porkChop4478d ago

I'm not buying it. I'm sorry Kojima, but Hayter's voice and personality are the heart of MGS. He IS Snake. The new guy they got doesn't even sound ANYTHING like Snake AT ALL. I was super hyped for this game, but that one stupid decision took all my hype away.

I'm really just not interested anymore. What makes it even worse is that according to David Hayter, they never even asked him or talked to him about the game at all. Never asked him to reprise his role or anything.

Root4478d ago

I was a tad annoyed but Naked Snake i s getting older now there has to be a point where he sounds different to Solid Snake

I guess if Kojima ever does MGS6 with Solid Snake SOMEHOW, then David will be back. I mean they cant keep doing prequels

PopRocks3594478d ago

I was going to say. If this is only because it's Big Boss, I can live with Hayter not voicing him. But Solid Snake and young Big Boss is another story...

Omar914478d ago

But snakes voice is already rough and raspy to begin with so how does he go from getting older and having a more smooth "clean" voice? it just doesnt make sense. David Hayter is snake. whether it be naked or solid snake.

porkChop4478d ago (Edited 4478d ago )

I see what you're saying, but this is 9 years after Ground Zeroes, which takes place shortly after Peace Walker. So Naked Snake is in his 40's. I don't see his voice changing THAT much at that stage in his life. Later on, sure. But it just seems off, especially since the new voice actually sounds younger than Hayter. It doesn't make sense.

I could maybe understand if they're leading up to a parallel MG 1 & 2 story where we play as Big Boss, because Solid Snake would be in the game as well and you couldn't have Hayter voicing both characters. But Hayter has said that unfortunately he will not be returning to the series. So that would leave us with a completely different Solid Snake voice as well.

Root4478d ago (Edited 4478d ago )

"But Hayter has said that unfortunately he will not be returning to the series. So that would leave us with a completely different Solid Snake voice as well."

So he isn't returning at all

Balls.....I really wanted to see Solid Snake again in the future.

I know I know, let him live out the rest of his days in peace like what MGS4 implied but a character like him can't just go away. I feel it was a horrible decision to make him old. Lets not forget we thought he would "live his life" at the end of the first Metal Gear Solid game with Meryl

Would be a great idea if for MGS6 they (new threat) kidnap Snake and experiment on him for years, curing his ageing problem so he's young again to make him look like his actual age but at the same time end up making it so they have ways to clone him so they can create powerful Genome Soldiers types for a new private army.

Anyway I can see where your coming from, I hadn't heard the new guys that much but yeah now that I'm aware he does sound younger.

Kojima better have a good reason for this....I hope people don't let it go because it's Kojima.

thechosenone4477d ago

yeah it does kind of suck but kiefer sutherland is a damn good replacement so I'm ok with the change.

Shuyin4477d ago

@ Root

Snake's age can't be 'cured'. It's no disease. It's the way his genes were manipulated..

Don't get your hopes up for another sequel. Kojima said it himself. Old Snake's storyline is DONE. And with the Patriots gone, there is no more enemy left to be fought aswell.

Root4477d ago (Edited 4477d ago )

Course it can be cured....it's their story, they make make up a way for him to be cured. It's not real life you know....in a game you could have the cure for cancer, we don't have it but it doesn't mean you can't write it in. It is their story. What about if they find a way to change his genes or reverse them.

I remember when Halo 3 was the last Master Chief game...finish the fight and look who came back for Halo 4

Same goes with the enemy....your saying there's no more enemies left to fight....so make up a new threat, it's a big world out there. Peace doesn't last forever

As I've said they can't keep relying on prequels for the main MGS games.

infamousinfolite4477d ago

@Root
You did this sort of thinking with Infamous. Like you said 'It's THEIR game THEIR story not YOURS so if THEY want to end Solid Snake's story at MGS4 THEY can.

NBT914477d ago

... They CAN keep doing prequels. There is tons of room for potential backstory.
But yeah Hayter will reprise the role in the future I'm sure.

Either this is the biggest troll in gaming (I.E Phantom Pain takes place nine years after Ground Zeroes, therefore Hayter will only voice him during GZ and not The Phantom Pain where he wakes up from his coma with a changed voice... or there is a legit reason, either way I'm pretty neutral on the matter.

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WildArmed4477d ago

I knew something was off when i heard big boss talk.

I was like... I hope this isn't him talking, coz it doesn't sound like him at all (or rather my perception of how he should sound i guess?)

ZodTheRipper4477d ago

David Hayter just voiced Solid Snake. Big Boss is NOT Solid Snake - How ignorant does one have to be to say "I'm not buying it because David Hayter is missing"? Stupid drama queens.

Kurylo3d4477d ago

Maybe its because david hayter also voiced big boss in every game other then mgs4 lol.

WildArmed4477d ago

@zod

MGS3, Peace Walker, etc etc were all done by Hayter too.

Thou I dont believe in shunning a game ebcause they didn't pick a particular voice actor. Criticizing? Yes.

fr0sty4477d ago (Edited 4477d ago )

Hayter's voice sucked. Yeah, I said it. The only reason people like it is because it is associated with an icon. The voice acting is pretty bad really.

Trenta274477d ago

That's actually my thoughts on it, too. Kojima obviously had a reason for not choosing him. Considering he is one of the greatest game designers ever, I will agree with his choice.

MASTER_RAIDEN4477d ago

COULD NOT AGREE MORE. ive always felt that hayters voice was too cliche for MGS. always so forcefully grumpy and seemed extremely stereotypical of that "reluctant anti-hero" role. Within the MGS universe, Raidens voice actor is far better suited for his role than hayter is for snake. when i hear Raiden speak, i think "this is Raiden talking". but when i hear snake speak i think "this character has a terrible voice actor".
Though Snakes voice isnt AS bad, it reminds me a lot of doms voice in gears. Instead of having a character with an identifiable sound, you have yet another ultra burly, deep scratchy voiced anti-hero.

If MGS wants its voice acting to stick around with heavy hitters like the uncharted series and sleeping dogs (va is supposedly phenomenal, they need to ditch the 80's style voice acting..

grailly4477d ago

@dubstep
I agree, but I think it makes snakes voice quite funny, which I enjoy

fr0sty4477d ago

Good to see I wasn't completely trashed for that opinion... lol. Goes to show MGS fans have some maturity to them and are able to handle a dissenting opinion or two once in a while.

I love MGS, but just never was that impressed by ol' Hayter. His voice worked, but as said above it just seemed forced and cliche. It did work within the comical context that MGS always has kept, but perhaps Kojima wants to take MGS in a more serious direction this time. Who knows. I know if Snake ever makes it to the big screen, he'll need a new voice. Not everyone will get the humor in it, and many will just think it's bad acting.

Number-Nine4477d ago

you try to cover up your statement as an opinion, when it's in fact pure ignorance.

jrbeerman114477d ago

ill have to agree that hayter was not the best voice actor.

Felt very forced to me. sorry unpopular opinion but take off the nostalgia glasses and give him a good listen sometime.

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guitarded774477d ago

I can understand being disappointing, but I think you're overreacting. Of course it's your right to do so, but do you really think this will ruin the game?

infamousinfolite4477d ago

It won't. It's still Kojima's game anyway so we will thoroughly enjoy the gameplay and cutscenes of it all.

GamersRulz4477d ago

Kojima wants to differentiate Big Boss voice from Solid Snake voice in case of possible future encounter...Very logical and should have been done years ago.

Ducky4477d ago

... because Snake and Big Boss haven't encountered each other yet?

greatcrusader444477d ago

@ducky

And during that encounter, were they both voiced by Hayter? No

Ducky4477d ago (Edited 4477d ago )

^ That's the thing. They had different voice actors during the encounter and it didn't cause any problems. It was believable.

Now, BigBoss's voice changing shortly after PeaceWalker? Not that believable.
It's unlikely he'll even encounter Snake until he hits 60.

If the japanese version is still using the same old voice actor, then it pretty much debunks this theory.

greatcrusader444477d ago

Totally forgot the Japanese Snake is reprising his role as Big Boss. My theory is that Kojima is making a MGS in a different style, a more serious game, and in truth, despite me loving Hayters voice, it really is cheesy as hell.

Not happy about the change, but there was a reason for it, Kojima just wasn't sitting in his house thinking "You know what? F#ck Hayter, I'm recasting Big Boss."

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vork774477d ago

Richard Doyle voice big boss in MGS4

showtimefolks4477d ago

This is just Kojima trolling us again

I love MGS and Kojima but this man trolls a lot lol.

I wouldn't be surprised if David hasn't already finished the voice work lol

NatureOfLogic4477d ago (Edited 4477d ago )

@ porkChop I agree, I've already decided to skip this one. All my hype and high hopes for this game went away because of this news. I never would've guessed that I'll be skipping this due to stupid VA decisions. I'm very upset at this news. When I heard that voice at the end, I was like "wtf is that". That voice was weak.

Ashunderfire864477d ago

Shitttttt they did the same thing with Splinter Cell with a new actor also? What happen to the originals man. No Ironside and now no Hayter.

delboy4477d ago

It's Big Boss not Snake.
But Snake is a clone of Big Boss, so they should have same voice?
And don't come me with the different in age argument, they are both grown up.

Yes, the voice is a big deal, for me, and all MGS fans.
So I'm a bit disappointed with Kojima and MGS5.

MeatAbstract4477d ago

Liquid was also a clone and was British. Solidus was also clone and he sounded different.

delboy4477d ago

You are right about that.
Ah, f... you Kojima with your mind f... games lol

Shadowlurker4477d ago

As I said on another page: People seem to be forgetting that the Ground Zeroes part of the game is only weeks after PW.. AND that the original Japanese VA is still voicing him during that part, So it's possible Hayter is covering/lying and he's voicing BB during the GS part and Richard Doyle (Or whomever is voicing him in the trailer) is voicing him in the 9 years later post-coma part of the game.. However it didn't really sound like Doyle either....

And there isn't any solid (lols) reason for the dramastic change given that he actually sounds younger not older.. So either that's not BB in the "post-coma" part (See the biginning part where we are actually seeing Big Boss going into the coma from someone elses eyes and not from his or Millers.) Meaning that the person waking up from the coma is actually the other guy.

arronax-14477d ago

As far as i'm concerned, that is what you fanboys get for forcing someone like him to continue this franchise.

Good_Guy_Jamal4477d ago

Too bad. You won't be missed though.

Tito084477d ago (Edited 4477d ago )

Then it's totally ridiculous to judge a purchase decision based on a voice actor, as if some of the Batman animated movies are gonna suck because it doesn't have Kevin Conroy voicing Batman. David was voiced in 6 MGS games, & the games contained a lot of dialogue, it wasn't your average videogame voice over, plus he's also involved in movie projects, just like when he produced the first X-Men movie. Maybe Kojima have another project for him, who knows. Also in MGS3 Big Boss was in his 30's in 1964, he was already in his 40's by the events of Peace Walker in 1974, IDK too well about Peace Walker, so I don't know how long after PW is the Ground Zeroes events, but now we now Phantom Pain is 9 years later which already points out the 80's, so Big Boss is well around his 50's not 40's, & the original Metal Gear took place in 1995, so it's getting a bit closer to the original game.

porkChop4477d ago

No. Big Boss was born in 1935. He was 29 in Snake Eater. Both Peace Walker and Ground Zeroes take place in 1974 when he's 39. The Phantom Pain takes place 9 years later in 1983, which makes him 48.

Tito084473d ago (Edited 4473d ago )

Well ok, I'm not too good about people's ages anyways. But you must agree with everything else I said. Can't judge a developer nor a game based on voice acting. & maybe Kojima has plans for Hayter, but not at the moment that the story in the series is getting more evolving, we never know.

josephayal4477d ago

We must go through with the boycott

ziggurcat4477d ago

@ porkchop

it's big boss in MGS5, not snake.

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gintoki7774477d ago

Whether voice matters on not to you is your opinion. However, its more about the personality and actions of a character which makes them likable. Its not like he has a high pitched little kid voice (picture that). I'm sure it will be the same old big boss and the game will be badass. So relax

DeadManMcCarthy4477d ago

I like David Hayter but lets be honest, he doesn't do a good Big Boss voice or Old Snake voice. He's much better at playing the younger Snakes.

Having a new VA is the right decision.

shadowst174476d ago

You sir have a stick up your ass, please remove it or else it may cause serious damage to your organs and serious brain damage from the blockage of blood getting to the brain causing brain damage which is clearly seen in your post.

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FreydaWright4477d ago

Come on, folks. It's Kojima we're talking about here. This is all just an elaborate ruse.

Finalfantasykid4477d ago

You never know. For all we know David Hayter already finished all the voice work :P

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Metal Gear Solid 5, Nearly After A Decade, Is Still A Timeless Classic

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SimpleSlave390d ago (Edited 390d ago )

No. But MGS5: Ground Zeroes might actually be one of the greatest Game Demo ever, if not the best.

xHeavYx390d ago

I know a lot of people didn't, but I actually liked that story twist at the end. The game was fun and all, but I wouldn't call it a timeless classic.

Cacabunga389d ago

Metal Gear legend stopped with number 4.
MGS5 needed a year or 2 more of development to be maybe among the classics.. it was clearly rushed, especially at the end. The story teaches us absolutely nothing new.

just_looken390d ago

A demo is free that was a $40 cry for help as later we would know konami did not want to fun hideo and his team anymore that is why we got the unfinished phantom pain.

-Foxtrot390d ago (Edited 390d ago )

Meh

Great stealth gameplay but the game was just average.

Bland open world that felt lifeless, the story felt shoehorned in, unfinished story etc. The whole thing was just average to me compared to the other main titled games.

I would have rather preferred it if they kept Ground Zeroes for the main game as the opening and the rest of the game turns into a Metal Gear 1 & 2 remake to bring things full circle.

just_looken390d ago

If you dig around they had old behind trhe scenes of phantom pain vids and books wrote around the time.

Before funding was puled the main idea was to keep peace walker coop it was in the games early builds and that end game were your building your base that was suppose to be metal gear one.

You as the fake big boss was going to make your own metal gear one map aka your base (outer heaven) then me as sold snake use the mode that is in the game invade/defeat the base even fight your current version of metal gear that was in the game but not finished.

So your idea was on the table bit got canned.

CrimsonWing69390d ago (Edited 390d ago )

Like hell it is. That was the first time I became aware of being sold an unfinished game and was blown away about blind fanboys saying it was some perfect game.

Yea, the first few chapters were great until they do that thing halfway and make you replay all the missions again. Then little things like capturing animals but only seeing a JPEG unlike 3 where everything was modeled out. Areas were massive, desolate, and boring to look at.

Game was a massive let down for me and the potential was so high for it. Honestly, this was one of the most disappointing games I ever played. What’s worse is it starts off brilliant. You literally play through until you get to the point where you could tell they just stopped developing and then quickly used glue and construction paper to “finish” it and then sold it. Quite frankly, that’s insulting to consumers and fans.

Inverno390d ago

People have selective memory. This game had huge drama attached to it, what Konami did to Kojima and this game was horrible. Now they praise Konami cause they revived Silent Hill, even though SH looks half arsed too.

CrimsonWing69390d ago

I dunno if they’re getting much praise after the Silent Hill 2 debacle. Makes me scared sh*tless for the MGS 3 Remake…

Michiel1989389d ago

I don't wanna defend konami, but Kojima had 7 years to make the game, it's not that weird for a publisher to expect a game to be finished in that amount of time.

Also no one is praising konami from what I've seen, they're just excited that a Silent Hill game is releasing

CrimsonWing69388d ago (Edited 388d ago )

@Michiel1989

You’re absolutely correct. Look, the dude is a visionary and has brought us some incredible games, but he constantly would go over budget and could never stick to a deadline. I don’t know if people remember the MGS 4 trailers but it became a joke when you’d see a release date and then they crossed it out in the next trailer to give another.

What a lot of people don’t know is there’s a certain amount of money given for development and marketing. When you go over the budget and add additional marketing over the deadline it isn’t cheap. MGS GZ and V were laughable to me for the amount of time he had to develop them and he spent even more time on the engine that wasn’t anything revolutionary to me. I mean, GZ was nothing more than a demo and they released that art like $40 I think, probably to further help fund V. He then spent money for Kiefer Sutherland who did nothing for the character, which I think Kojima just wanted because he’s a fan.

Konami just had enough and said this is the deadline and you’re done after this. It’s business, but fans took it personal. I mean look at this Overdose game he’s been doing.,, like when is that ever coming out?

Michiel1989388d ago

I kind of forgot about overdose but yeah exactly my thoughts. He has made some of the best games out there and definitely deserves time to create his new masterpiece, but it's not a bottomless well.

This is pure speculation but I imagine he got around 4 years to make the game excluding pre-production. If after those 4 years the game is nowhere near being done, the relationship will be strained between them one way or another.

about the konami being praised thing, if let's say blizzard announces world of warcraft 2 today I'll be excited as hell for the game, but that doesn't mean my opinion of blizzard changes only a tiny bit cause they're still trash.

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Yui_Suzumiya388d ago

Yeah, it was the only MGS I didn't play and this is coming from someone who got back into gaming after skipping a generation due to MGS4 back in 2008. It just seems to be the complete opposite of the MGS I always knew and loved (1-4).

JEECE390d ago

Yes and no. In many ways in was a great game; there's a very strong argument that it has the best gameplay of any MGS game, and that it is one of the more interesting open world "playgrounds" we have gotten, in terms of how the world operates. But as an MGS narrative, it is pretty far down the list, for many reasons.

Storm23389d ago

I don't think there is any argument. The gameplay was incredible. But yeah...disappointed in the rest. Could have been incredible but...well...we all know what happened...

JEECE388d ago

I don't think there is much of one either but apparently some people found the world very boring compared to the more linear structures of other entries so I didn't make a definitive statement in order to acknowledge the outliers.

DarXyde389d ago

The thing about Metal Gear Solid is that the narrative is what determines which is your favorite because the gameplay had ALWAYS improved with every mainline entry. It's amazing.

If it was gameplay, we'd all say The Phantom Pain, but the story is what truly sets them apart.

For me, that's Snake Eater, which is also my favorite game of all time.

JEECE388d ago

That's my favorite too, particularly if we are talking about the subsistence version with camera control.

Fishy Fingers390d ago

For me, best gameplay, worst, everything else.

Storm23389d ago

Yeah...gameplay was so damn good.

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