I want the PS4 to cost $700+

Having the PlayStation 4 cost around $700, it would make it last a lot longer in the field and games would pretty much always be ahead of the competition (excluding PC most of the time). If someone can spend more than that on an iPad, a console should be able to charge that much, right?

[iamnsuperman]

And if so i want a subscription service as an option. Strangly the average consumer doesn't mind shelling out 500 for an ipad in this climate. I do know they would for a games console. I wouldnt mind paying extra over a long period for a console as I know $700 is a price i cannot even bring enough money together at once. A subscription service definatly would help convincing people as it is a lesser blow at one given time

[tdogchristy90]

I keep hearing that if people are willing to pay $700 for an iPad, they should be able to on a console. This really isn't justified. They are two different mediums and even though their are a lot more gamers as of late, I doubt they equal the number the apple/tablet users as a whole.

[TheMrMalro]

People can spend £400 on a blu-ray player with some speakers and not a PS4? It doesn't make sense to me.

[tdogchristy90]

@mrMario

My statement that their different media still stands and can't be compared. Rather we like it or not games are still geared towards kids thus the higher price doesn't compute. At least with blu-ray you have a larger install base, say adults movie lovers from age 30-70, 40 years. This is vs a kid ratio of say 18-30 which is only 20 year demographic.

Again it's not the cost I'm against, I just think trying to Justify it via comparing them like we do isn't justified given the different media and demographics targeted.

[animegamingnerd]

those are appledrones they are a far different species

[UltraVegito]

700$?

People must want sony to crash from the highest mountains and into the pits of hell lol.
I'm sure there are some of you willing to dish out that much but let's be real,599-699$ wouldn't cater to the market nowadays.
399-499$max seems like a reasonable move.
Tbh when it comes down to it games are what everyone wants,high end tech is just icing on the cake.Sony just needs to make a decently spec'd system with a good amount of support and consider me on the ps4 train :)

[BitbyDeath]

@tdogchristy90, i think the point is that the PS3 does Blu-ray and more yet people are willing to spend 400 on just the blu-ray part but not the console.

[ProjectVulcan]

....and I want a haircut to cost $200

But I'd be stupid to actually pay that much for it.

[kneon]

I have no problem paying that much for a ps4 if it's got the games I want, but I wouldn't pay anything for an ipad since there are better and cheaper tablets. But if you want those Sony exclusives you have no other option.

But there is another problem with making an expensive consoles besides the obvious one. The problem is that the rate of change in tech is accelerating so any hardware will be obsolete much faster than in the past. So it may be better to make a cheaper console and just assume a shorter lifespan.

[rainslacker]

I think your somewhat on point. Games nowadays I wouldn't say is geared towards kids, except for those that make them for their target audience. It's more that gaming from a society point of view is considered a kiddy past time.

The differences in the markets are more down to what is needed, and what is considered frivolous. In today's society many people can't imagine being without a cell phone. A tablet is an extension of that. It fills a place in people's lifestyle. It of course isn't needed per se, however it does add significant value to those peoples lives to have those kinds of things convenient to them. It's the same reason frozen microwave dinners, even though less healthy than a home cooked meal, took off in the 80's and 90's, because all of a sudden people's lives just became busier, along with a lot of other social status changes for the modern home.

Consoles, or gaming in general, is still a luxury past time. At the end of the day it doesn't have that same necessity to most people's lives to warrant spending the same as they would on say a tablet.

[CraigandDayDay]

They will launch at around $350 and $450 for the two models. That's my guess.

[knowyourstuff]

If you can't afford it just wait a year or two when it goes down in price, more games will be out so the old tired complaining argument of "no games at launch" won't come up for you. Consoles have always done more than tablets and phones, with bigger and better AAA games, multiple functionalities, it's a different business model altogether.
Companies charge 700 bucks for tablets and phones for no other reason than people are willing to pay it - being made for 60 cents an hour in Foxcon in China, is anyone really naive enough to think it cost anymore than 20 bucks to make an iphone? The cost comes in the massive marketing campaigns, which get people nuts about the phones/tablets, which is why they're willing to pay 700 bucks for one.

The average gamer is in their 30's evidently, so the stupid argument about price is nonsense. It doesn't matter what the price is at launch, every console ever is extremely hard to find in the first 8 months to a year due to selling out practically everywhere, lowering the price does nothing for you if you're selling out left right and center.

[JackBNimble]

I would rather upgrade my pc (at a lower cost) then pay $700 for a ps4. And if I were to pay $700 in upgrades for my pc , it would make the ps4 look like a hand held device compared to my pc.

As it is now ,I am a ps3/pc gamer, but there is no way I would pay that kind of money.

[Oh_Yeah]

No one I know would pay 700 for an ipad.. That's ridiculous, you could buy your own pc gaming rig with that money. But I guess some people buy shit for names, they hear apple and they bend over. The specs in a ipad are worth maybe half that price. Someone did a survey I remember it was what if apple put the word N*gger engraved on the back of the iphone how many would still buy it? The results were like 85%. If ps4 is going to be 700 it better well damn have 700$ parts is all I'm saying.

[DeadlyFire]

I disagree 1000%.

Tech is tech.

iPad is a tablet. Is it necessary for daily life no. Then again neither is a console.

There are actually quite a few people that prefer to not have an Apple product.

Personally $400-$500 is what I expect the next consoles to aim for either way, but I could easily see tech pushing $625 or more for production costs for next generation. $700 is not unreasonable.

People are wiser these days to smarter technology which is a part of the reason why anyone does pay more than $800 for a Cell phone. Its got a bit of every new tech convenience in it. Same for a console.

[Eremgee]

Why are people even comparing an iPad to a ps4? I'm not going to buy an iPad to play tiny iOS games and I'm not going to buy a ps4 to use the Internet.

[UnholyLight]

Yeah this whole iPad thing is dumb. I could never spend that kind of money for myself, especially in this time period where saving money is key so that I can be able to afford both Nextbox and PS4/orbis etc lol

[SolidStoner]

I cant afford to buy ps4 for 700+, but deep inside I want it to be best possible console at that time ever! (and high performance technology cost pretty much)... I just know I will get it anyway (if its good)... and almost every new piece of technology is getting cheaper every year... that way every person who wants it will get it sooner or later... but not everyone can wait that time... so there has to be the middle best way.....

EDIT: forget about that IPad... everyone knows it sucks! :)

[J_Cob]

@kneon

The rate of change for tech is fast but it's never fully utilized. With a set system like consoles devs are able to optimize so games look great on dated hardware. Just look at God of War: Accession, Beyond: Two Souls, Halo 4 and The Last of Us.

[ABizzel1]

I think the correct statement is "I want a $700 PS4 in tech, at a $400 price."

The only way that's happening is a subscription model in which case you buy the PS4 for $299, and pay $10 a month for PS+ (2 years equal $240).

That equals $540, and by that point most people will likely want to keep PS+ after having all the benefits for 2 years, so add in $50 for another 3 years, and boom you've got your $700 PS4 price covered.

But it's not going to happen.

[NateCole]

I upgrade my galaxy every year at 700 plus unlocked. As such even if the PS4 cost 700 it is a steal for me considering that it will last 10 years and it is the center of my home entertainment.

I know this is just me but i want the greatest and best tech in my console. I want it to be AC wifi and those high capacity blu ray with a very powerful cpu/gpu and 16gig ram etc etc.

I want it to be dev freindly with so much power that Sony devs will blow my mind with what they will produce next gen.

My dream ofcourse but will not happen with Ken not there anymore.

[SilentNegotiator]

You people realize that they have to sell to a LOT of people to get developer support, right? That sort of backwards thinking made Sony go from king of consoles to sitting in the middle.

[Norrison]

700$? You can get a high end PC for that.

[cervantes99]

Maybe, but I can't play Sony's exclusives on it.

[FlyingFoxy]

try 1,000 for high end, for 700 you'd get a good mid range one tho.

[papashango]

mid range is still more powerful than the rumored next-gen console specs.

mid-range is still quad core with at least gtx570/hd7870

[ZombieNinjaPanda]

@Cervantes99

And with a Ps4 you can't play PC exclusives or Microsoft Exclusives or Nintendo Exclusives.

[TooTall19]

I built a pc for $1300 recently, and that's only with one 670. $700 would build a pretty average computer.

[Norrison]

@tootall
You don't know where to buy PC parts, mine got 2 gtx 670s and it costed me 1200$, 700$ would give you a high-mid end one.

[Guwapo77]

Sounds great and I would love a super machine... But the game makers will not make games that take advantage of the superior system. The developers will make a games based on the lowest common denominator.

*Wii/U not included in these conversations.

[solid_warlord]

Its the same arguments as...why dont people spend $600 or more for the most powerfull graphics card every year instead. They will be able to have more pixels ect. I'll tell u wat, only nerds would throw away most of there money they earned on such nonsense of a price.

Some of us are not super rich and need to think about how we spend our money such paying bills, rent, morgages and responsible to feeding our family.

Nerds and fanboy sheeps do not need to think or prioritise over buying upgrades of what ever...they just buy it cause of there nerdish instinct.

[MostJadedGamer]

Sony learned there lesson with a $599 PS3 at the very most the PS4 will be $399.

[lfclee]

I believe if you want the latest technology you must pay for it and the ps4 is a must!

[StrongMan]

So you want to see it fail? You would love that wouldn't you?

[TheMrMalro]

No, I want to see it succeed for a longer time. That's the reason it needs to cost more.

[animegamingnerd]

why do you want the PS4 to cost a arm and a leg?

[SkullBlade169]

That didn't work out so well with the PS3 did it...

[Rush]

$700 is approaching mid to high-end PC gaming level, not to mention European markets always get screwed on exchange rates to the dollar thus places like the UK it would still end around 650-700 pound. Which means we would be paying close to 1000 dollars.

Honestly your nutty and extremely closed minded to you think other markets outside of America will accept that nonsense. In the US everything is cheaper due to the strength of the currency, but expecting the European market to pay around 1000 dollars for a console is insane.

[rainslacker]

I'd like to see that as well. However, if it falls flat on it's face out of the gate then there is no hope for long term viability.

$600 was pushing it on the PS3 release, and if it wasn't for Sony's dominance of the PS2 they never would have been able to release such an expensive console.

Going into the next generation, MS and Nintendo are a much bigger competitor than they were when the PS3 released. That price is heavy, and only the most die-hard Sony fan would be willing to drop money on it.

I'm pretty die hard, and I wouldn't support that, because I know that for the most part, games won't really take advantage of it outside of 1st party titles and maybe exclusives. However the huge drop in install base would mean that it will lose a lot of developer support, which means we may not even see many multi-plats for it, and even less 3rd party exclusives.

Now imagine those that like Sony but don't play the console race card. All of a sudden MS $400-500 system looks a hell of a lot more attractive, thus making it more viable for the long term.

[Ju]

I'm not sure...it kinda worked out for the PS3...but what didn't work out is, that the one extra year and the price didn't really end up in the delivery of a massive superior console.

Now, it sold anyway, and pretty much beat the 360 now.

A visible distinction in performance for the $600 would probably pushed the majority over much faster. BD and HDD wasn't enough. But say 1GB and a better GPU would have...and it would have bought Sony probably another 1-2 years today; thus actually extending lifetime and ROI.

I think it could make sense to release later with a more sophisticated model.

However, nothing points that way. Phasing out the PS2, reducing PS3 prices etc points to a rather "early" PS4 release and with that possibly a cheaper model.

Well...what's more, though - and the WiiU shows this - the PS3/360 on the low and will be competing with those next generation machines in the own house.

I'm wondering if the low end price segment isn't already covered...

[tachy0n]

@StrongMan

PS3 started with $599, and tell me, it failed?

if people are too stupid to buy useless ipads for $500+ i dont see why people would hesitate to get the PS4.

[PimpDaddy]

It did fail. Sony had to drop the price 9 months after launch on the 60GB launch PS3 and offer 5 "free" Blu-Ray movies because the sales were so slow.

I should know. I upgraded to a 1080P LCD and bought the PS3 60GB launch model when it was $499.00 instead of $599.00 and I still felt like I was Playing Beyond too soon.

In fact the only reason I got the PS3 was for Blu-Ray. Then once WarHawk came out I finally purchased my first game. The PS3 didn't start gaining momentum till they introduced the 40GB stripped down version for $399.00 which was basically a year after the PS3 launched.

You can't compare a $500.00 tablet that can be taken anywhere and has many functions to a home console that is stationary in your living room and is primarily a videogame console.

[TooTall19]

If it wasn't expensive at launch, we wouldn't have blu ray.

[wishingW3L]

$600 is my limit because $700 plus the taxes from where I live will make the console cost $800 easily.

[rainslacker]

I'd pay $600 if it had full BC with the entire PS line. Hell even throw in PSP digital support.:D

Otherwise I think $500 top of the line model would be my limit, unless there is something spectacular about it above and beyond the other consoles.

[Godmars290]

Couldn't get enough "Its too expensive!" jokes, uh?

[TheFinalEpisode]

I would pay $700 for my ideal console but the truth is most people won't be able to afford one and that leads to less support from devs.

[Conzul]

If the PS4 had two different versions and the base model was $400-$500, then I would gladly pay $700 for a higher-tier model if it came with, say, full backwards compatibility and a nice feature suite like OtherOS or stuff we haven't thought of yet.

[Megaton]

It would sink them as a hardware maker. Even at $700, it would arrive with old tech, making your point and idea null.

[FlyingFoxy]

Er no, by your logic then because it'll be cheaper it would be even more outdated.

[Megaton]

Yeah, it will. That's how consoles work. Guy talks like he's expecting future-proofing to justify $700, but it would still be outdated the moment it launched. Consoles aren't going to launch with the best parts. It's not viable.

[animegamingnerd]

700$=flop on arrival

[sdozzo]

MS and Sony will keep it within $50 of each other. Any greater disparity and one will fall behind greatly for the first few years.

[Software_Lover]

People can spend that much on an Ipad because of various reasons (none that I agree with because I can get a cheaper tablet to do more)

1)The entire family can use the Ipad all the way down to a baby playing a childs app

2)Its the "thing" to have at this point in time as says the media (lol)

3)games and apps start at a cost of........... free, .99 cents. This kind of makes up for the cost.

4)You can use it while traveling as long as you have a data plan (Yes you can use the ps3 if you have tv's and a converter in your car........... but it's not the same)

[admiralvic]

But those are none of the "real" reasons why people can afford it...

People can afford it because it is a more effective laptop for many people. Like using a laptop in bed can be annoying, where as a tablet is fairly simple. Want to travel somewhere? It's a very small / light device to take with you. Plenty of people own a smart phone, which tablets typically (depending how you go about it) allow you to view / edit events on both devices, which is ultimately more convent to many people.

In a lot of ways it has several practical and justifiable uses in most peoples day to day lives. This is something you CAN'T say about the PS4, since even though we don't know what it includes, the PS3 (any many other devices...) allow you to stream videos, play blurays / dvd's, boot digital files, which I don't see the PS4 offering them something they don't exactly need.

[PopRocks359]

I certainly hope you're wrong then. I'd never be able to afford one if that happened. I'd have to do what I did with the PS3 and wait years before getting one.

[Ju]

Obviously a console sells even 5 years after its introduction. You won't be the only one. And even if $600 (will never be 700 anyway) it will come down in price eventually. No doubt about it.

[Yangus]

700$? Its a bad joke...

[Software_Lover]

The ps4 could've have been Sony's biggest money maker as far as consoles are concerned, from the get go. The only thing they needed to do was get a speedier BR drive, add more ram, an updated GPU, and an updated Cell. That simple. Most of that would've cost chump change in the big scheme of things.

[BlackWolf]

Then not many many people will buy it. 700 bucks is way too much for a game console. Period.

[BanBrother]

In Australia the PS3 was $1000, and I still got one. Even the PSX was $700 when I got it. Love to be able to get the PS4 for roughly the same price as everyone else, but I doubt the prices would be comparable. Even though the Australian dollar is better vs the US dollar.

[miyamoto]

"PM'd me first"
huh? do u have amnesia or short term memory?

"it really does not bother me"
LOL
then you could just have ignored me or whatever, right?

intead of these:

"@miyamoto

"negative publicity to all things PlayStation by using Xbox just for hits."

Thanks, I was meaning to ask why there was so much kotaku hate around here, go figure (not that I read kotaku anyway).

I just find it funny, considering some of your posts are Sony fanboy drivel, yet you call a site out for doing the exact same thing, but I suppose it isn't what YOU want hear. Hypocrite much?

Whatever, I know you are immature and stupid so it really does not bother me. You PM'd me first, so try harder. I only hope one day you will grow up and realise how idiotic and narrow minded you were when you were younger."

eh, Mr. Contradiction?

was really hoping for a civilized conversation, Brother
but I have to block you to save my precious time

learn to talk with sense

bye

[TacoTaru]

They stuck between the proverbial rock and hard place. If they make it cheap enough for the masses to buy the tech won't be a big leap from where we are. If they provide the tech that would make it shine it will cost too much for most people to afford. Wouldn't want to be Sony and compromise and end up with Wii-U type hardware because no matter how good-enough it is the fanny boys will cry.

[mamotte]

Comparing a productive portable tool, with a entertainment center?

Wow, just... wow.

[EffectO]

Some people really want to see Sony go down.

[WiiStation_360]

I cannot afford a $700 console :(

[BitbyDeath]

$700 seems like a bit much, not money wise, but what will it include for $700? Even with the latest hardware you'd expect it to be 400-500 so 700 would have to have some sort of fancy new tech inside. But i couldn't imagine what, even VR shouldn't add that much on the price.

[rainslacker]

Truthfully, it doesn't matter what it includes to the average consumer. Whatever tech they include can be cool, but how many average people know all the functions available to them on current consoles.

In the end it's still a game console. For the foreseeable future, they will always be considered that. If MS goes this whole "center of the living room" route, then you can expect them to change this viewpoint through marketing, at which time a more expensive device may be worth while, but even then, most people will be looking for the cheapest option to do the same thing, of which there are currently many options.

I believe gaming capabilities will take a back seat to the average consumer for the center of their living room.

[Zancruz]

If Sony made a $700 system they'll mostly have a cheaper one available for purchase too... But we do live in a society that will buy a $200+ dollar pair headphones, $250+ dollar pair of gymshoes, $200+ dollar pair of jeans or a $1000+ dollar purse. SOOoooo im pretty sure people will buy still if its worth it to them.

[kneon]

You are overlooking why people buy those things. For many the most important aspect is to be seen having these items. They try to make up for their self esteem issues by buying what the media tell them is cool even though there is almost always better and cheaper alternatives.

The problem is that you can't easily show off your ps4 and so it has less value in their eyes.

[TheRealHeisenberg]

Yep, and I look like $1 million big ones with all that on too...errrummm except for the purse.

A $700 price point would be a huge mistake for Sony. The mass market can't afford that right now.

[Truthandreason]

Some people will buy anything, but 200 bucks for something trendy that you show off everywhere is much different then 700 that sits out your house. 200 bucks is Christmas gifts and birthday gifts for lots of people, 700 bucks narrows your market quite a bit, that's a lot to give up at one time.

[Axonometri]

This is something I talked about a while ago. 600 for the PS4 and shelling out at least 5 grand for a TV is just stupid. Exactly how many in the US could afford that right now? Putting an option for 4k I could see, but pushing it will do nothing but hurt Sony at this point in time.

Edit: Here is a better idea, muscle stimulator and nerve sense rig.

[i8urCAKE]

Bro 700$+ ? crazy man. if it's that price the PS4 will fail and i will hate to see xbox take over.

[FlyingFoxy]

Well i'm a PC gamer but from what's been said recently the 720 will be more powerful.

[LOOK_AT_THIS_I]

Nothing has been said. It's all rumors. The next Xbox has a built in toaster, and the ps3 has a coffee maker. Trust me, my brothers wife's sister has a boyfriend that knows a guy who cleans an office for someone who works for both companies he's a secret double agent. Its on the Internet it's gotta be true.

If they include the AR glasses or the illumiroom tech type gadgets than I could see a significant increase. Without those big new "toys" it's gonna be around the 350-400 mark for each console.

[Jadedz]

Seriously?

Why not build a beast of a PC for that price?

[TheMrMalro]

The Last of Us, Uncharted, Resistance, Killzone, LittleBigPlanet, Heavy Rain and more are why.

[RuperttheBear]

There are a few exclusives I want for my ps3 this year, last year there were none. The exclusives are great and all, but I buy far more games for my pc. A pc for $700 would be a much wiser investment than the ps4.

That's not to say I won't be buying a ps4, because it would undoubtedly have many games worth buying over its lifespan. But I won't be paying $700 for one, and neither would the vast majority of the gaming community. It just wouldn't happen.

Those that say they would are a small minority.

[papashango]

As a pc gamer that had a PS3. I can honestly say pc gamers aren't missing out on anything you listed. The last of us looks interesting and Uncharted 1 and 2 was worth a play but those other titles are crap.

I'd rather not be without my pc because as most pc gamers know. You never know when something like DayZ or Minecraft comes along. When a mod on PC hits. It usually comes without warning and catches the industry by surprise.

I won't even get into pc exclusives which is always too many to count. Not to mention the many quality free 2 play titles that rival AAA console titles and exceed replayability value. Games like League of Legends, Planetside 2 and Mechwarrior Online to name a couple.

[DarkBlood]

If it was to cost that much i dont think i would get it right away and would for the time being focos on getting more ps3 games and other consoles for my collection

[landog]

it needs to be $500 at least, or else it will be either ;

A. sold at an enourmous loss (sony CANNOT afford that)

B. absolute, bottom of the barrel parts and not worth calling next gen (i.e. wii u)

ps4 needs minimum 4 gb ram, 1gb vram (equal AT LEAST to a gtx 650....660 ti would be ohhh so much better, and a fast quad core i-7 920 spec at least)

anything less and your just getting a 5 year old pc without the capability to upgrade, the above specs would at least make it close to a mid spec pc from a few years ago, i.e. 1080p games at 30-60 frames, 4x aa and MUCH better texture rendering, resolutions, shadows...ect...ect...

[SAE]

Exactly.Bubble for you . I hope sony dont listen to people here. They don't know whats good for them..

Do the math for your self guys !! You just talk. Cheap ps4 means it's useless to upgrade ..

[Neko_Mega]

It is true, not matter how you look at it. If someone can spend $500 or $800 on a IPhone/IPad for their little kids.

Then why can't they buy a console? Plus I would tell my kids to learn to save up their money if they wanted it so badly.

[RuperttheBear]

People that bring up the iphone or ipad are missing the point. Apple at this moment of time have a huge fanbase, far bigger than Sony, Sony could only dream of having a fanbase as large. People who buy iphones and ipads would buy a turd in a box with the Apple logo.

If you think Sony has the pulling power Apple products have you are very much mistaken.

[DEATHxTHExKIDx]

Even a 500$-600$ price tag dosent sound appealing. $400-$450max. PS3 couldnt get away with 600$ at launch neither will PS4.

[SAE]

Tech stays but price change. you dont like the price ?. wait for price drop . that way you wil get it cheap with high tech which means better games/ big collection/updated hardware/softwares/apps etc..

im really really confused. why you people dont want powerfull consoles ?. why do you want just a simple upgrade ?. why upgrade if it's only 30$ more then current generation price ? what will they upgrade with that 30$ ??????

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Son...

Even if it's 100$ more then current generation. that's not an upgrade at all !

[sandman224]

I also will pay the money. I say for those who can't afford it Sony should release an option to pay it off monthly. Or buy it in full. I think that iPhone 5's/iPads cost from 600-900 dollars. We should definitely afford to pay the same amount for a console

[StrawHatPatriot]

People don't necessarily mind shelling $300 plus for a tablet since it's a complete entertainment device.

If the PS4 was also your Television service provider and served as your Computer's operating system, than it wouldn't be an issue to buy it at that price then.

[mochachino]

iPads and other tablets have a lot of business/academic related functions and are portable.

[cyclindk]

On a side note.. has it been established, more or less, what Mircro is going to employ as their optical-drive solution in their next console?

They gonna bite the bullet and go blu-ray?

Or whip out some proprietary HD-DVD resurrection?

Solid state gaming cartridges?! Who knows..

I still can't wait to use little glowing crystals like in Super Man.

[ZoyosJD]

Gotta be blue-ray.

SSD are too expensive anyway. SSD or proprietary lose the most common optical storage medium for movies.

Digital...go download a 50GB game then get back to me...in a month, lol.

Not to mention royalties on BR are only a few cents per device and something like a cent every 10 disks anyway. Not supporting BR would be MS shooting themselves in the foot equivalent to the RROD.

[cyclindk]

Sounds about right. What is Nintendo using for their storage format? Disc-wise?

Nintendo optical discs

The Wii U is backward compatible with Wii Optical Discs, though not GameCube discs.[14] Reportedly to control costs, the Wii U also uses a disc format developed and supplied by Panasonic, with a capacity of 25 GB (single layer). The optical discs used for the Wii U differ from other optical disc formats in that they have soft, rounded edges.[15]

[ZoyosJD]

lol. you got it, but the wiiu doesnt even support dvd, although it does support tivo and netflix. im pretty sure the ps4 will support 4k blue ray disks for movies at minimum.

[cyclindk]

I'd imagine so, I mean putting out a product, like a console and Tvs which aren't compatible with one another in this day and age would be truly pitiful...

Gonna be interesting, this generation here, reaaaaal interest'n.

[th3n00bg4m3r]

Well, I don't.

[MehmetAlperTR]

me neither :(

[SAE]

Tech stays but price change. you dont like the price ?. wait for price drop . that way you wil get it cheap with high tech which means better games/ big collection/updated hardware/softwares/apps etc..

im really really confused. why you people dont want powerfull consoles ?. why do you want just a simple upgrade ?. why upgrade if it's only 30$ more then current generation price ? what will they upgrade with that 30$ ??????

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Son...

[th3n00bg4m3r]

That is exactly what I am going to do. I will wait for price drop, and since the PlayStation 3 has such a great library, there is no need to worry.

[ShinraE5]

Sony launched at 600.00 and BARELY got the silver medal after two generations of outright dominance.

What do you think would happen zt 700.00 or more?

[NoTheMama]

yeah....no.
I want a PS4, but no way I'm paying that kinda money for one. The PS3 was $1000 when it first launched here in Australia, and nobody wanted a bar of it then. Of course I had one though lol

[Riderz1337]

Apple - They can charge you 800$ for a phone thats an inch longer
Sony - Can't charge more than $400 for a next gen system that will have noticeable improvements.

I love the world we live in.

[PooEgg]

You are foolish if you pay $800 for a phone. You are also foolish if you pay $700 for a PS4.

But then again this world is full of foolish people, the same people who bought houses they couldn't afford, which started the financial meltdown that we are all still experiencing. Foolish people will be foolish.

If you can afford a $800 phone or a $700 PS4 good for you, but I'll be keeping my money in a good savings account until the price drops to a more affordable level.

[Riderz1337]

Who said anything about buying a phone for $800? I'm sorry but I think you should read what I wrote again. I said that Apple gets away with charging ridiculous prices when they don't innovate something but other companies can't charge the same amount for their products even if they do innovate. Just so you know, an Iphone 5 is $800. Even if you buy it with a service plan it will still add up to $800 because you pay a monthly fee.

[PooEgg]

You said:

"They can charge you 800$ for a phone thats an inch longer:"

And I said you are foolish for paying $800 for a phone. (not necessarily YOU, but people in general, since perhaps that was not clear)

I can read just fine, but I cannot read your mind. ; )

I am simply saying that I think it is foolish to waste your money on overpriced phones and it is just as foolish to waste your money on overpriced game systems.

Either idea is foolish to me.

[ninjahunter]

I dont, that's like 3-4 months spending money!
I got bills to pay.

[strigoi814]

I bet this website will be the first one to complain about the ps4 pricing..

[OC_MurphysLaw]

No...just no. At over $700 I will buy a pc that kicks the crap out of any console xbox, ps4... even the steam box. I am not a pc gamer, but at that price point I am not blind either.

[Max-Zorin]

You saw how people reacted to the 600 dollar price. 700 will only fan the flames.

[Ulf]

I want the PS4 cost me $500, but for an additional $200 to be subsidized by this guy.

More consoles sold means more (and better) games, bro. A game on a $500 console with the '$$$' behind the eyes of the developers, knowing they can rake in some $$$ when they ship their game, will beat the socks off ANY game on any $700 console, because the $700 console game won't be worth the investment by the publisher (and hence, devs).

Great games are not just about the hardware they run on. I can run some really lame demos on my GTX 580 right now, at 1080p, 60Hz, you name it. They were totally made for high-end GPUs, too. Oh except I erased them... because they were lame, and I never bothered with buying them. Probably they were lame because the number of people who own GPUs in the same class as my GTX 580 is.. well.. pretty small, in the relative sense, and the publisher was smart enough to know this... I hope that's a clear enough example.

[hawkeyejonjon]

Sorry no. Just no.

Do you remember what happened with ps3 when it launched at $599.99? There was a backlash.

Imagine what will happen if they launched ps4 at $699.99+. It will make the ps3 backlash look better.

The title of the opinion piece should be "i want Sony to die because i want ps4 to be $700+" because that is what will happen if they priced it that. What you want is outrageous. Do you want Sony to die?

I want the ps4 to be $399.99-$499.99 because that is more reasonable and people will buy it. Sorry but they might as well commit suicide at $699.99+. Unlike you, i want ps4 to succeed than fail miserably

Ipads are different than home game consoles. Ipads can go anywhere and do practically everything and home consoles can only stay in homes and can only do 1/4 of the things that ipads can do.

[yeahokchief]

the reason it won't be $700 is because video games are marketed towards children. kids won't be able to get their parents to pay $700 for something. ipads on the other hand are targeted at a wider age range where adults can easily afford them. if you want to spend more on the platform you need to buy a pc and thats coming from someone who considers himself more of a console gamer than a pc gamer.

i could easily afford a $700 ps4 since i skipped the Wii u, but i dont plan on spending any money until they lower the payroll tax just to stick it to the economy and the government for screwing over the middle and lower class this year with the tax increase. not spending a penny this year. no exceptions. i paid for all 5 of my 2013 games last year.

[shinkiro]

if it can play 2160p games at 60fps, support 4 1080p displays or 8 720p displays at once for 8-players, stay significantly superior to its competitors in terms of raw power, then why wont i pay 700$?

[Indo]

If it doesnt look worth $700+ for it(meaning spec wise) i wouldnt mind coughing up that much. Shit i payed that much for my phone but then again we all asked for power in these next gen consoles like PS4 and 720 we have to pay the price. At sum point its to much tho. If i would of got a Gaming PC instead of a PS2 this wouldnt be a problem.

[Platinum_k]

...If only Playstation 4 was an Apple Product, then yes, it would be a possibility.

But Playstation 4 is a Sony product. It simply doesn't have the marketing popularity as the Apple industry have with brain washed "Apple-Zombies" buyers.

It would need a strong initial Launch-line-up of games!!!... and an Apple sticker on it.

[PersonMan]

Hey, I'm an Apple guy, but I still love Sony as well. I buy Apple products because I don't see the same quality in other products and the software is better in my opinion.

I've seen people get sick of the iPhone, so they buy an android device... a few days later, they've returned the android and they're back on the iPhone.

I don't think people are blindly just buying Apple products.... it's just that Apple makes better devices and software so people tend to stick with it.

Then there's the people who hate Apple because they don't wanna be a part of that "Apple crowd" and will do everything in their power to stay away from Apple and it's products without even giving them a try.

Apple is popular for a reason...

[TheNocturnus]

Apple is garbage.

[wishingW3L]

Apple is overpriced but not garbage.

[ShaunCameron]

But Apple doesn't make inferior-quality products, though. They're just overpriced.

The thing is Sony is trying to sell a video game console, multimedia capabilities notwithstanding. When people think PlayStation, they think video games and feel that anything above $300-$400 for a video game console is ridiculous.

[DivineAssault]

too much.. $400 basic $500 deluxe would be more than enough to make a great & long lasting sysyem

[The_Con-Sept]

Then the Xbox 720 should cost double!!!!!! And fail twice as much!!!!!

(Oh come on that was funny!)

Now for the real bit. I think people who buy iPhones at that 200 dollar contract plan are stupid. I will even call myself stupid because I bought my phone for 500 without a contract. But if people have bought literally the same item over and over again, and I am not just talking about iPads, only to have a single specification change from year to year then why not charge everyone 1 million dollars and give us free food and shelter for as long as we can make the minimum payment....... Oh yeah that is already happening.....

[PersonMan]

People seem to think that consoles are small PCs, but they're not. Look at the PS3 launch games compared to what we have today. Same hardware, way better games.

I think the PS4 needs to have some pretty hefty hardware to show much of a jump from what we have now and then over time, the games will get better and better on it.

Heck, I'd be happy if they kept making games for the PS3 as long as the story is good and the graphics are reasonable.

The walking dead, for example, doesn't need powerful hardware. It's just a really good game with a great story that draws you in.

[cedaridge]

$700.00 is the same price of my house. Not sure if i'm willing to pay that much for the PS4.

[Bigkurz85]

lol what?

[J86blum]

I would drop at most 500.00 on the PS4 if it has the following: Wireless internet, blu-ray, more then two usb outlets for extra controlers, or wireless headset or so fworth. least 500GB (since im assuming games will take more memory.) backwards compat ps1-3.

Please be able to run it on my SONY 3D Display. Since that is my game tv in my room.

[frankiebeans]

make it so you can upgrade the performance with a simple expansion slot for like $100-200 for each new upgrade they come out with every year or 2.

[JihadJoe]

If the games cost around $5 like they do in the app stores subsequently, I'd be glad to pay $700 for a PS4. To think anyone would want to shell out $700 and $60+ for every game afterward much less the average consumer, is pretty moronic.

[Bigkurz85]

"t would make it last a lot longer in the field and games would pretty much always be ahead of the competition."

a) Sales would suck...again
b) Games won't be that much better because all multi-plats will be scaled to the [likely] higher-selling system aka a cheaper-than-ps4- 720.

[zerocrossing]

"I want the PS4 to cost $700+"

MORON!!!

Sorry but that's as articulate as care to get for such a ridiculous statement.

[BLAKHOODe]

The PS3 and a game cost about $700 when it first came out, too.. that didn't work out too well for Sony as the PS3 was seen early on as a disaster, before price cuts saved the console.

When I heard about the Vita, knowing how Sony first priced the PS3, I expected it to cost about $400 to $500. I was amazed it was only $250 (for the WiFi only model), which seemed like a reasonable price point to me. So, I think Sony learned something about price points and even though it's been 6 or 7 years, I don't think they would make the mistake of trying to market another $700 console.. at least, not without having less costly options available.

Sony made a lot of mistakes with the PS3, which has taken them years to sort out and it's ultimately became a great console. I think they learned from a lot of those mistakes. That said, I expect the PS4 to cost about $500.

[Funky_Homosapien]

I want it to cost them 700 also but cost me 199.99 :D

[Valenka]

It must be nice to be rich enough to just shell out $700 like penny change.

[SnakeCQC]

one thing you always get with a sony console is a high level of convergence the only thing that would put me off buying one is the lock on used games

[seanpitt23]

Put it this way if it cost less than $700 it won't have the specs people want because top notch specs costs money

[josh14399]

I paid £400 for my ps3 at launch which was about $800 at the time i think. I'm not willing to pay that much again and the max I'll pay is £350 with a game.

[BrianC6234]

No way will Sony do that. Not after the hate they got on the PS3. I think they did okay on the PS3 but too many gamers don't want to pay more for a more powerful console. They think it should be $299 or so. But having a low price means cutting costs and where will that be? Probably things like RAM. I hope the PS4 at least has enough RAM for the power of the console.

[Kos-Mos]

I want gaming back on PS4! This generation has been an utter disgrace to us intellectual gamers. *coughshootersandsocalledadven turegamescough*
Thank the divine justice for Demon`s Soul`s and Xenoblade!

The truth is always stronger than opinions.

[ajax17]

As long as the quality reflects the price! And give it a longer warranty than 1 year!!!

[Kingthrash360]

Please, 700$? Nigga that's rent

[HorrorGod]

Some people buy shoes for $200-300
SHOES... Let that sink in.
(And they don't even wear them.)

[silkrevolver]

I don't.

[Kennytaur]

Sure, why not. I paid over $700 for my PS3. Heck, I'd pay $900+ for the PS4, day one. No, I'm not rich, I'm a student, just living in Norway where everything is expensive.

[khowat]

Whoever wrote this article doesn't actually want a 700$ ps4, he wants a 700$ pc which can play Sony exclusives. Consoles and PCs aren't supposed to occupy the same place in one's life. A PC sits under a desk doing a lot of different things and plays games at ridiculous resolutions and with amazing textures. Consoles are multi-media entertainment centres that mainly play video games. Consoles aren't supposed to have cutting edge graphics, they do not herald what will come next in the way of computing technology. They are made to be cheap, low-power dedicated gaming PCs. To look at what will come next in the way of graphics look at a high-end PCs, and if you look at them now and specifically how games themselves look, not tech demos, not tessellation demos but how the games themselves specifically look, they don't look very next-gen. I'm not a PC gamer but seriously, if all you care about is specs, just get a PC

There is a gap in the world between power and price. Power isn't increasing at the rate at which the pricing can be justified with it, as in graphics aren't getting extremely better but the price is not slowing down with it. What we will most likely see next gen for 400-500$ will be a notch in the graphics setting from high to ultra and maybe some new engines will create some really great looking games. When it comes to specs they aren't getting much better.

[Steadyhndz]

It's people like you that make me scared for the future of the human race. You literally compared an Apple product to a gaming device...congratulations.

[Rockubot]

I hope it costs a lot so nobody will buy it, Also I hope they charge for everything.

[NateCole]

I want it pack much more than the PS3 so if that means it cost 700 at launch then so be it.

I buy a new smartphone every year unlock at 700 plus so paying 700 plus for the PS4 that will last me at least 7 years is more than worth it for me.

[WildArmed]

Higher costs=\=qaulity

Sony could just mark up the production cost by 200%

Hope ur happy with ur 700$ machine then

[gamernova]

A high price point will leave out a lot of people who can't afford it. It is a risky move especially when the 600 dollar price point of the ps3 hurt them as badly as it did.

[ahm]

i agree with u, but still i dont want it to becuz these gamers will wine too much, But u right.

[Pwnage2u]

If the PS4 was $700, it would fail faster then the apple pippen.

[jjb1981]

I would pay up to 700 as long as it was going to have graphics that rivals current high-end PC machines that way I don't have to upgrade my PC. I'm a console gamer at heart and choose a controller over keyboard & mouse any day. Ill spend my money as I choose.

[bunfighterii]

It could cost $2000 and I'd buy it. I'm not a teenager relying on my parents anymore like when PS3 came out. I got money BIATCH!

[millzy102]

here's a link to a list of all launch prices for home consoles since the nes.

http://vgsales.wikia.com/wi...

notice something, the average launch price is $199 - $299 but in uk we pay for the most part in pounds what you pay in dollars, we get ripped off.

console where never invented to have the best tech, there ment to be reasonbly priced gaming machines with fun playable games, they have moved to a more media hubs but i buy them for gaming, if i wanted a media hub ive got one, its called cable tv with on demand and a big surround sound cd and dvd player although i only use it for games.

someone said they want the latest GTX graphics card in ps4, that alone is more than the price of the console, fanboys live in a dream world. no company can release a console for 700 dolars that is pc teritory and the main reason people dont play pc is the price.

there has been 2 consoles released at 700 or more the neo geo and the 3do (ever heard of it) i thought not because they both flopped.

what do you think sony are going to do, release a super computer that cost a small fortune to keep fan boys happy or a reasonbly priced machine for mass market.

alot of fanboys are going to be upset come e3 but when they get over it they will say its the games that matter not power which is ultimatly the point, ps1 or ps2 anybody? they where not power houses but they had the games, sony releases one machine that is the most powerful on the market and all of a sudden that is all that maters, why did you play ps1 or ps2 in the first place by that logic you should have played n64 or xbox 1, and if your an arrogant kid that started playing this gen that think consoles have always been super powerful stfu as you have no idea what consoles are on the market for.

@bunfighter good for you if you can afford 2 grand on ps4 but you'll be the only 1. most of us are adults with jobs and i work 39 hours a week manufactring aston martin exhust and only come out with £1000 pm not much left after bills and i work fucking hard, your arrogance is an insult to people who work hard for a living and get shit wages because of the economy, i havn't had a pay rise in 3 years.

[AO1JMM]

No thanks...