Edge - Ninja Gaiden II Wastes Both DMC4 And God Of War

XBK writes: Yesterday, we reported that Ninja Gaiden II scored the highest review score in this months Edge magazine. Now that we've got our hands on the highly respected publication, the review not only claims that the fighting engine in Itagaki-san's game is without equal in the genre, but Edge states that basically, Ninja Gaiden II's gameplay mechanics, completely obliterates both DMC4 and the God Of War series.

[Bad_Karma]

Such crap

[green]

Such truth.Ninja Gaiden 2 passes every game by a mile in the combat mechanics.God of War has better story, presentation and good combat mechanics which makes it a better game overall but in combat NG2 is king.

[Glad to be a gamer]

Nothing to add except i love both games for their strong points.

Im hoping that if itagaki does get his own studio we may get to see a game with the fighting mechanics of ng and a great story like GOW.

I can only wish/hope/pray.......

[pharmd]

i love the whole NG series, but to complete its mechanics to GOW, a last gen title? cmon... DMC? Sure, but leave it at that

[titntin]

For once I have to agree with Green.

Anyone who's played all these games would agree that the fighting combat mechanics in NG2 are absolutely the best of breed, its difficult to see how anyone could dispute that claim if they had played the game.

This is one of the things that makes it so annoying that they didn't try so hard in other areas - as this could have been a 'definitive game', instead of a 'definitive mechanic'. Better graphics, a proper story, less pointless puzzles and a sorted camera, would have seen this become another nearly perfect title, instead of a flawed gem.

This actual article is weak, as I expected, but if you read the scans of the review, you'll see the usual great Edge analysis, and its not blind to the glaring issues with the game as a whole.
I might not always agree with their evaluations, but they are always well reasoned and written, and they are not swayed by the currents of fashion..

[green]

GOW is simply amazing and my number one pick if Hollywood wanted to make a game into a movie but the truth is that while it passes NG2 in every single aspect (i am sure 3 will eclipse NG2 graphically), but the combat in NG2 is still king.

My problem with NG2 is the production value and the lame story, which is shockingly bad for a 1st party game.It's metacritic score for me is right on the money between an 8.0 and 8.5.

it seems that Itagaki just wanted to rush the game out of the door as quickly as possible in order to rid himself from Tecmo.

[ChampIDC]

Well, NG for the Xbox was the same way in story. It seems the game is made for the people that just want to kill stuff in beautifully smooth combat. Heck, that alone keeps me coming back. I can live without a good story in NG's case. I would have liked to see a compelling story, though. There's a lot of room for it in both games. With such a vast, relatively unknown world, all kinds of things could unravel.

[mistertwoturbo]

Makes you wonder, they gave MGS4 an 8/10. Edge = Crap

[ZeroBlitz]

They're comparing it to a PS2 game that gets better with every game - with a PS3 version in the making - and DMC4, which most people agree isn't as good as it predecessor.

I'm going to get NG2 eventually and I'm sure I'll enjoy it. It's simply annoying that EDGE, who often downgrade games over the pickiest details, seem to have given it an 8/10 while stating that it's bad aspects shouldn't be paid much attention.

[shotputking]

yeah, ninja gaiden for regular xbox completely crushed both god of war and dmc in the fighting mechanics area, ng just can't be touched there.

and to those saying, "comparing it to a last gen game"... how much do you think the core fighting mechanics will change for god of war 3? not much, or the fans would be in an uproar.

[mistertwoturbo]

I did enjoy NG2's fighting mechanics though. It was pretty satisfying chopping off limb by limb with the Scythe.

However, they really need to just make the story have more substance.

[TresTrendu]

Dang, Edge gave MGS4 a 8!!! Seem's a little high doesn't it? Well the problem is that NG2 is for hardcore gamer's, it revolve's back in the old day's when it was gameplay not story and i prefer that a little more than story. NG2 is for people that like to play game's not watch them, so ya if you have no skill's you would want to watch most of the game. But if you have some gaming skill's and feel l33t then NG2 is for you.

[RecSpec]

Honestly, I'm not a huge fan of the NG series, but it definitely does have the best combat out there.

[zypher]

while i agree that Ninja Gaiden's fighting system is the best in 3d action, in my opinion the game offers nothing else to compete with either DMC or God of War. in essence NG feels like a free-roaming fighter. the story in NG is so uninteresting that it may as well be non-existant, and the characterization is abysmal. given all this, why not just play a true fighter which obviously offers a much better fighting system?

[Bubble Buddy]

Funny. MGS4 = 8/10. They praise Ninja Gaiden. Don't piss of Kratos, he'll put two of his blades up your a**.

[CrazzyMan]

gow>dmc>ng
lets analyze that for a sec.

1. PS exclusive

2. Multiplatform

3. 360 exclusive...

hmm, bias?

Now it`s clear, why MGS4 got 8 from them, lol. =)

Yeah, NG2 is masterpiece in terms of fighting mechanics, BUT:
camera
weak graphics
sub-hd
frame rate problems
weak story

these cons overall make NG2 to be just a good game, nothing more.

[Time_Is_On_My_Side]

I know what you mean what's really strange they're bashing a PlayStation 2 game. To me the logic of the decision doesn't make any sense. I can easily say Forza Motor Sport 2 surpasses Gran Turismo 4 (before five) or say Fear Effect series (PlayStation 1) is nothing compared to Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty (PlayStation 2). It's easier to bash a last generation game with a current generation game. Their comment doesn't hold because we all know God of War III is being made for the PlayStation 3.

[gaffyh]

I have played Ninja Gaiden 2 and all the games in the DMC series and all the games in the GOW series and can safely say that ANY DMC/GOW game is better than a Ninja Gaiden game. Not to say that NG is bad, but it's just not as good.

I can't believe how biased Edge is to actually write this. Ninja Gaiden basically copied concepts from DMC and Onimusha, and then adds a very very bad story to the mix.

Oh yeah, and NO way is NG's gameplay mechanics better than God of War.

[scoobysnacks]

in respect to its fine balance of game play mechanics, and split second timing that’s required to unlock the best this series has always had to offer, but lets remember the website that this has come from, and its crystal clear its a title used to generate website hits.

It could of just been called

“Edge gives NG2 an 8/10”

or if it was to quote a line from the review, for positive effect,

“It is fast, it is vicious, it looks fantastic, and its very rewarding to master”.

But NO, the quote they have to use at “Xbox Kings”, a comment that is three paragraphs into the article, that compares a critically acclaimed Playstation exclusive of the last generation, as “an over bloated spectacle”. Why did they pick that comment out of numerous comments within the article, because they new it would generate website hits, and get all the fanboys fired up. They hit upon this line like a fox picking up the scent within the chicken pen.

If it was a Playstation biased site wanting to generate hits, they would’ve chosen the comment halfway into the review of “a lack of imagination - and an abundance of PS2 style textures”, but that was just describing one level.

For those fanboys on both sides, perhaps this paragraph from the Edge review should also be taken into consideration.

“The best fighting game ever, then? No, because the brilliantly realised combat is let down by poor implementation of basic features. The camera lamented in our last look at the game isn’t improved: it often loses sight of Ryu, gets stuck behind walls, obscures enemies and very occasionally goes into a frenzy of flicking back and forth. There are blind spots in the game, particularly on slopes and around poles, where the combat system seems to be unable to function tightly. There are pointless ‘puzzles’ involving door cards and stone tablets. There’s one boss moment involving an explosion that is unfathomable bad design. And, really, lets not get started on the narrative.”

But then that would sound negative, which would be the last thing Xbox Kings would want. So its a game that is flawed, and hence why Edge gave it an eight. In comparison to last months issue where MGS4 also gets an 8/10, well perhaps it should of got a 9, or this game, NG2, should of received a 7/10, as these two games don’t compare quality wise, so how can they share the same score? Perhaps because their two very different games, and shouldn’t be compared.

At the end of the day, its just a score. The text in the review is just as important as the end score, pointing out the pros and cons of the game. If the score was the only important part, perhaps they shouldn’t write anything and just have a picture of the game, the game title and in big 200 point type a number. But then, if that was the case sites like “xbox kings” wouldn’t have anything sensationalist to use to help gain site hits.

[shine1396]

@scoobysnacks: comment of the forever!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ri0tSquad]

When it's obviously lacking in some areas that those two games beat it in and make it the better game overall. I still think it comes down to personal preference. All 3 of these games play very, very different. And all fanboyism aside but you guys know some people will choose NG2 over DMC4 and GoW or DMC4 over NG2 and GoW or GoW over DMC4 and NG2. I was really hoping Ninja Gaiden 2 would do to 360 what Ninja Gaiden 1 did for Xbox 1.

[N4g_null]

Very true people like different things. Reminds me how some people like either virtual fighter, tekken or street fighter and the list goes on. I hated the other NGs due to the camera. If I can't see it then it's based on luck. 3d broken this game a little but it's nothing that can't be fixed.

[jkhan]

Did they mention the cheap enemies, and the worst camera in the history of Action/Adventure/Hack-n-Slash Genre?, and forgettable story?

They say "NG2 makes God Of War an over-bloated spectacle". Well just to mention a few, it had the best graphics on the ps2, user friendly combat, that can be as deep as you want or as button masher as you want. One of the best soundtracks in gaming and an epic story. Yeap God of War is an over bloated spectacle.

[tordavis]

Heavenly Sword takes the title for best soundtrack.

[Closing]

Dude, DMC camera is wayyyy worse. At least you can control the NG camera, and after awhile not notice it.

[ChampIDC]

I can't say I agree with the whole article, but they're definitley right about the combat at least. The camera leaves much to be desired, and I think it would probably do wonders if it simply kept a more zoomed out, higher perspective view. The offscreen cheapshots are the only real issue with the camera, but man do they happen a lot. A wider view could easily fix that if you ask me.

[Silogon]

Man this couldn't be further from the truth. Wanna hear an unbiased opinion on 4 games that are very similar?

Ninja Gaiden 2 - A rehash, all though pretty good, of a 5 year old game. It does nothing new and offers up very little in graphic detail over the original. The gameplay isn't as accessible as others in the same genre.

Devil May cry 4 - The worst of the bunch I'm about to talk about. It is without a doubt the most shallow and also the least fun. It doesn't offer up nothing the previous ones couldn't do or haven't done.

God of War 2 - A challenging game with a lot of heart. It's the 2nd most accessible and easily the most fun to play thru. The story is killer here. The gameplay is 90% spot on 90% of the time and the amount of things at your disposal is very comparable to ninja Gaiden, only in a much easier package to wrap your head around.

Conan - Laugh all you want. Conan is easily the most accessible to get into. It's fun, it's easy to learn and it's a no B.S. game. You get it to beat it in one sitting and see what it has to offer. It's not going to satisfy you as much as those other 3 big budget games would but for what it is and what it does Conan is the best secondary game to have if you only were going to get 2 on this list. The moves are all very intuitive and the controls never fail you. You never see yourself saying that was B.S. when playing the game. The graphics are putrid and the animations, save the gore and killing sprees, are minimal but after besting one of the above, Conan is easily the next best choice.

Those are my honest takes on the series.

[Scarfy]

Ninja Gaiden 2 - Haven't played it, but have heard very mixed reports. Mostly that's a flawed masterpiece.

Devil May cry 4 - Agree. I thought after playing it that I had played the worst game I was going to this year. Then I played Half Life 2...

God of War 2 - Agree. It's just fine to play.

Conan - Haven't played it, but I wasn't impressed by the demo.

[titntin]

Welcome to a very small group! The Conan appreciaters group!

Its not utterly brilliant, or technically amazing, but its thouroughly enjoyable with a rewarding mechanic and its seriuosly fun!
Not at all fashionable to like that title though... :)

[Bolts]

Agreed. I actually enjoyed Conan. Yes the voice acting sucks and I can't even remenber what storyline was about but it's a game where you hack people to death. Nothing was great or awesome but overall the game was decent.

[thereapersson]

That's a well-thought out and honest analysis, methinks...

[dachiefsman]

Nice comment Silogon!

Agree on all your comments especially on Conan. Although the game is a rent, it should be a must rent. Of the next gen games, I had a blast playing that game <probably cause the combat and gore was awesome>.

My list for combat:
1. NGII
2. God of War I/II
3. Conan
4. DMC1

[clintos59]

As for god of war, that is kind of a crappy comparison since god of war 3 aint out yet. How bout wait until it comes out. :P

Besides that this is the same game site that gave MGS4 an 8. So much for there credability.

[Lord Cheese]

thats nonsense. Just because someone doesnt treat mgs4 as the pinnacle of gaming prowess does no harm to their credibility accept in the eyes of delierious fanboys.

[tordavis]

"Besides that this is the same game site that gave MGS4 an 8. So much for there credability. "

I don't like their score of MGS4 so they must lack credibility!!! WHAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

[Testo]

I agree, to me personally their score of MGS4 was low, IMO.

But I also think that their score of NG2 was high, again IMO.

But then I think what type of game I prefer, (Hack and slash or Stealth action)

I take from this, that from now on, if Edge gives any game I might like a 7 rating. That I will take their review with a douse of salt.

Same goes for a genre that I don't like.

[clintos59]

Wake up to reality man. Just because u guys dont enjoy a damn masterpiece isnt our problem u guys dont like great story telling games and rather play shoot em up games like halo and gears which are great games when it comes to gameplay but both lack in the story department. I mean why even have a single player in a game if it doesnt even make sense or has a mediocre story? U mightest well just forget the single player and stick to online.

Also I wanted to point out these reviewers who gave MGS4 a low score say the cut scenes are too long but fail to tell the consumers who listen to reviews that there is more the 15-20+ gameplay in the campaign alone. I bring this up because it didnt seem to bother any reviewers when gears of war came out and the campaign was only 5 to 6 hours long. WTF kind of crap is that but yet alot of these game sites looked passed it and didnt say anything about it being short. I am not looking down on these titles but im using them as examples of why I take the reviews from edge and eurogamer and a few others who gave it a low score and didnt have a strong enough arguement to prove why they did so. Remember the 90 minute cut scenes eurogamer and edge were saying were in MGS4? Well guess what they were full of it and made that up which gamepro debunked that story and shut edge and eurogamer up. All I am saying is atleast be fair when u review a game, dont be such a damn fanboy.

Eurogamer and Edge gave halo 3 a higher score then MGS4 and halo 3 was overrated and didnt even live up to its hype. MGS4 had just as much hype and not only lived up to its hype it smashed its hype. Nuff said.

[wolfehound22]

Like the previous posters have stated its all personal preference. I prefer GOW over any hack in slash game out there, and it really isn't close IMO. Devil may Cry is fun also. I have not played the NG2 yet but NGSigma was also pretty fun besides the camera. All and all there all great games that have some faults but for the most part do a lot right.

[bootsielon]

If their scores weren't always different, and by different I don't mean lower, since Halo 3 got way above the curve, and same with Ninja Gaiden. How come both games published by Microsoft Studios are exempt of Edge's "Hammer"? Yeah, Edge is pretty much garbage. There is no way Ninja Gaiden and Metal Gear Solid should get the same score, that Halo gets a perfect score and yet resistance gets a 6; 4 points difference between two very similar FPS? 10 points to the most conventional FPS and 8 points to a game that is widely regarded in the top 5 best games ever? Even Bioshock and Mass Effect got an 8, worse than halo and on par with ninja gaiden, what a load of crock. Edge is not "tough" as everybody likes to think, edge is either wrong, stupid, ignorant, moneyhats or biased, take your pick. Just like Gamedaily, Eurogamer and GamesTM. Throw in there Gamespot too, but that one was obvious anyway.

[Bubble and Squeek]

"and 8 points to a game that is widely regarded in the top 5 best games ever?"

MGS4?

You have to be kidding me. This isn't a quality issue. More of temporal one. It has hardly been out a month. I'm not convinced it can be widely considered one of the best games at this juncture.

Just wait a little while longer then we can see.

:EDIT:
@Silogon.

Do you have a source for the claim about those TVs?

[tordavis]

Comparing scores of games of two completely different genres makes no sense. It's the reviewers preference and opinion. Why toil over the reasons they gave games such scores? The one with the higher score was liked better.

[Says you]

I mean Ninja Gaiden II failed with the reviews I mean I think Devil MayCry 4 got better scores not like I'm going with the scores but considering some people like to go with scores and to see if they should buy the game when it comes to scores.

[Veryangryxbot]

They are proven xbots and will say anything to boost 360s sales.

God of war totally OWNS NG franchise.

Even DMC pisses all over it.

Ninja Gaiden is an inferior hack and slash action game compared to these two.

[PSMonster21]

NG2 sucked... nuff said.

[Wakka_]

Edge are nothing but Al Bheds. There are more reviews that said God of War and DMC is better ya?

[Mr Fancy Pants]

if you think God of War owns NG games then you know sh1t about action games or you simply loves button mashing.

why people prefer DMC4 or GOD over NG? because they are easier, if you were a real gamer you would know that already, but fanboyims blinds you.

[ape007]

I've finished ng2

good fighting system and thats it

no story,no characters,crappy levels,houmor and simple 101 design

god of war(even the psp game)

kicks the HELL out of ng2

ng1 and sigma are much better than 2 BTW

JUST IMAGIN IF SONY SHOWS GOD OF WAR 3 THIS E3 AND IT'S JUST THE SAME OLD ENGINE,SAME FEELING,USING THE SAME CAMERA,HAS THE SAME EXACT GAMEPLAY AND STRUCTURE.

WHAT WILL YOU SAY XBOX GAMERS.

[Mike134nl]

Played ninja gaiden sigma on ps 3 and ninja gaiden 2 and gow all great games.

I don't have a great imagination but blasting ninja gaiden 2, because it is comparable to ninja gaiden 1 (mentioned by several sites as best action game ever) is just lame.

[from the beach]

No humour? Some of the cut scenes in NG2 were downright hilarious! They're dead right about how the game makes you want to keep continuing - if that represents bad design then I dunno.

[juuken]

I've been watching some videos of NG2 and the combat is pretty top-notch. But most of the enemies love playing cheapshot, especially with the camera.

I'm getting NG2, but there is NO WAY in hell it beats Devil May Cry and God of War.

Wait a minute...THEY HAVE THE BALLS TO MENTION GOD OF WAR?!

God of War has a kick ass storyline, and it's based on mythological settings.

They cannot be freakin' serious.

And Devil May Cry is awesome as well. I just wasn't too fond of 4 but I still like it.

[LaChance]

has the best fighting system.It relies heavily on the gameplay.

DMC 4 and GOW are more flashy and rely more on presentation , story etc.

At the end of the day I dont know which one's better.

But NG would really be CRAZY if the could get the story and overall presentation to DMC and GOW levels.

Really hope Itagaki gets his own studio and MSFT give him some heavy cash.

@juuken : btw NG black was as good as GOW 1 and 2

@thereaperson below : why did you leave out NG black ?

[juuken]

For once you make a small bit of sense LaChance. I do agree with NG's combat system. The combos you can pull off with Ryu are awesome.

[Dannagar]

@juuken

Let me know what you think after you play it.

[thereapersson]

Wake me up with this pointless nonsense when Ninja Gaiden II manages to get an AAA score, as the God Of War games have managed to achieve...

GoW - (94) http://www.metacritic.com/g...

GoW II - (93) http://www.metacritic.com/g...

NG 1 - (91)

http://www.metacritic.com/g...

NG: II - (82) http://www.metacritic.com/g...

It looks like Edge, in all its pretentious little journalistic ways, is alone in their opinion. I can see it maybe beating Devil May Cry in terms of raw combat, but God of War? I have played all 4 games (GoW 1, 2; NG: I, II) and I can say that while Ninja Gaiden may be hard beyond all measure (at least on the higher difficulties), God Of War just trumps NG in the overall package, INCLUDING combat. I never felt myself feel more into a battle than when I played the first God Of War, as opposed to the first time I played Ninja Gaiden.

Ninja Gaiden is still an amazing series though, and I think that it should have recieved a higher metacritic score from reviewers. I just don't think it tops God of War, is all.

Edit: Okay LaChance, here you go:

NG: Black - (94) http://www.metacritic.com/g...

After an expansion, it just then manages to match up with God Of War, only to regress back down into the low 80's with Ninja Gaiden II, after all the trash talking and garbage that Itagaki spewed forth against other developers and games.

Edit 2: lol @ disagrees. I guess Metacritic is lying then, eh?

[himdeel]

...you hit it squarely on the head.

[1stKnighT]

Well of course this is going to trouble a few sony fans but it's the truth. The Ninja Gaiden series was always about GAMEPLAY. God of War can be beaten with the same weapon using the same moves. DMC is also pretty easy. NG is for the skilled. Everybody knows this.

I agree with LaChance... the other games had a better presentation but lacked gameplay. NG2 is all about gameplay and that's why it's the better action game.

[thereapersson]

Or even let alone PLAYED them. You know that's not true in the least.

[juuken]

If it had a solid storyline to go with the gameplay, it would be even better. But it does not beat God of War or Devil May Cry. Those two have very solid storylines.

[thereapersson]

Those games have some of the most well-integrated story-telling of any game in quite some time. DMC is pretty good too, but I think that neither series matches up to the epic scale and aural "punch" that the God of War games have been able to offer.

[1stKnighT]

But we're talking about the fighting engine here. The article talks about the gameplay. Not the story. And NG is second to none.

[juuken]

Fighting engine, yes but a fighting engine isn't the only thing that makes a game great. Story, and good camera goes along with it. NG2 should have improved with the storyline and camera. Stop making it sound as if it's perfect. It does have some faults.

[1stKnighT]

THIS article is about the FIGHTING ENGINE. THIS article is talking about how the FIGHTING ENGINE of NG is much better than both DMC and GOW. If their is an article about the story than by all means you can yap till your heart is content. Until than stick with the topic please!

[juuken]

And one more time, IMO games like NG2 should also have a good storyline to go along with it. I read the article, I saw what it said. 1stKNIGHT, I think you *missed* the fact that I wasn't trying to pass my comment as truth but opinion.

[butterfinger]

It's so funny that Ninja Gaiden 2 and other "next-gen" games are compared to "last-gen" God of War. Just more proof that GOW3 will own everything.

[thereapersson]

But I do get what you are saying. Just had to add a little balance to that.

[MisfitSmurf]

NG is for skilled ? the game is not all that hard i've beaten NG, BG black and sigma on the hardest setting without dying in just a couple of plays through the game :/

[snp]

Perhaps you could follow your own advice. The article mentions the game having a 'better combat system', not carte blanche 'better gameplay' as you've expanded it to (and as the link site took it upon itself to paraphrase the review to read). The 'combat system' is one element of 'gameplay'. Camera system is another pretty obvious one, as is story in terms of immersion etc - it all flows into the feel and effect of the experience.

If you just want to talk about 'combat mechanics' stick to calling combat mechanics, 'combat mechanics'. No good expanding it out to 'gameplay' overall and then getting shirty when people call you on that.

Incidentally, it's amusing that the story says the game received 'highest score of the month'. Guess just saying 8 out of 10, and not using selective quoting doesn't provide as good a dig as giving over the review cherry picked.

[juuken]

Not sure why someone disagreed with you Misfit. Some people have that gift of beating Ninja Gaiden without breaking a sweat.

Kudos to you.

[ThaGeNeCySt]

wouldn't that make misfit a skilled player? Or his he downing own skills when it comes to hack n slash games

[Testo]

In YOUR opinion. =) 1stKnight

[7h3ultim8p00]

OK Misfit, you are lying come on dude. I mean, to all the Ninja Gaiden Black players here on N4G. Do you REALLY think this guy beat Ninja Gaiden Black on Master Ninja WITHOUT DYING? Not just a chapter. THE ENTIRE GAME. ON MASTER NINJA. IN A COUPLE OF PLAY THROUGHS. LOL much?

I know some people have done it, but not this guy.

[KingArth]

hahahaha can't wait for a reply from a furious david jaffe lol

[Le-mo]

Is anybody not paying attention to the hotties in the picture??!!!

[devilhunterx]

NG 2 can easily be finished by just SPAMMING THE FLYING SWALLOW move. Even the bosses can be defeated that way.

[juuken]

Um...enemies can get out of the way when you do that move. But then again it's easier to use that now without worrying about backlash.

edit: Legend, yes you can use it to thin out the crowds, and I agree-you can't spam that move. I learned my lesson with Sigma.

[Legend]

Its pretty clear you have not played this game. This technique hasn't worked since they released Black and fixed the exploit. You try spamming the flying swallow against the enemies on this game and you are in for some serious pain. Most of them (and all the bosses) have unblockable counters that will end your turn should you throw this move at them repeatedly. For example, Genshin's own flying swallow is much faster than Ryu's and is almost automatic should you even jump while fighing him. The flying swallow is for crowd control and thinning ranks, not beating the game. That move would be the OLC. :-)

[7h3ultim8p00]

Yeah, dude that like is old. That worked on the original Ninja Gaiden XBOX. That's were that line came from. Ever since Ninja Gaiden Black, the FS isn't very effective anymore. In fact, above the normal mode in the series, spamming it is a good way to get killed.

[McErono]

they must have another version than me!? NGII is nowhere near any god of war title in my opinion but I agree on DMC...

[Pete_Approved]

God of War has a better storyline and gameplay I guess. And actually I prefer DMC4 over NG2, sorry :P The game is oke.. but after a while it gets bored, the same moves and same enemies over and over again.

[thereapersson]

And the puzzles in the God of War games are simply devious.

[sonic1989]

i liked NG over DMC.

[Cherchez La Ghost]

I just beat NG2 last night. Despite the camera pissing me off more than several occasions, it was more of a challenging game between God of War & Devil May Cry. The Karma build-up get's you going to pull off some of the sickest combo's in a game I've ever scene. The enemies on this game will **** you up!! Ninja Gaiden 2 has more combo moves than Devil and God of War combined. So all of you gamers out that wants a challenge, get Ninja Gaiden 2. Don't be a little beoitch to cry about the "CAMERA ANGLEs". If I and others out there completed this game, why can't you?!!

[Legend]

I'm sorry for anyone who is too wrapped in only playing games that are cosidered "AAA" (given the current climate of game journalism in regards to their comprimised integrity, this is a ridiculous notion). I am a fan of both the DMC and GOW series but when it comes to action gaming NG is the best in breed. Its combat is flawless. I play action games for the combat and each of the games seven primary weapons are so deep you can drown days into learning the subtlest nuances. The camera works if you take the time to learn how to use it. It is entirely in the player's control and another facet of the gameplay. And call me old school but I don't care about story in a hack and slash. To me that's like caring about the story in Guitar Hero or SuperStardust. If I want story, I'll run through MGS again. If I want to be forced to get better at a game and actually be rewarded with the feeling of serious accomplishment all while engaging in the most engaging combat out there, I'll play NGII on its unlockable difficulty levels.

[thereapersson]

360 fanboys. 360 owners also buy whatever crap that's served out to them with a 360 logo on it (sort of like Wii owners, too). It's why games sell so much more on the 360, even if they aren't very good / deserving of their ratings..

Then again, the opposite could be said about PS3 owners, who, despite having plenty of great games out there to buy, simply fail to bump the attach rate of the system up to par.

[Legend]

I agree with the sentiment, but don't you find it hypocritical to take this stance after your post # 10, where you base your premise (God of War is superior based upon critical acclaim) on the concept of a so called AAA title?

[The Wood]

i liked that American psycho and am a huge fan of C Bale

Does anybody have both games here. Edge are starting to act strange.

[thereapersson]

However, it was mainly to prove a point to the fanboys on this site who are constantly obsessed with numbers. I could actually care less about what a game receives just as long as I get the chance to play it and I like it. If not, I don't care if its cumulative average is 100/100; you can't polish a turd and expect the smell to disappear as well.

[Legend]

@thereapersson - I understand. Well said and cheers.

@thewood - thanks man! Do you like Phil Collins? I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. Christy, take off your robe. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. Sabrina, remove your dress. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Sabrina, why don't you, uh, dance a little. Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock. Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and Against All Odds. But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. :-)

Bubbles to both. I'm in a generous mood today. Its Friday, after all. Even though neither of you need them.

[thereapersson]

You provide a good conversation here

[The Wood]

you aint gunna kill me are ya patrick

bubbles

@ thereapersson

my sentiments exactly

bubbles

[Legend]

That depends on how much better your business card is than mine. :-)

[Closing]

NG has always been my favorite out of the bunch, and hopefully next time they'll have better bosses, camera, and story. The mechanics alone make it the best out of those titles because action games rely the most on that. In short ninjas are just cooler. However If GoW3 can pull off what it did last gen for this gen then it will be a force to be reckoned with so I definitely can't wait to see what they have up their sleeves for that title.

[kazuma]

well, gaiden 2 has a metacritic score of 82 ,dmc4 84, god of war 1 94, god of war 2 93.

[iGrenade]

Because we all care what Edge thinks. Tch. I really think they should hire some professionals instead of 12-year-olds. They really need to get their heads straight and stop their crazy accusations. I enjoy playing Ninja Gaiden II, but I wholely disagree that the gameplay mechanics "completely obliterate" that of Devil May Cry and God of War.

[jackie chann]

Ninja gaiden just targets a different crowd.

It's going after us 1990s arcade junkies, it's a game like metal slug. It's got flawless gameplay packed with non stop action, and an extremely poor plot. However this "breed" of gamer doesn't really care about plot, we've seen it all before. We're a type of "adreneline junkie" moving on to the next big challenge. Kind of like a drug addict needing higher doses to get high, we need higher doses of hard gameplay.

In the end we just want a challenge, it's nice to watch incredible cinematics, but when it suddenly dumbs down and half of the attacks from the cut-scenes aren't in-game. Playing the game through a second time is near pointless because you've already seen that cut-scene.

So yeah story games are great, but after your first play through you'll just skip them (unless you're a massive fan). So we end up turning to gameplay and this is where NG2 delivers.

[Legend]

Spot on oberservation. You have just described me perfectly. Bubbles up!

[The Wood]

back then....

[PirateThom]

God of War blows everything else away, if you don't believe it, I don't really care, since you're free to believe whatever you want.

[brothersimon]

I dont like DMC to Ninja ... Ive always thought ninja was the better game.

[Veryangryxbot]

And then one morning you wake up, surf over to N4g and see this:

"TECMO ANNOUNCES NINJA GAIDEN 2 FOR THE PS3"

...

OWNED?

Didnt you bots did the same thing with Bioshock, Mass effect and more of that crap? Rofl look at what happened with Bioshock kiddo.

So yea, keep hyping those games cos they happen to be 360 exclusive so far. When Tecmo PWNS Itagaki, then we will see if you are still laughing.

[LuHawk]

Still aint got that ps3 controller out your butt? Damn your gay

[highdro]

i dont know what EDGE has been smoking now adays, first the give MGS4 8 and now they come up with this, i have played bothe this games they are talking about and i still prefer GOD OF WAR , the camera in god of war is so much better than dmc4 and ng2, also the controls in god of war works better, in god of war 2 the opean stage was explosive, u fight a big ass god as soon as u begain and the action is more epic because of the music they play, i still like dmc4 and ng2 but i love GOD OF WAR 1&2 and with sony showing GOD OF WAR 3 at this E3 event its just going to confirm that GOD OF WAR is the true king of hack and slash games.

[Swiftfox]

So it's gameplay of Ninja Gaiden 2 vs God of War vs Devil May Cry 4.

Which is the best? Simple. Which ever you yourself enjoyed more.

No need to try to convert or ridicuel other gamers who just so happened to not agree with you. It's fine to state your opinion, just don't ram it down my throat as fact.

[Aquanox]

There's no action game with better fight mechanics than Ninja Gaiden II. DMC4 and God of War might have better storytelling and higher production values, but when it comes to gameplay and combat, Ninja Gaiden II obliterates them all.

[heyheyhey]

true stuff there

still prefer GOW though- i like me some story in games, and.. erm... sex mini-games =)

[The Wood]

is the closest to a vs fighting game you can get but that is not enough to it to warrant such a score and brush its faults under the carpet.

Scores are comparable no matter what genre they are so I ask again

What is the better game? NG or MGS

[Swiftfox]

I'm afraid only you can answer that question...

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...And prevent forest fires.

[Legend]

Well, MGS challenges the concept of what can traditionally be considered a "game." It blurs the line between game and movie like no other game I've played. I have no problem with the cut scenes and enjoy watching them, as they are the highest quality I've seen. In fact, I just finished up Act 3 last night and even my fiancee, who usually is too busy reading wedding magazines to pay much notice, was enthralled to the point of asking me serious questions about what was going on. She said that it was better than most movies she's seen this year. As for actual gameplay, I don't want to give too much away but I'll say that I just finished the greatest vehicle level in any game I've ever played.

NGII is akin to an old school arcade game. High energy, high speed, high difficulty, high adrenaline. It is less concerned with story and more concerned with jumping in and cutting people up like an upturned lawn mower.

This is a difficult comparison to make because of the differences between the two in terms of just about everything they bring to the TV. MGS4 is an experience that will be regarded as a definitive example of generation seven gaming. The fan service is awesome. The story is driving, the characters are engaging, the graphics are fantastic, and the new gameplay faculties are awesome. NGII is platinum in regards to combat, but stays firmly rooted in what was done last gen on its XBOX versions, and in Sigma.

What it comes down to is what type of experience you are looking for at the moment. High speed action with ridiculous difficulty (on the higher levels) or interactive and immersive experience that pushes the concept of gaming forward and stands as an example in the "games as art" argument.

[juuken]

I like Ninja Gaiden mainly for it's combat system. It does have an excellent combo system, and you would have to be NUTS to use the same freakin' moves (Flying Swallow) on enemies because they will kill you faster than you can kill them. I mainly use Flying Swallows to clear a huge group of enemies (Sigma).

But when it comes to storyline, and excellent camerawork, I have to give it to the God of War/Devil May Cry series. I hope that if a Ninja Gaiden 3 *does* come, it has a more convincing storyline and the camera is actually fixed. I'm sure the camera won't be a problem for me in NG2 when I get my 360 but for other people it'll be a pain in the ass.

That's MY opinion.

[JokesOnYou]

NG2 has its problems but the combat mechanics/gameplay is hands down the best in the genre, some of the combos are just simply jaw dropping, seriously the combat/fighting is so damm good that its the only thing makes you want to keep playing enough to finish the game.

It just makes me wonder how great this game COULD HAVE BEEN if it were not for the sometimes ANNOYING CAMERA, the STORY AND PRESENTATION WERE SO BAD at times I wondered out loud what the hell Team Ninja(Itagaki) was smoking when they came up with the dialogue for this game, ha ha it reminded me of watching those Kung Fu theatre movies when I was a kid. Finally, the LEVEL DESIGN wasn't terrible but could have been alot better. Now with all that said obviously the whole package just wasn't there in NG2, but make no mistake about it the core combat in this game is by far better than anything else in the genre.

JOY

[LaChance]

Team Tecmo just dont have the funds that DMC4 and GOW devs got.

[The Wood]

yo may be right but is that any excuse. Im sure ms helped with the funding

[Nitrogen]

What the hell? God of War? Edge has FAIL written all over it

[cellfluid]

Y don't u guys wait till the omega comes out g.o.w.3 that will total own everything on the map u can't judge a last gen game with a next gen game that's just sad 4 these guys 2 do g.o.w. 1 and 2 was last gen that's how great the game was that they r compairing it 2 a 360 game wow ps2 still rocks

[kewlkat007]

I've played all three games and series.

When it comes to Gameplay Combat, GOW and DMC4 are CHILDSPLAY.

GOW + Heavenly Sword - have very PRESENTATION/STORY. The way the game evovles and (simulated button presses) gives the game a much better presentaion throughout the Core gameplay.

DMC 4 - is in between but has more Style/Flare. It's obvious the metrosexual characters...Ha!

NG2(currently playing) the Camera sucks, and the graphics are not what it could of been but the RAW-ACTION GAMEPLAY is ridiculous good. The Action/Weapons and the Carnage is why anyone could pick up this game and have fun with it.

That's if your into the Genre and do not play one franchise.

[kevnb]

just had to bring it up.

[okcomputer]

For the most part I agree w/your post, but you're selling gow short. Putting it in the same category as heavenly sword makes no sense. Heavenly sword was half assed, and doesn't even belong in the same conversation with dmc ng and gow. I've also played them all and i'd take gow over dmc or ng any day. The combat in ng is better, but thats all. Gow has the edge in everything else, and the gameplay is more varied.

The camera in ng2 is also nothing short of atrocious. It was bad in ng1, but manageable. In ng2 it was way worse. Its mind boggling that the devs, hearing the complaints about the camera in ng1, would actually make it even worse in the sequel. What makes it even more annoying is that the devs took advantage of the bad camera by making enemies shoot at you from way off screen, and making some enemies who take advantage of the bad camera and intentionally jump off screen when you get up close. Thats not upping the challenge, its just being cheap. Ng2 is still a good game, but it has far to many issues to be considered as "wasting" gow.

[kewlkat007]

Probably it's because I love Hack n Slashers and like to try them all. Ever since NES/Genesis days this genre was hot.

No I do not think the game as a whole, is up there with the other series, well Heavenly Sword might not even get a sequel. All the other games have been STRONG franchises. I just can't say the same for HS currently. Too much was "scripted" in HS.

I can't stand the Camera in NG2. It's @ss

My next hack n slasher/action/adventure with RPG elements, you guessed it Too Human.

[ShAkKa]

the only thing i can do is just laugh at this BS.

[n4gzz]

God of War is the best. Nothing compares to it when it comes to hack and slash.

[PSMonster21]

LOL...ok edge w/e you say.

[kevnb]

Story is only important if the game makes it important, lets not forget that simple fact.

[snp]

Yes and no. If you put one in, right or wrong, people are going to judge it.

I guess this all depends how 'gameplay' is judged. For some, it means 'dexterity of finger movements' to core character movements and interactions, and that's about it. For others, it involves everything the game does or attempts to do judged on it's own merits and against similar titles - level design, camera implementation (whether it's transparent, or even benefits, or if gets in the road), story (inc sound/graphics/dialogue/pacing etc), puzzle design, and controls (variety, ease and preciseness).

[Xi]

the combat in NG2 is the most visceral and smooth combat in any "hack N slash" game. It's the closest thing to a fighting game but manages to keep it's speed.

But unfortuantely the camera has a couple issues (none that hinder gameplay to any extreme), the story is shallow, and the game doesn't feel complete(probably because of the lawsuits).

My point being that a game has to be measured by the whole not just the gameplay, and while it may have the best, it lacks in other areas.

[dar36]

FIRST OF ALL HOW CAN U COMPARE A PS2 GAME TO A NEXT GEN GAME? THAT MAKES NO SENSE. WE'LL JUST WAIT TILL GOD OF WAR III COMES OUT. NG2 WILL BE A FORGOTTEN MEMORY BY THEN.

[Reibooi]

This is a fact. Ninja Gaiden II has by far the best Fighting mechanics ever put into a action game. God Of War has a decent story(personally i don't like the whole Greek thing but some do and that's fine.) but basically is a button masher. I never once tried to do anything specific while play GOW1-2 just button mashed with the exception of the quick time events. DMC is more of the same idea except its fun to switch things up to get a better style rating which helps you in the longer run by giving more proud souls. However Ninja Gaiden II MAKES you learn if you button mash in this game you will get owned in 5 seconds. Blocking, Evading, Countering, and good combo's are a must or you will never beat the game or the first boss for that matter.

[etownone]

Completely agree with what hey said.... the fighting engine in NG2 is 2nd to none.

I've played God of War and NG2 (I just passed the 8 th level on NG2), and I can say without a doubt God of War has better presentation but gameplay goes to NG2. Lightning fast, awesome fininshing moves, so many weapons to upgrade and master, and truly addictive and fun.

Anyone that played NG1 or Sigma will definitely be pleased.

[TenDollarBagel]

I agree with the comment about the fighting mechanics. NG2 is unparalleled when it comes to gameplay. However I would definitely give the advantage story wise to GoW.

[Nagthragarthoth]

Edge has no credibility here in America.... And this is just the classic style vs. substance argument.

Apparently EDGE likes their games to be completely mindless and devoid of an engaging arc.

More and more I'm finding EDGE to be just a waste of paper.

[Ali_The_Brit]

iv played ninja 2 demo, its very poor and feels very last gen, in all honesty i would think it was an xbox original or ps2 game or whatever if i didnt know any better..

[Wolf873]

but game-play hardly makes a game supreme. GOW kicks it's butt in all the other aspects, even to some extent DMC is better than NG series in story and basic overall feel. But I wouldn't trust anything from this website which is bitter against the PS3.

And yes the proof of Edge being bitter about PS3 or PS for that matter is the very fact that they are comparing a new game to an old gen game. But still that is not say that GOW mechanics suck, they're pretty much better than that of DMC.

[Bluejet]

I'll put God of war on the ps2 up against the entire NG series! God of war is just plain better.

[Bluejet]

God of war hands down the better game. I agree that NG has the best over all combat but that's were it stops. It lacks story and decent level design, not to mention it's tearable camera and frustrating AI.

And don't mistake frustration with challenge. When you can't see were attack are coming from because there usually of camera or you can't even see your on man due to three over sized enemy's. that's not challenging that's poor game design.

I am a big fan of what itagaki did with NG on the original xbox but for 2 to be the same damn game with even worse flaws in it is clearly a sign that it was rushed so he could get on with his lawsuit .

[strongbad1441]

This may be true about DMC4, although when I played it I thought it was pretty good, but I am confident that NG2 is nowhere near the quality of the God of War series.

[Gun_Senshi]

Says the magazine that gave ZoE 2 a 4 and Beyond Good and Evil a 6.

I can go on with EDGE scores that show how retarded they are.

Also DMC4 is one of the worse DMC ever and GoW is last gen.

ZoE fighting Engine > NG too.

But you won't know what is ZoE

[Bluejet]

Yeah i agree DMC4 is probably the worst in the series next to DMC2. But DMC 1 AND 3 could be considered as some of the best action games around

[PSWe60]

Edge Magazine seems a little confused

Nothing about Ninja Gaiden is better than God of War, maybe just graphics, 3rd60 vs. PS2 and all

[treereet]

Personally I think Ninja Gaiden's gameplay mechanics are the most rewarding but not as fun overall as God of Wars. Part of that could be because God of War has absolutely perfect pacing and a more interesting story that adds to the gameplay.

I've never gotten into DMC enough to compare it to the other two.

[Fanboy Slaughter]

NG has amazing combat, but calling God of War an over bloated spectacle?

EDGE, you are officially the worst game reviewer I have ever seen.

[highps3]

LMAO better than GOD Of War.... PLEASE JUST SHUT UP.

[wangdiddy82]

Sigma is better and that game was crap too.. I still havent beat the game and there really is no reason to beat it.. Its fun for the first few hours than your just like what is the game all about.. Theres no story at all.. You run around and kill things the same way for hours and hours. Crap gets old quick.. A game that is better than Ninja gaiden is god of war (hands down) and onimusha series. Ninja gaiden is over rated.. Never got into devil may cry so ninja gaiden is better than that to me..

[Alcohog]

This would be interesting if I held any value to Edge magazines opinion. One of the worst in the biz.

[Rhezin]

there are more combos and weapons than ANY of those two games combined, plus 60 fps fluidity and OVER THE TOP GORE.

btw-the ps3 scum is ripe in here, why don't you guys crawl back to the toilet you came from.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Thats kinda funny actually.

[avacadosnorkel]

highly respected publication

...that's a knee slapper

[Wolf873]

I have played NG and GOW, but I find myself enjoying GOW more since it seems more user-friendly to me. I mean executing different combos in GOW is easy and the learning curve is quiet fast. Also, I like mini-game aspect that GOW series introduced within fighting mechanics (which seems to have become a trend nowadays, as an inspiration I guess), and personally I found GOW finishers to be much more violent than NG. Overall, not to sound like a fanboy, GOW seems more appealing to me, but everyone has his/her own taste.

[KidMakeshift]

Because Ninja Gaiden 2 has the worst camera I've ever seen a video game. It practically breaks the game this time around when you have projectiles coming at you in every direction off screen. And who thought the multi-rocket launchers were a good idea. Jesus they're are so many projectiles in this game. It's maddening

I thought the game was okay. The last 5 chapters aren't bad because of the level design

[ghost of sparta]

god of war 3 will kick butt just like god of war 2 on ps2 kicked xboxs butt

[IdleLeeSiuLung]

People make comments about how great GoW 3 is, but the darn game isn't even out yet. For all I know, the game could start getting 60% reviews! Not that I care, because in the end if I enjoyed the game what does it matter the game score.

If I'm hesitant about a game I might read a few reviews, wait for the price to drop right and buy or rent it! I care more about what the reviewer said, than the final score.

[ghost of sparta]

god of war 3 game of the year even god of war 2 was almost game of the year just check it out on gamepro game of the year 2007

[WoodyWood09]

NG2 avg score 82, and God of War I 94 and GOW2 93 enough said!!!!!

[running rampid]

ng2 beating out dmc4? imo yes because dmc4 sucked monkey balls. but then again so did ng2 but not soo much. but ng2 beating god of war? get f*cking real.

[hadouken007]

of course its better, it should be GOW is on a psp and ps2,if a next gen system cant do better then those systems, get out the game bizzness Microsoft.

[Asurastrike]

Grats guys, your next gen game has better combat than a PS2 game!

[The Goulet]

These are the some guys that said HAZE was a good game.

Goulet

[n to the b]

there are droids here trying to pretend EDGE is in MS's pocket. but if EDGE likes Haze.... d@mmit, you're ruining the plan!

[grantps3]

every body knows that when its time for god of wars release that it will slaughter stupid ninja gaiden.

they are comparing it to an old ps2 game? why? wait and compare it to GOW3. i would bet my left nut that it completly obliterates it.

[pow3r of t3h c3ll]

fraid not xbots!

god of war owns NG and yes I have the right to make this judgement cus I own sigma and it doesnt hold a candle to the legendary god of war!

[LuHawk]

Maybe you need the power of the cell to process your brain better cause right now your on the level of a first grader

[SPECTER]

DMC4 yes it does. GOD OF WAR 1 and 2 no way near as good.

thats these guys for you.

[CertifiedGamer]

Everyone has said NG2 sucks and I got friends who bought a psp for god of war but I didn't hear anyone buying a ds for ng
GOD OF WAR HAS BETTER GAMEPLAY AND HAS BETTER STORYLINE Bottom Line

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

God of War is just a button masher, NG requires skill to play. Droids wouldn't know about skill, they are still waiting on those games to test it.

[-Maverick-]

Fail. You're an idiot.

[LuHawk]

Maverick Fail. you = Dumb ass

[The Goulet]

You must be kidding? Sigma was a button masher just the same except for a few instances against said bosses and FEW enemies where yuo might need a certain combo. Ninja Gaiden is also a huge button masher...thanks for comming out though.

Goulet

[-Maverick-]

Moron. God of WAR DOES and WILL CONTINUE to destory the mediocore/barely above average series, Ninja Gaiden.

God of WAR III will DESTROY Ninja Gaiden. Regardless of your OPINION beucase you can only play God of WAR on Playstation. Period. Ninja gaidens camera doesnt even work right, numb nuts.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Oh so true, NG takes true skill to play, no quick time cheap "press this button now" anything in this game.

[deno]

ninja gaiden 2 mechanics pwn all!!! yes ninja gaiden has the best fighting system hands down, gamers

[Spydr07]

Have to agree, NG/NG2 has the best fighting mechanics in that genre. It's that alone that bring back its customers. You can't say that about GoW or DMC. It might not be a more complete game, but it is untouched in that regard.

[poopface1]

a. you haven't played it

B. you suck at it

C. you dont like ninja action games, you like non challenging, repetative, corn-fest which was dmc4. Yes I played throug both, look at my profile, dmc doesnt compare to NG. I dont know about GOW cause I sold my ps2 a LONG time ago.

[karma]

i will say its one of the best and challenging games ive played this gen my only grudge with it is the camera & spider ninjas (lol)

whats up with the damn cam angle? and that stupid auto lock on? when your are fighting one guy the other one will hit from off screen,lock on shouldve been manual,before someone says RT no it doesnt work when you are fighting bosses EG: 2x armadillo or bosses with sidekicks

the cam angle worked in NG/NGB/NGS but in NG2 it frustrating
when you are cornered in group you cant even see ryu
all you can do is block~dash~jump~A and hope you are free

as for spider ninja's play on mentor/NM and find out yourself lol

[karma]

another thing is the damn load time/lock ups in the middle of action WTF is up with that?! the harder difficulty you play with more enemies on screen the more it happens

when you try to do certain strings lets says Tonfa's xx~cancel~dash~x..... the game locks up, you end up doing another move and you get punished for it

this game is good but its far from perfect

[7h3ultim8p00]

The camera is actually the same. It's just that in Ninja Gaiden II, the environmets are much bigger and enemies have a lot more space to move around. In Ninja Gaiden I, the camera was still crap, but the space was small so snapping the camera usually got everything you needed to see in view. In NG II, you are surrounded. No matter what you do, there will still be a sh1tload of enemies offscreen throwing penises and torsos at you.

[karma]

indeed

a zoom in/out something similar couldve made the cam better

"there will still be a sh1tload of enemies offscreen throwing penises and torsos at you."

spider ninja:exploding pen!ses FTW!!

lol

[SumRandomDude]

Now, do we really need to compare a last gen game to NG2?

[PS3Freak]

I do love ninja gaiden they are very fun games, but they will NEVER! EVER! be as good as god of war. Whoever decided to make this comment is a pathetic moron just looking to boost hits. When god of war 3 hits next year i'm sure its gonna blow away all action games of all time!

[n00bzRtehgey]

Nothing will ever beat God of War. However, DMC4 is sh1t. What a waste of money that was.

[master pain]

you guys can have your damn NG2, ill take those girls instead

i submit ladies i submit!

[otherZinc]

Ninja Gaiden 2 should be played by every hard gamer in the world!

[DX F3NIX]

this game is such crap DMC4 is better on the ps3 than the 360 and the ninja game totally gags waste of my money and time.

[poopface1]

DMC 4 is crap.

[7h3ultim8p00]

Any Ninja Gaiden II player will tell you that some of the combos the basic enemies in NGII pull off are comparable to the stuff you see the main characters do in GOW or DMC. And that's just the enemies.

[RINGOFDEATH]

BS this contributor .

[JeepGamer]

So one of the very few places that gave MGS4 less than 90% is also one of the few places that thinks NGII is better? They're also one of the places that gave Halo 3 a perfect score, but not Call of Duty 4 nor Bioshock. They also think NGII is superior to DMC4 and God of War 2 which they gave a paltry 70% back in April of 2007.

So here's what we gleam from this.

Edge magazine just wants to be dropped in the middle of a twitchy fast paced blood and gore fest because all that really matters to them is if the action is fast and furious. Story, characters, and games as works of art mean nothing to them and they just want to kill stuff and break things.

[UziSuicide]

Well, I used to think Edge was a quality mag but after this and the MGS4 score I don't get that anymore.

Different strokes for different folks and all but ummm yeah, mind boggling to say the least... and yes, I own both games.

[DX F3NIX]

this game still blows

[DX F3NIX]

ninja sigma was the worst version released to date

[aliveinboston]

"Hard-core gamers need Microsoft more. Much more"
-Edge Magazine (NGII review)

Openly endorsing a brand in this manner is the definition of blatant bias. Question nowadays is not which reviewer is for sale but how much they are asking. Let's face it, Microsoft's got the deepest pockets by far and the effect of all that money shows up over and over again.

[ta1snake]

Edge mag = Bullshit.

[OMGLOLZ]

I would happily agree with them.

Only idiots think that NG is deeper than DMC.

[DX F3NIX]

thankyou people are so stupid these days

[InMyOpinion]

Lol @ rabid fanboys doing damage control.

But but but but but...

[topdawg122]

NG is good, but not better than DMC or GOW. Those two actually have stories and ANYONE can play it not just experienced gamers.

[Cherchez La Ghost]

@ Comment 1-2 Sounds like you just got your azz-whipped by the NG series. Too hard for you?! They do have an easy option. Let me find out you got fustrated and broke your controller playing level 1 on easy.

@ Comment 5. Define your definition of "deep"?! Gameplay?! Storyline?! Were talking about the combat mechanics of this game. Every hit a enemy gives you, you will be stunned. Also, enemies apply combo attacks just as much as you do. There will be point of times that the enemies will beat the living **** out of you in this game. This combat mechanics system do not exist in DMC or GoW series. Yes the camera controls do get annoying, but that's just how NG series is.

[DX F3NIX]

your just some poor mexican asshole. NG was just a knock off of DMC series. wow your such a Facken idiot. i swear your mom gave birth to alot of Down Syndrome kids right?? im pretty sure.

[SpecialSauce]

this game in my eyes isn't anywhere on GOW's lvl and it must be insulting the developers that made GOW that this next gen game is even being compared to there last gen title. i mean this game isn't even considered a AAA game any more.

[xboxLOLnewayz]

God of War fukin owns ninja gayden.
i cant believe people are ACTUALLY EVEN comparing them.
there is nothing to say about it!
you guys just wait until god of war 3 comes out,then you'll
really see the record sells hit the roof!
Typical xbox fans wouldnt know nothin about that.