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Here’s a Devastating Account of the Crap Women in the Games Business Have to Deal With. In 2012.

Kotaku: Over the past 24 hours or so, a number of women working in the game industry (and some male colleagues) have taken to Twitter to share their stories via the hashtag #1reasonwhy.

They're not motivational tales. Instead, they're accounts of the rampant sexism and discrimination many have faced in the past, and are still facing today. The volume of the confessions, not to mention the important and prominent role of many involved, is sobering.

Jinkies4168d ago (Edited 4168d ago )

For the ones actually speaking about posistions in the industry and how most "guys" are picked instead of them all I have to say is...are you surprized, I mean really.

No offense but the gaming industry is a boys club, like online games or gaming in general, when gaming was first established the target audience were males, proof of this is the old stereotype that went around about males being geeks/nerds and playing on their "computer games"...you know when girls wouldn't dare look twice at you over it. I'm not saying there wasn't any female gamers present but I think females in the industry have to realise the drawbacks about getting into this work field.

I mean if you were a guy and you got into fashion design, making shoes, clothes, pants etc then you would get it where females would be picked more for jobs, females picking their female friends for interviews etc, you couldn't really complain because that type of industry is more of a female work place, like above I'm not saying there isn't any males who do this, Gok Wan for example or Alexander Mcqueen but it's just viewed as that genders work place.

Some of these things like women being groped and touched is uncalled for and should be reported but for the ones moaning about unfairness in the industry and how games are more targeted at men...sorry but what do you expect. It's like when females go online, say their a girl at the start of a match, make a big deal out of it, get torn to shreds by being called names because of it then complaining about it after....honestly, what do you guys expect.

In my opinion Amy Hennig from NaughtyDog is a perfect example of a strong female developer in this industry. She basicaly was the driving force behind Uncharted one of the best new IPs this gen.

http://articles.latimes.com...

Hennig is often asked about sexism and challenges she has faced. But she says it's not an issue."

"Usually it has been men who gave me the opportunities I have had. I think this is a young enough and progressive enough industry that there just isn't any of that."

Tameel14168d ago

1. Seriously? You're defending the discrimination and harassment of women who work in the games industry because "it's a boy's club"? Yes there are going to be drawbacks for women in gaming because it is a male-dominated field, but that doesn't mean they should just shut up and expect to be treated like crap because of it. Good on them for standing up to it. If the games industry is as bad as these women say, then how could speaking up about it be a bad thing?

2. The fashion example is a bad one because most big-name fashion designers are male. Hugo Boss, Giorgio Armani, Louis Vuitton, Peter Alexander, Calvin Klein, Mario Prada, Émile-Maurice Hermès, Alexander Wang, Karl Lagerfeld, Christian Dior, Alexander McQueen, Salvatore Ferragamo, Gianni Versace, Emilio Pucci, Hubert de Givenchy and Marc Jacobs would disagree with you.

3. I don't see what the 'girls online' example has to do with anything. Just because there are girls who show off online, doesn't mean that professional female developers deserve to be treated any differently just because they're female. It just goes to show that so many gamers use the actions of one woman (or a small group of women) to represent the entire female gender. Which is exactly what this Twitter thing is about. Getting rid of the stereotypes and treating women like human beings.

Jinkies4168d ago

I wasn't defending it...don't twist my words around please so you can look all "noble"

"Some of these things like women being groped and touched is uncalled for and should be reported"

Swiftfox4168d ago

I feel I must argue a point. While I would definitely consider the video game industry of today a “boys club”, the gaming industry didn't begin by exclusively targeting males over females. The beginning was very unisex. Pong, one of the first games to spark the industry, was played by women and men. As were many of the old arcade games such as Pacman. The reason for it's transition into a “boys club” is the same reason girls drop from sports around the teen age. Society expects girls to become women. They read magazines that say they will never be pretty unless they do such and such. They see movies where they see women simply be sexy, depend on men, and live happily ever after. They see and hear advertisements that constantly prey on their insecurity.

While there is a demand by society for men to measure their worth by their success those that did not pursue success found video games as a way to pass the time. Which is were you got the first gamer stereotype of a fat lazy male in someones basement. It was a contrast and the opposite of what society thought men should be. Men played the games in their youth. They were inspired. They got into the industry. By this time gaming had grown into the 80's and 90's and we had the aspects that attracted men finding their way into games such as ultra violence, and sexy women. It has gotten better over time but the industry still heavily favors a male audience. The past few E3s are example enough. Hell it seems the gaming industry is doing everything it can to alienate women.

If women want to get into the industry, are capable of getting into the industry, then they should be able to without fear or the stereotype of “Games are for guys by guys. Women don't belong here.”

Gender should never be a factor when entering any area of work. Period.

League_of_Draven4168d ago

I stopped reading at "Kotaku". I can already tell it's another one of their crybaby articles like they made during the SFxTK pre-release tournament.

Pozzle4168d ago (Edited 4168d ago )

Tbh, I find it hilarious that Kotaku of all websites are telling gamers to take women seriously in the industry...when they themselves have posted an article about Jade Raymond smelling "pretty", articles about Japanese porn stars that might mention video games once or twice, and constant panty shots of female cosplayers.

T3MPL3TON 4168d ago

Waaaaaaaa we want equal parts in an industry we never gave two craps about.

Look, I'm all for chicks getting into games. However, I don't give two sh*ts who you are.. You didn't get the job because someone more qualified got it before you. This isn't the 40's and women need to stop acting like it is. Nobody cares if you have t*ts or a d*ck.. you want a position in the gaming industry. Earn it. Simple as that.

Jade Raymond wasn't sitting there complaining. She was putting her work in and she earned her spot just like all the other thousands of women who work in the industry. Just like all the thousands of men who work in the industry.

Tameel14168d ago (Edited 4168d ago )

Except we sadly don't live in a world where things like gender or race or religion don't matter to people. Yes it isn't the 1940s any more and thankfully our society has come very far since then. But that doesn't mean people aren't discriminated against nowadays. Especially if those people are a minority in their field of work.
I don't mean to sound like an ass but how can you read an article liek this that has FIRST HAND EXPERIENCES of women in the industry being ignored, mocked, sexually assaulted, and not hired because of their gender and simply call them a bunch of whiners?

That sort of attitude is exactly what's being talked about here. That people keep ignoring the problem and/or telling women to shut up and deal with it, instead of fixing the problem of the sexists and the assaulters and making the game industry a more pleasant place for everyone involved.

Why tell the people being discriminated against to shut up about the discrimination? Why not tell the sexists and disciminators to shut up and treat everyone as they themselves want to be treated?

jeeves864167d ago

Oops, looks like someone didn't read the article and automatically assumed that these women were just complaining because they couldn't get a job in the industry.

Go back and give it a read, it's alright. Too bad it's too late to change the asinine comment you made about it.

TheSaint4167d ago

I've been sexually harassed by women before, the difference is a man enjoys it.

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv721d 3h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle14h ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic188111h ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio11h ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Lightning776h ago

What he said was facts. How he plays games is no concern of you. Don't get too mad about it.

Cacabunga13h ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

darthv720m ago

to you it may seem like the minority... but your bubble is shrinking because more and more are following suit. convenience is a hell of a drug and its also why physical sales only amount to 30% of overall game sales. times are changing, you either get with them or you get left behind.

shinoff218313h ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga11h ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

itsmebryan7h ago

@shin
Well keep it simple Sony 's operating income is down 26% and Microsoft's is up 32%. No MS spin there, just facts. 😉
Cheers

S2Killinit33m ago

MS is after diminishing consoles as a medium. They want to destroy this market because they couldnt win. MS’s vision is to dissolve console gaming.

romulus236h ago

Odd that a company that touts you dont need the hardware to play is already touting another console in the works.

darthv726h ago

They are not reliant on the HW but still want to maintain a presence (no matter how small) is a good thing. It shows commitment to the craft. It reminds me of SNK and how they made games for their own hardware (Neo Geo) while also making them for others because they knew there was a market to do so. They knew they would sell more to others but also sell to their own niche fan base.

TheEroica17m ago(Edited 16m ago)

Perfectly reasonable post down voted by insecure corporation friendly folk.... But not gamers. Real gamer want accessibility and ease of acquisition for all.... Company shills are the only ones still telling us that hardware locking people from games is good for us.

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purple10116h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos16h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

DOMination-5h ago

In the last two years they've started exiting the consumer market altogether. All of the newest Surface products are business models only. They can't seem to work out what they want to do with it.

XBManiac15h ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad15h ago(Edited 15h ago)

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple10114h ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos14h ago(Edited 14h ago)

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic13h ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

MrDead6h ago

The only growth MS will get out of the console industry is if it supports it's rivals platforms. Xbox is a pointless machine now. I can see them on a big push for live next, and they won't give up on trying to buy Steam.

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Why Monopolies In Gaming Must Not Be Allowed

As of right now, there are no monopolies in the games industry, and for the sake of the medium as a whole, they never should either.

thorstein1d 1h ago

Shouldn't be allowed in any field.

Inverno22h ago

And yet the biggest tech companies in America are essentially that. They buy up all the small comps only to kill them off and steal what they have, and if they can't buy em they bleed them to death.

jwillj2k420h ago

Eventually they’ll realize the value is with the employee not the company. Buying an IP means nothing if the people who contributed are let go. They’ll get it one day.

MrCrimson20h ago

tech is different because they buy threats and then kill them. Twitter bought Vine and did nothing with it. Despite people seemingly liking it. Could've had tiktok a decade before bytedance. go figure.

Zenzuu21h ago

Monopolies shouldn't be allowed regardless. Not just for gaming.

MrCrimson20h ago

They buy IPs not talent. That's why these buyouts never work and the IPs die. Right now it's too expensive to develop games - but I expect that to shift maybe as AI tools can make it easier. The best games have been indie games for awhile as big developers fuck their ips to death with "games as a service" -

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The INDIE Live Expo 2024 event is to feature over 100 game titles

INDIE Live Expo, Japan’s premiere online digital showcase series , will debut never-before-seen games & content updates across more than 100 titles on May 25th.