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Microsoft Alienates A Third Of 360 Owners With Xbox One Policies

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We're not going to beat a dead horse. We, along with the entire game industry before and during E3 heard you loud and clear—you aren't a fan of Microsoft's used game and DRM stance they're taking with the Xbox One. But we have to wonder, why Microsoft would simply pass on over 33% of their current Xbox 360 install base users who currently only play games offline.

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TrendyGamers3981d ago

Not to mention the countries that won't even support it.

liorishot3981d ago

lol most of the countries cant even buy it because it wont even work fail

NewMonday3981d ago

the funny thing is a very big share of Xbox fans in my country are big fanboys who want the XB1 despite the problems..but it's not supported!

LOL!

dcbronco3981d ago (Edited 3981d ago )

Couple of brilliant observations. The funny thing about those countries that don't have much broadband also have major problems providing electricity. So unless Sony has some magic power source, and I know you believe they do, the PS4 will have issues there also.

Funny thing is that many of those country have smartphone service. And since that can be used to check in, Sony doesn't necessarily have any advantage.

And do you geniuses think Xbox will never come to those other countries. It will probably make it there around the time the PS4 gets sold in those markets.

Oh, lol.

InTheLab3981d ago

@dcbronco

Your logic is flawed. The 360 is available in quite a few countries not supported by Xbox One. Power is not an issue there. To this day, there's still a few countries where PS3's are sold where 360s are not.

Blakhaze9993981d ago

@dcbronco

What? Honestly you sound like you are from one of those countries without internet. Your talking about using cell phones as hotspots in areas that you say may not even have electricity. Are you ok? And then you are saying that sony does not have the advantage because xbox users can just use their cell phones to check in. Uhhh I would call that a huge advantage to sony. Either you get a xbox one, use your data plan from your cell phone so your able to play your video game console.. OR get a ps4 and have no worries at all. Your right theres no advantage there. SMH! And 2. where did you hear that most countries which dont have internet also do not have electricity? Im pretty sure your wrong about that. Electricity is more common then internet. And those without electricity are not worrying about a video game console at all i assure you.

ShinMaster3981d ago

You make Xbox gamers look bad. How could you be so deluded.

http://i.imgur.com/vfRwPu7....
The PS3 was supported in more countries than the 360 no problem. And just like the PS3, the PS4 can go completely offline. No internet connection required.
Even the 360 was supported in a lot more countries than the Xbox One will be. All because of Microsoft's policies.

pixelsword3981d ago

Both Sony and Microsoft have people who feel Alienated...

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Christopher3981d ago

You know, that whole "one third" figure is way out of line. Just because a person doesn't have an XBL Gold Membership doesn't mean they can't have a console that's connected all the time. Just means they don't use online features on their 360.

Just wanted to put that out there after seeing it used so often.

Anon19743981d ago

I agree this isn't necessarily the case, but it is in line with high speed internet usage in the US. A third, or about 100 million people in the US don't have high speed internet for a variety of reasons. Given this was the 360's biggest market, even if the "one third" figure is off, it's probably not off by much.

And we're not talking about just gold memberships here, that one third figure is all Xbox Live members. It certainly correlates to high speed internet usage figures that we see in general. Regardless, when you're looking at the US market as a whole, that's one third who simply can't use your product. That's not insignificant.

Perjoss3981d ago

true, but you can also argue that if those people didnt pay for Live before why on earth would they pay for Live on the One when it has far more restriction in place. They would be paying for an inferior service compared to current Live which has none of the new restrictions.

loulou3981d ago

agreed darkride. 33% if true is too high a percentage to ignore.

they still have 5 months or a bit less to get their stuff in order before launch.

i cant believe that they are not looking at the pre-order numbers with dread. to carry on regardless will relegate them to xbox original type sales over the next generation..

surely they most know this?? change that firmware m$, and announce it ffs. oh and drop a bit off of the price as well

Christopher3981d ago

***true, but you can also argue that if those people didnt pay for Live before why on earth would they pay for Live on the One***

You don't need a Live subscription to use an Xbox One the same way you would an Xbox 360.

dedicatedtogamers3981d ago

The numbers break down like this (roughly)

1/3rd of 360 owners are not online (whether they CAN be online is another story)

1/3rd of 360 owners are Silver

1/3rd are Gold.

So, while 2/3rds are online, only a third are Gold subscribers.

But the numbers don't really matter. Microsoft has a much better idea - internally - who is connected and how often, but the public numbers we have don't tell us how often those Silver and Gold subscriptions go online, how often they go offline, how long they're offline, etc.

thebudgetgamer3981d ago (Edited 3981d ago )

There was an article in 2010 that reported that amount of 360's were never connected to the internet at all.

http://www.ps3blog.net/2010...

lomion53981d ago

While that's a fair point, those people will now have to pay for live to use their new Xbox one. Which they only use offine. Paying for a service you don't use may not be something those buyers want. Alternatively, who knows, maybe some of them will end up using it now that they have to have it. I have to think those people are a small minority though.

rainslacker3981d ago (Edited 3981d ago )

Did MS confirm you have to pay for live to use the Xbox One? I would imagine they would still have a silver tiered membership for those that don't want to pay for Live. This would allow them to still update on their 24-hour check in.

born2live3981d ago

@cgoodno

You forget that, of the 76 M consoles sold, many were bought more than once by the same users, due to the 360 being a defective piece of crap (I had to buy 3, and 2 of them were replaced during the warranty period!). Not enough data and numbers are made to say things that they don't say - pretty bad article overall.

Christopher3981d ago (Edited 3981d ago )

***You forget that, of the 76 M consoles sold, many were bought more than once by the same users, due to the 360 being a defective piece of crap***

Which doesn't matter since the figures being used are based on Xbox accounts, not number of xbox 360s out there.

***Did MS confirm you have to pay for live to use the Xbox One?***

XBL sub is only required for doing what you would normally have to pay on 360. You don't need Live to play all games on a single console. It is undetermined if you will need Live to download and play your games from a friend's house (via your login) or if Family sharing requires XBL sub.

born2live3981d ago (Edited 3981d ago )

@cgoodno

"***You forget that, of the 76 M consoles sold, many were bought more than once by the same users, due to the 360 being a defective piece of crap***

Which doesn't matter since the figures being used are based on Xbox accounts, not number of xbox 360s out there"

The article compares the number of consoles sold worldwide (76 M) vs the number of gold accounts (48 M) and determines very unscientifically that 2/3 of the xbox players have a gold account. Re-buyers - because I assume this time it won't be as defective as the last one - will affect the overall proportion of the number of xbox gamers worldwide vs the ones that have a gold account. They are probably losing about 10%-15% of their userbase.

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sinjonezp3981d ago

Could this console be a complete failure before it is released? Would Microsoft let go of its pride and pull the plug on this catastrophe? Would Microsoft continue to drain billions and billions of dollars to invest in something 3/4 of the consumer base do not want? As a gamer, what do we really want? Do we want them to control our gaming for us? Do we want DRM? Do we want an always on kinect and internet? If the answer is no - majority, why won't Microsoft make adjustments? What do everyone think would be the perfect scenario for Microsoft to be successful? Someone sound off and e-mail it to Microsoft.

Simco8763981d ago

That will get'em!

You make change with your wallet...don't buy the Xbone and you will send a message.

The_KELRaTH3981d ago

I don't think they're listening or they would have asked about Win 8, their phone OS too.
It seems its the "only we KNOW best" and the rest of us are expected to heel into line.

Just fortunate there's a few other choices out there as I really enjoy my gaming periods.

Perjoss3981d ago

I agree with Simco876.

I have a massive collection of 360 games, none of the new restrictions affect me, I never but 2nd hand I never trade in and I'm always online, but I will not be buying a One just on principle, I think it is very anti consumer and I've always liked the idea of building a games collection that is mine forever, not just for the duration that the authentication servers will be online for.

no thank you, there will be more than enough games on PS4, PC and WiiU.

Trekster_Gamer3981d ago

I totally agree!
Another thing is people are saying maybe they will do an about face or there is enough time for them to reverse course. I think every day really counts, I have already given up on them and pre-ordered a PS4 and even if they supposedly try to save face it is too little too late for me. I have paid for gold since 2007 and now I am going to be happy to become a PS+ member.

shinrock3981d ago

PS fanboys make up 3/4? I don't know that.the for informing Mr I see into everyone's soul.

rainslacker3981d ago

I agree with what you say, but just to play devil's advocate here.

MS has plans for the X1. Things we probably know nothing about. When it comes to corporate mentality, a plan is put in place to achieve a certain goal.

If their goal is to be a strong gaming machine then they would reevaluate their plans based on all the things you mentioned. If their goal is to be a all in one media center that plays games that they can control the market on, then what they have planned now is what they feel is the best approach.

They may reevaluate their plans, but probably only in the sense of how to market it to the public. Corporations often don't change their policies until they show without doubt that they aren't working to achieve their desired goal. When money is on the line, they may refocus the product in order to achieve their overall goal.

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NextGen24Gamer3981d ago

Okay let's get some facts straight!

46 million xbox live users

76 million xbox 360 consoles sold

of the 30 million xbox 360 owners who don't have xbox live, we have no idea how many don't have internet.

My nephew for example. He lives in Atlanta and his mom, my sister, has internet but won't let him play online. He is only 10 yrs old.

I would bet that many of the xbox 360's that don't subscribe to xbox live have access to internet, but like my sister, doesn't use the xbox live.

For people like my sister, she still wouldn't need to get xbox live to use the xbox one. The console just needs to be connected to her internet via Wi-Fi just like her cell phone & tablet.

People are acting like it's a bigger deal than it actually is.

The only people that MS is leaving behind are the people with absolutely NO ACCESS to internet. Those people wouldn't benefit from the unique features of the next generation of gaming anyway.

It's like people complaining when a new cell phone comes out but the area they live in has no cell phone signal. Well, the cell phone isn't for you buddy.

It's life. I commend MS for pushing forward into the future. Someone has to do it. The benefits far outway the negatives and people will understand sooner than later.

I'm super excited! November can't come fast enough!!!!!!!

NextGen24Gamer3981d ago

Proof that the xbox one is for the future and not the current or past is the fact that you have to have an HD Television in order to use the xbox one. No one is complaining about the small percentage of people in rural countries who don't even have an HD television. LOL...It's the same exact thing.

HD Television and Internet is required to enjoy the future of gaming...XBOX ONE!

If you don't have an HD TV or Internet, buy the Ps4.

Xbox One can do 4K or otherwise called Ultra HD for games and the Ps4 CANNOT!

You pay an extra $100 for a true next gen console that's not looking back but moving forward.

tigertom533981d ago

360 did support many countries and expanded after release...

cannon88003981d ago

I've been a loyal playstation gamer since psone and I was actually interested in purchasing the new xbox, but now there's no way I'll even consider buying it. I'd rather have Pinocchio stick his hose up my butthole and tell me lies then getting an xbox one.

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Excalibur3981d ago

Reading comments here,other gaming sites, FB,Twitter and even Yahoo news fro crips sake it seems more like 3/4 of it's 360 users, myself being one of them.

MariaHelFutura3981d ago

Yep. 1/3rd sounds low. It doesn't take long to find disgruntled Xbox fans, anywhere social activities are available.

jmc88883981d ago

The sad thing is that all the places they're bitching that was mentioned above...are just as guilty as spying on you as Microsoft.

Steam just scored a flawless victory on MS, and showed how you don't need system wide DRM check-ins in order to share games.

Microsoft has no clothes.

Walker3981d ago

There is no difference, no innovations ! meh

maniacmayhem3981d ago

I wouldn't say all that. It had just as many great features as the PS4 did.

MariaHelFutura3981d ago

and really bad ones the PS4 doesn't. Namely DRM, A forced camera, having to check in and not working anywhere in the world. All of these things, detract from the "innovation" it does have.

jmc88883981d ago

Not to mention, none of those drawbacks were necessary to implement any of their 'features'.

Steam game sharing >>>> Xbox One sharing

Polysix3981d ago (Edited 3981d ago )

It will also have the worst versions of multiplatform games because it's just simply not as powerful as the PS4. A fact time will prove.

FantasyStar3981d ago

Talk about beating a dead horse....

maniacmayhem3981d ago

Yes they are. Introducing too many restrictions all up front was not a good idea.

No one wants to see a new and improved product with a bunch of "can't do's" that didn't appear on the older version.

Very bad on MS's part.

B1663r3981d ago

Not having to have a disk in the drive is a restriction? You've got it backwards buddy.

Having to change disk every time you want to play a different game is the restriction...

maniacmayhem3981d ago

But because of this feature now I can't rent a game from gamefly or Redbox.

This feature would have been great going from whatever disk you currently have in your X1 to any digital game to the TV or app. I would gladly take this if it meant I could still do what I have been doing for the 360.

Why o why3981d ago

That type of attitude makes me think of the well known idiom. One step forward, twos steps back

jmc88883981d ago

You do realize that they could have implemented that feature without the system wide DRM check-in right?

So why did they needlessly restrict you?

Steam just blew Microsoft out of the water. They just said, your secret sauce is crap. THIS is how you share games M$.

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Microsoft's Absurd Antics Have Me Scared For Dishonored And Arkane Lyon's Future

With Arkane Austin no more and Lyon living for who knows how long, the superb Dishonored is in serious danger; Microsoft cannot be trusted.

Relientk773h ago

I love the Dishonored series so much and really want Dishonored 3. Microsoft better not screw this up.

JEECE43m ago

I mean, I think the fans will probably kill Arkane Lyon by cooking up reasons to hate whatever they do next without playing it. I've never seen a game so artificially disliked as Deathloop.

thesoftware73026m ago

Lol, why don't we just say, we are worried about all studios owned by MS now. They will keep closing studios until they have none left ...🙄

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More Job Losses At Xbox, “There’s More To Come”: Paul Thurrott

Paul Thurrott in a recent episode commented on the on-going Microsoft fiasco hinting at more job losses and that "there's more to come".

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Sonic18812d ago (Edited 2d ago )

There won't be no more acquiring game publishers from Microsoft in the future . Xbox has to pay Microsoft back. It might take two decades to do that.

sagapo2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I don’t understand what you’re saying. Xbox IS microsoft so there’s no “paying back “.
And MS gross profit in 2023 was over 140 billion dollars so forget your 2 decades.

Unless you mean the money MS invested in Xbox (acquisitions included) and the time it will take for xbox as a brand to gain that money back on it’s own, then yeah, that could take a while.

romulus231d 19h ago

The better term to use might be return on investment, xbox is simply a division of Microsoft one that MS can easily do away with if profit margins are not met. So in that regard he's right, if xbox isn't showing the expected return on investment the higher ups are expecting than it's unlikely Microsoft will acquire any other studios any time soon, especially if they are spending billions buying developers just to shut them down in the end.

MrBaskerville1d 11h ago (Edited 1d 11h ago )

Xbox is a division that they discussed shutting down but doubled down on after Gamepass was pitched.

It needs to make money at some point. Big money.

KwietStorm_BLM1d 11h ago

So you do understand it or..?

rokos1d 9h ago

According to Statista the net income of Microsoft is about $72.4 billion dollars which is a bit lower than last year profit. That is almost as much as Activision's acquisition but I assume that would be a one off since it costs so much plus I see how their focus has been shifted to AI, thus any major future investments will probably be in that area.

Markusb331d 8h ago

i think you are really missing the point

VariantAEC23h ago

@romulus23
That is not why MS buys studios. They might continue to buy because it's about taking that sweet sweet IP out of the corporate husks of their acquisitions.

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SonyStyled2d ago

“There won't be no more acquiring game publishers from Microsoft in the future”

No bro, there do be is for Microsoft not acquiring for what is now if not what it be is 😂

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ChasterMies1d 12h ago

Xbox isn’t a separate company from Microsoft. It’s all Microsoft.

Abear211d 7h ago (Edited 1d 7h ago )

Let’s be real, this is the media spinning all the acquisitions and liquidations of said developers and spinning it to make M$ the villain.

This was bound to happen, a bigger slice of pie and cut costs, when the games come they stand to make more and that’s their agenda—it was the writing on the wall when the sales went through and legally all those who approved the sale and mergers knew this would happen.

Snowflakes need to realize business is ugly and you can cry all you want but this is how capitalism works. And it works.

That said, M$ needs to steer the narrative and grab hold of all this, make their plans known, hype the hell out of all those dead IP’s they plan to revive, and be honest about the timeline. This is likely to involve mobile and IP on other consoles, and most people realize that.

The problem is this company is incapable of being transparent and seems to often want to dissuade and confuse is customer base. The lack of E3 has hurt Microsoft and I don’t think they know how to properly or effectively market their brand anymore.

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jwillj2k42d ago

There really needs to be a class action lawsuit here. You buy these companies just to put people out of jobs. And it’s not like something happened to derail their plans this WAS the plan. Microsoft has no business in this space at all.

franwex2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Microsoft has been doing this for years. They simply want the IPs. Look at Nokia. Look at Skype. This time it simply expanded to games. Gaming is not as important to Microsoft’s executives as it was to the founders too. Bill Gates was willing to sell the og Xbox at a loss. Steve Balmer approved the red ring of death fiasco. This CEO isn’t really a gamer.

-Foxtrot2d ago

Maybe it's time though to put a stop to it and use a big giant like Microsoft as a huge example to the rest of these big companies.

There has to be a line drawn somewhere.

People like the FTC and the like went against Microsoft yet their Actvision deal was still allowed to go through yet look what's happened...it's not even Acitivisions studios aswell, it's Bethesdas.

VariantAEC23h ago

Years?

Try several decades, and in the gaming space 2.3 decades.

Jon615861d 8h ago

You do realize this happens in ALL industries? Or are you just saying this because it is Microsoft? In any case I feel for those that are being let go but the trch industry is suffering right now.

jwillj2k41d 3h ago (Edited 1d 3h ago )

This absolutely does NOT happen all the time. Let me know the last time 1 company with a terrible product track record spent 100 billion onto acquire MULTIPLE successful companies in under a year only to shut them down and stop making their products regardless of how successful they were. Not merge them, completely shut them down.

And you can’t use Microsoft in your example.

Notellin1d 3h ago (Edited 1d 3h ago )

Class action lawsuit? The law is on their side and protects them at all costs. There are no rules to protect the people at the bottom.

jwillj2k41d 3h ago

Not true when it comes to mass layoff do your research.

RNTody2d ago

Ninja Theory, Perfect Dark, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, Wolfenstein 3, Dishonored, Prey, Doom, Quake... something tells me that bad things are going to happen to these entities under Microsoft.

MrDead1d 17h ago

ID software, the makers of Doom and Wolfenstein that have been with us since 1991 could be gone and MS will keep the IPs.

I hope some of these studios can buy their freedom from MS otherwise this is going to be even more devastating for the industry and gamers.

Yui_Suzumiya1d 14h ago (Edited 1d 14h ago )

That's exactly what I'm worried about. I've been a fan of id since Wolfenstein 3D and I'm honestly afraid.

lodossrage1d 10h ago

Toys for Bob saw the writing on the wall and bought themselves out.

Wouldn't be the first time a company did that under MS either. Bungie and Twisted Pixel did the same. Considering what just happened, I can see some other devs trying to buy themselves out too.

anast2d ago

Good thing the bosses of all those small studios made their money.

glenn19792d ago

they cant do it right now they will get burned

XiNatsuDragnel1d 18h ago

Phil and his team need to be gone

lodossrage1d 10h ago (Edited 1d 10h ago )

Won't make a difference.

The whole structure needs to be overhauled. Anyone that replaces Phil will be no different than him, Mattrick, or anyone else.

Until the company changes how they go about business, nothing will change

glenn19791d 7h ago

I just don't have any idea what they would do , they have done sooo much damage on their xbox brand, they have a show at July or June I think, but will it even matter even they show amazing games, idkn

lodossrage1d 10h ago

True,

But they may as well get it over with. Whether it happens now or later, the burning is going to hit the same.

Reality is the ONE move that can alleviate a lot of this is the one move they can't make. Remove day 1 from gamepass.

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Microsoft Opening Xbox Mobile Game Store in July

The Xbox brand is expanding, as an Xbox mobile game store is opening this coming July where Microsoft will brings its "first-party portfolio."

Jin_Sakai3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

“Bond adds that they will start on the web”

This will go nowhere.

Nice knowing you Xbox. This is what happens when the house never gets cleaned.

MrDead3d ago

The only this MS is expanding is the amount of feculence it sprays on everyone who just want to enjoy gaming and make games.

The best thing MS can do for the gaming industry is leave and never return.

XiNatsuDragnel3d ago

Good luck with this even it might not succeed.

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