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Opinion: Xbox One reveal proves Sony was right to conceal PS4

Microsoft's muddled presentation suggests it has been outmanoeuvred for the first time in the console war, writes Tim Clark. Pop quiz, hotshots: Who knows why Sony didn't show the actual box when it revealed PS4?

Put your hands down if you think the prototype wasn't ready. Of course it was ready. The console will be released this year, which means the case design will have been done a long time ago. It's not the sort of thing you can knock out on a Friday afternoon between crafty games of Candy Crush.

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MasterCornholio3992d ago (Edited 3992d ago )

I found it horrible that they showed off the XBONER and they didnt demonstrate any games on it. I mean sure the conference was mostly about digital television and sports but they could have had a live gameplay demo of something.

Well makes the Major Nelson look stupid for tweeting this.

"Announce a console without actually showing a console? That's one approach"

How about announcing a console without showing any games?

BlackTar1873992d ago

Announce a Video game console and show no gameplay footage

Shadow Flare3992d ago (Edited 3992d ago )

Rent a crowd to clap because the real crowd don't want to

That's one way to do it

Blackdeath_6633992d ago (Edited 3992d ago )

well you get criticised for showing games but not the console, and you get criticised for showing the console but no games you can't please everyone i guess. what killed the xbox for me anyways is what surfaced after the conference, like no used games, needs kinect to function, needs to be connected to internet every 24hrs, cannot change or upgrade HDD etc...

darthv723992d ago

they switched places this time around.

It had long been rumored that during the dev of the 360, they upped their specs at the last minute to compete with sony.

in the end both the ps3 and 360 were comparatively matched in terms of specs. PS3 had the better cpu and 256mb system ram / 256mb video ram, 360 had the better gpu and 512mb unified ram. with ms showing first

so now, both ps4 and xb1 have 8 core custom AMD cpu and 8gb of ram. sony upped their ram from 2 to 4 then ultimately to 8gb gddr5 where as ms seemed to have been set with going with 8gb ddr3 from the start. with sony showing first this time around.

this is a pretty good read actually: http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

MikeMyers3992d ago

"Quote from the article:

"Take a look at the third question again. Do you know what Sony's policy for pre-owned games is going to be? I don't. The best CVG's bloodhound of an editor could extract from Michael Denny, Sony's VP of Worldwide Studios after the PS4 reveal, was some bluster about doing "the right thing" by consumers and developers. Cool! Beyond that, Sony has largely got away scot-free ever since."

Exactly. Sony is now using Microsoft to try and answer these hard questions. Both of them won't say yet. So don't start saving for that PS4 just yet, they too might have something up their sleeve, and why not? They already adopted online passed and have DRM restrictive games on PSN.

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SirBradders3992d ago

Sony are smart now all eyes are back on them cos we know what the xbox looks like and we have seen just a small portion of games from the ps4 and i actually do wanna see the design even though its no importance.

One4U3991d ago

i cant wait for e3 , naughty dogs uncharted team is like almost 2 yrs into development ! cant wait for the other devs too !

LackTrue4K3992d ago

Ever gamer is waiting for E3, why are people bringing it up...?! O wait, you still think Mircosoft is gana "wow" us?! Haha

Killabites3992d ago

Don't live in hope my friend.

Y_51503992d ago

I say that for the Wii U. It's going to get better for the system. But PS4 is going there with some momentum and I bet if it doesn't end up like 2005 E3 reveal of the PS3. Then it would be fantastic!

TXIDarkAvenger3992d ago

I don't know why your getting disagrees. If MS went all out, what the fuck would they show at E3? I will be waiting with you man.

LOL, just remember there wasn't really any wow factor at the PS4 announcement.

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plaZeHD3992d ago

"XBONER"
Oh wow ouch
/sarcasm

sway_z3992d ago

MasterCornholio you are a TROLL...

LOOK AT WHAT HE WROTE JUST 15 MINS AGO ....

'Nope because XBOX fans are extremely happy with the direction that Microsoft is going with the Xbox brand.

Seriously if they didnt like it then they wouldnt have supported Kinect which sold boat loads of units'

YOU ARE A FAKE LIKE THE CROWD APPLAUDING AT X1 EVENT...

sourav933992d ago

I just looked at his past 10 comments, they're all negative comments towards xbox, just the one one here. So I don't see how he's a fake. I don't condone doing what he's doing, but he's definitely not in 2 minds about it.

sway_z3992d ago (Edited 3992d ago )

Ok, I take your word for it Sourav93...

Maddens Raiders3992d ago (Edited 3992d ago )

...

Sony is doing amazing things.

Y_51503992d ago

Picture never gets old.

maniacmayhem3992d ago

I don't even think Sony had a live gameplay demo. So why expect MS too?

Raccoon3992d ago (Edited 3992d ago )

Shut the hell up! We expected games and core specs not TV, NFL and 5 billion transitors....

S_C3992d ago

Killzone: Shadow Fall ,need i say any more

maxgamehard3992d ago

Knack was a live game demo as well.

maniacmayhem3992d ago

Don't remember Knack so that must tell me something and Killzone from what I remember looked like a demo as well since I didn't actually see anyone playing.

Adva3992d ago

What a nut job. Killzone was LIVE, Knack was live (On the vita aswell), pretty sure Drive was demoed though not sure about that title. Watch_dogs aswell.

HeroLv93992d ago

Jimmy Fallon played killzone Shadow Fall on his show...go watch it on Youtube.

raytraceme3992d ago (Edited 3992d ago )

Killzone shadowfall was played by jimmy fallon LIVE and it was gameplay because the other guy with jimmy sucked at it.

also knack showed off gameplay on both the ps4 and the vita with remote play.

And we expected ms to because they are showing the reveal 3 months after the ps4 reveal. Which could prove the leaks about x1's developement being delayed.

And don't give me bs that is was played on a pc because we actually know the full whereabouts of the ps4's architecture while we got lame vague specs from MS.

Guerilla also has a full slideshow presentation on how kz:sf was made on the ps4 MS has nothing.

maxgamehard3992d ago

@maniacmayhem

I am sorry but i just have to.

http://cdn.dualshockers.com...

Qrphe3992d ago

>dis amount of denial

Turn off the damage control

The_Troll_Whisperer3992d ago

One phrase: Killzone: Shadow Fall

I have spoken

(P.S. you usually defend Sony...)

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shutUpAndTakeMyMoney3992d ago

they should have never shown the box. Not even when e3 comes. It's ugly.

bestofthebest3992d ago

it looks like my cable box

One4U3991d ago

well it is the X"box"

Biohazard88603992d ago

Major nelson's is microsoft's puppet.

FamilyGuy3992d ago

"with that big hardware reveal still tucked under its skirt"

I lmmfao at this line

horndog3992d ago

So they didnt show forza or remedy's new game?? True that ghost and ea's are third party games but still games never the less. I hough it wasmade clear tht e3 would be about games. Look forward to it

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Majin-vegeta3992d ago (Edited 3992d ago )

Xbox:Sony where's your console?

Sony:Yea but what's the point in showing a console if you ain't got no games to demonstrate??

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yesmynameissumo3992d ago

Sony's focus was on...wait for it...GAMES. Coming out with that as the only topic (outside of tech specs, etc.) showed PlayStation as a brand is about video games. Microsoft showed the world the Xbox brand is about whatever can make Microsoft money. Glad it played out the way it did personally.

esemce3991d ago

Yeah now us real non fanboy gamers don't have to worry about choosing between two consoles at launch it's simple.

Hate Activision
Hate EA Sports
Hate Kinect
Hate TV
Hate Paying for simple MP
Hate Timed exclusives and dlc
Hate the lack of exclusives MS has given us since Kinect.

That's a lot of hate and I've still got some more.

cleft53992d ago (Edited 3992d ago )

Dude the xbox reveal proved you shouldn't make a console look like a betamax player. Seriously, what was Microsoft design team thinking. If Apple teaches us anything it's that you don't sacrifice form, you figure out a way to make form and function work.

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv721d 4h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle15h ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic188112h ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio12h ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Lightning777h ago

What he said was facts. How he plays games is no concern of you. Don't get too mad about it.

Cacabunga14h ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

darthv721h ago

to you it may seem like the minority... but your bubble is shrinking because more and more are following suit. convenience is a hell of a drug and its also why physical sales only amount to 30% of overall game sales. times are changing, you either get with them or you get left behind.

shinoff218314h ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga13h ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

itsmebryan8h ago

@shin
Well keep it simple Sony 's operating income is down 26% and Microsoft's is up 32%. No MS spin there, just facts. 😉
Cheers

S2Killinit1h ago

MS is after diminishing consoles as a medium. They want to destroy this market because they couldnt win. MS’s vision is to dissolve console gaming.

romulus237h ago

Odd that a company that touts you dont need the hardware to play is already touting another console in the works.

darthv727h ago

They are not reliant on the HW but still want to maintain a presence (no matter how small) is a good thing. It shows commitment to the craft. It reminds me of SNK and how they made games for their own hardware (Neo Geo) while also making them for others because they knew there was a market to do so. They knew they would sell more to others but also sell to their own niche fan base.

TheEroica1h ago(Edited 1h ago)

Perfectly reasonable post down voted by insecure corporation friendly folk.... But not gamers. Real gamer want accessibility and ease of acquisition for all.... Company shills are the only ones still telling us that hardware locking people from games is good for us.

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purple10117h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos17h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

DOMination-6h ago

In the last two years they've started exiting the consumer market altogether. All of the newest Surface products are business models only. They can't seem to work out what they want to do with it.

XBManiac16h ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad16h ago(Edited 16h ago)

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple10115h ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos15h ago(Edited 15h ago)

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic14h ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

MrDead7h ago

The only growth MS will get out of the console industry is if it supports it's rivals platforms. Xbox is a pointless machine now. I can see them on a big push for live next, and they won't give up on trying to buy Steam.

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Sony Patents To Prevent You From In-Game Harassment By Reading Your Emotions

A new patent recently published by Sony wants to gather biometric data of gamers to track whether one is being harassed using AI tools.

Profchaos1d 17h ago (Edited 1d 17h ago )

I hope this is one of those patents that never comes to fruition.

I already dislike the fact you can pay a significant amount for a online service buy associated games and content on said service and get banned from that service over potentially a misunderstanding the bans are already handed out for flimsy reasons

I'd rather see money invested in a ban that simply removes the offensive players ability to communicate with unknown players allow them to continue party chats with friends but not with Joe blow on cod.

exputers1d 13h ago

Agreed. Blizzard recently banned a college Overwatch 2 player who's dependent for saying "shit." Pretty harsh.

Profchaos22h ago(Edited 22h ago)

How rediculas really. You can't say a word that's allowed in most PG films and prime time TV but the game is based around killing the enemy team using guns, explosives etc.

It's just backwards.

just_looken1d ago

What your talking about is called block list

In 2006 a spaceship dropped of the playstation 3/xbox 360 i say that that generation was the last great gen with game functions/tech that has yet to comeback

Anyhow the playstation 3 if you block listed a id they could not talk to you in chatroom with either text or voice. But that was pre mind fucked 2018 when people were more human than sheep.

But hey gta 6 is coming out billion dollar budget without a single player custom character creator and without singeplayer coop off/online something saints row 1-3 had on the xbox 360.

z2g1d 10h ago

Take my social security and bank account numbers too! Here’s a picture of my wife and our address.

phoenixwing1d 9h ago

Cmon where's the pictures of your children. Don't hold out on them.

H91d 9h ago

At this rate I feel Sony will eventually sell a room to play games in it where they can monitor your every breath

jambola1d 6h ago

I genuinely get a bit worried sometimes when a friend says something that could be offensive In a party
Because I have no trouble believing some bans would happen when in a private party for saying something wrong

SegaSaturn6691d 8h ago

I want them to censor erotic content by measuring my groin temperature so i dont get too distracted while playing black ops 2.

Popsicle1d 8h ago

Terrible idea. Not only do I not consent to providing my biometric data, the potential for mishandling biometric data is almost a certainty. Positive stress and negative stress can produce similar changes in biometrics. Interpreting the precise emotion a person is feeling is not only invasive but could be easily misconstrued. I hope this never comes to fruition.

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere2d ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN1d 22h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos1d 19h ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

GamerRN1d 13h ago

They can form a company if they want, they are just as jobless as if "Microsoft had left them as 3rd party".

peppeaccardo1d 14h ago

"MIcrosoft leaves Bethesda do what they know how to do best" ... close! Oh the irony ....
(Citation from a week old article)

ChasterMies1d 10h ago

I think Microsoft and other game publishers are letting people go because they think ai will replace them. Doesn’t matter how much profit they make. They were always going to be let go.

PassNextquestion2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger1d 22h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Mr Logic1d 8h ago

What a stupid thing to say. The elites give 0 fucks what we say on an obscure website in the comments section.

Crows901d 7h ago

You can always reach out and give them jobs at your company man. Don't wait

blacktiger5h ago

You own nothing snd be happy. I'm sure you heard that

Profchaos2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto2d ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos1d 23h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long1d 20h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel1d 23h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos1d 21h ago (Edited 1d 21h ago )

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator1d 22h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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