Xbox One Less Powerful than Even Microsoft Thought? Ryse Obviously Ran on PC at E3

Apparently Xbox One is less powerful than what even Microsoft thought! Not only the recent surge of downgrades show Xbox One's real power but it also proves beyond a shadow of doubt that Ryse ran on a PC at E3.

[ape007]

it might be a downgrade or a "re balance" as the developer said

but i don't know if he says the truth or simply damage controlling

anyways, 85K polygons is still freakin phenomenal

[xharrypotterx]

Triangles not Polys. 85k tri would be around 21k Polys. Not Impressive.... now 150k Triangles....

[DamntaionEternal]

Yea exactly. No only did they cut the Wow factor by half, they downgraded from 1080p to 900p

[ape007]

in engineering, a triangle is a polygon

[SephirothX21]

In DirectX 11, all polygons are triangles so yes each model has 85k polys. Voxels are not supported. I know this because I'm writing a game engine using DirectX 11.

[a08andan]

A polygon is a figure that has 3 corners or more. Poly stands for multiple and gon, I guess that stands for corners. So technically you can say triangles and polygons to describe the same thing, however a triangle is the smallest possible polygon.

Edit: A circle isn't really round. Its just a polygon with an practically infinite numbers of corners. So that would be the "largest" polygon possible.

[LolololRumz]

85k tris is 42k polys
A tri is 3 sides and a poly is generally 4 sides however some people class tris as apart of the poly count.

The character can still look as good as before depending on how well the textures/normal maps are, but still for this generation I'd expect a little more on main characters

[Winter47th]

a console that will last 10 years my ass developers already downscaling their games.

[ChrisW]

Are we taking some Tweet from a guy in Pakistan seriously?!?

[annus]

How are you people getting these numbers? That's not how meshes work. A triangle is a polygon.

What is the poly count of a single triangle in a 3D world? The answer is one. If you said some stupid number like 1/2 or 1/4th or anything else other than one you need to stop giving advice.

A polygon by definition is something that consists of three or more edges, whatever your high school teacher taught you is wrong.

From a rendering point of view you cannot turn two triangles into a single four sided polygon if they bend different ways.

Go read this and get educated before you start spouting your bullshit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

[Eonjay]

I don't think Microsoft was ready for E3 at all. Obviously the games were on PC. Its funny how Digital Foundry did a report afterwards and came to the conclusion that everything was running at 1080p and solid 60FPS. This is a bit deceiving. They could have saved alot of face by presenting their games at spec. That way they wouldn't look so bad in retrospect.

Honestly, I think they always knew what they could do with the hardware THEY built, but they didn't want to look bad compared to the competition.

[BallsEye]

Traingles = polygons. Now with that being said. If you would read cryteks statement, they did it so they can further improve other effects such as shadows. It's a tradeoff. Also you will see 0 difference in downgraded model, it's still highest poly model for a character made in game, and as other slides state, NPC's also are made same way.

Now here is an interesting pic, showing how much difference you will see.

http://www.cgexplorer.com/_...

Right model has HALF LESS verticles and it looks EXACTLY the same. Yey for normal maps. Now stop being so dramatic people, most of you have no idea how these things work, you just read numbers and think you are so smart.

[Freedomland]

Actually problem is not polycount but the problem is, why they did it in the first place like they showed titles using highend pc with nvidia cards, why? what's the catch?

Ryse has been in development for nearly 2 to 3 years now, why suddenly this move now just before the launch.

Why Microsoft a software giant couldn't able to fix the drivers or it's just an excuse.

Think and decide yourself.

[NatureOfLogic]

Rushed console ftl. They must have really fear Sony getting a headstart. I don't think MS is ready to release. They did survive a faulty Xbox 360 launch, so I don't think they're concerned at all. Xbox One buyers beware.

[MysticStrummer]

@BallsEye - "Traingles = polygons"

Yes and no. They're sort of the same thing, and one can be converted to the other, but the numbers aren't equivalent. Triangles are the smallest polygons, so triangle count is always higher than polygon count.

[annus]

You can't directly convert triangles to 'squares' though. A four sided polygon cannot curve, where as two tris can go separate ways.

Most modelling and game engines convert everything to tris anyway, so when Killzone devs talk polys they may very well be talking the same polys as Ryse devs.

[NoLongerHereCBA]

My friend, you are wrong on so many levels... It amazes me that you get more agrees than disagrees. People here are really pathetic.

85k polygons are just 85k triangles, since i doubt they use quads to depict the polycount. The way you are calculating is saying that they have tons of n-gons in their characters.

[AsimLeonheart]

@ChrisW

What do you mean by that!? Do you believe Pakistanis are subhuman or something? They cannot and should not be taken seriously? I am a Pakistani as well and most do not even know that because there is no difference. There are many highly educated, well-informed and accomplished Pakistanis that are better than you in every way. Pakistanis who speak English are usually highly educated and university graduates because average people do not know English. Get off your high horse and see humans as humans!

[nirwanda]

@harrypotter show me any dev that uses sqauares instaed of triangles.

[gaffyh]

@nirwanda - You can model an object in polygons (four sides+), and with the 3D software, automatically split these into triangles, and then make minor changes, although 3DS Max, and Maya will usually do the smoothing for you. So you could model a 40,000 poly object, and do the split, and it would create a 80k triangle object.

So technically polygons and triangles are NOT the same thing because a polygon has more than 3 sides, HOWEVER, it depends on what the developer themselves refers to the triangle as, as they might just prefer calling it a polygon.

I would guess that 85k is a triangle figure rather than a polygon figure. 150k seemed to be causing a lot of framerate issues for them so its probably a good thing that they dropped it down.

[LetoAtreides82]

@BallsEye, why in that picture are they zooming in on the vein on his arm, the least detailed aspect of the models? I can for example easily see that the left model has more detail on the 6 bullets strapped to his chest, you can see the circles in the center of the bottom portion of the bullets.

You can also easily see more detail on his elbow band on the left model, you see more vertical lines.

[starchild]

@gaffyh

So many of you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

A triangle IS a polygon. It is a three sided polygon, and it is really the only kind of polygon that modern game engines and game hardware works with.
http://wiki.polycount.com/P...

Artists will use quadrilaterals in modeling software because it is easier to model with quads, but it is always converted to triangles for use in engine.

When Guerrilla gave the presentation about their engine and one of the slides listed the poly count for the characters they were of course talking about the triangle count--the two terms are used interchangeably in the industry.

This was a presentation on their engine and of course they would give the poly count for characters as they appear in engine.

They aren't going to list the poly count of models in z-brush or whatever because its irrelevant to what gamers actually see or what the engine is actually working with.

Besides, why would any developer want to give out a smaller and less impressive number? Especially when the rest of the industry reports the poly count of characters as they appear in the game, not whatever it was in the modeling software.

[jetlian]

a polygon is an inclosed figure. 3 is the minimum amount of sides needed to make a polygon!

Dreamcast was the first console to use triangular polygons the second was xbox 360. nobody uses 4 sided polygons anymore

[DragonKnight]

Here's a question. Are any of you really going to notice the amount of triangles, squares, octagons, tetrahedrons, or trapeziums in the character?

[assdan]

If that's true, doesn't that means kz shadowfall's poly count completely destroy this game?

[stragomccloud]

Why are people making such a big deal about poly count? A good game is a good game. Graphics is nice icing on the cake, but first and foremost comes gameplay, story, and creativity, hand in hand.

[Feralkitsune]

This comment just proved that most of the fanboys blow steam out of their nostrils and spout false information.

[gaffyh]

@starchild - the link you posted proves that what I said is correct. A polygon IS NOT triangle, IT IS converted into a triangle by the game engine, which essentially splits it into two. I practically said the same thing you said in your post, but somehow you managed to think you said something different,

I'm NOT saying that triangles and polygons are completely different things, just that one has four sides, and one has three, simple. And as I said, the Devs probably are used to calling triangles polys, which is where the confusion arises.

I personally call a polygon a polygon, and a triangle a triangle, in my 3D models.

[P0werVR]

@stragomccloud

You know why? Simply because they have no clue what they are on about.

It's so obvious.

150k of polygons for a model was pretty much like, whoa! Now what are the trade-offs for that if it's just one character? And I was kind of iffy.

But now it's reduced to 85k, STILL it is heft amount of polygons for a model, and probably a finer experience overall for better graphics.

So this is nothing, I WANT MORE SP gameplay. Aren't we here for games?! If so, WTH are you guys complaining as if you know the hell your talking about?

EDIT:

Btw, this guy who wrote the article knows hell of what his talking about. Smart people would take this with a grain of salt and moved on...but you know how things turns out on this site.

Fanboys, yes annoying. But Sony fanboys?! Boy are they on another low level of stupidity. As a PC gamer, I can still remember in how PS3 was far superior than PC. I'm talking about moonshot claims. Just ridiculous.

[N4GDgAPc]

@gaffyh

You are wrong. Start any 3d modeling program and have the polygon count and triangle count on. You have 1 triangle and 1 quad.

Polygon = 2
triangle = 3

Now convert that to triangles

polygon = 3
triangle = 3

Game engines can't use quads so it converts all quads to tris.

If the game engine would allow quads the polygon count would be 2.

@Death below

Them crying about polys is kind of a joke. With a good artist your not going to see much of a difference between 150k tris to 85k tris.

The question that proves it was running on pc's in E3 if the game was running perfectly at 150k tris with 60fps and at 1080p then why did they have to downgrade it to 85k, 30fps, 900p? Its because it wasn't running on xbone. But developers do this all the time when they reveal a game and its not actual ingame. They make it more prettier than it looks. Touch up images of the game is done alot also.

[Death]

How people can say "rushed console" let alone write it is astounding. Both consoles have been in development for the same time. It's been almost 8 years since the last gen launched. If you consider the longest span in console history to be "rushed" something is seriously wrong with you.

Microsoft made the more technical console. Sony went with quick and simple with their approach. Both are based on the same AMD architecture. If you are still hung up on the high end PC's at e3, you have absolutely no clue how consoles and games are developed and should really keep quiet on the topic and maybe listen and learn. How many systems peak at launch? You guys are doing nothing for the industry with your constant spewing of bs. It's sad and insulting to the rest of us that atleast have a clue.

You want to do some good with your free time? Why not petition Sony to support Cerny's first attempt at a game system? It would be really nice tosee Sony acknowledge the Vita as something more than a remote for the PS4. Hands down most powerful handheld released. Worst support I have seen since the Virtual Boy. How is that not an issue?

[Gozer]

At 85k triangles, Ryse still has double the triangles of the character models in Killzone SF. So you sony fanboys might want to get your priorities straight.

Ryse is still the most graphically impressive next-gen title to date.

[marcofdeath]

People here's the problem with articles like this, the facts. This game was never 60 frames per second that's a fact. "Performance-wise, the target is 30fps,-"
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...
The developer never said triangles he said 85,000 polygons. This is another case of the PS4 not keeping up with this hardware if you remove moving the LODs that means your hardware is rendering each character at any 85,000 polygons per character. So that means that this hardware is rendering 2.5 times more polygons than PS4 that uses LODs so that it's hardware has a easier time rendering polygon characters. His original message is here. http://gearnuke.com/ryse-do...

[N4GDgAPc]

@marcofdeath

Killzone developers did say 40k polygons. Now there is some developers that say polygons they mean tris sometimes not. I do believe that 40k that was mentioned is in quads. So I believe its 80k. But will never know unless they say so.

[ChrisW]

@AsimLeonheart,

Wow... kudos for tossing in the race card. Should have expected it...

But since you state that you are Pakistani, then you know very well the ramifications for accessing "Anti-Islamic" material and understand the degree of difficulty that it takes for one to ascertain such information. With that in consideration, it's highly unlikely (IMO) that it's reliable information.

[Edit: Oh, and it's from a TWEET for "harām" sakes! A one and a half line tweet!!!]

[DragonKnight]

@Death: Both consoles have not been in development at the same time. PS4 began in 2007, Xbox One began in 2010.

[starchild]

@ gaffyh

"The two common measurements of a game character's 'cost' are polygon count and vertex count. Polygon is interchangeable with triangle in these measurements, as GPUs only see vertices and triangles, not 4+ sided polygons."

"When a game artist talks about the poly count of a model, they really mean the triangle count."

"When a model is exported to a game engine, the polygons are all converted into triangles automatically."

"Vertex count is ultimately more important for performance and memory than the triangle count, but for historical reasons artists more commonly use triangle count as a performance measurement."
http://wiki.polycount.com/P...

So why are you talking as if triangles aren't polygons and as if quadrilaterals are the only kind of polygon? In fact, triangles are the only kind of polygon really used in modern game engines.

And again, why would any developer choose to list the poly count from within modeling software before the quads are converted to tris when it is only going to make their numbers look far less impressive? (since the rest of the industry gives the polygon/triangle count for the final in-engine models).

I don't know why people fight so hard on this anyway. Both 40,000 and 85,000 polygons is a lot of polygons and with normal mapping and all the other techniques that are used you really aren't going to be able to likely see much difference either way. It's going to come down to the work of the artist, shaders and mapping techniques, lighting, and so on.

[callahan09]

@a08andan:
Well done, I assume you didn't look up the definitions because you said "you guess"... but you guessed absolutely right! Poly means many, gon means corner. Many corners, in greek.

By definition a circle is not a polygon. Polygons are made up of straight line segments. Curved lines cannot be part of a polygon. Polygons are 3+ sided figures of closed-circuit line segments.

[Mainsqueeze]

xharrypotterx has no idea wtf he is talking about yet he gets an "intelligent" bubble, haha thats n4g for you.

[scott182]

Every character in killzone sf has 40k polys, how many does every ryse character have? Plus it is semi open world with an insane amount of effects at one time and huge draw distance. And we haven't heard any updates on killzone in a while, things could have been changed for all we know. From the updated pictures the character models look much improved. The main character in ryse being twice the polys as every npc in SF doesn't mean the game is graphically superior at all. Also, when they talk about the 85k polys for the main character, are they talking at all times? They could very well be talking about when he does execution moves and the background becomes blurry.....

[N4GDgAPc]

@scott182
"Also, when they talk about the 85k polys for the main character, are they talking at all times?"

More likely yes. Probly do the same thing as uncharted 2. Drake was around 80k tris with no LOD. Drakes model was used as game and in-game cinematic. All other character models had different levels of LOD ranging 85,000k tris all the way down to 4,000 tris.

I expect Ryse will do the same.

[jmc8888]

@gozer

You are forgetting....

The Ryse figure is ONLY for the MAIN CHARACTER.

Not the OTHER NPC's which have substantially less. The people you are fighting will NOT have the same fidelity as you, the main character has.

So you are using the main character in Ryse and comparing it to the average NPC in KZ:SF. The two aren't the same.

The other Ryse NPC's will have a lot fewer than the main character.

How about comparing the average Ryse NPC versus average KZ:SF NPC?

You will probably get an answer which flips which one is on top. Besides of course the 1080p/60 difference.

As for gameplay, KZ:SF is a multiplayer shooter that would be a shock not to receive amazing reviews. As for Ryse, it will be shocking if it gets a 7 or 8 in reviews.

Not to mention Ryse has been in development years longer.

[shorty74a]

@ Death. Couldn't have said it better myself. This stuff only matters to Fanboys. I don't like to comment much on this site, but you nailed it. Great observation. I wonder why you got more dislikes than likes?

[scott182]

@N4GDgAPc

Holy cow, that's impressive for uncharted 2... That makes sense with the other characters having much less.

[ThanatosDMC]

But but... teh dev kits.

[kickerz]

Me - So what do u guys do for fun these days
N4G lads - we count polys. More = better.
Me - ya mum had a high poly count
N4G lads - (>_<)

[jetlian]

lol oh goodness now people thinking drake from uncharted had 80k polygons. The cutscene drake did not the ingame one.

people dont even know what polygons means or lod.Killzone at max lod has 40k meaning on close up aka cutscenes!

http://adam-fisher.devianta...

female kz sf character model you can clearly see triangles case closed

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
at 2:41 they show you how lods work

[Pogmathoin]

@ chris, yes of course, its something negative about MS.... If this was about a PS 4 game, they would have hunted him down by now and sorted him out....

[N4GDgAPc]

@jetlian

This is the artist from Naughty Dog that did character models. The images are not working on the first page but if you go down he explains how much polys it is on the 2nd page. And he is talking about quads because model he is showing is all in quads.

http://www.zbrushcentral.co...

"Drake however never gets LOD.. except for multiplayer.. "

"the models ranged a bit as well.. drake was around 37k .. chloe was at 45k at her highest... each level of LOD was cut in half with 3 different levels. lowest being around 2500 poly's..
"

And also read this were they officially said there were 80,000k tri characters.

http://www.psxextreme.com/p...

"Our characters they typically have eighty thousand polygons in you know, one character, like the main character. In total- what we try to push through to the graphics chip at one point two million triangles that we try to draw every frame. We do a lot using the cell processor."

[jetlian]

n4d they used 80k in cutscenes. also the 2 links are from 2 different people. one claims 37k as tops all the way down to 2.5k

he never mentions 80k at all. the second one is talking about the game in full. ng showed the rendering farm themselves

http://community.us.playsta...

if ps3 alone could do it why not use just 1. making a video is easier than rendering a game in real time.

next time you play uncharted when it goes from cutscenes to game you'll see the changes

[N4GDgAPc]

@jetlin

When you mention your poly count for portfolio you don't say poly count in tris. its in Quads. And didn't u read that Drake had no LOD model. They used the same model for cutscenes and in-game.

" but single player is the high resolution model the whole time.. same model that is in the cinematics."

The pics are down but the wireframe is shown in quads. It would probly be more in the 75k range for the character. When you model a character pretty much tris is unavoidable when modeling in quads.

[nypifisel]

This have to stop. As much as I hate RYSE cause it looks sucky there's one thing y'all have to understand: POLYGONS and TRIANGLES are the same thing.

[Daz]

85k with no loads is great

[gaelic_laoch]

M$ need to draw a line under raising exceptions of the xbone right now!

Gamers are a fickle bunch and will not tolerate being oversold an under developed piece of hardware!

[donman1]

XboxOne is $100 more and everything leads to the obvious that its inferior to the PS4. Plus, since E3 and to this day Microsoft is still in damage control because they continue to set an expectation that the XboxOne cannot live up to.

[ape007]

^^^^^^^

hmmmm ryse look waaay better the last deep down, the differences between the two screen are nothing, deep down was massively downgraded since the E3 trailer

blind fanboys as always

[Pogmathoin]

We are blind, and fickle as gaelic said.... I would gladly spread my legs for whatever sony offers....

[Irishguy95]

Thought it as the drivers that weren't up to date? There is no reason at all hardware wise that the X1 is 'THIS' much worse than the Ps4.

[GamerzElite]

Poor Microsoft..

[jocomat9]

poor microsoft??? Poor consumers... . who are falling for it

[Apex13]

Not when it was a 120-140. Smoke screens and awful communication has seriously put me off Xbox. Not only that, but they are not even focused on gamers.

[TheOneEyedHound]

Hey remember when Ryse was being compared to KZ:SF & Deep Down? Lol, what a joke huh?

No longer 1080p, lost about half it's polygons, the gameplay is one of the worst I've ever seen, QTE. I can't take M$ serious, not even with the 360.

[BallsEye]

And still even NPC's in ryse got 2x more polys and few times the joints as main characters in KZ. Deep down? Are you seriously comparing that first Target Render? Please don't make me link you the newest gameplay. It looks nothing like the first trailer. If you believe DD will look like on e3 render, you are putting yourself up for a big let down. As good as the game is, the visuals are not on par with Ryse. Now let the disagrees from sheep rain fdown on me.

[4Sh0w]

Ryse still beat KZ SF poly/triangle count by more than double. Ryse has much higher detail NPC than KZ and overall its graphics still look better than KZ if we're comparing.

[DarkHeroZX]

@Balls eye

The disagrees will come only because your wrong lol. First off only the main character in Ryse has a 85k triangle count. Secondly while a polygon and a triangle are almost the same thing, they are still different. Triangles are the smallest polygon. It just meets the bare minimum of what a Polygon is. I'm pretty sure if GG told us how many triangles they had for that standard soldier model, wasn't even a main character which always has a higher poly count, then it would be close to around 85k as well. I mean look at the level of detail in character models between KZ and Ryse. On virtually all accounts KZ has more detail but the game is also much more open and has more going on than Rise does. It also runs at full 1080p with 60fps on multiplayer and a stable 30fps with single. Ryse is not on the same technical level as Killzone.

[jetlian]

dark your wrong. fps dont have main characters except in cutscene form. All your seeing from the main character is the gun and hands!

actual ryse by design is on a higher tech level. action games require more memory than shooters. Action games have far more animation sets.

[bumnut]

I thought it looked ok, maybe too many QTE's but I liked the look of it.

If it was running on PC as claimed, hopefully it will release on PC.

[Idba]

@ballsEye You know almost every company makes a CG trailer for their games, DR3's first trailer was CG

[Brix90]

@BallsEye

Since when does a FPS need more polys when you don't really see the main character anyway lol.

Nothing against the Xbox console but Ryse looks dull. Of course I'm just speaking off what I've seen.

[AsimLeonheart]

Deleted comment.

Sorry, replied to the wrong person.

[harrisk954]

@ape007

"freakin phenomenal"....

Maybe phenomenally underwhelming... I posted this yesterday in response to another article... this is what Game Informer had to say about Ryse in its Preview section this month...

QUOTE: "Interactions with my co-op partner were limited. If one player dies, the other can revive them, and weakening foes together softens them up for faster executions. Performing executions activates perks and earns XP. During the more frantic fights I noticed problems with Ryse’s zoomed-in third-person camera involving the player character obscures the action. Hit detection was also off. I swung my sword at enemies that were nowhere near me and was surprised to see the attacks register. Enemies also tend to clip through objects in the environment during the slow motion executions, which strips the moment of drama. This is an early version of the Xbox One launch game, but I’m a little worried given how close we are to the console’s release."

Yeah, phenomenal...

[4Sh0w]

"I posted this yesterday in response to another article... this is what Game Informer had to say about Ryse in its Preview section this month..." 

"this month..." ?

No that was in fact from over a month ago on Aug 20th not this month like you said and thats why haters like you dont include links so they can spew misinformation because we know Ryse has been constantly improved in regards to the combat and animation. Proof with that exact same qoute dated Aug 20th is here:
http://www.gameinformer.com...

Any questions?

This is from a later build posted 6 days ago:

"Look, I’ve talked a lot of trash about this game. I’m sorry. I take it back. Partially. Maybe. I played Ryse: Son of Rome’s multiplayer for a bit and walked away hopeful and optimistic. Maybe even a little in love. It’s that the controls are so smooth that performing something as awesome as “attack a guy in front of you and defend from the one behind you,” is as intuitive and seamless as simply pressing forward and X to then press back and A. What comes is a badass motion where you shield bash the guy behind you for even attempting to attack you. The QTEs that plagued the initial presentation we saw for Ryse: Son of Rome are now gone and replaced with something that disrupts the experience a little less. If you attack an enemy enough, they’ll have a skull above their heads signifying you can finish them off with a QTE sequence. They’re not every five minutes and as annoying as that presentation had made them seem." 
http://n4g.com/news/1359548...

You may recall that in my Deep Down preview earlier this week, I described the combat as "clunky". Thankfully, there's none of that to be had in Ryse, as combos flowed naturally, the control scheme felt great, and the combat was nice and smooth.

"The simple light attack, light attack, heavy attack combo that is present in just about every action RPG ever served me quite well, but I was able to easily experiment with dodges, blocks, and special attacks to vary up the combat. Pulling off combos feels good, and rewarding, without being overly punishing if you mess up. Anyone who has ever played God of War will feel right at home."
http://www.escapistmagazine...

See how nice it is to verify things with links?

I know you tried hard to bash this game with older criticism thats been fixed, next time at least be accurate with facts, use links and don't change facts or key info because clearly you only looked for old criticism in old previews vs new previews showing how much the game has improved.

[christocolus]

i stopped reading at some point.cos i felt some bias from the writer..when did gamers start couting triangles and ploygons.the game still looks amazing and will sell loads...

[miDnIghtEr20C_SfF]

When did 15 year old kids start writing this crap and getting approved on here? This kid has no proof for his claims.

[sak500]

as paki myself i apologize for this article which is being written by a sony loyalist and only approved by SDF members.

SDF are so desperate that they are just posting random postings by fanboys as articles on N4G. Any random dude can write POS about MS and it'll be posted as news.

I'm glad i moved out of pakistan long back and hope to never return to that country.

[christocolus]

sorry for double post

[christocolus]

again?i give up....this tab is crazy...sorry again

[starchild]

Sheesh, what passes for "journalism" these days...

Crytek didn't say their GAME had been downgraded (which is what was dishonestly reported), all they said was the main character's poly count had been lowered as a trade off to improve other areas of the game.

It is exactly the opposite of a downgrade. It is what happens during all game development: games get balanced and fine tuned and trade offs are made to achieve a greater overall visual presentation.

[larrysdirtydrawss]

is that what happened here though?,the textures on the armor are almost non existent now,and that goes along with the huge loss of polys and already being only 900p.. whats next to get cut?

[otherZinc]

Lol at these articles.

Killzone:SF is a game that's going basic:
"No" Champaign Co-op in your flagship shooter!
Charging extra for "Arena" co-op online only as a future download.
Elite shooters have done this 10 years ago.
Killzone is basic and featureless.
And it doesn't run 1080p "native" @ 60fps, with the omission of expected features.

When is a PS4 title going to demonstrate some of this power in any of their exclusive titles that people are being so critical of M$ of?

At least M$ is showing XBOX ONE muscle with its flagship launch exclusive Forza 5 with 1080p "native" 60fps performance.

Explain that.

[strickers]

You usually pay extra for champaign co op. Its much better than Cava. :-)

[strickers]

I've seen Killzone running with my own eyes. Best looking launch game by far......and that's just the multiplayer graphics

[strickers]

Forza does not look any better Driveclub and does not have Killzone wow factor at all. I've actually seen both, so I'm not basing it on bull shots or YouTube.

[Hicken]

Deflect, deflect, deflect.

Ten years ago, there was hardly any online play in most shooters, unless it was on PC. Kinda reflective of your overall ignorance on the subject.

Killzone runs at different framerates for single and multiplayer. Regardless of which one, both are native 1080p, though only the multiplayer is running 60fps. And with all the particle effects and everything going on, that's more than impressive, and something no other shooter on next-gen can boast.

Meanwhile, Forza's running 1080p and 60fps, and it's doing NOTHING it didn't do in the last entry. It's got not nearly as much going on as Drive Club, to say nothing of Killzone.

And, at the same time, the XB1 isn't even capable of running Killer Instinct in 1080p. What kinda muscle can't even pull that off?

[Death]

@Hicken

Ten years ago, Xbox fans were enjoying Halo online over Xbox Live with a mandatory broadband connection.

Ten years ago PS2 fans could purhase Sony's Network Adaptor if they had the right model PS2 that supported it. With the Network Adaptor you could play online with dialup or broadband with games that supported network play.

So you are almost correct. Ten years ago there was hardly online play with shooters unless you had an Xbox or PC. Kinda reflective of your overall ignorance on the subject.

As for Killzone, it is a very impressive looking game. 30fps in single player with all effects, 60fps "most of the time" in multiplayer with reduced effects. Both at 1080p natively. I'm not sure about your "only" claim for next gen though since it's a bit early to tell. I kinda doubt either system has peaked before release.

[larrysdirtydrawss]

ya and forza is cutting just about every corner you can think of by doing that...the graphics are meh imo.

[red_HULK]

Its very misleading. I was impressed at e3 and I heard that most xbone games were on high end pcs...? Credibility is gone. Ps4 and either steam box or gaming PC.

[shutUpAndTakeMyMoney]

$500 lol sure MS sure.

[bumnut]

Down to one bubble, no one to blame but yourself!

[GraveLord]

LOL polygons. Who the **** cares? Games aren't about polygons. They're about overall graphical fidelity, fun gameplay and of course story.

Ryse went from 1080p to 900p. If that doesn't sound a HUGE alarm in your head, get out of Microsofts donkey-butt. This thing is severely underpowered and time you just embrace it.

[kingduqc]

Meanwhile star citizen offer over 18 000 000 poly count on screen.

[HellaWasted]

@ChrisW

I'm a Pakistani. College graduate, former law school student, and currently a medical school student. I didn't get into medical school being dumb, or via luck! So, what's your point about pointing out that the author is from Pakistan?

[Ben12]

I'm really getting sick of this crap. I might just cancel my pre order for Xbox one. Hey Microsoft you just lost another die hard xboxer. Thank god I pre ordered ps4 to. Please get your facts straight Microsoft. You should have waited and brought out something more powerfull. All this downgrading and driver issues man what is wrong. I am seriously disappointed you went from xbox360 to xbox360.5 aaaaaahhhhhh! Why are you letting us down damnit.

[larrysdirtydrawss]

ya thats just for the main character,,the rest of the scene is lacking,and you can see it imo

[kevnb]

its those awesome amd jaguar chips!

[DialgaMarine]

If I'm not mistaken, Uncharted 3 and The Last of Us used character models with around 30K polygons. 85K really isn't that great when it's not even 3X times more than last gen hardware. -.-

[Carthage]

Sad.... i dont know, but seriously running on PC was retarded lol

[devwan]

I said back when they were announced - the upclocks on GPU and CPU for xbox one were not to try to catch up to the ps4 - they were simply to try to help devs match what they'd already promised with unrealistic "target hardware" demos.

I used to think all the talk of "smoke and mirrors" regarding microsoft was probably taking things a little too far, but no, the way things are panning out, it seems microsoft have been purposefully deceitful in over-stating the console's performance.

It still remains to be seen what the real-world performance of games will be when other "apps" are running alongside/snapped/whatever... the fact this have not been shown so far with one of the top games in a real world situation is alarming.

[thehitman]

I doubt the games will take performance hits with apps since MS has 8g of DDR3 which is basically for running applications. The problem with that however is that the games dont have the bandwidth to push high res textures through the DDR3 which is why you have games at like 900p. DDR3 is NOT good enough for true HD games running at 1080p what MS was thinking not even adding in 1g of DDR5 is beyond me. 512mb of DDR5 can produce on average 5-10 FPS higher than 1g of DDR3 just for those who want to know the performance differential which is substantial.

[Tooly]

This is article has a reasonable argument i agree.

[JimmyLmao]

Xbox One's hidden dGPU. So secret that even Microsoft can't find it!

[codelyoko]

lol

[pyramidshead]

lol the new deluded fanboy wetdream conspiracy by misterx is now that the xbox one GPU is a heavily modified R9 280x from the new AMD series.
NDA has been extended for 3 more months now, so that's one month after launch as well. Conveniently we won't be hearing anything on the 30th.(what a surprise right? /s)
Not to mention the secret sauce post about how it is said be hidden for an extra year and microsoft won't talk about it. (even though how they'll keep that quiet after launch when people will be able to physically dismantle it LOL)

Another fail and another excuse, his insider's credibility has ventured into minus figures. :P
<sigh>

[FlunkinMonkey]

haha.. that's hilarious, but also a shame.. I'd been taking multiple screen shots of people's comments on these NDA myths, ready to make people eat humble pie on the 30th.

[mkis007]

Dude...that is so sad. Have rumor? Check MisterX, if it's there it is false.

OT: While I agree trade ups can be good, I have to wonder exactly when they made this decision and why if it was indeed after E3 or gamescom. Those GTX Titans were certainly odd. I really want to know why they didnt have an ATI card in there at the very least.

[cabbitwithscissors]

Seriously ? Man, that guy needs to get his head checked out.

[SniperControl]

Why would MS withhold vital tech from devs due to a NDA???
I understand a NDA for the general public, not their own devs..
Some xboys are just to dumb to think that.

[Insomnia_84]

LOL

+1!

[firelogic]

Don't worry. Once they activate the much vaunted "power of the cloud," they'll have Ryse running in 4k at 120fps locked with over 1000 enemies on screen and every lighting and particle effect known to mankind filling the screen.

[madpuppy]

the problem is that MS haven't figured out how to stop "cloud blowback" you see, while the graphics look better and the game can now run at 10 times faster and more powerful this "cloud blowback" obscures the screen with hazy white fog till you cannot see anything. after a while the Xbone console gets so inundated with precipitation that it needs to be sent in for service and to get all the moisture out of the bluray drive.

[Insomnia_84]

Oh f*k! PS4 is doomed!

XBone's hidden powers combined will definitely kill the PS4.

Microsoft is hilarious!

[red_HULK]

awesome. I bubbled u up.

[mafia_pc]

bullshit, the e3 demo doesn't run at 60fps and Ryse polygon downgrade is for optimisation for better skin shader,lightning ...

for exemple, old build with 150k polygon :
http://images.vg247.com/cur...

and new buld with 85k polygon and better skin shader, texture and lightning :
http://i.imgur.com/9mV8V6c....

it's a massive upgrade

[Tooly]

but if the xbox is so powerful it wouldn't need that, it could keep its 150k triangles and have better skin shaders. that nda is goinq to disappoint. The sad part is that it was only 1 character with 150k triangles and it still couldn't handle that.

[codelyoko]

Exactly, and imo, the 150k screen looks way better.

[Daz]

Yeah but what if you can get the same looking character with less polys and looking just and good if not better then the 150k model and use them somewhere else like on the environment more characters on screen or something would that be better?
Also no lods with the 85k version

Balance LOL
Also guy above me saying the old pic looks way better are you blind?

THere is such thing has optimizing.
http://i.minus.com/ibweIYsu...

[mkis007]

@ DAz To me the skin may look a bit better but the armor and overall picture looks , to me, blurrier.

[KUV1977]

The reason it looks blurrier ist that the second image is captured from a trailer. I think the second one looks way better and no LOD is great. Still buying no X-Box but Ryse looks pretty... even in 900p with half-poly-chars. Also people have said that the gameplay seems a lot better than it appeared in first presentations.

[Golden_Mud]

That needs high specs to apply both , not even the PS4 can do that

[Daz]

Some people go down the root of saying its photo shopped or something.

Its from the twitch stream
http://www.twitch.tv/dice/b...
http://i.imgur.com/sh1hOGt....

[black0o]

that all thx to the power of photoshop:

http://n4g.com/news/1355467...

[Daz]

You keep using the old pic also i also post this becuase it not photshopped version lol
http://images.vg247.com/cur...

Wheres the new build photoshopped then? come on show it? Or maybe it just a better looking game now?

[Sharius]

yeah, they dowgrade it to 85k tris so they can run this game with photoshop right?

[Kayant]

In video format (Not the best because it's youtube but you can see that it's the updated build the armour changes match the pic)...

E3 ---> http://www.youtube.com/watc...

New build --> http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Also keep in mind new build is also available in 1080p.

Decide what's better.

[Ko_Uraki]

People are here to bash MS and the XBox one. They are not interested at all in what you say. Even if you say the truth.

[TheRealHeisenberg]

Absolute truth in your comment. Very sad lives they have...very sad.

[Sephiroushin]

@ TheRealHeisenberg

Your life and mostly everybodies life must be sad then, because you're always talking about "sony fanboys", "sony trolls" this and that; haven't you see the amount of "xbox/nintendo/pc trolls" like you said on Sony's/Nintendos/pc articles?! Its the same everywhere, "next gen" of a product is almost there so there'll be always war on anything, iOS vs Android, N vs MS vs Sony, and so on ...
Anyways, I'll leave with this, a Spanish proverb: "Do not throw stones at the neighbor if your roof is made of glass"

[TheRealHeisenberg]

@ Sephiroushin

Even though I absolutely can't stand Sony fanboys/trolls, that Spanish proverb does not apply to me. I love my Playstation gaming systems but I don't go around trashing other platforms.

I'm calling it like I see it the overwhelming majority of the time here on N4G. It is funny how you say it is the same everywhere. Take off your blinders or you can keep justifying this foolishness however you see fit.

I would like N4G to be a place for real gaming information w/o all of the BS. Obviously N4G does not want that.

[BlueBlood17]

The weather effects are much nicer, however the downgrade in resolution is VERY noticeable.

[DarkHeroZX]

Lol notice how the arm is cut out on the 85k model and the only thing that changed was the lighting? Hmmm.

[Idba]

Worse lighting, the color is wayyy more matt but there's more details in the picture tho

[THC CELL]

Xbox has been maxed out when developer need to make cuts

[byeGollum]

I love how these sites feed off fanboys stupidity. Everyone's gotta eat I guess :)

[solar]

I've always been told graphics dont matter from the console fanboys. Seem to be all in a tizzy now

[byeGollum]

they're a lost cause ^_^. .

[drsfinest72]

Such a troll article lol

[pyramidshead]

lol :)

[Megaton]

Who cares if it looks worse? It's not like it ever looked fun to play, either. Just a little less polish on this turd is all. Buy Forza or Dead Rising 3. Skip Crytek's latest shot at mediocrity.

[Hercules189]

So games that score in the 80's are mediocre now, I never knew that.

[jmc8888]

You've seen a scored review of Ryse? If that's the case who won the Thanksgiving football games?

From the impressions of people playing the gaming not regarding graphics it seems like this game will score in the 5-7 range. I'm sure some will score it higher and lower, but I expect the overall averaged score to be about a 6.

[Hercules189]

All im saying is that every game crytek has made has been rated above mediocre scores. Now if you want mediocre look at killzone thats a game with all graphics and terrible gameplay. played killzone 2 didnt mind the weightiness but hated the maps and gameplay, too much spawn killing.

[Double_O_Revan]

Why didn't Teh Powah of da Cloud pick up the extra work needed?

[SugarSoSweet]

LOL and we have to have this console for 10 years and it's already struggling to keep up with developer demands

[cunnilumpkin]

kinda like how deep down went from this;

http://for-ps4.com/wp-conte...
https://www.google.com/sear...
to this;

http://gameinsider.fr/wp-co...

http://gameinsider.fr/wp-co...

oh wait, that's like a 10x worse downgrade than ryse

[drsfinest72]

Oh shit that's bad. Lol

[THC CELL]

Pre alpha vs target.

[ape007]

nope they said the old footage was running on ps4

[nolifeking]

This post reeks agenda. You could have obviously found better picks and still made the argument that it needs some work before it meets the target render. Desperation is stinky cologne.

[Kayant]

Problem with Deep down is that was never said to be gameplay iirc and was a tech demo showing the Panta Rhei Engine on the PS4 and was probably in-engine footage not gameplay. The game is also not going to be out for sometime.

[DeadlyFire]

Did you not look at TGS build of Deep Down? Its much better than that now.

[PFFT]

BUT not as great as the old footage shown at their reveal. Killzone doesnt look as great as first shown either. AHHHHH but since its Sonys bullshit all is well and good.

[Idba]

First trailer for deep down was CGI, just like DR3's E3 trailer was CGI

EDIT; And Deep Down is F2P, Ryse (nor DR3) isn't

[Sven Benoit]

lol smh here we go again. Fanboys on both sides arguing over the same articles just worded differently.

[FrigidDARKNESS]

Yelp a e hash article different name....im out of here.

[pennywhyz]

PCs are godlike.

[Hellbringer]

The new build is a massive improvement

You can see it here
http://i.minus.com/ibweIYsu...
http://i.minus.com/iblrbwqL...

The one version is years ahead. (btw the first one is a bullshot)

-GI is activated only in bottom screenshot (lighting under helmet, for example in the mouth of guy on the left)
-Skin shader is a lot better (sss for example in nose of the guy on the left) and wrinkles too.
-Bump map resolution is doubled (armors details) and corrected (rivets in the helmet part over the ear of the guy on the left)
-SSreflections over metal parts (top of lion head, Maximo shoulder..)
-Clipping fixed (bottom of lion head)
-Better shadows (Maximo ear, every armor piece cast shadow now ...)
-Rain effect and more people over the bridge.

There is no donwgrade. Now it looks a lot bether.

People here prefer to write than to think. This is sad :(

[dazzrazz]

2 bad image with rain comes from xbox website where it had "a little bit" of Photoshop touch-up

[drsfinest72]

Photoshop? Where's your source troll

[UncleGermrod]

No one ever confirmed the photoshop thing, or ever had evidence of it for that matter. Just a theory is all

[anomly]

cunnilumpkin + 10m ago
kinda like how deep down went from this;

http://for-ps4.com/wp-conte...
https://www.google.com/sear...
to this;

http://gameinsider.fr/wp-co...

http://gameinsider.fr/wp-co...

oh wait, that's like a 10x worse downgrade than ryse
#13

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Nice Try taking screenshot of low res off screen video and trying to compare it to hi res.... desperate fanboy.

[megalonagyix]

Point is: Ryse actually looks a lot better now than on the bullshots. Deep Down looks awful, low res off screen or not. Higher resolution not gonna improve crap.

[strickers]

Funny that previews that are concerned about how Deep Down plays , praise the spectacular visuals. So many of you seem to have no idea what you are seeing. 1080 p/ 60 fps too.

[jackdaddy]

Next these blind xbots will be telling us that power isnt everything and faith will make it successful.
The PS4 is better in every way, and that's without retracting nearly every part of their original plan/spec for their console.
ONE HORSE RACE :)

[FrigidDARKNESS]

The author should write about ps4 games being downgraded also.... Anyway im out of here today nothing but negative articles today.

[mkis007]

Which launch games are being downgraded on ps4? A lot of people are bringing up Deep Down as the only example. If I am not mistaken that game is a year away? Don't get me wrong, it looks nothing like the tech demo trailer. Judging how it looks now with how much time is left in development ( and that it is an online game) I will give them time. Ryse is a launch title. And really should have had this all worked out months ago.

[Kryptix]

No PS4 launch titles are being downgraded, but it looks like you're trying to hide from the truth no matter if the articles are reworded or not, same facts.

[abusador]

On the contrary ps4 games have been upgraded, kz 1080p, 60fps mp says Helloooo, resogun 1080p, 60fps,, Deep down, 1080p, hell I don't think there is one ps4 1st party tht isn't 1080p meanwhile back at Microsoft KI, ryse, dead rising lol this is a joke now,

I know it hurts Fanboy but ths life

[ufo8mycat]

Ohhhh Microsoft and this goes for Sony as well.

Thats what you get when you show off 'XBONE Games' running on high-end PC hardware instead and hiding them so people think it's running on a XBONE.

then later on..

The truth and the downgrades come out.

You build up peoples expectations with the 'false advertising' and then people get disappointment when the truth comes out.

If you had just shown the REAL DEAL from the get go, wouldn't be as bad.

Shame on you.

Of course, myself, knowing that the XBONE and even PS4 were really tablet CPU's and low-end GFX cards, I knew it was fake.

[DKSP161]

XB1 AND PS4 games look the same...

[DarkHeroZX]

You forgot to say JK, people will think your being serious.

[davethedj]

I dont know how this xbone will last 10 years!!

[DKSP161]

Just like how the 360 and PS3 did with 512mb of ram.

What 8 year old PC can run games like Uncharted 3 and Halo?

[Dude420]

Ummm, one with a 7950GT? I was able to run Crysis on med settings at 1280x1024 at low-med settings. Then again, it was a huge game, and it was just very demanding. I'm sure it wouldn't have a problem running those games you mentioned, if it was properly optimized of course.

[AnteCash]

@dude Ps3 gpu is a cut down 7800, compared to 7950 it a very noticable diff.

[Dude420]

Doesn't matter, the geforce 7000 series was released in 2005, that still makes it 8 years old. I'm sure a 7800 could still run Crysis, at lower settings of course.

[Bathyj]

Everyone's missing the point.

The point isn't why can't Xbox run the game with a 150k poly model. The point is why did they think it could and why did it take till now to realise this?

Were they deliberately just blowing smoke before cos Xbone needed the good press or was it a genuine mistake and they overestimated their abilities.

[DKSP161]

Compare (in terms of graphics)COD 2 (A 360 launch title) with Black Ops 2...next gen games will only get better over time for the PS4 AND XB1.

[sovkhan]

"Were they deliberately just blowing smoke before cos Xbone needed the good press or was it a genuine mistake and they overestimated their abilities."

If you see what has been going on from the start, i think it's both : Xbox1 was by design more a media center than a gaming device, but Sony comes up with a different options, more game centric. Microsoft was then stuck, which explain the 180 U turn, the overclock, the Clouds stuff. To sum it up : They were obliged to shift vision but their hardware could not fellow. It was not designed with this vision in the first place.

[Phantom68]

True. It is irrelevant whether it looks better or not. The point is why did they originally show a 150k poly at 1080p 60fps and then downgraded it? Clearly it reminds me of the Kilzone 2 demo when Sony shot itself in the foot by showing a target render rather than gameplay. Sony learned from its mistakes whereas Microsoft is now making those mistakes by showing a game at a frame rate and resoution that is not the real one.

[mkis007]

Honestly though that target render may not have been like for like, but I was more than impressed with killzone 2's fidelity, especially since they had the render to live up to. But yes I suppose trade-offs were made, just like Ryse.

[Golden_Mud]

Actually at E3 Ryse were shown at a 30 frames/second and it was running a 720p resolution then they up it to 900p

[mkis007]

On the money. That is what I am wondering. Choice 3 could just be they shifted their focus away from things they found didn't matter; Kind of like how DriveClub is technically visually superior at 30fps while Forza 5 has the better frame-rate albeit with less effects.

[Bathyj]

The main point of concern as well which I forgot to say in my first post is its so close to launch. Dropping the resolution, doing the framerate, dropping the polys with 2 months to go is worrying if you're an Xbone fan,I would think.

[mhunterjr]

It CAN run the game with 150,000 poly s for the main character, but not if they want to run it without LODs and with advanced shaders. killing LODs and improving shaders meant a reduction in polygons for the main character (which was so high, the rewards were diminutive), and the result is a better looking game. killing the LODs likely means a higher overall polycount, so I'm not sure what all the fuss is about.

[steelcurtaingaming]

What annoys me with all of this talk is this:

Even though the game has been downgraded, it isn't to noticeable but that doesn't give Microsoft the right to lie to its consumers.

I say that because during the 2nd half of the year since E3 Microsoft has been running a majority of their games on PCs and neglecting to show what their actual hardware can handle and run at!

[blackbirdi]

it's happen with every console cycle ....does anybody still remember when Mgs 4 was announced 1080p@60 fps and then people find out that the game run in sub hd @30 fps and the polygon number was reduced

[solar]

Stop it!! The Sony Extremists kill when truth life that is brought up again!!!

[DarkHeroZX]

Lol that was the ps3, we are talking about next gen consoles that spec wise should be more then capable of at least 1080p at 30fps. If they can't do that then why even upgrade from current gen.

[UncleGermrod]

I'm no expert but it sounds to me like they are just optimizing. I know MS has made a big deal about Ryse but I feel as if the game was never meant to fill the spot they put it in. It started as an xbox360 kinect title.
I think they switched it over to try and gain some recognition as a platform with more exclusives to battle sony. It's almost like a baseball team taking some mediocre prospect and trying with everything they have to make him into some superstar...and then when they put him out for the world to see, he can't live up.
If Ryse was either A) started as an XBOX One title or B) was never made out to be some end-all be-all exclusive, then none of this would be an issue.
Had crytek had more time to make this title (they way it is now) then i bet they could get it running better. Don't just blame it on the one's hardware just yet...could just be a result of rough development cycle/immature graphics drivers.
To say the least, I bet future titles will attain a better level of performance and I'm not gonna let this influence my purchase.
I just wish i could have both systems at launch, but i'll wait for 2014 to grab ps4

[Ryto]

I'm getting a PS4, but in Xbones defence it does seem like they weren't ready to release it as soon as they are. Probably are doing to be competitive with the PS4.

Maybe all these problems are due to the Devs not having final hardware as long as the PS4 Devs have, and perhaps that's where the problems are? They haven't been able to streamline the game and optimise it?

Only time will tell, but what everything boils down to is the quality of the games. If any of the PS4 games I'm getting get downgraded resolution wise to improve gameplay, then I'd be okay with it.

Realistically though, after 7 years you'd hope these machines would have the raw power to just easily pump out 1080p with advanced graphics. I mean there were some PS2 games were 1080p, a few more this generation, so one would hope that with the next generation technology would allow it as standard. However, I am definitely not a tech head so I'll leave the criticism to more tech minded people :p

[Animal Mutha 76]

Ffs who writes this speculative rubbish.

Opinion doesn't equal facts. Wait until the bloody things are on sale then will know.

[cabbitwithscissors]

The xbone is beginning to sound less and less than what it was envisioned by MS. Rushed ? Faulty design ? Faulty reasoning or estimates in implementation of the architecture ? We probably won't know until the system is out and more and more people get hands on to check out its capability.

[smoothdude]

Hey it looks like they are taking Nintendo's approach to gaming after all. Graphics aren't everything!

[mohuzas]

the difference is that Nintendo actually makes good games.

[worldwidegaming]

This is why Nintendo was smiling and not wasting so much money like the other guys.
Just wait it out! Nintendo fans rarely get disappointing (except for that whole account locked into the system issue.)

[Foxgod]

This argument in the title would be true if:

:A triangle is indeed less then a polygon, but it isnt, so ryse still is technically the most impressive.

:No other improvements where made, then indeed it would be a downgrade, but they improved the shadows and the environment, so its more balancing then downgrading

:The resolution drop would be hardware related, but it isnt, because it has been reported theres some nasty bugs in the xb1 drivers that need to be fixed, and will be shortly after release.

[MultiConsoleGamer]

Daily front page agenda piece from another no name site.

The people behind this sham must literally believe that every single user of N4G is an idiot who comes here just to consume corporate black PR.

[Goku781]

This article has many good points.

[Kuse]

Great...another click bait article...

[BLAKHOODe]

Because launch titles are awesome and are a strong indication of what a console's future is.

/sarcasm

[jay2]

What do you expect from a console that should cost the sane as a Wii u

[DomceM]

Imo thats false advertising and shouldnt be allowed.

Demo your games on your own system or gtfo.

Guess if xbox ppl want to get the experience they saw from ms at the these gaming events and reveals tbey better buy a pc lmfao

[bumnut]

If you guys are so disappointed with next gen consoles, why buy one?

[thehitman]

Not dissapointed w/ consoles but with the xb1. Just to make your statement a little accurate :P.

[sephy]

But consumers flock at first glance of a new xbox how can you support such bad rep from a company who dissapointed millions of people not only in the u.s. but to the rest of the world and yet they continue to pull and get away with this stunts...

[JuniorCE]

The X1 is doomed... ;-)

[Nocando]

What an absolutely breathtaking amount of scrutiny. This has gone way beyond absurd.

[cactusjack]

alot of top execs at micro want to get out of the gaming industry and they might get their wish with the xbone

[AceBlazer13]

It worries me just how much this console could hinder next gen.As if consoles holding back pc wasn't bad enough now we have console holding back console.Really hope ps4 stomps xbone in the dust.

[abusador]

Its been stated many times that multi plats will be bumped for parity due to xbone inferiority and Microsoft policies and money hatting. Honestly 80% of my gaming us done on Sony exclusives and I see tpnxt gen will be the same, I refuse to support a dev that does not want to take advantage of ones system due to not wanting to displease the ego of another company, Um watching watch dogs closely if they gimped the ps4 version due to xbone I won't be getting.

[Ukdude]

THIS COMMENT MAY INFURIATE IRRATE JUVENILE FANBOYS

What the f*ck?
Comments on this website are f*cking hilarious! Lol
This is my daddy is tougher than your daddy or sega megadrive v super nintendo argument x 10!
Still havnt decided which console im getting,the reason?
Because i havnt got a f*cking clue how its gonna pan out,just like the rest of yous!
Who gives a sh*t about the technical side,just give me a demo booth side by side and ill judge for myself

NOT ENDORSED BY A FANBOY

[abusador]

Everything boasted and shown for several months were all lies, running on high end PCs and typical Microsoft using smoke and mirrors to persuade consumers thy have a better system, its sad. At many events thy tried to fool ppl into thinking their games were running on actual dev kits or systems and I'm glad many ppl investifpgated and reported it was bs. Fast forward close to release and you have ryse pushed way down to 900p Rez, low fps and less polys, dead rising 3, 720p, barely holding steady 30fps and a non complex fighting game also lower Rez then expected because of the limitation of the console.

Meanwhile all the fanboys were boasting about Microsoft lies and claiming superiority over ps4 and ps4 wasn't 50% faster and stronger gpu didn't make a difference, Lol oh how times have changed.
Back at Sony camp, resogun is 1080p/60fps, Kz Sf is 1080p/60fps mp, Drive club is also 1080p/anywhere from 30 fps to 60fps with dynamic goodness night/day, etccc +but racers being 1080p/30to60fps isn't a big deal as GT 5 already did that on consoles last gen). Anyway you get the point, Ps4 raw power and tam superiority is very evident early on. Even Infamous a complex, gorgeous looking game is said to be 1080p hmmmmm

Again Microsoft lies, uses smoke and mirrors boasts without substance, learn your lesson ppl

[sAVAge_bEaST]

^^^This.^^^

The whole One campaign has been built on lies.. From water cooler rocket science, of the launch., To the Titan hardware fiasco at E3. Now , finally,, the truth is coming out,. I hope the xbone fails hard because of this,,. because they tried to sell every one a lie.

[mohuzas]

am i the only one around here that finds it ironic that the WiiU has more games in 1080p 60fps than the other guys? XD

[PositiveEmotions]

Hmmm i wanted xb1 soley for ryse but now idk.

Its ok tho ps4 day one will do until i hear more about this

[srd4484]

Funny how many people just read the title. They clearly said this was a trade-off. We all know 99% of games at E3 are run off of PCs. You really think a real PS4 was playing their games? HA. Example: Deep Down.

[gdguide]

Quads = 4 verticies. In other words, there are 4 specific points mapped out in a 3d space

Tris = 3 verticies. In other words, there are 3 specific points mapped out in a 3d space.

There is more 3d information stored in a quad than a tri period. That said, Killzone devs are probably talking tris as well, but they also could be talking their models before converting quads to tris. If that's the case, the models would have greater than 41k tris.

[MadSientist89]

so I guess some guy posts his personal opinion on a site and all of a sudden it's news... he doesn't mention the CPU/GPU up clock.. funny

[H0RSE]

To be fair, all the "weak xbox" comments are a bit misplaced. Yes, the whole situation as a whole makes MS look deceptive, but it was at a gaming event, where it has become pretty common to showcase games running on "beefier" setups - not just MS is guilty of this.

I am approaching it from of a technical aspect, and I keep asking myself how would the original Ryse, in all its 150k, 1080p 60fps glory, have run on a PS4? Would it have been practical to release the original game on PS4 hardware, or would a downgrade have also been necessary, r perhaps if a different developer was at the helm or a different engine was used, would they be able to yield better results?

A studio like ND produces a game like TLOU, and everyone praises how them on their ability to develop a game to the likes which has never visually been seen on PS3, yet in this case, everyone is quick to label it simply as "xbox fail." I find that in many situations, things aren't so black and white - I always question the variables.

[corvusmd]

Stupid fanboys...how did this article get approved...and not even as an opinion piece? There is NO proof to support this at all, yet Sony fanboys are all about promoting this article.

[marcofdeath]

I get that most of you are fanboys but are you idiots too? The developer said 85,000 polygons he did not say triangles. I keep trying to save you guys from misinformation, look let's look at the games the PS4 is getting its ass kicked in every single aspect of its hardware that is supposed to be a high-powered PC. KZSF only has a top polygon rate of 40,000 polygons this is weak the game can only render 1080p in a multiplayer mold and as we already know this is lacking detail. Battlefield 4 looks bad on PS4, not one game can sustain 60 frames per second at 1080p resolutions. A lot of you literally tell yourself that it's 85,000 triangles but the developer himself stated polygons, in life when someone told you that something was the 50% percent better than something else you can see it, you can feel it, you know it's there so where ls it.

http://gearnuke.com/ryse-do...

[AceBlazer13]

What Microsoft is doing is street magic.Example:You go to a store expecting a fresh new pair of Jordan's and the sellers shoes you a pair,then they go to the back and end up swapping the pair you wanted with a cheap knockoff without you knowing.Microsoft shows pc version of games and sells a lesser version to ppl expecting what they saw.You don't become successful with honesty I guess.

[whamlollypop7]

Ya know when the shoe is on the other foot its rather nice, back in the day when all the PS3 bashing was what was popular I was melancholy but now WEEEEEEEEE! Don't worry Xbox buddies it gets better or it doesn't I don't know.

[Mister_G]

Glad I'm getting a PS4 then :)

[doi]

It's THAN not then.

[Izzy408]

I love these kinds of posts; they never fail to get the fanboys rallied up over an article written by another fanboy. Only at NG4.

[ohboy]

Simply put
Ps4 - performance & power
Xb1 - New features & multi tasking

[Izzy408]

performance and power where?

[Clarence]

It's not even funny anymore. The truth is coming out. I wonder how m$ fans and M$ will try to spend this.

[Chris12]

You really need to check the comparison shots of portions of the screen that are on other forums. The graphics look better now then they did before. Less poly's = more effects. If you wish to blindly follow flame bait articles that's your choice, but the game looks better now.

[Clarence]

If you wish to blindly follow pictures that have been photoshop that's your choice.
http://pixelenemy.com/ryse-...

The game looks better now wow! I see got those Xbox shades on

[Chris12]

Nice one, link to an old article and completely ignore the point being discussed. Like the majority here I'm buying a PS4, but I'm not blindly following the constant bashing of MS in a desperate attempt to win some supposed console war.

They have made the right decision with Ryse on this one and it looks better for it. Deal with it.

[Clarence]

Anyone remember this
http://www.gamespot.com/for...

The truth will set you free

[bligmerk]

Decrease the polygons, decrease the texture resolution, decrease the screen resolution, decrease the frame rate and pretty soon, you end up with this:
http://blog.fileplanet.com/...

The real question is if Crytek is being pressured to do the same for the PC version for "political reasons"? So many MS lapdogs acting like Ryse is only for XBone but it is a PC game -- FIRST, an XBone game second. The real comparison is going to be the PC game compared against the XBone version. The odds are the paid MS shill lapdogs will suddenly stop their yapping.

[srd4484]

Complete idiot you are. Here we go with the "political reasons" crap again. If you have proof MS has ever done this then please share with us. I guess everything we believe on the internet must be true. They never made one mention of a downgrade. It's a trade-off, which many games get.

Truth= unnamed anonymous sources written by a blog site anyone with a computer can do.

Sony fanboys are so sad.

Political Reasons!

[Clarence]

@srd4484
You call Sony fans sad yet you just created this account. What's really sad is how M$ keeps getting caught up in these spectacular lies.

Make sure you look down, M$ is leading you right off that cliff.

[johny5]

for $500 dollars "not including bundles" you can get a mid to high end computer with the new AMD Radeon R9 280X which is equivalent to a HD 7970 GE for under $300 and play all games at 1080p-4k and not have to worry about any compromises from XDONE's laptop GPU!

[N4GJD]

I am not quite sure why anyone may be surprised by this, it should have been more then obvious something was just not right when the more powerful console (ps4) was running games at 1080p/30fps at the time. Not to mention it was already known xbox one games were running on PC's.

[GaminGuys]

Just got back from Eurogamer. Let me tell you right now that the best looking game was Battlefield 4 which ran on Xbox One. The consoles were on display - no hiding.

[Clarence]

http://www.dualshockers.com...

Yeah ok.

[Chris12]

You're a class one idiot. I've been to Eurogamer as well and the game was running in XB1's.

You're so desperate to win a console war that you provide a link to PAX instead of addressing the point being made, exactly as you did to my point above.

It's a wonder how you got so many bubbles by spreading constant FUD.

[clouds5]

The worst thing about this news is:

This game Ryse could look freakin amazing on PC (and it already ran on it!) but it won't be released for it. Instead they tune it down and make it push sales of a underpowered PC box that costs about as much as a PC.

As a PC gamer I'm kinda mad at MS.

[Reem]

Of course it is, Xbone can't even run 150k polys in good quality and had to cut it down to 80k. KZ matches this with just 2 enemies on screen and considering all enemies in Ryse are a copy & paste work with much lower poly count, I'm damn sure KZ has a much higher poly count on screen and this in 1080p at 60fps.

[ACEMANWISE]

I don't understand why these companies are running PS3/PS4/360/one games through a PC in the first place. They are essentially setting themselves up for possible failure in not meeting the target product they are striving for.

To me it's product fraud. Even if the target is reached it still demonstrates a product not realized or proven. Aliens: Colonial Marines seems to demonstrate this.

[marcofdeath]

Here's a list of polygon characters within a game. All I have to say is "I told you."
http://wccftech.com/ryse-po...

[joefrost00]

When its all said and done the screenshots actually look better
More realistic
But people stop comparing deep down and infamous
Please comparing them with a launch title is stupid
Compare them to quantum break which looks better than all of them but no one believed remedy when they said that it was running gqmeplay and not CG

[GaminGuys]

You might wanna read this http://www.gaminguys.com/ne...

[RAGE91]

I think I can speak for all Xbox fans, that we are all clinging on to some false sense of hope that Microsoft will sort oout this chaos. But sadly, we seem to be stupid enough to go along with them and give them our cash. I predict me having the xbox a total of 1-2 years :(

[cyber_daemonx]

Poor little x-bots. Must be bad when even nintendo fanboys are taking the ryse. Just face it the xbone sucks, wouldn't surprise me if the vita ends up being more powerful.

[Petebloodyonion]

Just a quick question
When did MS bought Crytek? I Don't recall them being one of Ms developers.

So Why everybody here scream that MS lied to PPL when they don't develop the game?
Are you all implying that MS asked Crytek to do a Alien Colony with the demo for E3 and after produce a lower version?

Just asking cause it seem I missed something

[bligmerk]

It's because it is MS trying to play it up like it was the next Gears for XBone or their own version of a title to compete with God of War. They have also been chortling about it as the best representation of XBone power and that hype is dissolving quick now, with one downgrade after another. Trying to act like Ryse is some GoW killer is all due to MS.

[ziggurcat]

So much defending from the xbone camp going on... Had this been about any sony title, you people would have been **** talking left, right, and centre.

[SynestheticRoar]

Microsoft caught again trying to pull the wool over everyone eyes. Its ridiculous. What mind boggling is how you fan boys come to their rescue. Enough don't to it you look stupid. As if you only possess 3 brain cell, and your parents are actually related as brother and sister. Tomorrow will be a new day, and there be a new story how X1 is troublesome, vexed, and more problematic. Let it be please have some pride, dignity, or just some self respect.

[srd4484]

Is it this easy to write an article on a blog site and pass it along as legit? Sony fanboys are pathetic. WOW.
I think I will believe the people who are building it rather than this kid.
http://gearnuke.com/crytek-...

[Drainage]

next gen and already compromising shit . pathetic times

[urwifeminder]

Look forward to playing XB1 power not an issue for me my pc rocks cant wait for that forza action.