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The PS4 and Xbox 720 need to have at least 16GB of RAM to be relevant

It is without doubt that RAM or memory is about the most important item in a console. When there is enough RAM in a system it allows the developers to try different kinds of tricks and do many things there want to do. With enough RAM in a system developers can do better graphics, physics, AI and a lot more. But RAMs are very expensive these days and console makers have to keep the cost down to be able to make a console that is affordable for the consumers. Console makers will have to choose between a powerful console and an expensive one. In the end something has got to give.

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SynGamer4154d ago (Edited 4154d ago )

The cost of RAM will most likely prevent this from happening. If anything, we'll be lucky to get 8GB, and I fully expect Sony and MS to announce their new consoles have 4GB.

The thing to remember is these new consoles will likely have dedicated OS RAM, and then RAM that can be used for games. Personally, 4GB seems like more than enough if it's ONLY being used for the game/textures. We're still going to need at least a 12X Blu-ray drive to try and fill those 4GB up. a 12X Blu-ray drive is capable of roughly 54MB/s, so we're looking at roughly 19 seconds to fill 1GB...1GB.

So yeah, I expect 4GB to be completely honest. That said, I would love to see 8GB of RAM just to shut up some of the devs :P

darthv724154d ago

The phrase: "you can never have to much" doesnt apply to consoles.

There is a limit based on the balance of everything else in the system. you cant just throw gobs of memory at something and expect the performance to be increased proportionately.

it depends on the overhead. What sort of resources are required for everything else to run in the background. 16gb...I dont even have a PC that uses that much nor do i know of any gaming PC that uses that much.

Not saying they dont exist, im just saying I personally have never seen one nor any of my extreme PC friends with one. 8gb max. Maybe 10 if you add in a 2gb video card.

Me, I have 4gb and a 1gb video card. yeah, im behind the times but it does what i need it for. As to the topic at hand, we know it wont be any LESS than 4gb which puts it possible at 4-8 maybe a little more but 16....not happening.

Especially considering the performance of games like Last of Us are demonstrating at 512mb, split in fact.

SynGamer4154d ago

I forgot to continue my initial post, but I wanted to mention that PCs are completely different from consoles. on a PC, 4GB of RAM is being shared between the OS/programs and the game, etc. On a console 4GB of RAM is going solely to the game (hopefully Sony and MS give the OS it's own memory to run off of). That's a HUGE difference. That's 4,096 MB that the developers can (potentially) use, compared to about 480 MB on the current systems (PS3 and 360).

And as I pointed out in my first post, the developers will need to fill that 4GB of RAM. Yes, it should allow games to store far more in memory; world size, objects, NPCs, etc. But if they can't use 4GB solely for the game, then I personally feel they are doing a terrible job at optimizing their games.

Ju4153d ago

The OS won't grow that much. So, whatever it takes it most likely will use then. Maybe a little be more they'll ad a more sophisticated UI.

Also, PCs have dedicated graphics cards (at least gaming PC). They hardly use 4GB shared (1 or 2GB VRAM is common now).

And lately, next gen consoles will probably run more OS services in parallel to the game, e.g. apps on top of a game (like a browser, video call??? system menus, even the store fronts) so, there will be a need to have more memory available for apps not only the game(s). I still believe those apps will be lean and 4GB is plenty in such an environment (hell, it runs usually in a phone with 1GB incl. the OS). More than 4GB is hardly imaginable for cost reasons. Even if RAM would be cheap, the least amount which gives the most features will make it in the machine; what ever is most feasible to fit the needs.

rainslacker4153d ago

There's not a single game out on PC that requires more than 4GB's of system RAM. This is because it's the most common configuration in new PC's. It's not to say that some games may use more memory if it's available, but most of the time that extra memory is used for OS and background tasks, and not a particular application.

I personally have 12GB's of RAM, but upgraded from 4 because I work with some super high poly models in 3DS Max which does take up any available memory, and 4 wasn't cutting it.

I'd be surprised if the next gen has more than 2 GB's of memory, and maybe some for the OS similar to the Wii U, and possible a separated architecture for the video memory. It comes down to that consoles are much more efficient than a general purpose computer for the things they do. It would be nice to have 4GB's for long term viability, but given the need for profitability I don't see it happening. Those few extra dollars add up over millions of units.

blackbeld4153d ago

16GB very nice but it not gonna happen.

4GB is more likely.

16GB is overkill the console price will be sky high.

Tsar4ever014153d ago (Edited 4153d ago )

Come'on, The Crytek CEO was only speaking hypothetically, I don't believe he really meant consoles should get 32gb, But he was clearly referring to the future, there no telling how much video/graphic memory will be needed to run
the highest end PC & console games 7-8 yrs from today. We don't know what were going to see or know for sure how much of video/graphic memory or the type of hardware will needed to run them properly.

But 16gb to 32gb whatever how crazy it all sounds, but hypothetically speaking, I'm with crytek all the way with this, I've seen crytek's work on high-end pc and I'd want very much to see the same visual quality in graphic capability achieved on consoles, and if petitioning hardware designers to push harder on video/graphic MEMORY is the way to do it, I think us gamers should get on board help push too.

darthv724153d ago

yeah i know he was speaking in a hypothetical manner. Yet do we really think things will be coded the way they are now....7 years from now?

The idea that we will need such amounts of memory only shows the short sighted view that thing will stay the same in regards to programming techniques but the size of the renderings will get larger.

Just as with technology getting smaller and faster so will the programming techniques in taking what amounts to a huge open world size type of game but making it fit within the palm of your hand.

In fact, not too long ago it was demonstrated that there could be a fully fledged windows type OS with internet browser and yet fit within the size of a 1.44mb floppy disk.

The future isnt about getting bigger, its about making things smaller and more compact. Newer compression algorithms and chips so fast yet so small that the equivalent of a big gaming PC in your pocket.

Consoles of the future will be portable as well as stationary. Just because you hold it in your hands when on the go doesnt mean it cant plug into a tv when you are at home. And create the full immersive HD (maybe even 3D) experience.

To sort of add to my point of better programming, just look at the games at the ps3 launch and compare them to what is coming out next year. Its the same hardware but they just got better at using it. Imagine what they can do a few years from now with something as small as a phone.

sikbeta4153d ago

They can do 32GB of the slowest RAM ever if it's for the sake of the size, like Mr Crytek wanted :P but that doesn't work because most GPUs now use GDDR5 RAM which is faster than Edram and also expensive as @#*/! XD

So, the only thing they would do is put so much Edram as possible and then fill the thing with DDR3 and call it a day -__-

Sarcasm4153d ago

This article is blasphemy, The PS4 and Xbox 720 need to have at least 128 Terabytes of RAM to be relevant. It also needs to have 7.5GHz CPUs under LN2 and a GTX 990 that has 512 million CUDA cores!!!

And they need to make sure it stays below $299 or else like the article writer I'm not buying it!!!

AsimLeonheart4153d ago

I agree with you. 16 GB is just overkill and will only drive the cost of the console upwards. I wonder how some people demand such high specs for a console and then also want it to be under $400 at launch. I think 8 GB is more than enough and even then it will add significantly to the manufacturing cost. Maybe 4 GB will be enough and more affordable. I think Sony will especially try to keep the cost down next-gen while aiming for maximum performance within a certain cost range because the high production cost of the PS3 in its early days really hurt them this gen. I hope they can balance cost and power nicely next-gen so that both customers and Sony can benefit from it.

Denethor_II4153d ago

Yeah, why not chuck 32gb of RAM in there as more is always better. I have 8gb of RAM in my pc and have never needed 4gb.

AAACE54153d ago

This would be an interesting topic if the guy could use proper grammer.

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Enemy4153d ago

16? I don't even know any PC gamers with that much RAM on their machines. 8GB is what I'd like to see, but realistically, we'll likely see 4GB.

Megaton4153d ago

My money's on 4gb as well. 16gb is overkill for a PC, let alone a console.

sikbeta4153d ago

Remember these consoles will last for 5/6/7 years, so what it sounds like overkill right now, it may be the standard a few years later...

Sarcasm4153d ago

"Remember these consoles will last for 5/6/7 years, so what it sounds like overkill right now, it may be the standard a few years later..."

4GB was the minimum for PCs 4-5 years ago. Fast forward to today, 4GB is still the minimum and much more isn't really needed unless you have a crap ton of background apps.

System RAM isn't the de facto element that all of a sudden makes games run better. It's just a pipeline to fit data in for faster access times when the CPU needs it. The reality for gaming is that Video Memory is going to play a bigger role. And right now top end GPU's still only have 2-3GB and it is beyond sufficient for native 1080p games.

RevXM4153d ago

4Gb?

4 GB may have been the standard for 5 years, but then again graphics and other things in games havent exactly changed radically in that time either just compare Crysis to any recent pc game youd like. 4GB has been the norm prolly because 32 bit Windows have been where the sales are at, and Consoles have less also.
But the hardware have kept going on and is 20-30 times more powerful than Ps3 and 360 hardware today.

http://www.computerandvideo...

So for a current gen game at juicy resolutions, sure 4-6 GB would be allright.
Next gen however, well lets not vote to put restrictions on the future as future games should not only run at and with better resolutions, but at a greater fidelity and with way more going on in terms of number of objects, physics, AI and so on.

Id like to se 12-16GB ram on the next systems myself to avoid major bottlenecking new hardware and potentially even launch games.
Id be very dissapointed if I knew that future games would have huge typical traits from games all the way back to 2007... In 2014.

Anything beyond 16 would be nice too unless it comes at the cost of the memory speed or other things, but 12 is what Im realistaically hoping for.

rainslacker4153d ago

The past 5 years system memory has stayed pretty much the same, and OS's and applications taking up less of it as things become more efficient, Windows 8 has a pretty low memory footprint compared to XP. A majority of video cards use 1-2GB's of memory, but this is more likely due to most games not really taking advantage of higher amounts.

I think 2GB is probably going to be standard for next gen, but wouldn't be surprised at 4. If it's 2 there may be some extra slower memory set aside for the OS. How it's set up is a different topic however, and there are several configurations to choose from.

Enemy4153d ago

@ rainslacker: If Sony sticks to their regular pattern, the PS4 will have 8GB of RAM, even if it means splitting it between RAM and VRAM again. But it's hard to tell at this point as nothing factual has actually leaked the architecture. I'm right there with you in keeping expectations low and 2GB is the safest bet, considering costs.

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Tapioca Cold4153d ago

Agreed.

At the beginning of last gen everyone wanted a beast of a console. Sony delivered. (built in wi-fi, hdmi, blu-ray, built in batteries, removeable storage, blu-tooth,free online) then everyone complained of price. If you want the best, you fools need to pay the price. people just don't seem to get that.

I don't want to see all you sissies whining on here next E3 when pricing in released. You want it? Pay!

ambientFLIER4153d ago

PS3 was ALMOST a beast. The ram killed it. If it had a full Gig, it would have been good.

Mounce4153d ago

I DISAGREE WITH THIS ARTTICLE...

MmmmYyessss....

Consoles need to have 12 Core processors and 32GB DDR4 RAM BEFORE I FEEL THEY ARE RELEVANT...MmYyyesss!

RAM, RAM RAM? RAAM....

Oh my~

It will also need TRIPLE CROSSFIRE GPU'S!.

Also, it 'HAS' to have a price tag of at MOST $400, or......it will not be relevant....Because I said so.

MmmMYyyyesss.

ALLWRONG4153d ago

4, 6 or 8 if were lucky. People tend to forget that 6 is a possibility.

ginsunuva4153d ago (Edited 4153d ago )

YES! Just about to say everyone skips from 4 to 8.
6 is possible. Just that 3gb ram cards are not too commonly produced.

GiTS4153d ago

@ginsunuva

Pretty sure 3GB Ram sticks don't exist... You can do different combo's and configurations to get it though like 2x1024's and 2x512's in dual channel. 6GB is the same, 2x2048's and 2x1024's dual channel or if you're on a triple channel system then 3x2048's.

akaakaaka4153d ago

Are you a next gen dev?
I don't think so, don't talk like you know anything You ...

Why I'm feeling like those who want a 4gb next gen console are pc fanboys? You guys want a low end console to bust your ego about how far behind consoles are but that will not happen specially next gen consoles will be very high end like last gen plus optimization will always nade it shine plus cloud gaming keep it up to date if anything ..

I also bet Nintendo fanboys hope for a low end console like the one they got lol

And I'm amazed on how cheap some people are in here, if you don't want to pay $600 or $800 for a launch console then just wait a year or two for it to get cheaper.

The history abd logic says ps4 will have min of 8gb ram but that was if it was launch this year but with the delay that could change to a higher end tech.

Exquisik4153d ago

I'm surprised no one ever brought this up...

Playstation (PSOne) - 2 MB Ram
Playstation 2 - 32 MB Ram
Playstation 3 - 512 MB Ram
Playstation 4 - 8,192 MB Ram (8 GB Ram)

Notice the difference in Ram between one iteration to its previous iteration?

DOMination-4153d ago

16 is unrealistic. My PC only has 6 and its played everything I've thrown at it so far without any issues. 8 is probably likely uf they want to futureproof but it might only be 4 if they go for cheap consoles

green4153d ago

This website is pretty ridiculous when it comes to next gen systems.

A few weeks ago, he posted that the next gen systems need to support 4K resolutions http://n4g.com/news/1126262...

Now he is talking about 16GIG ram? Can he pay $1000 for a console?

lfclee4153d ago

He's right your tripping not him, the future is now 4k is here a couple of years down the line 8k is on the horizon ready to go, so I think he's right, no malice intended.

neogeo4153d ago

I want 8k at 240fps on every game and I want full ray tracing.
and I want you to buy it all for me:)

MEsoJD4153d ago (Edited 4153d ago )

I have a gaming pc and don't have close to 16gbs of ram. I say 8gbs at the most.

lfclee4153d ago (Edited 4153d ago )

Ram is very cheap nowadays and when your buying in bulk your getting the product alot cheaper, I bet ati are rubbing the hands with huge contract offers being completed already regarding gpu's and hd's etc.

Bordel_19004153d ago (Edited 4153d ago )

If the PS4 ships with less than 8GB RAM I'm not buying it. PCs today are so much more powerful than consoles, I stopped using my PS3 more than a year ago. Xbox and PS3 are dinosaurs,6-7 years after their initial release.

If a PS4/X720 is to hold it's ground against PC for years ahead it needs to be really powerful when released.

I think the video game consoles are a dying breed, this next generation will probably be the last one as we know it.

avengers19784153d ago

There is no need for that much ram 8 gigs is plenty for a console, most high end PC's don't have 16 gigs and they run better frame rates and higher resolution... it be overkill...

shutUpAndTakeMyMoney4153d ago (Edited 4153d ago )

@SynGamer
"on a PC, 4GB of RAM is being shared between the OS/programs and the game, etc. On a console 4GB of RAM is going solely to the game (hopefully Sony and MS give the OS it's own memory to run off of)."

Sounds like consoles.. Youtube, myspace, nexflix app more than one app open etc..

plus most pc gamer close programs or "apps" in windows 8 before playing.

Windows 8 is a phone/tablet OS on a beast pc.

That would be like putting psVita OS on a beast pc.

Windows 8 uses 300mb ram on pc and boots maybe faster than a console now?

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

how much for wiiU os again? lol

But I wonder if the next consoles will be 30fps or 60fps.. Are devs willing to give up an extra 30fps or will they want to use all the resources?

But anyway console are consumer friendly low cost gaming devices. Why is everyone wanting pc experience? Get a pc or be glad with what you got. Console gamers are not even supposed to worry about ram, cpu, gpu that you will never even see or your warranty is void. lol

Looks sounds like a pc gamer forum in here.

tordavis4153d ago

Whoever wrote this doesn't know a damn thing about video game hardware requirements. 6gb is all that is needed. Some for the OS and the rest to run games. Stop spreading bullshit!

donman14153d ago

And we need 16GB of memory WHY???

solid_warlord4152d ago (Edited 4152d ago )

All of u who say 4gb of RAM is more than enough are not looking at the bigger picture. If the next Xbox or PS4 is to not only survive but to flurish for the next decade atleast, it needs 8gb or more.

For M$, the leak of there so called "road map" tells us that there next console will come with Kinect 2.0 which will see vast improvements with multiple player detections. The road map also suggested the next xbox will be doing alot of multi tasking as it will come as a PVR and u will be able to take in game screenshot and record gameplay video and put them directly onto the web. All that requires more ram.

If M$ goes with 4gb then attleast half of that will go to OS to deal with PVR, party chats, kinect 2.0 feature ect. In the end, u will end up with 2gb ram for devs to play with the next 5-8 years or more and that seem very small as the years go by. PC will just stamp on consoles.

The best option for $ony and M$ is to have atleast minimum of 8gb of RAM so devs can get 5-6gb of that to play with. 16gb would be alot to ask but 8gb of Ram is feasible and i would think its the minimum requirment thats needed.

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000014154d ago

i'm so tired of this topic, wait until they show the goddamn systems before saying what it does and doesn't need.

ThichQuangDuck4153d ago

I would love to be a gaming journalist right now being able to be successful of what ifs and this is what should happen.

Danlord4154d ago

Syngamer- I see ur point. In The end l hope to see 16GB inside the console :-)

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Microsoft Survey Asks About Handheld

A new survey from Microsoft has further hinted at the possibility of an Xbox handheld being in development.

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EasilyTheBest4d ago

This is definitely happening, I just hope they have 2 versions one with a much bigger screen.

GamerRN3d ago

I'll be happy with this, and a PC console hybrid that rivals anything we have power wise

Number1TailzFan3d ago

The problem with bigger devices is playing them on your side in bed, Vita and before that was fine. Since the Switch you gotta have a gooseneck holder & controllers detached so you can lie down holding them, or your arm will quickly get tired.

1Victor2d ago

@thesofware: “A much bigger screen than what?”
A gaming laptop 🤷🏿🤣

Kosic2d ago

Than the screen originally planned...duh... :D

darthv723d ago

it kinda already did... https://www.xbox.com/en-US/...

They are just gauging interest in one of their own.

crazyCoconuts2d ago

A Xbox version of Logitech G-Cloud?
I mean, why bother? Not like the G cloud is flying off shelves and what would Xbox add to make it better?
They're surely not going to create bespoke architecture here and there are already a few Windows handhelds out there. I have little confidence in their ability to put together an attractive UI in the way Steam did. So I doubt anything will come from this.

KicksnSnares4d ago

Day One buy for me if they'll make a dedicated handheld device.

darthv723d ago

i have that logitech g-cloud. Its a sweet little piece of kit. I like that it can also install games from the play store unlike the other android based handheld.

mudakoshaka3d ago

It sure is! Don't understand why you get the down-votes. Whoever does not like the G Cloud must have been dropped down a well, head first, when they were of a younger age.

PassNextquestion3d ago

I wonder if Microsoft will perform better in Japan if they do actually make a handheld since everyone says handheld and mobile are king over there.

TiredGamer3d ago

This looks like the future of the game industry... all three platforms with a handheld option.

I wonder if the Playstation Portal is a technology test-bed/prototype for a future Playstation handheld?

rlow13d ago (Edited 3d ago )

It’s a possibility but I can’t help but think would that be the best way to go about it? Though it would give you data on how much it is used and game type. It’s still not a true portable device and so people approach it differently. I think that data on phones, tablets, and of course the competition would give a better indication.

But I really think if Sony is considering a new PSP that could play ps5 games, now would be the time to dive in. Honestly, if they do this, it would be huge.

Traecy3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Doubt if Sony PS wants to support a new handheld with first party games. Something they lacked with the Vita. What they should do is have a handheld that is like the PS Portal which can play all games but play those games on the go as well as at home. Something like that is a better investment.

TiredGamer3d ago

Agreed that you will probably never see a separate line of games specifically for the handheld (a la PSP or PSVita). The modern economics and expectations of game development make that cost prohibitive. What makes more sense is if the full-fat game on PS5 or PS6 has a special "handheld" profile that is automatically optimized for the lower spec handheld. There would be some significant compromises compared to the bigger console variant, but it would be the same game overall and would only require a single purchase.... somewhat what the Switch does with a lower resolution when playing handheld versus docked.

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Xbox Games Showcase Followed by [REDACTED] Direct Airs June 9

- Xbox Wire - Mark your calendars! The Xbox Games Showcase followed by [REDACTED] Direct airs June 9. More info inside.

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bionicstar4d ago

Will they show Fable 4, Stalker 2, GoW 6 & Perfect Dark?

PhillyDonJawn4d ago

Crossing fingers for Fable and perfect dark. And State of Decay 3

RaidenBlack3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

And maybe Clockwork Revolution, South of Midnight, Contraband, Project 007 & OD? lol
and whatever happened to Everwild ?
+ that rumored Wu Tang RPG

Sonic18813d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Will they have official release dates and gameplay?

anast4d ago

Another game pass event with their plans to go all streaming.

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Lightning773d ago

It's an Xbox showcase that they have every year.

Make smarter comments for once.

anast3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Tell me what a smarter comment is.

If they don't sell game pass the entire time, then I will be wrong. All of this can be proven once the show gets underway. Let's wait and see.

InUrFoxHole3d ago

@Anast
Anything you didn't type. Good day sir!

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Lightning773d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Wow too easy.

You went from MS going all streaming to selling gamepass content in which we all know they are.

Which one is it?

Pretty clear you don't know what a smart comment is at least you admit you don't know.

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anast3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

"Another game pass event with their plans to go all streaming."

It's both. I would worry about your own intelligence at this point. It seems that there is not enough to go around for you to worry about how smart other people are.

Lightning773d ago

It's just a regular event announcing games. Nice one captain obvious they're gonna mention gp stuff like they do every year what else is new.

The all streaming part is just you, being you I guess. They have streaming options but going all streaming again is just you pulling stuff outta thin air.

anast3d ago

You don't know what a smart comment is or isn't. You're welcome for the help.

Lightning773d ago

No you said something dumb then you tried to back track and mention GP.

Again make smart comments for once.

anast3d ago

And we have broken record syndrome.

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darthv724d ago

Wonder if they will address the handheld rumors....?

jimb0j0nes4d ago

For a brief moment I thought we might get a whole Direct for Gears 6 - seems like it's COD though!

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv728d ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle8d ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic18818d ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio8d ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Lightning777d ago

What he said was facts. How he plays games is no concern of you. Don't get too mad about it.

Cacabunga8d ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

darthv727d ago

to you it may seem like the minority... but your bubble is shrinking because more and more are following suit. convenience is a hell of a drug and its also why physical sales only amount to 30% of overall game sales. times are changing, you either get with them or you get left behind.

neutralgamer19927d ago

Darth

30% physical sales: yet Phil and xbox division are in a rush go give up on that 30%. they don't have any right to give up any piece of the pie since the control such a little of the pie to begin with

also, the market is clearly speaking that the model Xbox is pushing isn't working right now the keyword being right now. you are right about freedom to play anywhere so i hope they put their games on steam

shinoff21838d ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga8d ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

itsmebryan8d ago

@shin
Well keep it simple Sony 's operating income is down 26% and Microsoft's is up 32%. No MS spin there, just facts. 😉
Cheers

S2Killinit7d ago

MS is after diminishing consoles as a medium. They want to destroy this market because they couldnt win. MS’s vision is to dissolve console gaming.

romulus237d ago

Odd that a company that touts you dont need the hardware to play is already touting another console in the works.

darthv727d ago

They are not reliant on the HW but still want to maintain a presence (no matter how small) is a good thing. It shows commitment to the craft. It reminds me of SNK and how they made games for their own hardware (Neo Geo) while also making them for others because they knew there was a market to do so. They knew they would sell more to others but also sell to their own niche fan base.

TheEroica7d ago (Edited 7d ago )

Perfectly reasonable post down voted by insecure corporation friendly folk.... But not gamers. Real gamer want accessibility and ease of acquisition for all.... Company shills are the only ones still telling us that hardware locking people from games is good for us.

Chevalier7d ago

@Darth

You should stop parroting metrics like an idiot without context.

"Xbox content and services revenue grew 62% in Q3 from a year earlier, “driven by 61 points of net impact” from the purchase of the third-party video game giant, Microsoft said."

61 of the 62% was from their merger so net increase is ONLY 1%

https://www.mesaonline.org/...

itsmebryan7d ago

@chevalier

It looks like made a great purchase. Much better then Sony buying Bungie. 😉
Cheers

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purple1018d ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos8d ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

DOMination-7d ago

In the last two years they've started exiting the consumer market altogether. All of the newest Surface products are business models only. They can't seem to work out what they want to do with it.

XBManiac8d ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad8d ago (Edited 8d ago )

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple1018d ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos8d ago (Edited 8d ago )

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic8d ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

MrDead7d ago

The only growth MS will get out of the console industry is if it supports it's rivals platforms. Xbox is a pointless machine now. I can see them on a big push for live next, and they won't give up on trying to buy Steam.

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