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Microsoft Alienates A Third Of 360 Owners With Xbox One Policies

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We're not going to beat a dead horse. We, along with the entire game industry before and during E3 heard you loud and clear—you aren't a fan of Microsoft's used game and DRM stance they're taking with the Xbox One. But we have to wonder, why Microsoft would simply pass on over 33% of their current Xbox 360 install base users who currently only play games offline.

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TrendyGamers4395d ago

Not to mention the countries that won't even support it.

liorishot4395d ago

lol most of the countries cant even buy it because it wont even work fail

NewMonday4395d ago

the funny thing is a very big share of Xbox fans in my country are big fanboys who want the XB1 despite the problems..but it's not supported!

LOL!

dcbronco4395d ago (Edited 4395d ago )

Couple of brilliant observations. The funny thing about those countries that don't have much broadband also have major problems providing electricity. So unless Sony has some magic power source, and I know you believe they do, the PS4 will have issues there also.

Funny thing is that many of those country have smartphone service. And since that can be used to check in, Sony doesn't necessarily have any advantage.

And do you geniuses think Xbox will never come to those other countries. It will probably make it there around the time the PS4 gets sold in those markets.

Oh, lol.

InTheLab4395d ago

@dcbronco

Your logic is flawed. The 360 is available in quite a few countries not supported by Xbox One. Power is not an issue there. To this day, there's still a few countries where PS3's are sold where 360s are not.

Blakhaze9994395d ago

@dcbronco

What? Honestly you sound like you are from one of those countries without internet. Your talking about using cell phones as hotspots in areas that you say may not even have electricity. Are you ok? And then you are saying that sony does not have the advantage because xbox users can just use their cell phones to check in. Uhhh I would call that a huge advantage to sony. Either you get a xbox one, use your data plan from your cell phone so your able to play your video game console.. OR get a ps4 and have no worries at all. Your right theres no advantage there. SMH! And 2. where did you hear that most countries which dont have internet also do not have electricity? Im pretty sure your wrong about that. Electricity is more common then internet. And those without electricity are not worrying about a video game console at all i assure you.

ShinMaster4395d ago

You make Xbox gamers look bad. How could you be so deluded.

http://i.imgur.com/vfRwPu7....
The PS3 was supported in more countries than the 360 no problem. And just like the PS3, the PS4 can go completely offline. No internet connection required.
Even the 360 was supported in a lot more countries than the Xbox One will be. All because of Microsoft's policies.

pixelsword4395d ago

Both Sony and Microsoft have people who feel Alienated...

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Christopher4395d ago

You know, that whole "one third" figure is way out of line. Just because a person doesn't have an XBL Gold Membership doesn't mean they can't have a console that's connected all the time. Just means they don't use online features on their 360.

Just wanted to put that out there after seeing it used so often.

Anon19744395d ago

I agree this isn't necessarily the case, but it is in line with high speed internet usage in the US. A third, or about 100 million people in the US don't have high speed internet for a variety of reasons. Given this was the 360's biggest market, even if the "one third" figure is off, it's probably not off by much.

And we're not talking about just gold memberships here, that one third figure is all Xbox Live members. It certainly correlates to high speed internet usage figures that we see in general. Regardless, when you're looking at the US market as a whole, that's one third who simply can't use your product. That's not insignificant.

Perjoss4395d ago

true, but you can also argue that if those people didnt pay for Live before why on earth would they pay for Live on the One when it has far more restriction in place. They would be paying for an inferior service compared to current Live which has none of the new restrictions.

loulou4395d ago

agreed darkride. 33% if true is too high a percentage to ignore.

they still have 5 months or a bit less to get their stuff in order before launch.

i cant believe that they are not looking at the pre-order numbers with dread. to carry on regardless will relegate them to xbox original type sales over the next generation..

surely they most know this?? change that firmware m$, and announce it ffs. oh and drop a bit off of the price as well

Christopher4395d ago

***true, but you can also argue that if those people didnt pay for Live before why on earth would they pay for Live on the One***

You don't need a Live subscription to use an Xbox One the same way you would an Xbox 360.

dedicatedtogamers4395d ago

The numbers break down like this (roughly)

1/3rd of 360 owners are not online (whether they CAN be online is another story)

1/3rd of 360 owners are Silver

1/3rd are Gold.

So, while 2/3rds are online, only a third are Gold subscribers.

But the numbers don't really matter. Microsoft has a much better idea - internally - who is connected and how often, but the public numbers we have don't tell us how often those Silver and Gold subscriptions go online, how often they go offline, how long they're offline, etc.

thebudgetgamer4395d ago (Edited 4395d ago )

There was an article in 2010 that reported that amount of 360's were never connected to the internet at all.

http://www.ps3blog.net/2010...

lomion54395d ago

While that's a fair point, those people will now have to pay for live to use their new Xbox one. Which they only use offine. Paying for a service you don't use may not be something those buyers want. Alternatively, who knows, maybe some of them will end up using it now that they have to have it. I have to think those people are a small minority though.

rainslacker4395d ago (Edited 4395d ago )

Did MS confirm you have to pay for live to use the Xbox One? I would imagine they would still have a silver tiered membership for those that don't want to pay for Live. This would allow them to still update on their 24-hour check in.

born2live4395d ago

@cgoodno

You forget that, of the 76 M consoles sold, many were bought more than once by the same users, due to the 360 being a defective piece of crap (I had to buy 3, and 2 of them were replaced during the warranty period!). Not enough data and numbers are made to say things that they don't say - pretty bad article overall.

Christopher4395d ago (Edited 4395d ago )

***You forget that, of the 76 M consoles sold, many were bought more than once by the same users, due to the 360 being a defective piece of crap***

Which doesn't matter since the figures being used are based on Xbox accounts, not number of xbox 360s out there.

***Did MS confirm you have to pay for live to use the Xbox One?***

XBL sub is only required for doing what you would normally have to pay on 360. You don't need Live to play all games on a single console. It is undetermined if you will need Live to download and play your games from a friend's house (via your login) or if Family sharing requires XBL sub.

born2live4395d ago (Edited 4395d ago )

@cgoodno

"***You forget that, of the 76 M consoles sold, many were bought more than once by the same users, due to the 360 being a defective piece of crap***

Which doesn't matter since the figures being used are based on Xbox accounts, not number of xbox 360s out there"

The article compares the number of consoles sold worldwide (76 M) vs the number of gold accounts (48 M) and determines very unscientifically that 2/3 of the xbox players have a gold account. Re-buyers - because I assume this time it won't be as defective as the last one - will affect the overall proportion of the number of xbox gamers worldwide vs the ones that have a gold account. They are probably losing about 10%-15% of their userbase.

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sinjonezp4395d ago

Could this console be a complete failure before it is released? Would Microsoft let go of its pride and pull the plug on this catastrophe? Would Microsoft continue to drain billions and billions of dollars to invest in something 3/4 of the consumer base do not want? As a gamer, what do we really want? Do we want them to control our gaming for us? Do we want DRM? Do we want an always on kinect and internet? If the answer is no - majority, why won't Microsoft make adjustments? What do everyone think would be the perfect scenario for Microsoft to be successful? Someone sound off and e-mail it to Microsoft.

Simco8764395d ago

That will get'em!

You make change with your wallet...don't buy the Xbone and you will send a message.

The_KELRaTH4395d ago

I don't think they're listening or they would have asked about Win 8, their phone OS too.
It seems its the "only we KNOW best" and the rest of us are expected to heel into line.

Just fortunate there's a few other choices out there as I really enjoy my gaming periods.

Perjoss4395d ago

I agree with Simco876.

I have a massive collection of 360 games, none of the new restrictions affect me, I never but 2nd hand I never trade in and I'm always online, but I will not be buying a One just on principle, I think it is very anti consumer and I've always liked the idea of building a games collection that is mine forever, not just for the duration that the authentication servers will be online for.

no thank you, there will be more than enough games on PS4, PC and WiiU.

Trekster_Gamer4395d ago

I totally agree!
Another thing is people are saying maybe they will do an about face or there is enough time for them to reverse course. I think every day really counts, I have already given up on them and pre-ordered a PS4 and even if they supposedly try to save face it is too little too late for me. I have paid for gold since 2007 and now I am going to be happy to become a PS+ member.

shinrock4395d ago

PS fanboys make up 3/4? I don't know that.the for informing Mr I see into everyone's soul.

rainslacker4395d ago

I agree with what you say, but just to play devil's advocate here.

MS has plans for the X1. Things we probably know nothing about. When it comes to corporate mentality, a plan is put in place to achieve a certain goal.

If their goal is to be a strong gaming machine then they would reevaluate their plans based on all the things you mentioned. If their goal is to be a all in one media center that plays games that they can control the market on, then what they have planned now is what they feel is the best approach.

They may reevaluate their plans, but probably only in the sense of how to market it to the public. Corporations often don't change their policies until they show without doubt that they aren't working to achieve their desired goal. When money is on the line, they may refocus the product in order to achieve their overall goal.

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NextGen24Gamer4395d ago

Okay let's get some facts straight!

46 million xbox live users

76 million xbox 360 consoles sold

of the 30 million xbox 360 owners who don't have xbox live, we have no idea how many don't have internet.

My nephew for example. He lives in Atlanta and his mom, my sister, has internet but won't let him play online. He is only 10 yrs old.

I would bet that many of the xbox 360's that don't subscribe to xbox live have access to internet, but like my sister, doesn't use the xbox live.

For people like my sister, she still wouldn't need to get xbox live to use the xbox one. The console just needs to be connected to her internet via Wi-Fi just like her cell phone & tablet.

People are acting like it's a bigger deal than it actually is.

The only people that MS is leaving behind are the people with absolutely NO ACCESS to internet. Those people wouldn't benefit from the unique features of the next generation of gaming anyway.

It's like people complaining when a new cell phone comes out but the area they live in has no cell phone signal. Well, the cell phone isn't for you buddy.

It's life. I commend MS for pushing forward into the future. Someone has to do it. The benefits far outway the negatives and people will understand sooner than later.

I'm super excited! November can't come fast enough!!!!!!!

NextGen24Gamer4395d ago

Proof that the xbox one is for the future and not the current or past is the fact that you have to have an HD Television in order to use the xbox one. No one is complaining about the small percentage of people in rural countries who don't even have an HD television. LOL...It's the same exact thing.

HD Television and Internet is required to enjoy the future of gaming...XBOX ONE!

If you don't have an HD TV or Internet, buy the Ps4.

Xbox One can do 4K or otherwise called Ultra HD for games and the Ps4 CANNOT!

You pay an extra $100 for a true next gen console that's not looking back but moving forward.

tigertom534395d ago

360 did support many countries and expanded after release...

cannon88004395d ago

I've been a loyal playstation gamer since psone and I was actually interested in purchasing the new xbox, but now there's no way I'll even consider buying it. I'd rather have Pinocchio stick his hose up my butthole and tell me lies then getting an xbox one.

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Excalibur4395d ago

Reading comments here,other gaming sites, FB,Twitter and even Yahoo news fro crips sake it seems more like 3/4 of it's 360 users, myself being one of them.

MariaHelFutura4395d ago

Yep. 1/3rd sounds low. It doesn't take long to find disgruntled Xbox fans, anywhere social activities are available.

jmc88884395d ago

The sad thing is that all the places they're bitching that was mentioned above...are just as guilty as spying on you as Microsoft.

Steam just scored a flawless victory on MS, and showed how you don't need system wide DRM check-ins in order to share games.

Microsoft has no clothes.

Walker4395d ago

There is no difference, no innovations ! meh

maniacmayhem4395d ago

I wouldn't say all that. It had just as many great features as the PS4 did.

MariaHelFutura4395d ago

and really bad ones the PS4 doesn't. Namely DRM, A forced camera, having to check in and not working anywhere in the world. All of these things, detract from the "innovation" it does have.

jmc88884395d ago

Not to mention, none of those drawbacks were necessary to implement any of their 'features'.

Steam game sharing >>>> Xbox One sharing

Polysix4395d ago (Edited 4395d ago )

It will also have the worst versions of multiplatform games because it's just simply not as powerful as the PS4. A fact time will prove.

FantasyStar4395d ago

Talk about beating a dead horse....

maniacmayhem4395d ago

Yes they are. Introducing too many restrictions all up front was not a good idea.

No one wants to see a new and improved product with a bunch of "can't do's" that didn't appear on the older version.

Very bad on MS's part.

B1663r4395d ago

Not having to have a disk in the drive is a restriction? You've got it backwards buddy.

Having to change disk every time you want to play a different game is the restriction...

maniacmayhem4395d ago

But because of this feature now I can't rent a game from gamefly or Redbox.

This feature would have been great going from whatever disk you currently have in your X1 to any digital game to the TV or app. I would gladly take this if it meant I could still do what I have been doing for the 360.

Why o why4395d ago

That type of attitude makes me think of the well known idiom. One step forward, twos steps back

jmc88884395d ago

You do realize that they could have implemented that feature without the system wide DRM check-in right?

So why did they needlessly restrict you?

Steam just blew Microsoft out of the water. They just said, your secret sauce is crap. THIS is how you share games M$.

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Xbox Mass layoffs Are Expected To Hit On July 2, 2025

The previously rumored mass layoffs at Xbox are expected to happen on Wednesday, July 2, 2025, according to a new rumor.

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lukasmain7h ago(Edited 7h ago)

They will have fired close to 20,000 people all up after this round of lay-offs coming, since the ABK deal announcement in January 2022. Shocking really

January 2023:
Microsoft laid off 10,000 employees, which was a significant workforce reduction.

January 2024:
Approximately 1,900 gaming employees were laid off following the Activision Blizzard acquisition.

May 2025:
Microsoft announced a further 6,000 layoffs as part of an organizational shift.

June 2025:
Additional layoffs, including 650 in the gaming business, focused on corporate and support functions

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Obscure_Observer6h ago

"They will have fired close to 20,000 people all up after this round of lay-offs coming, since the ABK deal announcement in January 2022. Shocking really"

It's not that shocking considering these numbers aren't just Xbox numbers as you're deliberately trying to make it seem for some reason.

Interestingly, another no shocking fact is that whenever Microsoft releases its quarterly earnings reports, you're quick to point out that those numbers aren't exclusive to Xbox. Yeah... go figure.

Ganif3h ago

They also fired around 2500 people across Microsoft's gaming divisions and Zenimax shortly after buying it, and before they closed down 4 studios including Arkane and Tango.

I remember Satya boasting about how compassionate he was for splitting the list 50/50 across the two companies.

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Obscure_Observer1h ago

"They also fired around 2500 people across Microsoft's gaming divisions and Zenimax shortly after buying it"

Bring your sources. I´ll wait.

Hereandthere4h ago

Let's hope its not as bad as socials are making it, good luck to those that unfortunately lose their jobs.

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Lightning773h ago

Could be not as bad could be horrible. But it's Ms so I'm expecting the absolute worst.

-Foxtrot3h ago

Sometimes I feel like they brought in Sarah to take the heat away from Phil.

Phil has always stuck his nose into everything Xbox related when it's something positive or at least neutral but as soon as they went the multiplatform root he's stood back and let Sarah do most of the talking in terms of PR. Now they are doing the same with layoffs.

The person who should be let go is Phil himself.

RhinoGamer881h ago

Phil and his inner circle of circle jerk bros like AG.

Obscure_Observer50m ago

"Phil has always stuck his nose into everything Xbox related when it's something positive or at least neutral but as soon as they went the multiplatform root he's stood back and let Sarah do most of the talking in terms of PR. Now they are doing the same with layoffs."

You have no idea what you´re talking about.

*IF* Microsoft decides to address the upcoming layoffs, Matt Booty will be the one in the spotlight since he is the president of XGS.

Phil will probably be on some bs drama later doing interviews telling people how "devastated" and "sorry" he is for those affected while wiping away his tears with money.

Sarah is the President of Xbox (hardware) so she will be better off taking care of hers business and let both Matt and Phil face the backlash.

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‘I think Xbox hardware is dead’, says Microsoft gaming veteran

One of the founding members of the Xbox team has questioned Microsoft’s multiplatform gaming strategy, and said they believe the Xbox hardware business is effectively “dead"

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Goodguy012d ago

Think that rumor that they'll still make a new console but at a profit at $1000 will be true though. The series consoles will remain their cheap alternative throughout next gen I would say. Keep in mind that game pass and pretty much going 3rd party is their main focus. They want to bring xbox everywhere.

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GamerRN1d 7h ago

If they don't maintain some kind of console presence, I think they will lose gamepass subscribers and just become a 3rd party publisher who eventually sells everything off

Cacabunga1d 6h ago

Xbox games are releasing on all platforms. Who needs this hardware? PS or PC is all you need

Flewid6381d 5h ago

I've never owned an Xbox in my life and I have GamePass.

thorstein1d 4h ago

The only Xbox I owned was the 360. I have gamepass for my PC.

GamerRN23h ago

Majority of Gamepass users are currently on console...

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crazyCoconuts1d 5h ago

Even if they could get it down to $800 for a box that can run with comparable performance to a PS6 (at, say $200 cheaper) the population of people willing to buy such a thing would be so limited.
It would be the worst of both worlds.

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Futureshark1d 16h ago

A slow, painful and public death too.

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Looming Xbox layoffs threaten Microsoft's reputation

Even as the company sets out to overhaul the very definition of Xbox, cuts at its studios risk creating a negative image reminiscent of EA's worst era

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Jingsing4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

I appreciate the article but this guy must be living in a delayed universe, The reputation was ruined 10+ years ago and hasn't recovered since. As such people have voted with their wallets and stopped buying Xbox products in large amounts.

YourMommySpoils3d ago

Their reputation was lost way before that. From the moment Microsoft said they entering the console business, we all knew it would be a downgrade.

Bathyj2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

That's not true at all the OG Xbox had drive and they had hunger and they wanted to accomplish something. It was a great console.

they didn't quite reach their goals and they gave up prematurely because they couldn't win. It was halfway through the Xbox 360 when kinect released and that was when they lost their way and we're a rudderless ship ever since

Agent752d ago

In all fairness, Xbox had some great games with online play, Xbox 360 even better. Xbox consoles started to die with the Xbox One. Ditch consoles for the PC and PS.

YourMommySpoils2d ago

@Bathyj hard to compute ay. Xbox was never better than a PC and that's all they ever were. A demo box. Doesn't get more true than that.

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isarai4d ago

What reputation is this threatening exactly? 😂

Lightning774d ago

Rumors of Turn 10 being either shut down or hit with massive lay offs is on the horizon.

The issue is MS will do something right only to do something very, very wrong. And they do this what seems calculative at this point. Doesn't matter what they do the Investors and leadership want more and more money an endless bottomless pit of purr insatiable greed. A company that acts like it's broke or hurting is what really, really infuriates me. They've surpassed apple again well over 3 trillion who acts like they're a million dollar company is fk stupid. Pivots and changes for no reason and can't do things for more than a year with out a pivot or changing their metrics.

Christopher3d ago

That would be really bad since Phil just hyped up next year as a big Forza year at Summer Game Fest.

1Victor3d ago

@christopher: “ That would be really bad since Phil just hyped up next year as a big Forza year at Summer Game Fest”
The key word big can be ether good or bad 🤷🏿only time can tell

DarXyde3d ago

First Forza being generated entirely via AI?

If any company would do it, it'd be them.

Nacho_Z2d ago

Isn't the point that it's irrelevant how profitable MS is, the suits have decided it's time that the Xbox division started making them money. Hence the layoffs, the pivots.

hennessey862d ago

That wouldn't surprise me, as motorsport has been heading down hill since the great number 4. Where as playground have consistently put out better games. I think the two studios will be merged under playground games banner.

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