Reggie Fils-Aime Points To PS2 In Defense Of Wii U Power

GR: "Sure, Wii U isn't as powerful as PS4 or Xbox One, but Nintendo of America's president says that doesn't matter."

[xHeavYx]

Different times, the PS2 also had a ton of games, some major publishers are not even making games for the Wii U and all people get from Nintendo are Mario/Zelda/some other remake games

[dedicatedtogamers]

Yes, it's a completely different situation. PS2 was more powerful than the Dreamcast and it launched 18 months before the Xbox and GCN. Sony kept up the momentum and by the time Xbox/GCN launched there were already a ton of 1st party and 3rd party games on PS2.

Wii-U, on the other hand, completely squandered its headstart. People didn't know (and some still don't know) that the thing exists, and software sales for Wii-U are beyond dismal.

[zebramocha]

I'm glad you pointed out the time difference between the ps2 and og xbox and gcn(game cube),the ps2 was weak by comparison only because it realesed before its competitors.

[abzdine]

at thesame time the gap between PS2, xbox and GC was close to zero. in the wii U case it's a whole different story.

[RGDubz]

Did you just say the PS2 was more powerful then the Dreamcast?

If that had any truth to it why did every game ported from Dreamcast to PS2 or X-Box or Gamecube have to be downgraded in some way to run on the Dreamcasts competitors consoles?

Ecco the dolphin is one of many great examples of downgrading the visuals by comparaison to the original Dreamcast version.

[zebramocha]

@rgd because each console had a quirk that allowed it to perform something better than its competitor.

[mewhy32]

Wow, it's like Microsoft and Nintendo got together and came up with this "power/specs" doesn't matter LOL. PS4 babay. PS4!!!

[MWong]

I think Dedicatedtogamers summed it up the best.

I just don't see the point of that article. I'll probably get a lot of disagrees with this statement. The Wii-U will be released about a year ahead of the PS4 & XBONE and I have a feeling both consoles will surpass the Wii-U in the first 6 months.

[hay]

Specs isn't everything, it's just an opportunity to do something on grander scale, or with newer technologies.

[miyamoto]

More Games Less Gimmicks

So many similarities can be drawn between Dreamcast and Wii U except Dreamcast has tons of great games at launch window. Its strange Reggie did not use it as reference to " weakest specs don't matter"

Also the difference between Dreamcast PS2 Xbox and GC in terms of specs are not leaps and bounds compared to Ps4 and Wii u.

[Utalkin2me]

Come on this is a broken record seriously. The WiiU launched before competition, didn't advertise, didn't have decent games at launch, is overpriced, doesn't have 3rd party support. Quite a bit different then the PS2.

[mikeslemonade]

Wii U is last gen so it's actually the strongest console out of the PS3 and Xbox 360.

[Kleptic]

dedicatedtogamers...mostly right...and mostly in the situation being different part...but i see what you're saying...

the PS2 was in no way 'more powerful' than the DC...The Ps2 was the beginning of Sony's chest thumping through made up marketing to attract a core audience...the 'reality synthesizer' and all that was just talk backed up only by how great the hardware was at extremely specific programming...that trend obviously continued onto the ps3...

The DC always had a clear advantage in video ram, but arguably at a time when that wasn't all that big of a deal (this was way before most people even heard of an HDTV, and if you happened to buy one...you were an idiot)

In either case...i still totally agree that the situation in the past with the DC and PS2 was in no way comparable to the Wii U...

the PS2 dominated because it had ALL the games...there wasn't a single 3rd party 'big deal' that wasn't on the PS2 for an entire generation...other than RE4...Nintendo saying they'll be fine with a much weaker system, because the PS2 did incredibly well, undermines the entire decade+ that the ps2 now has under its belt as an uncontested blood bath...

the Wii U, unlike the PS2, has NO games...NO games Vs. ALL the games...is about as close as you can get to the two extremes of the industry...hell, apparently even Nintendo isn't developing for it....

[Ritsujun]

Wii U = ripoff, and should've been released in 2006/2007.

[Utalkin2me]

@mikeslemonade

I understand WiiU is a little underpowered, but how do you compare it to last gen? When the wii and Ps3 launched at the same time?

[LOL_WUT]

Damage control Reggie is trying to spin this, you can't just compare the Wii U to the PS2. One of them actually HAD 3rd party support and EXCLUSIVES ;)

[pixelsword]

I think that's why I'm so down on Nintendo lately: for the company that made the slogan "Now you're playing with power", they did a total 180 and couldn't do a 360, but are now pulling off a One (if you follow me).

[sarshelyam]

Well said. I can't add anything more to this nail-on-the-head logic!

[ASBO-5]

GCN? I think you meant NGC. It wasn't the Gamecube Nintendo, it was the Nintendo Gamecube.

[mamotte]

@ASBO-5

Actually, he's right. Is the GCN, since the letters "NGC" belonged to the NeoGeo Color and couldn't be used.

[dbjj12088]

I think the biggest mistake is the name. People think it's another peripheral!

[NeXXXuS]

Should have stuck with Nintendo Revolution

[Bathyj]

Agreed. It was a sad attempt to cash in and coast on the Wii's popularity but all it did was confuse people into thinking it was just a tablet controller for a system they stopped caring about 3 years ago.

[S2Killinit]

true, but to be honest with you, I think my set up will be a PS4 this generation with a WiiU. That way I get the best of both worlds.

[Prime_28]

Wii U + PC is even a better set up.

[S2Killinit]

@Prime
I have a decent PC and I play games like Diablo and Starcraft on it. But the day I miss out on Sony's First party exclusives would be the day I've stopped gaming for life (I made myself sad). and @Roper316 I want the Nintendo WiiU because of the exclusives not the multiplats which would look better on PS4 anyway. But I want to play games like the next Zelda.

[TekoIie]

@S2killinit

I think hes looking at the offerings objectively and when you look at it like that hes right. Facts show that you get the broadest selection of genres with those two systems.

But we all have our preferences towards certain genres, studios and franchises which is what ultimately decides which systems we buy.

[S2Killinit]

@Pekolie
well said, and true. You are a gentleman and a scholar.

[Roper316]

PS2 was all about the games period! It didn't have some gimmicky Ipad like controller and it had 3rd party games coming out of everywhere to put in nicely.

Wii-U doesn't currently have the 1st party line-up on par with the PS2 & Sony's offerings and then it's harder to find a 3rd party dev that says they develop on the Wii-U then it is to find one that says they don't. To me that is a very very bad sign and one Ninty should do everything in it's power to change.

No system will ever be in the same class as the PS2 as far as I'm concerned because PS2 was only about games and nothing else and no console will ever be that way again.

[Sincere0121]

Lol about nintendo having a gimmicky controller. You do realise that playstation and xbox controllers are copies of the Nintendo's previous controllers.

Nintendo don't do gimmicks they do innovation and anything Nintendo does Sony and Microsoft Copy.

[Salooh]

Ps4 is now as easy to develop for as ps1 which is better then ps2. So developers may support it like the ps2 this time. Indies already making their attacks on the ps4. We will get a great launch titles :P

Assassin's Creed 4: Black Flag [1]
Battlefield 4
Call of Duty: Ghosts
Watch Dogs
DriveClub (ps+)
Killzone: Shadow Fall
Knack
And others that i'm personally not interested on..

I kind of feel that the ps4 will achieve that. Self publishing , no fee on updates , easy to develop for..etc

[Shadowsteal]

@Sincere0121

Oh so innovative right when smartglass and ps4 remoteplay with vita and mobile devices were announced way before the tablet on the Wii U. And next generation is when both technologies will be showcased to near perfection.

And please. I can't call Nintendo innovative when they keep shoving out the same IP's. They're so afraid of releasing games without Mario or Zelda slapped on it, because they won't sell as well. Nintendo gamers are stuck in an infinite loop of the same games with better graphics. Whereas Playstation and Xbox are receiving new IP's all the time, from Quantum Break to Last of Us to Knack and Sunset Overdrive. Every generation Sony says hello to it's gamers with brand new IP's and Xbox is gaining on them with their lineup this generation. That's what I call innovative. Can you say the same about Nintendo?

[THEMIGHTYDOOVDE]

@Sincere0121 You know your on a website full of fanboys when you get massively down voted for telling the truth!

[WiiUsauce]

so... DVD playback wasn't a gimmick? Lol yeah, right. And what do you call this thing? http://www.techibuzz.com/wp... no gimmicks? Yeah lol.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

Yeah I was gonna say the PS2 had tons and tons of games and exclusives.

While Nintendo is struggling hard to get third party on board.

EDIT: "Even if you look at the generation before that, it was Sony's product that was underpowered compared to the other two home consoles and yet they won that generation. In the end it comes down to the games. The games drive the install base, the games excite the consumer."

Exactly, which is why The PS4 and X1 games have allot of people more excited over your console.

[BullyMangler]

all the nintendo people get are zelda/metroid/mario = the best gameplay games ever made?

fair enough (:

thats all they get, nothing else is coming ): (:

[xHeavYx]

I'm not saying they are bad games, but it's time Nintendo fanboys stop using that excuse that they are the best games ever made. They were good games back then yes, but you can't live off from re-making the same games over and over

[SilentNegotiator]

"zelda/metroid/mario = the best gameplay games ever"

This is where most Nintendo fanboys are coming from; a bubble in which there are only Nintendo games.

[Sincere0121]

Lol "thats all they get" even if it was, its still don't alter the fact that Sony and Xbox games are crap compared to nintendo.

Nintendo games can be played for a lifetime, they have longevity, good replay value and there not boring.
I cant say the same for Playstation or Xbox.

[BullyMangler]

Its obvious you haven't played any of the more recent nintendo "fanboy games", hence you call them re-makes < lol

All these mario and zelda games/nintendo exclusives bring is NEW ENHANCING GAME-PLAY MECHANICS to video game land < no biggie

maybe u should do some research before complaining/whining <

thanks for your time (:

[xHeavYx]

@ Sincere, what a stupid thing to say, you are the typical fanboy who lives inside a little bubble. Nintendo games can be played for a lifetime? What game can't be played for a lifetime? Maybe you meant" Nintendo has been coming up with the same games for a lifetime"
@Bully, why not do all those updates to new ips? you probably live with Sincere inside the same bubble

[HardcoreDaBoss]

I would buy a wii u or Nintendo system just for their games. I would buy a playstation for games like naughty dog is making. umm I like xbox but the only real thing going is the xbox live. IMO Nintendo has the best and the most 1st party exclusives, and the thing about most of the games they make is the replay value. I still can play 20 year old Nintendo games and have fun and play for hours.

[THEMIGHTYDOOVDE]

@xHeavYx You start your comment with 'what a stupid thing to say' and then proceed to talk absolute crap yourself..... nice!

Nintendo make great games with massive replay values. How many Sony/MS exclusives will you play over and over?

I bet the REAL truth is you couldn't count them on one hand!

[Dj7FairyTail]

That maybe true but PS2 had exclusives and PS4 is not

[BullyMangler]

you: why not do all those updates to new ips? you probably live with Sincere inside the same bubble

because we are talking about games, video games = gameplay < fact . . the fug do new Ip's have to do with gameplay ?

yuve been drinking again huh

[Dj7FairyTail]

did I attack you not.
PS2 has final fantasy, kingdom heart and metal gear as an exclusives and PS4 is not having them like that

[NeXXXuS]

*facepalm*

[Hicken]

This is so bad it's laughable. Ninty fanboys so up in arms that they're attacking each other cuz they can't get things straight.

Anyway, even though the Wii U may be analogous to the PS2 in terms of power when it comes to the competition, that's about it. The PS2 had far more third party support, and there was no question in the public's eyes concerning the device's identity.

Those things are going against the Wii U right now, and don't look to be improving any time soon.

[Shadowsteal]

Did the PS2 start with those exclusives? No. I'll bet you that at the end of PS4's life cycle we'll see even more new IP's and games than the PS3 brought us this generation.

[WiiUsauce]

Why are you guys downvoting this guy? He's right? Sony had HEAVY hitting, MONSTROUS 3rd party exclusives on PlayStation 2, like MGS 3, Kingdom Hearts, Okami, God Hand, Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Tekken, Zone of the Enders, ect. ect.

And now all of those franchises are all multiplats.

[CrimsonSquall]

As a kid, I always needed to create a plan to sucker my parents into getting me games. The PS2 made it extremely easy for me as it offered dvd functionality which was huge bc dvd players were fairly new at the time. PS3 same scenario... except I had to wait till the 40gb because the price was too steep for my parents even with the blu-ray included but yea I mean u kinda can't compare Wii U to the PS2 because they were in different ages. We are always connected now, back then we kinda sorta weren't

[Dj7FairyTail]

Wii U gonna win anyway

[Dj7FairyTail]

If yall disagree me oh well it my damn opinion don't like it deal with kids

[Pope_Kaz_Hirai_II]

Your opinion has a 99.9% chance of being wrong just saying.

[LOL_WUT]

Drinking that Nintendo Kool-Aid ;)

[TripC50]

I don't agree with your opinion. Wii U wont win. But it's my personal favorite console. Even if the Wii U goes the way of the GameCube or, in worst case, Dreamcast (which I doubt) I will enjoy it non the less.

[stuna1]

What is this backwards day or something? Two console makers have made some pretty should I say stupid remarks! First Microsoft with their "Which way is up?" pr nightmare, now Nintendos, duh.... just compare us to a decade old machine! I'm really crossing my fingers that Sony doesn't top this off with something stupid to say.

[jcnba28]

You sony fanboys are hilarious. Come back to me when sony establishes a franchise as big Mario or Zelda.

@1lawrence Gran Turismo 4 (highest selling of series) - 15 mil

Mario Kart Wii - 34 mil

[1lawrence]

gran turismo says hi

[fsfsxii]

I've only played 2 Zelda games and 3 mario games and i'm already tired of the same games all over again.

[Jay70sgamer]

Let me correct you wii sports 80 million ..people can add all the major franchises for both Sony and Microsoft and they will never sell as many as wii sports ...that's facts not hearsay counter that ....so all yall saying mario ,Zelda ,etc are kiddie games last time I checked I don't think 80 million kids were playing wii sports or 34 millions kids only played mario kart ..Lol adults play it also lol smh all this nintendo this nintendo.That ..nintendo ain't going nowhere like I said before stop being a nintendo hater and be a gamer enjoy all systems and games .... Also didnt we all have this conversation over7 years ago Sony ,Microsoft is more powerful ..blah blah blah blah ...who won the last generation again a fact nintendo did with the so called weaker system lol

[lukeb4dunk]

@jay70sgamer - You can't really throw Wii sports into the mix, for most of those numbers are fluffed from it being bundled with the console.

[jivah]

@Jay70sgamer Yea lets compare a game that was included in every system bundle available.. because ya know everybody really wanted that game

[Jay70sgamer]

Ok since yall trying to say that was bundled what about wii fit 23 million sold more than the entire god of war series and that was 7 releases ..wii fit was not only a new IP in which people say nintendo doesnt do but it was released once on the wii and outsold the entire gods of war series lol....nintendo moves way more units than Sony and Microsoft ...it's a fact once again not an opinion .....nintendo can just release one of there franchise games and can outsell some of Sony and xbox total series(mario kart,wii fit ,Pokemon etc etc etc ....tell me who moves the most units and software ...I just don't understand the hate ...like I said I love games not systems .yes nintendo is not moving units at the moment but once they release something a person likes systems are sold(smash bros,mario kart ,Zelda ,Mario yoshi sonic etc etc etc ..so don't act like before this generation is over you are not gonna get a wii u people on here are funny it's gonna be just like last generation everybody is gonna have a wiiu &ps4,,,wii u /xbox one or wiiu /pc ...in reality wiiu is the alternative that's fact not opinion ....we all have a favorite nintendo game that is gonna make us buy a system that's why nintendo just sits back and let them two fight it out(sony& xbox) ....also I wanna point I owned all 3 last generation and probably will again ..I defend nintendo because sometimes they get the short end of the stick while the other companies get a pass (example playstaion people was complaining about xbox live ..but now you on Sony have to pay to play multiplayer but now it's ok ......that's being a hypocrite ...or nintendo run there franchises into the ground but how many halos was released on xbox360 or call of duties nobody complains or gods of war thats hypocrisy

[lukeb4dunk]

@Jay70sgamer

I have a WiiU and I wasn't hating on the system, I was just pointing out how Wii Sports shouldn't be included in sales numbers.

I will say this though, WiiU needs more games, 1st and 3rd party. IMO, if they don't come out this holiday season, they are going to have a hard time keeping up with the other big 2.

[Jay70sgamer]

@lukeb4 dunk I wasn't directing that at you I was just making a point and not all wii 's was bundled with wii sport in the first few years yes but there are so many different bundles the wii fit bundle mario kart bundle so you have to count that because its still software because anyone could have just bought a basic with no game .......I just just point out the realities of things ..I was just pointing that out ....I could care less who wins the console war they are not paying me anything all three... I just want to enjoy there games lol and the new games are here starting in aug the games are here so people can't use that excuse anymore and yes they need more third party in the future but this year they are ok this holiday season all the major third party will be on wii u splinter cell ,call of duty ghosts ,watch dog ,sonic,batman ....so people can't really say they are missing alot except grand theft auto and that is still a maybe ...and a few sports games and battlefield

[jessupj]

because we all know sales equals quality.

Yup, wii fit is one quality game.

[Shadowsteal]

You Nintendo fanboys are hilarious. Come back to me when Nintendo establishes new IP's and experiences like Sony has in it's 20 years of existence vs. Nintendo's 30 years of repetition.

You Ninty fanboys have been playing Mario/Metroid/ and Zelda since 1985. While Sony provided us with games like Spyro/Crash Bandicoot/FF7 to Ratchet and Clank/Sly Cooper/ Jak and Daxter to Uncharted/ Resistance/ Last of Us/Infamous/God of War/ Heavy Rain. You guys should know how long the list is by now.

[CrimsonSquall]

Comparing sales like that is ridiculous if u don't also include the sales of the consoles. I will speak on Sonys behalf. Sony has sold over 75 million consoles. GT5 has sold 10 million units. Thats an attachment rate of 7.5% which is pretty damn impressive considering just how many other games are available on the platform

[Abdou23]

Apparently dvs disagree because the yare avoiding Wii U like a plague.

[Prime_28]

Exactly. Most of these people haven't even played a Wii U for longer than a hour to really experience what it has to offer. They just want the PS4 to do everything for them, too bad they're the ones missing out.

[Campy da Camper]

I enjoy my Wii u. Its a good system. Don't do my hardcore gaming on it like my ps3 but def play couple hours a night.

[Abdou23]

@Campy da Camper

What do you play on it? what are you planning to get? do you play with friends ?!

[hollabox]

I like Reggie but I think he's off on this one. PS2 was not 5 times weaker than the GC or Xbox. PS2 was probably more less 1.5 weaker than the Xbox and 1.25 weaker than the GC. The only thing Xbox had on the PS2 was Pixel and Vertex shaders allowing for greater special effects. The Gamecube could push higher polygon counts with all features on and had alittle bit more memory, that's about it.

A better comparison Reggie should have used is with the Wii compared to the Xbox 360 and PS3. Both are about 3-5 times the power of the Wii and it still sold 100 Million.

On the other hand XB1 and PS4 are about 4-5 times more power with 4 times as much ram, 15 times the storage space, 2 times the physical storage space, all for $50-150 more. On top of that they both can play blu ray movies, 4k video, and non controller motion controls.

Nintendo will probably need to drop the price of the Wii U by $100 or this fall. I know it hurts their bottom line but they need to impulse the consumers again. Most importantly they need an killer lineup, games like Pikmin 3 and Windwaker remake is not going to cut it.

[BullyMangler]

you: Garbage dude, you have 1 black and white flop game that didn't do squat,

me: flop ? ha haaa so yes you are saying that justin bieber is more king than Biggie smalls? ha haaa faiL

you: ive seen Mad World in person, I didn't think it could touch God of War 3 in terms realistic gore.

me: realistic gore? and how does generic "realism" get any points of creativity? ha haaa madworld = destroys god of war . yes god of war has better gameplay, but Madworld for the kiddie wii has ultimate gore and maturity and adult content more than God of War < fact . truth hurts ? ):

you: You have 1 black white and game nobody played, hahaha loser!

me: just because madworld is underground = that it is not the most Adult content game to ever grace this land? ha haaaa cool huh, and is on the "kiddie wii" heh hehh so cooL (;

you: I can atleast watch Blu Ray and DVD movies from my consoles, hahahahaha loser

me: and this has what to do with gaming?

:/ trust me . nitpicking wont take you far in life sun.

sucks to be a sony or microsoft fanboy in nintendos land huh ):

you have failed to prove yourself up against a nintendo kiddie?

NNexXxXxXt!!

p.s. blockig people = pussy-toe < fact (:

[BullyMangler]

you: Garbage dude, you have 1 black and white flop game that didn't do squat,

me: flop ? ha haaa so yes you are saying that justin bieber is more king than Biggie smalls? ha haaa faiL

you: ive seen Mad World in person, I didn't think it could touch God of War 3 in terms realistic gore.

me: realistic gore? and how does generic "realism" get any points of creativity? ha haaa madworld = destroys god of war . yes god of war has better gameplay, but Madworld for the kiddie wii has ultimate gore and maturity and adult content more than God of War < fact . truth hurts ? ):

sucks to be a sony or microsoft fanboy in nintendos land huh ):

you have failed to prove yourself up against a nintendo kiddie?

NNexXxXxXt!!

so how many justin bieber posters u got in your room . his sales are off the charts man! ha ha haaa

[ABizzel1]

Yes Reggie, but the difference is.

1. Technology wise the PS2 wasn't a generation behind the competition, in fact it was still on par with the Dreamcast and Gamecube tech wise with each having their greater strength in another area with the Xbox original being the only standout.

The Wii and Wii U; however, have been an entire generation behind their competitors.

2. PS2 has the best 3rd party support of pretty much any console ever.

Wii and Wii U 3rd party consist of inferior ports (more so the Wii not Wii U) and casual party games.

[MoveTheGlow]

I agree that his argument is pretty bad here. He's doing his job, but even he must be thinking "Yeah, I get it. Look, I just need to go out there and fight for Nintendo. It's a nice gig." Nintendo is obviously priming the WiiU to be a second system. Not the super-powered one that plays all the big, well-known games from other publishers, but the only way you can play stuff by Nintendo.

It's like how I play so much 3DS at home - it's where you can play the new Fire Emblem and Animal Crossing, so it's fine. They're wonderful designers, supporting some amazing designers on the side (Retro, Intelligent Systems, Atlus (the good stuff)), but they're not meant to play with the big boys. Sometimes, the big boys are no fun to play with (like Call of Puppy and all those samey military or quasi-sci-fi-because-hey-it-is n't-military shooters this year at E3, Destiny being the good exception). I wish they'd just come clean about it.

Just bring us the games, lower the price, and wipe away the debt, Nintendo.

[ABizzel1]

@MoveTheGlow

I agree on so many levels.

I don't think Nintendo did right by the Wii U regarding hardware and all the options available to them. AMD Llano or Trinity APU would have been significantly better and launched for a similar price and came out 2011 Llano or 2012 Trinity.

Good Enough
Llano = 360 CPU+, 50% better GPU, and 2GB of good DDR3 RAM = PS360+ aka 50% more powerful.

All we really wanted and needed
Trinity = PS360 CPU+, 2x PS360 GPU, 4GB of good DDR3 RAM (1GB OS, 3GB games) = 2.5x more powerful than PS360 aka 1/2 of the Xbox 1.

If Nintendo had hit either of those goals no one would be complaining because the difference in quality from the Wii -> Wii U or even the PS360 -> Wii U would be apparent from Day 1. Launch games would be running at better framerates on the Wii U version or a higher resolution with the Llano model and both with the Trinity model.

But moving past hardware I have no problem with Nintendo being a second console, but it's like they don't care for now. The games I want aren't coming until 2014, there's no price drop planned thus far, and the PS4 and X1 are stealing all the spotlight from Nintendo whether good or bad.

I need to see a $199 - $249 price drop on the console, along with a real HDD, and a game tossed in (NSMB U), along with mature games, and exclusives and unique third party support. When I say mature games I mean the Wii U needs and would be perfect for games like Heavy Rain, Murdered Soul Suspect, LA Noire, Portal, etc...

Nintendo also could have benefitted from IP's like buying Darksiders (alternate between Zelda and DS) , Sonic, etc...

There have been so many opportunities for Nintendo after the success of the Wii, the 1 year head start, and developers looking for buyers that it borderline agners me to see them just clueless about it all.

I wish them the best, but Nintendo has lost touch with gamers and the real world as far as console gaming goes.

[plaZeHD]

Totally agreed.

[MizTv]

I would get a wii-u if it had some games

[erathaol]

Did Reggie miss the part of an "enormously diverse library created by 3rd party support" that the PS2 has and which the Wii U lacks?

[showtimefolks]

Nintendo get some 3rd party games

GTA5
Saints row 4
COD
BF

ps2 was a different beast, now market has shifted. Some of the major 3rd party publishers are not even making games on wiiu and that has to change

ps3 was so hard to develop for yet most 3rd party publishers still put up with it

[Shadowsteal]

HAH! You think those developers are going to bother with the Wii U?

Do you know why dev's are so annoyed to the point they don't want to develop for the Wii U? It's because they're forced to add GamePad controls in addition to not being as easy to develop for as its competitors. They'd rather save time and develop for Xbox360/X1 and PS3/PS4.

[showtimefolks]

Shadowsteal

i know why and i agree with you but nintendo has to do something, pay money for some development funding or do something

if i was a publishers or developer i wouldn't want to mess around with wiiu either, 3rd party games don't sell on nintendo home consoles and that dates back 15-20 years

[Shnazzyone]

Let's just not talk about ps2's first year... no good games until 8 months after it had been released. I don't remember even really being able to justify the purchase until GTA3 came out over a year after I bought it. Loved the crap out of Armored core 2 and Timesplitters though when that fateful october did finally roll around.

[assdan]

There is one major difference between the ps2 and wiiU in their respective generations. The PS2 might have been the weakest console of that gen, but it could still keep up with the xbox. This cannot be said for the wiiU. It has a quarter the ram as the both consoles (both at a higher speeds, especially the ps4); less than half the CPU cores and at a lower clock; It's gpu is barely even comparable with the xbone and ps4 using new architecture and the wiiU using 3 year old tech; it also has no storage. That translates to, not even next-gen. This isn't the next PS2, it's the next dreamcast.

[Triforce079]

Ive seen this interview and he just says in not so many words raw power isn't important ??? and this site changes his words around a little,he did mention the ps2/wii were less powerful and won but he is just stating if you have 3 consoles 1 has to be the weakest powerwise,ps2 couldnt even do detailed textures like gamecube,wiiu can do 8096x8096 textures and supports tesselation and compute shaders ???

Only this gen wiiu/ps4/xbox1 ect all make use of dx11 comparable gpu's except wiiu uses edram which is immensely more powerful and alot faster also makes your hardware very scalable and stomps on sram ????

WiiU has a tri-core cpu with powerful cpu cache and it also suports out of order execution,not to mention clock for clock it destroys jaguar cores,it's why Moonlith say its powerful and so does Miyamoto and Team ninja,Criterion,Gearbox,Activi sion/Tryarch,Platinum,Shinen,e c t ect,devs that have worked on it ????? In fact Shinen are using lots of tesselation in their next game.....

[DonFreezer]

Shut your mouth ps drones.Enough is enough.Most of you are clueless and delusional elitists.It had ton of games?And that makes the specs to not matter?Why do you suddenly care about the specs?Why are you clowns talking about the ps4 witch is maybe 20% more powerful at max from the Xbox One.When the first Xbox was 130% more powerful. 130 f****** percent more powerful than your precious ps2. We almost all had a ps2 but to not see that games like Ninja Gaiden and Halo 2 could never have been made on the ps2 because of its hardware is pure delusional pro Sony riot.And let the Wii U out of the question. First release an rpg with the quality of Xenoblade 2 on the ps4 and then talk about the Wii U.

[Triforce079]

Your right X in graphics and scope is just way beyond Killzone ps4 as everything you see in X game world is real time open world......

[Gamer1982]

Sorry Reggie the differnce is PS2 had one thing.. MASS THIRD PARTY SUPPORT. Plus at the time it was future proof with a DVD player. The WiiU has a giant DS screen..

[Lovable]

Third Party developers LOVE the PS2 that's a fact. Wii U not so much...

[dbjj12088]

There were a ton of third-party games at PS2 launch too.

[FateoftheGame]

Depends on how you define "LOVE." I'm sure they loved the fact that games sold on the PS2 very well, but according to a developer interview in the most recent issue of Retro Gamer, the PS2 was kind of difficult to develop games for.

[Lovable]

Really? I thought the opposite. I thought the PS2 was very easy to develop games. hmm

[Roper316]

the emotion engine changed the easy development of the PS1 days when the PS2 came out. It just wasn't as drastic a learning curve as the cell was.

[InTheLab]

Yeah...well know fact that Sony intentionally made the PS2 difficult to dev for so studios would squander their budget on PS2 and so ports the the Xbox and GC would be sub par.

They tried to do the same thing with the PS3 but Xbox 360 ended up being lead platform on most games and very few studios wanted to blow a budget developing for PS3.

Sony was cutthroat during the PS2 era.

[NYC_Gamer]

Wii U doesn't have the software advantage that PS2 had over the other consoles

[DonFreezer]

Name one fps on the ps2 that matched Halo Combat Evolved or shut your mouth.

[acharlez]

Show me the games and I'll show you my love.

[dbjj12088]

Is that a euphemism?

[doctorstrange]

Wut

[LOL_WUT]

Lol

[InMyOpinion]

The PS2 was only slightly behind the Xbox in the graphics department. It's nothing like the Wii-U compared to the XB and the PS4 where a whole gen of technology sets them apart.

[AKR]

Not really. On paper - yes; but the Wii U outclasses the PS360 in every which way. If you took time to analyze it's known specs, you'd realize that despite being weakER - it's not weak.

[ABizzel1]

GPU: PS360 < Wii U
RAM: PS360 < Wii U

CPU: PS360 > Wii U
RAM Speeds: PS360 > Wii U

The Wii U doesn't "outclass the PS360 in every way". Outclass is a strong word to use, and is better used for PS4 / X1 outclassing Wii U in every way. Thankfully for Wii U it's better than the PS360 where it matters most (besides RAM Speed).

[InMyOpinion]

I meant the PS4 and the XB1. The Wii-U is slightly more powerful than the PS3, but there's not a generation of tech between them.

[GiggMan]

How dare you Reggie. I'm no WiiU hater by a long shot but don't you dare compare it to the PS2... Blasphemy.

[dbjj12088]

N4G is the Church of Sony these days :P

[plaZeHD]

Haha I know right? Say something negative about Sony or Sony related even if it's a fact, or say something positive about other companies or related again even if it's a fact. You get instant dislikes.
Oh yeah and the church part reminds me of this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[TrendyGamers]

The Reggienator.

[Abriael]

The difference: PS2 had TONS of games. Wii U has very few.

And that, my dear delusional reggie is a BIG difference.

[Firan]

Those tons of games didn't arrive for PS2 in a year. Although PS2 did get many great releases in it's first year unlike Wii U.

[insertcoin]

And it was all going so well with Reggie after buying all his stuff in Animal Crossing. Now I'm just lost for words.

[DivineAssault]

Give it up pal.. Wii U is in no way like PS2 was in its time.. It will never be like that either.. Not too many people were impressed with the E3 ND either so it might take more than those games shown to boost wii u sales.. However, if these games dont skyrocket wii u to the top, i doubt anything will.. I believe that the wii u will be a failure.. I own one & will buy the games i want for it like X & Bayo 2 but PS4 is going to be my primary machine & if i could only choose one, it would definitely be the PS4.. Plus, its only $50 more with way more storage than that deluxe 32GB! & PS4 has a controller that i will be using unlike the gamepad

[Qrphe]

That's a weak argument Reggie, the PS2 wasn't a whole gen behind the Xbox much less the Gamecube.

>In the end it comes down to the games.

So you're admitting defeat? Get those 3rd party devs quick and stop talking.

[EXVirtual]

I'm a fan of Nintendo and Sony. So all I have to say is: Nintendo, just focus on making great 1st party games and get the install base for the Wii U larger. Sure you'll get a watered down port here and there, but if you get a large install base, not a single company would say; Wii U is under powered. You'd just be getting game after game and probably quite a few 3rd party exclusives. That's what I think Sony is doing. They're focusing on 1st party to show devs that they have an install base and later on (2-3 years) lock the 3rd party exclusives. That's probably one of the main reasons they didn't lock KH3 or FFXV.

[EXVirtual]

Why the disagrees?

[SnipeySnake]

Don't mind it. Almost everyone on N4G are strict Sony fanboys so if they hear anything pro-nintendo you'll get mass disagree'd. I'm a fan of both Nintendo and Sony also.

I think everyone is holding back on buying a Wii U until Mario Kart 8 and SSBU comes out. I'm pretty sure there's gonna be a massive sales spike on April 2014, or even before this year ends because there's still Sonic Lost World, Super Mario 3D World, Wind Waker HD and Pikimin 3. There's also Bayonetta 2, Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze, X, and the new Zelda that they're working on.

Right now they're obviously mainly focusing on the 3DS with the massive line up of games for it. I'm guessing we'll be seeing even more game announcements sometime next year.

Another thing I like about the Wii U is that Nintendo is giving much more support for indie games. This will give the Wii U a bigger variety of fun and creative games that don't focus on having the most realistic graphics and gore with gunshots and explosions every 5 seconds.

I'm sure most of the people who hate on nintendo first party games have never even tried them because they don't look "mature" enough. It's really sad to see what the game industry has come to.

I'll be getting a PS4 for KH3, FFXV and MGS5 alone because nothing else interests me at the moment but I'm sure there will be lots of more games I'll want for the system soon.

[Jay70sgamer]

They can't handle the truth lol don't feel bad I wrote nintendo is the video game leader right now at this moment ...which is the truth ...nintendo has won the handheld and console market for the last 7 years ...and I got all disagrees when it's a fact and true ...even at this moment as we speak nintendo has almost a 4 million lead on xbox one and ps4 ...in this generation ..as we speak because neither system isnt even out yet ...the last time either playstation or xbox was the video game leader is almost 8 years ago ...that's a fact numbers don't lie

[acharlez]

The Wii U would need lots of compelling software to make his argument relevant.

[SmokingMonkey]

PS2 played dvd's too. Netflix is great on any system, but man these companies are getting desperate.

"but teh PS2 was underpowered too!"

"but teh comparing specs is "meaningless" !

[TongkatAli]

My PS2 can play Bible Black my Wii U can't : (

[Dark_Overlord]

I think the Wii U would die from a fatal error playing that XD

[NeXXXuS]

LOL

[AWBrawler]

don't ever mention that garbage again, and for the record Wii U can play that, My GF pulled it up on my browser just to laugh at the horrible dubbing

[WeAreLegion]

Not a fair comparison. At least the PS2 can play DVD's... -_-

[Prime_28]

Yes and if it didn't play dvd's do you think it would have sold as much?

[WeAreLegion]

No. However, I still think it would have been the market leader, even without DVD playback support.

[MadMen]

So basically it sounds like desperation

Poor Nintendo, they dug themselves in a hole that they thought would be fun

[Prime_28]

Yes, the richest gaming division in the world are desperate. Please think before you comment next time.

[MadMen]

That was a reference to saving the WiiU, not nintendo as a whole, stick to the article JACK.

Call me when the WiiU passes 50mil, so basically I know I will never get your call.

[LOL_WUT]

@Prime_28 stop being an apologist do you ever know when to give up? Reggie has made a fool of himself comparing the Wii U to the PS2 ;)

[urwifeminder]

I agree with him that ps2 was some weak sauce but was very successful none the less.

[McScroggz]

Nintendo just needs to stop. They have always been proud that they operated in their own bubble and are quick to point out that they don't pay attention to their competitor's, but now Reggie is trying to quantify the Wii U's position in the console "war" by comparing it to the PS2...

The Sega Dreamcast launched a year earlier and was $100 cheaper than the PS2. Why isn't Reggie comparing it to that? The Dreamcast actually had a great launch window, but then not many games. Again, very reminiscent of the Wii U.

The PS2 had, in my opinion, the best lineup of games in history because third party developers really began to be a prominent fixture this generation. Also, the PS2 had a built in DVD-ROM player. It is simply not an appropriate comparison to make Reggie.

Go back to your bubble before it bursts.

[MilkMan]

I agree 100% with Regis and not only him, but time and again lots of people have been saying that face melting power means jack sh!t.

What matters are the games and how fun they are to play. Nintendo is right, they have a big retention rate, there hardware is solid and they have some of the most successful and versatile IP's in the business.

They are on solid ground as long as they continue to make great games. I cant stop playing my 3DS and I love my WiiU, but I just need some more games for it. Thats all.

[Trago1337]

As delusional as Sony Fanboys are, this is true.

Nintendo's IP's have more mass appeal than Sony's, and they certainly sell more than Sony's franchises.

The big problem with the Wii U now is that there's nothing to play on it, and Nintendo has done Jack and Sh!t to market the thing.

The PS2 had a TERRIBLE launch, to the point that they dropped the price less than a year after it launched.

If the Wii U can do the same and keep that momentum of quality and diverse exclusive games, then the Wii U could sell gangbusters, that is if they can pull it off.

[DarkZane]

Not only the PS2 had a lots of games and third party support, but the difference in power between the PS2 and GC/Xbox wasn't as big as the PS4/X1 and the WiiU.

[sincitysir1]

Nothing will ever compare to ps2. Ever again. Those were the hay days of consoles. Wii u if a fine system but not enough whn you get one or 2 Great games a year that are made for that specific system. But it's a catch 22. U can't get great games until you sell more systems but u can't sell systems until you have more great games.

[gamerz]

I normally buy all the consoles but there's no way I'm paying next-gen prices for last-gen technology. Nintendo's been gettin' away with cheaping out on their hardware ever since the Game Cube but the spell is broken. The Wii U has no clothes!

[Spontogical]

PS2 had virtually all 3rd-party support.. at an exclusive level especially..

The Wii U has virtually zero. Isn't even getting titles that PS3 and 360 are getting, let alone PS4 and Xbone

[jairusmonillas]

Wii U is looking more like Gamecube 2.

[Trago1337]

What noteworthy games were released in the PS2's first year?

[Sadist3]

The Playstation brand only took off after the MetalGear 2, Devil May Cry, Final Fantasy X and Grand Theft Auto 3 army released in 2001. Grand Theft Auto alone pushed the PS brand, as that was the only system to play it on, and if anyone was old enough at that time, you all remember GTA was the be all and end all of games. So it really had no competition, as the GameCube was just coming out, there was no Xbox and the Nintendo 64 was its only competition (Dreamcast really didn't make a dent). Wii won't have that advantage because of lack of games. True, the playstation 2 was less powerful and didn't really offer anything besides better graphics but it had the games, which sells systems. And in reference to Reggie's comments about games selling a system, he's right. Power alone doesn't sell systems. Look at the PS3, which was actually a true next gen device (unlike the PS4 which offers nothing new except better graphics). The PS3 added keyboard support, blue ray, wifi, external hard drives,etc...all components that actually bring something new to the table (which I feel a little less excited about the PS4, cause in reality it brings nothing new except a flashing blue light), but the PS3 despite all of its next gen features didn't take off immediately. So he is right, power doesn't sell a system, games do. Which the wii doesn't have

[thomasmiller]

AMEN REGGIE!! WOW THE SONY AND MICROSOFT TROLLS ARE BURNING AT THE MOUTH... THE TRUTH HURTS DOESN'T IT??? OH WELL WHAT EVER HELPS THOSE IN FANTASY LAND SLEEP BETTER AT NIGHT!!

[AllyBhoy82]

I bought a Wii u on launch played it til New year haven't played it much since for obvious reasons NO GAMES!!! An I know that won't happen when my ps4 arrives

[buynit]

Well that was dumb reggie.. The ps2 had all the 3rd party support, it was the perfect storm..

I believe innuendo can do just fine with out 3rd part but i don't think they can dominate like the ps2 did with out it.

[deafdani]

I strongly disagree with Reggie here.

1. The PS2 was definitely weaker than the Cube and Xbox, true, but the gap in power wasn't as big as it is between the Wii U and the Xbox One and PS4. This time around, it's likely that it will be much harder to port games to Wii U than it was to port them to PS2.

2. The Wii example, while more close to the Wii U in terms of power gap, doesn't exactly apply here, either. Because the Wii was a phenomenon from the very day it launched, with stupidly strong sales that went on for several years before slowing down. In comparison, the Wii U had pretty strong launch sales, but after that, sales dropped off a cliff.

The Wii's massive appeal was because the Wii Remote was, as far as innovation go, pretty big, and immediately accesible to the casual public, a market that was yet untapped.

And while the Gamepad does actually bring a completely new experience to the table for home consoles, nowadays, the casual market is much harder to attract now, because they're split between many choices, be that Wii U, the first Wii, smartphone devices, Kinect, etc. The Wii was so successful because the casual market was just ripe for the taking, but now there's many more other contenders making things much harder for the Wii U.

So, it's pretty different scenarios, and I don't think you can actively compare the PS2 and Wii situations to the Wii U's because of the reasons explained above.

That being said, I don't think the Wii U will end up flopping. The Gamecube didn't flop, despite being the least successful console of its generation, as least where total sales numbers are pertained. And now, the gaming market is much bigger than it was back in the Gamecube/PS2/Xbox days, and I mean MUCH bigger. Just look how many consoles were sold on this generation alone: almost 100 million Wiis, and around 75 million PS3 and around 75 million Xbox 360s.

250 million consoles sold. That's a insane number, even if you take into account replacement consoles. :P

So, the market is there, enough for all three next gen consoles to thrive. I think it's highly unlikely that the Wii U will come close to Wii's numbers in total sales, because that console was lightning caught in a bottle, but overall, I expect Nintendo to do just fine with the Wii U, and I think it's also pretty probable that it will sell better than Gamecube numbers.

Sales will pick up once a good chunk of Nintendo's own big games come out, and that's going to start pretty soon: Super Luigi U is already out, and Pikmin 3, Wonderful 101, Donkey Kong Country, Wind Waker HD and Mario 3D World are all slated for release for THIS year... and next year we have Mario Kart 8, Monolith Soft's X, Bayonetta 2 and Smash Bros. That without counting several indie games and a few third party games coming out this year and next, as well.

TL;DR: Wii U will do just fine in the long run, but its situation can't really be compared to that of the PS2 and Wii.

[hakesterman]

The PS2 for it's time was awesome, it was breaking technology at the time. There is nothing new or advanced in the WII U, it was outdated before it was ever released. If Wii U would of been released in 2009 it might of had a chance, but it is Epic failure in today's environment.

[SKUD]

Its getting really tough for Reggie out there. Running on his last leg trying to promote first party titles and no real interesting third party titles to balance the Wii U game library.

[PSjesus]

less powerful yes but PS2 wasnt last gen comparing to Xbox1(the real one) or GC
also SOTC,GOW,Jak3 final fantasy X put any game on other consoles at that time in shame

[MNGamer-N]

Troll food article. I don't care how much power the WiiU has or doesn't have. I bought one because I like Nintendo games. I guess I'll get disagreed with for that though.

[Donnywho]

Next step is to recreate the success of Gran Turismo, GTA, and Final Fantasy. I think the easy part was having the inferior console but hey a starts a start.

[SuperSteve]

The PS2 had games, Reggie. LOTS of 'em.

[knifefight]

Games > graphics.

So now let's see some games.

[kupomogli]

The reason why the PS2 got away with having weaker hardware is there was actually a difference between it and prior consoles and it wasn't a massive amount weaker than the competitors.

Reggie. If the PS2 graphics were pushing slightly better than N64 graphics, then you'd have something to compare. What you're trying to compare though is apples and oranges rather than apples and apples. Completely different scenario.

[SonyPS4]

The Wii U can do fine with its hardware but it needs more 1st and 3rd party support. The 3DS is a fine example of that. Not so great hardware, but it has glasses-free 3D, a fast-growing userbase, strong 3rd party support, and way more 1st party support than the Wii U.

[Dagobert]

Nintendo developed games are the only good ones. Unfortunately Nintendo is not SNES good anymore.

[HardcoreDaBoss]

wii u gpu 500-600 gflops( was a spot on the gpu that no one knows what it is) It could be more. xbox one 800-900 glops (was underclocked from 1.2 tflops because of overheating issues). ps4 1.8 tflops ( don't know if sony lied about this). So ps4 should out perform both in the graphics. As long as developers don't make games maxed on wii u or xbone and port over to ps4. But I think only exclusives will show the power of each console.

[m2stech]

What an idiot, is he actually comparing performance between PS2 and GamCube to PS4 and WiiU ? the difference is not even close!

[Drainage]

ps2 owned the gc, its true reggie. just like the ps4 will own the wii u

[Jay70sgamer]

@drainage just like the wii wiped ps3 and xbox360 all over the floor .......currently nintendo is number one in handhelds and consoles did anybody even realize that ...that is a fact not an opinion and has done so over the last 7 years once again fact.... whether you wanna admit it or not so stop with the nintendo gloom until they are thrown off there horse ....they are the video game leaders and that's a fact ..... Sometimes the truth hurts and reality sets in .....dispute that ...numbers dont lie

[HardcoreDaBoss]

yeah and its sad that they did this with little 3rd party support. just think if they had more. just goes to show Nintendo 1st party dominates.

[Drainage]

terrible software sales and brand killing nintendo into a 'family , soccer mom/casual' company not a 'game company' . I would hardly call wii 'wiping the floor' with ps3/360.

You are right, numbers do not lie. Ps3 outsold the wii like 50x over in software and probably made wayy more profit at the end of the day, especially like i said the whole brand murder ; look at the poor wii u. And xbox live + 3rd parties killed the wii 'numbers' that you care about. have fun playing 3d land sequel with local mp only because nintendo has no online community because you are playing against soccer moms HA HA!

[Drainage]

@hardcoredaboss

nintendo 1st party didnt help the GC nor will it help rehabilitate the WiiU . not so dominating now huh, maybe it was the soccer mom gimmick and not the actual games LOL

[clouds5]

He is absolutely right about one thing: games will sell the system. That's how it's always been. Nothing that much on either ps4 or xb1 that interests me ATM. And for graphics I got a pc. Happy with wiiu+pc ps4 will only be an option if there are some really good games

[Hazmat13]

still waiting for BLACK 2 on PS3, or even PS4.

[jakmckratos]

I'm pretty certain the graphics on the PS2 were on par with the other systems. And if they weren't they were as blatantly behind the other systems as Wii was and now Wii U shall become.

There were never significant devs who flat out refused to do a game on the PS2 and only worked on the Xbox and GC like how it is today.

[NeoRatt]

The problem is that every console has to have some unique selling feature.

The problem is not the console per se. The problem is that there is nothing other than Nintendo exclusive franchises for you to buy a Wii U... No achievements/trophies, no AAA online gaming experience, no big additional media features, no Blu-ray, way less power than the other next gen consoles, and deteriorating 3rd party support. Also, Wii U failed to attract the casual market they gained with the original Wii.

It is a myriad of problems for Wii U... Not just the console power.

[Jamaicangmr]

The PS2 was less powerful but not on the margin that the Wii U is in comparison to the PS4 and X1. Plus the PS2 had losts of games so keep grasping at them straws Reggie.

[Tzuno]

What were they thinking there at Nintendo? Who the hell have taken the decision to make WiiU less powerful for next gen compared to other consoles? I can understand Nintendo from 10 years ago but these days people want serious games, hell look at The last of us. IMO they need to revive the 2D games to be loved again. Those 3D remakes make me puke. A solid 2D games library and good exclusive 3D on wiiu can lead them to the right path even with those specs. Just a opinion.

[SnipeySnake]

100% true. As long as there's a big quantity of fun games with a wider variety of genres, that console will succeed whether it's the most powerful or least powerful.

I feel sorry for anyone who thinks better hardware alone can win the generation. I just can't understand that kind of ignorant mentality. And this is coming from someone who buys both Sony and Nintendo consoles every gen.

[baraka007]

wiiu needs games nintendo

[Orionsangel]

Yeah,who needs power? All you need is a few core Nintendo titles and a cheap gimmick to sucker everyone in, well played Nintendo.

[worldwidegaming]

When the games come out the system will sell. No system can sell without quality games to support it. Graphics and power are meaningless as Apple has proven year after year.
Console LIKE graphics...lmao.

[Unlimax]

I still can't believe they own the Fatal Frame rights from Tecmo .. It was one of the most successful horror titles on the PS2 and it didn't see the light of day on other platforms with Nintendo "Exclusivity" !

[JohnS1313]

This is dumb. The PS2 was the most powerful console that generation. It was more complicated but better than the Xbox and Gamecube. Even if it was a little less powerful it was close to those consoles. The Wii U is closer to the PS3 and 360 than it is to the PS4 and Xbone.

[tigertron]

Wow, Reggie is stupid.

There's a difference between a slightly less powerful console with a huge library of games, than a console which is a whole generation less powerful than the incoming competition, which will have a much larger library of games and support from third parties.

[OwlEyes]

Reggie is right.

Exhibit one - Wii had less specs than the PS3/360, outsold them.
Exhibit two - DS had less specs than the PSP, outsold it by 70 million.
Exhibit three - 3DS had less specs than the Vita, outsold it by 20 million.

It's all about the games.

[just-joe]

How dare you show logic and facts. Nintendo is awful in everything they do and should go third party because I don't want to buy their dummy system rabble rabble rabble!

[Nodoze]

Nintendo needs to staff up and stop being so conservative. I am not saying they need to throw caution to the wind, but release the iron grip on those purse strings. I am shocked at how few offerings are presently on the WiiU. It was as if they had nothing in development for it and simply released the console to get a years 'head start'. That head start is not really playing out all that well because there are no core offerings.

Granted this is about to change with Mario, Mariokart 8 etc. Only this time it appears Nintendo is going it alone without 3rd parties.

I buy Nintendo consoles for the 1st party, but this is not true of everyone.

[iMaim]

But the WiiU doesn't have the games OR the hardware.

[Valkyre]

is this guy retarded?

No really , is he?

PS2 was never so much less powerfull than xbox, not to the same extent wiiu is compared to PS4 and xbone...

The difference between the new gen consoles and wiiu is MASSIVE, in no way as big as the difference between PS2 and xbox was.

[wheresmymonkey]

He doesn't even have to point to the ps2. Neither the 360 or ps3 have managed to catch up to the wii yet.

Likewise in the handheld market Nintendo have always had the less powerful machine and have always come out on top.

In terms of actual profitability as well Nintendo are in amuch better position. Sony and MS are going to have to sell a lot of games to recoup the hit that they are going to to take on the ps4 and xbone.

The WiiU becomes profitable after you buy one additonal game for it.