Xbox 720 Leaks Suggest A Dark Future, Attacks Used Games, Privacy and Consumers

The PlayStation 4 may have been announced exactly a month ago, but Microsoft is playing their cards close to their chest. However, tons of leaks and rumors have begun to spread about the next Xbox – are they real, and what do they mean? Daily Reaction’s Seb and Dan discuss used games, installs, a camera that is always watching you and more. - Daily Reaction

[Foolsjoker]

I really cannot believe they want a camera hooked up at all times on a system that is supposed to be online 24/7. Creepy!

[TrendyGamers]

I doubt that's true.

[InMyOpinion]

From playstationlifestyle.net. The most reliable source for anything Xbox lol.

[Gamer1982]

playstation lifestyle also have an xbox site ran by the same guys. They are usually not biased plus this isn't about them giving a rumour its speculating on a rumor from vgleaks.. So its not about reliability.

[DOMination-]

Why don't they post this "news" on their xbox site then?

[AngelicIceDiamond]

Its funny, the rumors seem dark everything seems bad but when MS finally announces the console and addresses the rumors along with everything else all those rumors don't seem so bad in fact, it may turn do a complete 360. Turns out all the negative rumors, turns out to be positive instead.

All I'm saying is when did bad rumors turned out to be true? Its the same thing each and every console cycle. Negative upon negative rumors surface its doom and gloom.

And all of a sudden, the console gets announced and all those rumors circulating are quickly and easily forgotten. Why? Because 1.) All the bad rumors are outweighed by positive and confirmed features and 2.) The bad rumors are/were NEVER addressed in the first place. People take bad rumors and twist, mold, and spin and re-package the same rumors. Or jump to conclusion take it out of context whatever.

The point is nothing looks bad for MS lets please wait until MS addresses everything.

@Strotee Lol my bad a complete 180.

[strotee]

"complete 360"
looks like someone needs to study geometry a little more

[deadfrag]

Well the problem is that by not addressing to any so call rumors M$ is actually getting bad hype and rep among consumers.If something starts to burn the best thing to do is try to put some water before the fire spreads.And M$ is not doing this an the word the bad word its already moving from mouth to mouth,it will get to the point that they are so burn by the bad publicity that people will not care anymore if the product is good or not they the people will just move and pick the concorrent product because they never heard nothing bad about it!M$ should do better; they must come and debunke all this bad rumors right now if they are indeed not truth!

[Gamer1982]

The main issue is these so called rumours are coming out from the same guys who got the ps4 rumours correct.. That's whats worrying people.

[rainslacker]

@dead

The problem with addressing rumors is that to do so you often inadvertently confirm something else. MS will put many rumors to rest, or confirm them when they finally announce the system, much the same way Sony did when they announced the system.

Almost every company takes a "no comment" or "maybe" approach to rumor handling. Even now people take a "no comment" as a validation that a rumor is true. It's not the companies fault that people always seem the worst case scenario in any given situation.

[guitarded77]

It's for immersion while playing Watch Dogs.

[MADGameR]

doy! They want GAMERS now conditioned to accept being monitored at all times..BIG brother government! It's all just small small small steps towards accepting world tyranny and a world without freedom but enslavement. I.E. The New World Order. So while we are playing our video games...waiting for the 720 and PS4 then the XB1080 and PS5,etc while they (the NWO) are working hard to get rid of us...its just a matter of time folks! Wake UP! Don't support the XB720 if MS intends to stick with this.

[Jakens]

there's a platypus controlling me.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Wedge19]

Nextbox isn't looking too hot.

[doctorstrange]

"But you are" - Microsoft technician.

[Foolsjoker]

Well he wouldn't be able to type anything, since his hands would be too busy 'working'.

[1nsaint]

As a 360 owner it pains me to admit, but yeah all these rumors make me not wanna buy the 720.

Ill wait for the official reveal at E3 though, before i get to exited/dissapointed.

[MysticStrummer]

MS is either laughing or sweating over the reactions to these rumors, if they pay attention at all. I was looking at a non-gaming site that has a single gaming board in it's forums. These rumors keep showing up there too, and the reaction is universally negative. Part of me thinks there's no way MS would do some of what they're rumored to be doing, but I suppose anything is possible.

[1nsaint]

@mysticstrummer who knows? Imo its a bit weird that microsoft isn't responding to counter some of these 'bad talking' rumors.

But hey maybe MS put those rumors into the world themselfs, to see how the public reponds ;P

[rainslacker]

MS has always seemed to have an overzealous need to control their consumers with their products. I certainly wouldn't put it past them to do something completely anti-consumer.

However I think whatever these rumors amount to(if true) is nowhere near as sinister as people are making them out to be. People just tend to take the most extreme possibility and ignore any rational reasons why something may be the way it is.

@Mystic

I'm sure MS is paying attention to what is being said about them. Whether they care or not is another matter. It never seems to make a difference with Windows...and they certainly didn't care about the criticisms of windows 8. In the end they are going to do what they do based on the direction they want to go with their company as a whole.

MS is more than a gaming company, and they have a long history of not being very consumer friendly, and they work hard to control the markets that they have an interest in. Xbox fan boys seem to be oblivious to all the bad things MS has done in it's history. But hey so long as they beat Sony it's all good I guess.

[1nsaint]

@rainslacker yeah all these rumors seem to have blown out of proportion.
But what you said about MS wanting control is one of the things that made rumors like this so believable.

[Double_Oh_Snap]

I still really want to see what Microsoft is doing and get more details on all of this.

As a gamer though, I am firmly in the PS4 camp right now. I do not like anything I'm reading tbh.

[InMyOpinion]

Nothing is confirmed or announced officially yet. I won't buy into the rumors until I see it officially confirmed.

Especially not when reported by a Playstation troll site.

[ftwrthtx]

The camera would be unplugged unless I needed it for a game. Too creepy.

[Foolsjoker]

"Every Durango console will be sold with a new high-fidelity Kinect Sensor, which will be required for the system to operate."

[Nitrowolf2]

"throws a blanket over it"

[doctorstrange]

*Kinect engages X-ray mode*

[Root]

....urgh....really

Many people don't want to plug Kinect in, hell they don't want to spend more money on a console with it in...we'd rather just have the console it's self.

[ftwrthtx]

Aim it at the ceiling then if that's the case

[BitbyDeath]

"Xbox pauses until Kinect can see a person"

MS made a patent a while back to detect how many people are in the room so they could charge you more for movies. The same tech could be used to ensure Kinect is always on and always focused on a person.

http://www.kotaku.com.au/20...

Don't think they will though, that'd be pretty evil.

[Jakens]

Quoted from http://www.kotaku.com.au/20...

"The limitation may comprise a number of user views, a number of user views over time, a number of simultaneous user views, views tied to user identities, views limited to user age or any variation or combination thereof, all tied to the number of actual content consumers allowed to view the content. Consumers are presented with a content selection and a choice of licenses allowing consumption of the content."

[knifefight]

Dump water on it.

[kingPoS]

Just point it at a wall or put it behind the the tv.

[ftwrthtx]

Or behind the center speaker for my surround sound.

[riverstars86]

I really am trying to keep a level head one what was said in that leaked document. When I read it, to me it doesn't say that online is required to play, just that it is using always online when you have the internet connected to it. If you don't have the internet connected to it, I am assuming it will still play games.

If I'm wrong, can someone please show me.

Sincerely,
Confused Gamer

[doctorstrange]

VGLeaks are saying it is always online when you have internet, while Edge say that's true, but add that online is required to play.

[Eldyraen]

The actual leaked document, from what I can tell, doesn't specify and everyone is pretty much just speculating or listening to 'unnamed sources' that will offer no tangible proof one way or another.

Personally I'm like Riverstar86 and expect it to work much like any electronic device with a sleep mode and an auto-update feature (or anything else for that matter--cloud saves, scheduled maintenance, etc... I've had phones that will turn on for alarms even if you shut them off for crying out loud--not like 'always on, always connected' is anything new).

Everyone is just taking vague notions from paragraph long leaks (for each specific 'feature'/'problem ') and running wild when in fact most if not all could just as easily be seen as a good thing.

The Kinect sensor requirement is by far the most questionable though, imo. Its one thing to bundle it but if it is indeed required for the system to operate on top of being 'always connected' no matter what precautions they put in place it will just been seen as 'too creepy' for many people (concerned parents/organizations especially but you can bet news outlets will run with it).

I'm just going to assume its all being taken out of context until after a reveal and people get to try it out for themselves. I'm sure something is likely true, but not necessarily in the way we're thinking.

[clintagious650]

I'll wait until ms clarifies these things, otherwise its just rumors & speculations.

[Npugz7]

the 720 is sounding worse and worse all the time!!!!!!!

[MadLad]

I was a big supporter of the 360 for the majority of this generation. The last few years, however, I have moved from a dedicated consumer to a begrudging consumer, realizing that I am now just too invested in the system to cut ties completely - stuck paying for the luxury of using my own internet connection, while other services take my measly few dollars a month and offer me lists of free games.
That said, if everything I hear is true, the next xbox is the last console I see myself purchasing. That's if I choose to purchase it at all.
While I am making the switch to pc gaming as my main means of gaming, I am definitely interested in purchasing a Playstation 4 sometime down the road, once there is a solid list of exclusives for it. Same with the WiiU.
Once a console manufacturer shows they care nothing about the people that throw money their way, well, I stop throwing money their way.

[CaptainPunch]

I won't be buying the next Xbox if any of this is true, unless Microsoft creates an amazing new IP.

[Codeman420]

they havent done that in a long time. i think they forgot how to.

Edit: i like the one disagree, please tell me a new IP that was worth a sh** on the 360

[Gamer1982]

A new IP will really make you change your mind if all this is true?? It won't me! I'm sorry but I buy my consoles to play games.. I enjoyed my 360 and even Kinect to an extent (got boring quick) but these rumours if true are enough to put me of a console. MS wants an entertainment unit first and a console second.

[CaptainPunch]

Like I said it would have to be amazing.

[Root]

If it requires me to always be online AND plug in Kinect....actually,if it forces me to buy the console with Kinect included then no buy from me.

Microsoft are so out of touch

[maniacmayhem]

What about the PS4 forcing you to buy the camera that works with the controller? Will you buy that?

[Root]

Well apparently it might not come with the camera as some people above have stated. Since its not really needed, I can see Sony making bundles with or without it

[maniacmayhem]

So again, the question I ask you is would you still buy the PS4 if it comes with the camera?

Which by the way is rumored to be an upgraded Eyetoy that will have all the capabilities of the Kinect 2.0.

[hazardman]

Actually I believe the PS4 will come with its own camera. Sony just isn't doing all the crap that MS is so noone really talks about it. Also the PS4 camera might look like Kinect but it won't have same capabilities. Kinect has the better specs. I believe(correct me if I'm wrong)that the Kinect cam is 1080p and Sonys dual camera set up is 720p.

[ziggurcat]

Like before the PS4 was announced, I think it's best to wait until an official announcement. However, if any of this is remotely true.... Yeesh.... It's ridiculous to force people into having a camera peripheral connected in order to even use the system, on top of all of the other seemingly draconian features.

[younglj01]

I'm going to wait until MS say something bc I refuse too believe these rumors...

[DEATHxTHExKIDx]

If these rumors are true I rlly wonder how MS is gonna justify it because this dosent sound good at all. Im hoping there not true.

[Jek_Porkins]

More rumors from unnamed sources....seems legit.

[RTheRebel]

PS4 and Wii U all I need to survive and maybe a 3DS and Vita :)

[first1NFANTRY]

just place a note a few inches infront of the camera quoting "F U Mirconatti" lol problem solved

[TuxedoMoon]

Some of these rumors are pretty out there. Hopefully M$ says something or has a reveal conference soon. I really want to see what the nextbox really is.

[urwifeminder]

Should be sweet looking forwad to the new box i think sony are funding n4g now lol i love the speculation go MS.

[Arai]

Haha that picture with the article is funny...reminds me of that SouthPark episode.
MS will announce their next console next month if rumors are to be believed.
So we shall see then...

[SDF Repellent]

Arn't these the same rumors from before? Nothing is official until the system is announced. I guess these bad Microsoft rumor articles are necessary since it is keeping N4G afloat just like Tabloids. It is a business afterall, so I can't really blame N4G to continue to approve these fan made pieces to please the majority of their audiences

[FlyingFoxy]

Well i'll be sticking with PC, but if they can hack the new Kinect i might buy it for motion capture 3D animation, that's about all it's good for like the current Kinect.

[maniacmayhem]

Awesome title.
It's like a movie...

Xbox 720 suggests a dark future where robot sharks rule the world and have blown up the moon and put laser eye patches on Canadian Black Bears!

LOOK OUT!!

[landog]

wow, news about nextbox is getting worse and worse, i was looking forward to getting one but the more i hear the less i want one

might just roll pc and ps4

i bought a ps3 and 360 at launch, don't think i will be grabbing a 720 right away, need to see how this all pans out

pretty sure i'll get a ps4 in the launch window, though i might even wait and see on that, hearing bf4 will only be 720p on both "next gen" console is making me wonder just how next gen they will be

i would buy bf4 on pc anyway, but that rumor is a little scary, lets hope it is just a rumor

[Qrphe]

720p BF4 on next-gen consoles was confirmed to be fake; here is a translation of the actual rumor from the Chinese guy who "leaked" it.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

[tweet75]

maybe the 720 will do like the ps4 and not allow you play anything you have bought on xbox live, you have to buy everything over again

[stage88]

Nice stealth trolling. Oh wait, it wasn't.

[coolasj]

Microsoft would be hanging themselves with a noose if they did all of this. It's just suicidal. But, the rumors keep popping up.

[hazardman]

Man I can't wait for the MS reveal. Only then will I make a decision to buy or not. I hope MS knows that they would be lucky to hit half their current user base if rumors are true. To me all this always on and crap that MS is rumored to have and the gaming social media crap that PS is pushing seems intrusive. People have their opinions and that just mine.

Anyway go ahead with all your bullshit MS, your already making it easy for me to know what console I will be buying in the future.

[kenna999]

If the 720 comes with kinect and the 720 has the same fail rate as the 360 there's going to be lots of kinect sensors in people's homes

[SDF Repellent]

The PS4 is also “always connected”. It is called Connected standby. It has connection to the internet and downloads stuff in the background so it is ready when you eventually need it. Ring a bell? That is EXACTLY what sony talked about at thier press conference.
http://www.shacknews.com/ar...
Yoshida told Eurogamer. "The system has the low-power mode - I don't know the official term - that the main system is shut down but the subsystem is awake. Downloading or updating or you can wake it up using either the tablet, smartphone or PS Vita."

Always connected is not the same as drm checks every second to make sure you don’t do piracy. And it doesn’t mean that if you lose your connection it won’t work. That is not the news here at all. That was the previous rumor. The new rumor only says it is “always on” and “always connected”, just like the PS4.

Man, I gonna need more Repellents as it is getting nasty here. LOL

[MasterCornholio]

The problem with your comment is that your article is from an interview with Yoshida who is the head of the playstation division. Which is why there is absolutely no confirmation from Sony (like you said with Yoshidas comment) that the rumors for the 720 are true or false.

BINGO

""You can play offline, but you may want to keep it connected," Yoshida told Eurogamer. "The system has the low-power mode - I don't know the official term - that the main system is shut down but the subsystem is awake. Downloading or updating or you can wake it up using either the tablet, smartphone or PS Vita.""

Sony has already confirmed that the PS4 can be played without a constant internet connection and hopefully Microsoft will confirm the same when they announce their console.

BTW this remind me of all the rumors claiming that the PS4 wouldnt be able to play second hand games but Yoshida confirmed them to be false.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Agreed. Sony has said you can play offline and play used games.

Not sure what he was reading. LOL!

What troubles me the most, is that you have to install the games on the HDD! They are pretty much going against used games. Period.

Even if you didn't want to use the main Bluray drive, why not just get a faster drive? They have Bluray drives on PC that have fast read speeds so....

Mind you the money you would be spending on more HDD space would make more damn sense on just adding in a better Bluray drive. LOL! Its so silly its not even funny. MS is trying to make money off its supporters period. "The read speeds are so, so you have to install it...y...yeah" LOL! We made a cheaper system by not having a beast Bluray drive, instead you just buy bigger and bigger hdds and it can't play used games.....y...yeah" Its so funny, because it makes no real sense, it only makes sense based off of trying to make money off of there really slow install base.

I mean they bought Live despite the rest of gaming doing otherwise.

MS is aiming to get rid of used games to make more profit JUST like they got rid of core studios to make more profit from Kinect.

Good luck with that 720, I'm not partaking in that train wreck. I own a PC and will get a PS4.

[Jakens]

I love my 360 and but I'll leave her for a younger stronger model.

[BuffMordecai]

Microsoft is the cancer killing the game industry.

[whiteyjuice]

Consoles are so Awesome! I want to own them all!

[XabiDaChosenOne]

Between the WiiUs craptastic hardware and the 720s "observant" one, the PS4 seems like the only console doing it right next gen but I would take a WiiU over this nonsense anyday. What a joke.

[Xtremist]

Bet that 720 will be the favorite console of the Exhibitionists.

[Many-hat5]

I do find some of the posts,well, a bit strange. Many posters seem, either through wilful ignorance or innocent delusion, to miss the point! Where as to others it's blindingly obvious.I'm not sure which of the camps I fall into,I'll let you judge that one,but here's my view for what it's worth. I wouldn't mind a jot if MS elected to use all of the features outlined in the article. No, really, that wouldn't worry me. However, not having the option of turning those features off. Now that's the real problem.I see a great difference between options and choice. Follow me? Anyway, try this crude analogy and see what you think.In the UK, we have more surveillance cameras than anywhere else in europe,apparently. If you take a poll regarding how this makes people feel regarding their personal privacy you find a large percentage will answer along the lines of, 'If I have nothing to hide, then why should I worry'. Makes sense, right? Well, yeah, but that's making the big assumption that those cameras are there only to catch the baddies, not monitor the goodies! Do you see the parallel? Yes this is an increasingly, 'always connected world', but to what and why?

[MultiConsoleGamer]

They're both going to block used games, leaving only Nintendo with a used game market.

The only way Nintendo is going to "attack" used games is by pushing digital.

[josephayal]

omg this is terrible

[QuickdrawMcgraw]

It the NWO,Illuminati crowd who's watching 0 0
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