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Skulls of the Shogun dev on Microsoft Studios: 'Institutionally incompetent'

After the Xbox One reveal, we asked a handful of independent developers what they thought Microsoft said to them with the presentation: "It was sort of weird," was the overall summary. Before even that, we asked a larger handful of indies what they thought of Microsoft in the current generation, and received a mixed response.

colonel1793981d ago (Edited 3981d ago )

I don't get it. If there are a lot of developers complaining about Microsoft, why are there more third party exclusives (or timed exclusives) to Xbox consoles?

The only PlayStation third party exclusive left was Final Fantasy Versus XIII, which now has gone multiplatform. Yet, there is Titanfall, Dead Rising, etc for Xbox.

I hope that Sony is much more successful this generation. I want to see a PS third party exclusive to see if they really can make a game of the caliber of Naught Dog with PS hardware.

oof463980d ago

Not the first time it's happened and not the last.

http://www.penny-arcade.com...

ashade3981d ago

only indie get pawn by MS, in fact i feel like xbone is more for big publishers to play around

so if indie want to come in this party they have to find the publishers

Kiddcarter3981d ago (Edited 3981d ago )

Its called writing checks, Microsoft is paying for exclusives

http://www.gamesindustry.bi...

I honestly cant knock Microsoft for paying for games, i mean you do what you have to do to win, my issue is with the developers and studios who accept the checks, the worst offenders being insomniac games, who go multiplatform because they say they want to reach a bigger audience, then turn around and make a Xbox exclusive on a new system with no install base yet

Rockstar3980d ago

I have a feeling that game will not be a success either.

metsgaming3981d ago

Ms has way more money to moneyhat sony cant compete with them that way. So they have to be creative and choose wisely and do stuff that isnt a moneyhat. Simple things like policy changes and talking to people. Also potential moneyhat dollars they can invest and give freedom to their own studios who wont go multiplat in a year.

AngelicIceDiamond3981d ago (Edited 3981d ago )

@Colonel Well MS treats indies like like a mutated child thrown in the basement. But are open to third party. They throw checks and negotiation with Third party heavily.

Even more so there own first party studios. Indies are revolting and literally running away from MS and going to Sony.

Sony are treating devs almost perfect and want everybody including third party on board.

Sony is doing what Nintendo is failing at. Remember Sony didn't have great relationships with indies or third party early on this gen. But are making up for it this gen more than ever. I would say Nintendo needs to step it up but I think its too late Sony's beating them to the punch.

HammadTheBeast3981d ago

Because Sony owns way more of its own studios for First party titles, and is confident in them. Therefore, they-re not whipping out the wallet for small timed exclusives of games also coming on PC.

The Last of Us has rested my case.

GamersHeaven3980d ago

Timed exclusives is something microsoft invented they pay sh1t load of cash for a game to come on there platform first for a certain amount of time,they also like to trick and deceive gamer's by using the word EXCLUSIVE like they did at E3.

Mounce3980d ago

You think that because Microsoft has timed exclusives, means it has more Love? It's because it's in their contract...

as Jonathan Blow said, you have to have a publisher for indie gamers, you HAVE to pay THEM to have your game on their console and you have to forcibly accept that your game then is exclusive to microsoft and they take a chunk of your pay ontop of it all.

Microsoft is greedy and they cripple small-time publishers and ontop of all that? Well, even non-indie games had to be Timed-exclusives because as Scroticus puts. If it isn't in the contract then they would especially want a timed exclusivity just like Bioshock was, just like Mass Effect was, just like Oblivion was. SO MANY GAMES that just didn't go on PS3 until 'Later' not because PS3 sucked - but because Microsoft said "No, its on our console til we say so" sorta shit.

Developers have every right to hate Microsoft unless they're like, EA and Activision or Capcom because they're Giant and don't have to worry SO much about money/royalties.

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jonboi243981d ago

MS has some deep pockets to pay for exclusives. Sony not as much so to compensate they depend more on their relationships with developers and publishers.

AznGaara3981d ago

Actually I'd say to compensate they focus on their 1st party studios to deliver great exclusives.

first1NFANTRY3981d ago

End of the day real talent cannot be bought and Sony's first party devs have proven that time and time again.

creatchee3981d ago

I'm all for indies, but seriously - the LIVE independent section was partially good, but most of it was a bunch of either ripoffs of already released indies or simply crappy games. You really had to wade through a lot to find a decent title other than the already famous ones. Basically, it's the Apple App Store.

BitbyDeath3981d ago

Indie games should be cheaper nextgen since their are no longer any publishing costs attached.

oof463980d ago

On the Playstation side, you mean.

FITgamer3981d ago

It's not dead, just has cancer. Whether or not it's terminal we will have to wait for the test results.

Roper3163980d ago

Ms's doesn't have cancer, they are the cancer of the gaming industry.

FITgamer3980d ago

That's what i was saying the Xbone has caner which is M$. I guess i should of been more clear.

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Microsoft's Absurd Antics Have Me Scared For Dishonored And Arkane Lyon's Future

With Arkane Austin no more and Lyon living for who knows how long, the superb Dishonored is in serious danger; Microsoft cannot be trusted.

Relientk771d ago

I love the Dishonored series so much and really want Dishonored 3. Microsoft better not screw this up.

JEECE21h ago

I mean, I think the fans will probably kill Arkane Lyon by cooking up reasons to hate whatever they do next without playing it. I've never seen a game so artificially disliked as Deathloop.

thesoftware73021h ago

Lol, why don't we just say, we are worried about all studios owned by MS now. They will keep closing studios until they have none left ...🙄

Skuletor18h ago

Just merge them all into a single studio, have it churn out a single Call of Duty every year and call it a day, lol.

Barlos18h ago

Don't be scared, you'll be fine.

Skuletor18h ago

It's exputer, fine is one word I would not associate with them.

Profchaos17h ago

I think it's becoming clear based on matt bootys comments there's no future for any IP that can't sell above 10 million within the launch window. But is also a small game that gives them prestige

/S it's beyond a joke right now

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More Job Losses At Xbox, “There’s More To Come”: Paul Thurrott

Paul Thurrott in a recent episode commented on the on-going Microsoft fiasco hinting at more job losses and that "there's more to come".

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Sonic18813d ago (Edited 3d ago )

There won't be no more acquiring game publishers from Microsoft in the future . Xbox has to pay Microsoft back. It might take two decades to do that.

sagapo2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I don’t understand what you’re saying. Xbox IS microsoft so there’s no “paying back “.
And MS gross profit in 2023 was over 140 billion dollars so forget your 2 decades.

Unless you mean the money MS invested in Xbox (acquisitions included) and the time it will take for xbox as a brand to gain that money back on it’s own, then yeah, that could take a while.

romulus232d ago

The better term to use might be return on investment, xbox is simply a division of Microsoft one that MS can easily do away with if profit margins are not met. So in that regard he's right, if xbox isn't showing the expected return on investment the higher ups are expecting than it's unlikely Microsoft will acquire any other studios any time soon, especially if they are spending billions buying developers just to shut them down in the end.

MrBaskerville2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Xbox is a division that they discussed shutting down but doubled down on after Gamepass was pitched.

It needs to make money at some point. Big money.

rokos2d ago

According to Statista the net income of Microsoft is about $72.4 billion dollars which is a bit lower than last year profit. That is almost as much as Activision's acquisition but I assume that would be a one off since it costs so much plus I see how their focus has been shifted to AI, thus any major future investments will probably be in that area.

Markusb332d ago

i think you are really missing the point

VariantAEC1d 20h ago

@romulus23
That is not why MS buys studios. They might continue to buy because it's about taking that sweet sweet IP out of the corporate husks of their acquisitions.

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SonyStyled2d ago

“There won't be no more acquiring game publishers from Microsoft in the future”

No bro, there do be is for Microsoft not acquiring for what is now if not what it be is 😂

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ChasterMies2d ago

Xbox isn’t a separate company from Microsoft. It’s all Microsoft.

Abear212d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Let’s be real, this is the media spinning all the acquisitions and liquidations of said developers and spinning it to make M$ the villain.

This was bound to happen, a bigger slice of pie and cut costs, when the games come they stand to make more and that’s their agenda—it was the writing on the wall when the sales went through and legally all those who approved the sale and mergers knew this would happen.

Snowflakes need to realize business is ugly and you can cry all you want but this is how capitalism works. And it works.

That said, M$ needs to steer the narrative and grab hold of all this, make their plans known, hype the hell out of all those dead IP’s they plan to revive, and be honest about the timeline. This is likely to involve mobile and IP on other consoles, and most people realize that.

The problem is this company is incapable of being transparent and seems to often want to dissuade and confuse is customer base. The lack of E3 has hurt Microsoft and I don’t think they know how to properly or effectively market their brand anymore.

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jwillj2k43d ago

There really needs to be a class action lawsuit here. You buy these companies just to put people out of jobs. And it’s not like something happened to derail their plans this WAS the plan. Microsoft has no business in this space at all.

franwex3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Microsoft has been doing this for years. They simply want the IPs. Look at Nokia. Look at Skype. This time it simply expanded to games. Gaming is not as important to Microsoft’s executives as it was to the founders too. Bill Gates was willing to sell the og Xbox at a loss. Steve Balmer approved the red ring of death fiasco. This CEO isn’t really a gamer.

-Foxtrot3d ago

Maybe it's time though to put a stop to it and use a big giant like Microsoft as a huge example to the rest of these big companies.

There has to be a line drawn somewhere.

People like the FTC and the like went against Microsoft yet their Actvision deal was still allowed to go through yet look what's happened...it's not even Acitivisions studios aswell, it's Bethesdas.

VariantAEC1d 20h ago

Years?

Try several decades, and in the gaming space 2.3 decades.

Jon615862d ago

You do realize this happens in ALL industries? Or are you just saying this because it is Microsoft? In any case I feel for those that are being let go but the trch industry is suffering right now.

jwillj2k42d ago (Edited 2d ago )

This absolutely does NOT happen all the time. Let me know the last time 1 company with a terrible product track record spent 100 billion onto acquire MULTIPLE successful companies in under a year only to shut them down and stop making their products regardless of how successful they were. Not merge them, completely shut them down.

And you can’t use Microsoft in your example.

Notellin2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Class action lawsuit? The law is on their side and protects them at all costs. There are no rules to protect the people at the bottom.

jwillj2k42d ago

Not true when it comes to mass layoff do your research.

RNTody3d ago

Ninja Theory, Perfect Dark, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, Wolfenstein 3, Dishonored, Prey, Doom, Quake... something tells me that bad things are going to happen to these entities under Microsoft.

MrDead2d ago

ID software, the makers of Doom and Wolfenstein that have been with us since 1991 could be gone and MS will keep the IPs.

I hope some of these studios can buy their freedom from MS otherwise this is going to be even more devastating for the industry and gamers.

Yui_Suzumiya2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

That's exactly what I'm worried about. I've been a fan of id since Wolfenstein 3D and I'm honestly afraid.

lodossrage2d ago

Toys for Bob saw the writing on the wall and bought themselves out.

Wouldn't be the first time a company did that under MS either. Bungie and Twisted Pixel did the same. Considering what just happened, I can see some other devs trying to buy themselves out too.

anast3d ago

Good thing the bosses of all those small studios made their money.

glenn19792d ago

they cant do it right now they will get burned

XiNatsuDragnel2d ago

Phil and his team need to be gone

lodossrage2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Won't make a difference.

The whole structure needs to be overhauled. Anyone that replaces Phil will be no different than him, Mattrick, or anyone else.

Until the company changes how they go about business, nothing will change

glenn19792d ago

I just don't have any idea what they would do , they have done sooo much damage on their xbox brand, they have a show at July or June I think, but will it even matter even they show amazing games, idkn

lodossrage2d ago

True,

But they may as well get it over with. Whether it happens now or later, the burning is going to hit the same.

Reality is the ONE move that can alleviate a lot of this is the one move they can't make. Remove day 1 from gamepass.

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Microsoft Opening Xbox Mobile Game Store in July

The Xbox brand is expanding, as an Xbox mobile game store is opening this coming July where Microsoft will brings its "first-party portfolio."

Jin_Sakai4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

“Bond adds that they will start on the web”

This will go nowhere.

Nice knowing you Xbox. This is what happens when the house never gets cleaned.

MrDead4d ago

The only this MS is expanding is the amount of feculence it sprays on everyone who just want to enjoy gaming and make games.

The best thing MS can do for the gaming industry is leave and never return.

XiNatsuDragnel4d ago

Good luck with this even it might not succeed.

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