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Is 500 GB Enough For The Next Generation?

Like probably every other hardcore gamer on the planet, I am looking forward to that day a few months from now when the next generation consoles hit the stores, and I get my very own to hook up to the TV. However, unlike previous generations where the purchases to accompany the console were limited to games and/or an extra controller, there is one pre-console purchase I plan to make in advance. I’m going to get a new hard drive.

Right now, my current plan is to keep an eye out on 2.5”, one terabyte hard drives, and pick one up before the PS4 debuts. Then, the first thing I’m going to do when I take my console out of its packaging is open it up, swap out the stock 500 GB hard drive and put in the new one.

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Excalibur3966d ago (Edited 3966d ago )

Nope, especially when you have to install everything and it's moving to a blu-ray format.

solidt123966d ago

I think for most people that is enough but for people who game alot like n4g readers we will probably upgrade the hardrive at some point.

xX-StolenSoul-Xx3966d ago

I bought my white 500gig ps3 last april and it's down to 80gigs left :s All those ps plus games + disc download games took its toll.

500gig is not enough, gladly with the ps4 we could upgrade freely.

fardan853966d ago

For XB1 & PS4 "no ps+",the 500 GB might be enough. Consider that you will delete the games files if you don't feel like playing the game again, Most people won't go fully digital with their purchases in this gen, so with some management the 500 will be enough.

For PS+ subscribers, you will need a minimum of 1TB. Right now with ps3 & vita, I feel like I'm swimming in a sea of games, I delete games to free space for others every month. You will not need to upgrade right away, once the games for ps4 starts rolling in IGC like now with ps3 then you will find it essential, unless you enjoy to delete games.

fourOeightshark3966d ago

500 GB will be enough for me thanks to the play while downloading feature. Redownloading uninstalled games won't be an issue.

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bumnut3966d ago (Edited 3966d ago )

500GB is plenty of storage, you don't need to have all of your games installed at once.

500GB should be enough for 30 games +

Not all games are big, and don't forget that disc based games include multiple languages.

kayoss3966d ago

500gb is enough for an average gamer. But If you are a PSN plus member, thats not enough. I currently have a 750gb hd on my PS3 and I can tell you that I've already filled up 515gb (had to go check and confirm) with every single PSN plus game offered so far.
If PSN plus follow its trend to the next gen, I dont think 500gb will be enough.

badz1493966d ago

if games are not all mandatory full install, then 500GB is plenty

GribbleGrunger3966d ago

When did Sony say that you have to install everything? As far as I know, you have the choice.

B-radical3966d ago

Agreed i wanna know how external HDs work with next gen consoles.

But anyway it happens every cycle starts of small then goes massive prob be 2tb versions of x1 and ps4 at end of cycle

duli143966d ago

It will be enough for xbox one, but for PS4 with PS plus I don't think so.

GameCents3966d ago

If the Xbox One allows the use of an external harddrive in tandem with the internal 500 gig then I see no problem.
Obviously you will not be able to play a game off one hard drive while accessing DLC or even music on the other but as long as upgrading doesn't mean having to transfer all data from the internal then I say it's a big win for the consumer.

B-radical3966d ago

I read somewhere xbox one will be able to use external hard drive so should ps4

Hicken3966d ago

That... doesn't quite make sense.

For one, playing a game off an external wouldn't be as fast as an internal, even if it IS through USB 3.0.

For another, that's an extra device you need- most likely formatted and dedicated solely to holding games and saves- in order to play games.

And of course you'd have to transfer the data when upgrading from one internal to another. How else do you expect to upgrade?

And how do you figure it's a "big win" for anybody? If consumers wanna make CERTAIN they've got enough space for a generation of gaming on XBOne, they'll need to add something onto their console. Sorry, but that's not nearly as efficient or sensible as just allowing you to upgrade the internal.

Hell, that's yet another way XBOne is a step backwards from the 360, which allowed you to upgrade(albeit with their own proprietary hard drives that only went up to a certain size).

The best option is to allow consumers to upgrade the internal. THAT would be a win for the consumer.

GameSpawn3966d ago (Edited 3966d ago )

I always thought this was Microsoft's biggest oversight. They just want control over what hard drives go in their console when really it isn't that big of a deal. I can only think it is that they cannot figure out a way to restore the OS to the hard drive, when a new one is installed, via on-board flash or through a firmware update run via USB (ala PS3) because their OS is too big for this to be feasible.

Also the external USB will never be as fast as native SATA, even if it is USB3.0.

Thank god Sony understands the importance of user replaceable and upgradable hard drives. I liked that I could change out the HDD in my PS3 for an SSD which performs MUCH better and generates considerably less heat (yeah it was more expensive, but it was worth it). The PS4 has already been confirmed to have a user replaceable drive and I plan on getting a 1TB in there come hell or high water. I just hope SSD 1TBs will drop a little in price by the time I get a PS4 because the Crucial M500 is around $600 right now (at $300-400 I'd start consider getting one as an upgrade, otherwise I'll stick with standard HDDs until the price drops).

Blackdeath_6633966d ago

it is if you can replace or upgrade the hard drive

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Gazondaily3966d ago (Edited 3966d ago )

I think it should be. I have hardly used up the 250GB (or so) on my 360.

[Edit]- Actually, as Excalibur mentions, mandatory installs might take up a lot of space.

Still, I'm content with 500GB for now.

mandf3966d ago

@Septic

The 360 didn't use Blu-ray. That format changes the coding of a game to a certain extent. Certain codes are reused on different layers adding up to larger games. Not to mention things aren't as compressed because of the amount of space.

I too have a 250gbs but I can only put 28 games on it with 4gbs left. Look at these current gen games

The last of us 26gb

Call of duty 14gb

tomb raider 9gb

Battlefield 3 13gb

Demon souls 8gb

Vanquish 12gb

Imfamous 16gb

In the seven games I listed is a 100gb right there. That almost half the hard drive. I currently have access to 300 games on the psn store and can only fit 28. That is sad and I won't let it happen to me again.

I was just trying to give you a different way of looking at it.

Gazondaily3966d ago

Ah wow...that put things in perspective!

I suspect a lot of uninstalling/re-installing to happen

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mandf3966d ago

Yes and it sucks waiting. I can't wait for download and start next gen. Thousands of gbs of info aaargrh. I would love to have all my games access-able at once. It's an easy mistake to make. Think about it. Anyone reading do your self a favor and hook it up.

Serg3966d ago

And with the bump in texture sizes, expect games to hit the 50GB ceiling pretty soon. Kojima managed to hit it with current gen 5 years ago already.

God of War III was 33-40GB I believe.

And people are dreaming about a digital only future with their 10MBit connection and 500GB of storage...

mandf3966d ago (Edited 3966d ago )

@Serg

You are absolutely correct. We going from 720p and mostly lower to native 1080p that in its self is a lot of info. Not to mention 5gb and 7gb so far of the system ram and developers are going to make larger worlds. Games are going to take up a lot of space.

Serg3966d ago

Yup, and while we're on the topic of system ram, fun fact: The XBox One and PS4s total system memory is bigger than ~95% of XBox 360 games (Excluding the few multi disc games).

DVD9, which is the format the 360 uses, has a total capacity of 8,5GB. However, due to the fact that mandated data from Microsoft has to be on every game disc, most games are only a little over 7GB in size. Among other things, developers have to include 480p and 720p (maybe even 1080p, not sure) video tracks of the Xbox 360 intro on the disc, which is played when you insert the disc into a DVD player, telling you to put the disc into a 360.

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NYC_Gamer3966d ago

Nope,the installs will eat up that 500gb.

dcj05243966d ago

No. Give me a terabyte and I'm set all generation.

colonel1793966d ago

60 GB sounded like a great option for PS3 at launch. I actually thought that PS4 and XBox One would launch with at least 1TB, but we'll definitely see that changing in the future. Even more at the end of the console life cycle.

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15 Great Games Where Every Minute of the Experience Feels Earned

GB: "We take a look at 15 amazing games that had the perfect length."

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coolbeans2h ago

Pretty good list. Botany Manor would be the newest addition that encapsulates that title.

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Anyone else not blown away with graphics these days? Me neither

Talal writes: "I'm talking about having that rush of excitement - that feeling you get when you know you've just made a memory for a lifetime."

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OptimusDK3d ago

There are different games. Some have gamplay at it highest priority, some have the story, some have the replay value and choices... There are a lot of different game experiences.

It is laughable that just now graphics does not have anything to do with that experiene. We have had many games of that type over time. This is just the one that have come closest to feel like playing an actual movie. Just look the the Digital foundry walkthrough it is a masterpiece in that perspective and hence wrth trying. But yes do not do it for the gameplay - but that was never the goal of this experience.

GamerRN2d ago

It's because it's on Xbox. When Xbox has amazing graphics, they don't matter. When PlayStation does, it's a game changer!

Lightning772d ago

Pretty much my thoughts. They were technical marvel's on PS and still are. The moment Xbox puts out a graphically intense game is doesn't matter suddenly.

4 years ago this month would the UE5 tech demo debut with the girl flying (tech demo said it was only possible on PS5 because of the SSD. Glad to finally see it in its glory.

fr0sty2d ago

FFS, gaming journalism has really gone downhill. At least hire people with a basic grasp of grammar... "Me neither" means the exact opposite of what the "author" is trying to say. That's like saying "I could care less"... lol.

S2Killinit2d ago

Maybe because the gameplay being dull allowed it to have the amazing graphics and people are not as impressed by graphics alone anymore? I mean there is a lot of sites saying the story and the gameplay are lackluster. So what are we supposed to enjoy then? Cgi graphics are beautiful but since they arent interactive, they dont impress me as much as they used to. Thats an extreme example, but you get my drift.

Terry_B2d ago

When Playstation (Sony) does it..its usually a great game and not a cinematic experience..or at least something new at the time..like Until Dawn back in 2015.

1Victor2d ago

@gamer:” It's because it's on Xbox. When Xbox has amazing graphics, they don't matter. When PlayStation does, it's a game changer!”

The game looks as good as any other PlayStation game in my eyes why can’t you and the other hardcore Xbox be happy about it and drag PlayStation into every conversation and force PlayStation hardcore to look into the game and find flaw that most games have in one way or another.
@light: “ 4 years ago this month would the UE5 tech demo debut with the girl flying (tech demo said it was only possible on PS5 because of the SSD. ”
Yes at that time it was only possible on PlayStation SSD how ignorant of you to think that after 4 years the technology wouldn’t evolved and move to a industry standard 🤦🏿I wish your mentality wasn’t so naive and narrow to post stuff like that 😩 in a year or 2 a new game will come out that might look better, it’s the nature of the industry.

Now that the distraction is gone I feel that is a good thing that the graphics in games are starting to hit the rooftop and hopefully the developers will put more thoughts into story and gameplay mechanics than just the next shiny oily skin of old.

Reaper22_2d ago

So true. Not surprised by all the negativity. It's a really good game and looks better than any game I've ever seen. GOTY nominee for sure. Like I said before, sony screwed up big time by not purchasing Ninja Theory.

Asplundh2d ago

Pretty much. It's like how the Switch and Steam controller using haptic feedback in their controllers wasn't a big deal but then Sony did it and it was then a "game changer".

fr0sty2d ago

The game runs at as low as 21fps... That isn't much to brag about no matter how good it looks.

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MajorLazer2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

We've had graphical gamechangers before, such as Crysis but those games still had gameplay to compliment it. Hellblade pretty much has none, and only achieved such graphics through being incredibly linear and having very small, closed off environments where very little is happening.

Vx_2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

GFX does not mean anything if the game is boring. It is simple like that and these major companies need to understand this simple concept.

Games are like your lady, she may be beautiful to look at for a while but then it gets boring if her character isn't interesting and fun to be with.

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Kneetos3d ago

Mario kart 8 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Sonic18813d ago

Horizon forbidden West has great graphics and great gameplay

GamerRN2d ago

Yeah but graphics don't matter, remember?

anast2d ago

@RN

I've been pretty consistent in saying that we need both.

GamerRN1d 1h ago

So until dawn, too human, or whatever those series of games were... Graphic masterpieces it garbage with no gameplay?

VincentVanBro3d ago

I agree and I actually think Forbidden West looks better than Hellblade 2. I easily prefer looking at it at least.

Sonic18812d ago

It does look better in my opinion as well. I don't know why it looks better but there's something about the Decima engine or that guerrilla games is using tricks that we don't know of

Abear212d ago

Can you fly a mount under water in Hellblade 2? I think not! One of the best moments this Gen

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Two Decades Later, the Original Splinter Cell is Still a Masterpiece

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vgvill11d ago

Too dated in my book. The AI is way too unpredictable to be acceptable today. It's definitely a game of its time.

Jingsing11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Agreed with those sentiments. The quality of the CPU controlled characters make or break a stealth game and they are pretty poor in all the Splinter Cell games by today's standard. This is what led me to playing Spies vs Mercs all the time in later games just to get a better stealth experience from a real person. Arguably Sony are making better stealth games albeit not Tom Clancy stuff.

TheProfessional11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

You should stick with fortnite or one of the countless bloodborne style games then. What a joke.

rlow111d ago

I had a good time with the game. It is a product of its time. But when it came out it was a must have game for a lot of people. I wish Ubisoft would make another game in the series or at least a reboot.

vgvill11d ago

They are making a remake, I think. I loved the original game when it was released, but I tried to play it again in recent years and just couldn't get on with it. The same with the older Hitman games.

PrecursorOrb11d ago

Yeah chaos theory still holds up though I gotta say. If you’re a fan of the series I highly suggest you go back to that one. Ubi has said they are remaking sc for “modern audiences”. I don’t have a lot of faith for the future of that company

Chocoburger11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Due to the lack of modern stealth games, and me constantly playing the MGS series, I've been looking for alternative stealth games to play, and went back and re-played the SC series recently. I wouldn't call SC1 or SC:PT masterpieces, there are AI issues, they're very much trial-and-error games, and that can lead to a lot of frustration. I also found the stories in this series to be boring, uninteresting, and just sloppily told. Cinematics are also of poor quality for both in-game scenes and CG cut-scenes, the soundtrack didn't leave any impression on me either.

Chaos Theory is better, but there was still a lot of room for improvement, and Double Agent (old gen ver.) was a sloppy mess that ended up a regression from CT. But still, at least they tried back then, these days Ubi-junk doesn't even try to make good games!

HvNzSoul2d ago

Everyone needs to quit with all of the unnessacery Ubi-hate. SC Conviction and Blacklist are both still good games.

HvNzSoul2d ago

Everyone needs to quit with all of the unnecessary Ubi-hate. SC Conviction and Blacklist are both still good games, they just weren't 100% focused on stealth with Conviction and they remedied that in Blacklist. The only thing they have released recently that I was disappointed with was Watch Dogs Legion, and Skull & Bones. Everyone seems to be salty about the misleading trailer for the original Watch Dogs and The Division. Which are also, both good games, and actually Watch Dogs seems like it was ahead of its time even with all the trailer drama (having gone back and played recently, can say the game didnt deserve all the flak). Yeah the misleading E3 trailer that had better graphics than release is understandable to a very small degree, when most Teaser Trailers, or Game Demo's only have that portion of the game developed so they use the highest quality assets of w/e they have being showed, or what they are showing was made purely for the showing, allowing for extra polish . As to the gripes about minor game design changes, or cut features upon a games release just goes to show how unknowledgeable most gamers are in terms of how game development works or to even understand what what the hell a WIP, let alone titles still in early development.

Good games from Ubi since 2014 (Year that SC Blacklist Released) include:

Watch Dogs 1 & 2
The Division 1 & 2 (Although I had a hard time getting into The Division 2 at first)
R6 Siege
Ghost Recon Wildlands & Breakpoint
Immortals Fenyx Rising
AC Origins, Odyssey, MIrage (Haven't finished Valhalla games too damn long)
Far Cry Primal, and 5 (6 also has a length issue)
Avatar Frontiers of Pandora
Prince Of Persia The Lost Crown

Haven't played a couple of titles those being For Honor (played at launch but didn't honestly give it an actual go), The Crew, R6 Extraction and at the time of writing this xDefiant.

Even if you absolutely hated any of the above titles, they aren't inherently bad games, they're just good, but not always top quality either.

I say give Ubi credit where credit is due, they at least fix games post launch if they start out rough, Breakpoint is an excellent example this and is such an enjoyable experience now compared to it's launch.