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A Resolution to 720p vs 1080p - [Gamertag Radio]

This week on Gamertag Radio:

*Episode #408 - A Resolution to 720p vs 1080p roundtable discussion
*Industry behind the scenes drama
*Forza 5, Ryse Son of Rome and Dead Rising 3 Install Size Revealed
*Fanmail
*Custom Soundtrack of the week: Troubleneck Brothers - Back To The Hip Hop

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Enemy3835d ago

Xbox One's new year's resolution is 720p. What's yours?

NukaCola3835d ago

"Ryse does 900."

So did Tony Hawk. ... In 1997. :P

BBBirdistheWord3835d ago

WiiU has the most 1080p titles.

If that were the sole criteria, the wii U would be selling like hotcakes.

In practice thought, the number of 1080p titles on WiiU has not made one scrap of difference to actual sales.

Looks like there is a bit more to it than just 1080p..

Enemy3835d ago

^ Not really saying much considering Wii U's graphics, lol.

Nitrowolf23835d ago (Edited 3835d ago )

@BB
The Wii U isn't selling because people don't have interest in it. It's basically a PS3/Xbox 360 with a slight increase to graphics and can do 1080P. You look at the Ps4/X1 and the clear difference in GFX and performance is clear.

@below

Look at the title thought that everyone is fighting with for resolution...

COD isn't exactly a game known for pushing boundaries, and the fact that it looks like a last gen title on next gen should tell you soemething when one of the consoles are rumored to run at a lower resoltion for such a title. Either way, ur point stands

BBBirdistheWord3835d ago (Edited 3835d ago )

@ ^^

so you guys agree that 1080p by itself means not much at all?

Cool.

So we are basically agreed that a game running at 720p or 900p on XBO can look better than a game running at 1080p on another platform and that 1080p in and of itself means not much at all without taking into account a host of other factors.

Even a game running at 720p which is upscaled to 1080p can look better than a game that is 1080p native.

All I am saying is that many people on here carry on about 1080p like it's the holy grail, when in fact it's all subjective.

I am glad that has finally been established.

Flutterby3835d ago

@BBB

Your whole point makes no sense the wiiu is vastly lower powered compared to next gen consoles so 1080p would still look worse than the xbone , but the ps4 has more power than the xbone so better performance plus better graphics.

MysticStrummer3835d ago (Edited 3835d ago )

@Bird - If you want to completely ignore the point, that's your business.

This isn't a case of one game being 1080p and another game being 720p, upscaled or not. This is THE EXACT SAME GAME on two next gen systems. One of those systems has been rumored to be more powerful than the other, but the other's defenders say it ain't so. They say the two systems are pretty even in the power department. This resolution stuff, if it's true, would suggest otherwise.

Comparing art styles for Gears of War and Killzone is a subjective argument. Comparing the resolution of the same game on two different about to be released next gen consoles is not.

wsoutlaw873834d ago

ya like mystic is saying you cant bring up wii u because you cant compare the two. However you can directly compare the ports of the same game. on PS4 its running at 1080 on xb1 its less (if true)

NewMonday3834d ago

@BBBirdistheWord

MysticStrummer summed it up well

most of us know about the issues of 1080p/graphics intensity and how they relate to technical specs, so you wont get a lot of mileage from the WiiU argument.

PopRocks3593834d ago (Edited 3834d ago )

@newmonday

Then maybe people should stop complaining and warring against each other over resolutions like everyone in this community was right up until someone suggested Wii U had more 1080p/60FPS titles than Xbox One and PS4.

If it's not about resolutions and framerates as you are saying then people should not be talking about that at all.

UltimateMaster3834d ago

If one console can run a game at 1080p 60fps when the other can only do 720p 30fps, that says a lot.
It basically tells you which console is stronger, which one can have better graphics and games from 1st and 3rd party developers.

Fanboy: "SD is the futurz!"

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aceitman3835d ago

bottom line some games are better looking in 1080p with sharper graphics . it was a big deal that ms had the 360 games upscale in 1080p while the ps3 had 720p. and people compared them to each other saying the 360 looked sharper . now its reversed its not a big deal what the hell give sony there props .and give ms the bs sony had this gen.

Pope_Kaz_Hirai_II3835d ago (Edited 3835d ago )

Wow 720p... welcome to the year 2000 i would have to go down about 13 resolution settings to play at that on my 30" monitor but hey 720p is unacceptable in any walk of life and especially if you are forking out 500$ + extras... People need to realise ancient cards can piss 720p

http://www.novatech.co.uk/p...

Lol that card probably could.

@Enemy + bub for funny btw.

UltimateMaster3834d ago

My PC >>>>> Xbox One
PS4 will do 1080p as a standard and anything below that is not a true next-gen system.
Just a cash gimmick.
500$ + Batteries & charger 25$ since it's not included with the system. + 25$ for headset adapter because your 360 headset won't work with your Xbox One.
Did I mention it's an inferior system too?

BTBuck13835d ago

Soon as I heard the guy say "720 vs 1080 is negligible in a game" i stopped listening. Idiots... if it doesn't matter, why even make new consoles... let's just all go down to 480p then so we can get ridiculous frame rates... STFU get outta here with this "good enough" crap! If it was good enough we wouldn't care about new consoles!

Maxor3835d ago

720p absolutely need to die. The entire point of this generation is that we can finally enjoy our games in 1080p without compromise. Stop settling already and start expecting the kind of performance we deserve.

UltimateMaster3834d ago (Edited 3834d ago )

@BTBuck1
"SD is the future!"/s
Forget 4k and 8k resolution, we want antiquity.
Black and White TVs is the new trend!/s

Blackdeath_6633834d ago (Edited 3834d ago )

i was amazed at the people defending 30FPS with baseless argument like "its not even needed" and that "cinema has been using 25fps for years just" (lol wut?) but i am truly bewildered that here we are going into next gen and people are just fine and even defending 720p. these people should just keep their ps3 and 360s imo.

wsoutlaw873834d ago

the same guy that said he did care about graphics when on to say the second he gets his xb1 he was completely done with this gen. He said he doesnt care about GT6 or Dark souls 2, so he obviously cares about graphics and not just gameplay when it comes to the xb1 graphics for some reason.

bleedsoe9mm3835d ago

just curious , would everyone rather
1080p 30Fps or 720p 60Fps

UltimateMaster3834d ago (Edited 3834d ago )

It reminds me, they said the next Halo was going to be 60fps. But nobody mentioned anything about resolution.

Markissluv3834d ago

Very true. A game like Dead Space could easily get away with a steady 30fps at 1080p. It's more of a cinematic experience. Something like Battlefield or COD seems to benefit from 60fps.

christocolus3835d ago

listening to the podcast..so far so good..in the end lets see if sales of cod will bomb on xbx one due to it being 720p ...if it doesnt then it will only mean that most gamers do not care about all that crap about resolutions.

Finalfantasykid3835d ago (Edited 3835d ago )

Oops wrong reply

annus3835d ago

As much as I hate associating with the words 'hardcore' and 'casual', the majority of CoD players truly are casual players. They more than likely do not follow CoD at all, apart from watching gameplay, and probably don't even know what 720p means. It's like saying new technology isn't needed because your grandma can read her emails on her computer from 2000.

nolifeking3835d ago (Edited 3835d ago )

@bleed
1080p@60fps??

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv721d 5h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle16h ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic188114h ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio13h ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Lightning778h ago

What he said was facts. How he plays games is no concern of you. Don't get too mad about it.

Cacabunga16h ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

darthv722h ago

to you it may seem like the minority... but your bubble is shrinking because more and more are following suit. convenience is a hell of a drug and its also why physical sales only amount to 30% of overall game sales. times are changing, you either get with them or you get left behind.

shinoff218315h ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga14h ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

itsmebryan10h ago

@shin
Well keep it simple Sony 's operating income is down 26% and Microsoft's is up 32%. No MS spin there, just facts. 😉
Cheers

S2Killinit3h ago

MS is after diminishing consoles as a medium. They want to destroy this market because they couldnt win. MS’s vision is to dissolve console gaming.

romulus239h ago

Odd that a company that touts you dont need the hardware to play is already touting another console in the works.

darthv728h ago

They are not reliant on the HW but still want to maintain a presence (no matter how small) is a good thing. It shows commitment to the craft. It reminds me of SNK and how they made games for their own hardware (Neo Geo) while also making them for others because they knew there was a market to do so. They knew they would sell more to others but also sell to their own niche fan base.

TheEroica2h ago(Edited 2h ago)

Perfectly reasonable post down voted by insecure corporation friendly folk.... But not gamers. Real gamer want accessibility and ease of acquisition for all.... Company shills are the only ones still telling us that hardware locking people from games is good for us.

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purple10119h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos18h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

DOMination-8h ago

In the last two years they've started exiting the consumer market altogether. All of the newest Surface products are business models only. They can't seem to work out what they want to do with it.

XBManiac17h ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad17h ago(Edited 17h ago)

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple10117h ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos16h ago(Edited 16h ago)

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic15h ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

MrDead8h ago

The only growth MS will get out of the console industry is if it supports it's rivals platforms. Xbox is a pointless machine now. I can see them on a big push for live next, and they won't give up on trying to buy Steam.

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere2d ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN1d 23h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos1d 21h ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

GamerRN1d 14h ago

They can form a company if they want, they are just as jobless as if "Microsoft had left them as 3rd party".

peppeaccardo1d 16h ago

"MIcrosoft leaves Bethesda do what they know how to do best" ... close! Oh the irony ....
(Citation from a week old article)

ChasterMies1d 12h ago

I think Microsoft and other game publishers are letting people go because they think ai will replace them. Doesn’t matter how much profit they make. They were always going to be let go.

PassNextquestion2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger1d 23h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Mr Logic1d 9h ago

What a stupid thing to say. The elites give 0 fucks what we say on an obscure website in the comments section.

Crows901d 9h ago

You can always reach out and give them jobs at your company man. Don't wait

blacktiger6h ago

You own nothing snd be happy. I'm sure you heard that

Profchaos2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto2d ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos2d ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long1d 22h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel2d ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos1d 22h ago (Edited 1d 22h ago )

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator1d 23h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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PlayStation Doesn't Need a Dedicated PC Store Launcher

With all the PlayStation games that are now coming to PC, is it time for Sony to release a dedicated PC launcher?

thorstein6d ago

No, and they already solved any need with the overlay that's coming.

Vits6d ago

Unless they are trying to kill their recently created PC business, I would advise against opening a dedicated PC store. It's an extremely hard endeavor, and people, in general, are very comfortable with Steam. Even Epic, with their billions of dollars invested, is still struggling to find a foothold, and they have Fortnite.

just_looken4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Money is one thing security is another but again millions have 0 knowledge past 2020.

Epic store for years struggled with a shopping cart/account theft/credit card theft

Rockstar launcher/store to this day over 5 years later still has horrific user interface security flaws lost account's and stolen CC

Then you got that activision need phone number oh we lost it launcher

The crown jewel is the ea launcher/store ea app 3 yrs old still has hundreds of threads were people lost games/accounts/game access or just straight up crashes.

Edit" Oh ubi launcher were you buy a game that may or may not be there again or work and the launcher 5yrs old still has no 4K support if you launch it on a 4k screen there is a high chance it will just crash.

ocelot075d ago

Can tell who ever put this together is not all that clued up on pc gaming.

It's just a known fact. The PC gaming community prefer Steam and Steam alone. They don't like different launchers. I personally don't mind them. But majority just stick with steam. Hence why EA and Ubisoft went back to on releasing on steam and why Microsoft release games on steam as people hated buying from the windows store.

The only other launchers that I imagine are doing ok is GOG due to being drm free and epic games due to the free games every week. Sony shouldn't release any sort of pc launcher n

Nitrowolf25d ago (Edited 5d ago )

It literally says in the OP that PC gamers don't like multiple launchers lol. It even mentions Steam being the go to for gamers

Tacoboto5d ago

Title: "PlayStation Doesn't Need a Dedicated PC Store Launcher"

N4G: "Can tell who ever put this together is not all that clued up on pc gaming"

When you don't even read the headline...

ocelot075d ago

I read it and had a brain fart. As read the title then this "With all the PlayStation games that are now coming to PC, is it time for Sony to release a dedicated PC launcher?"

So I hold my hands up on that mistake. Rest of my comment still stands.

Giblet_Head4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Steam and GOG are highly preferred because of the rich feature set. Ubisoft, Rockstar, EA, Epic etc have all set a precedent over the years for customers to instinctively expect individual publisher launchers to be so extremely half-assed that the majority simply don't want to bother dealing with what is almost an inevitable disappointment by comparison to Steam or GOG. Those publishers and their inaction or general disinterest to improve have effectively ruined any future adoption to be taken seriously.

Einhander19725d ago (Edited 5d ago )

This is just another ridiculous double standard article.

It's like how Microsoft can spend 20 years of making nothing but gaas and live service style games to sell microtransactions, dlc and subscriptions and get praise for doing it, but if Sony wants to make a single game like that every website under the sun is writing articles saying how Sony is anti-consumer or whatever.

derek5d ago

Yep, huge double standard look at the tortured reaction to the ps5pro, websites hyperventilating like Sony is forcing people to buy it.

just_looken4d ago

Wait my xbox from 2004 has avengers gaas on it? wow your so smart

m$ Gaas started with the other companies like sony

Gamepass yes they are deep into that but its still a huge money saver sense you do not own your games then get a service like that.

Now there pc xbox launcher that is trash for years now

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