The BS “Nintendo Doesn’t Make New IP’s” Narrative Needs To stop

Mii-gamer:

I keep hearing the narrative that Nintendo does not make any new IP’ often, and it really baffles me, how individuals can honestly believe what is coming out of their mouths. Frankly, I’ve had enough! I will once and for all dispel the BS narrative that Nintendo doesn’t make any new IP’s.

[randomass171]

They've made a number of new IPs especially in this generation, but people seem to gloss over them and ignore their existence. Makes you wonder why Nintendo focuses so much on their bigger, money making franchises.

[The_Hero]

There are some new IPs, but no other consoles makes more new IP than PlayStation.
It's not an opinion, it's a fact.

[randomass171]

I completely agree. Sony produces new IPs all the time, but this isn't a question of who has the most. This is a question of whether or not Nintendo makes new IPs at all, and the thing is they actually do. Considerably more often than Microsoft even I would say.

[PSNintyGamer]

And this is relevant how? We're talking about Nintendo's problem here.

[BlackWolf]

So... what's your point, exactly?

[UltimateMaster]

@PSNintyGamer
@BlackWolf
Well, you pretty much said that the lack of new IP is an issue.

But compared to what? Xbox? PS? Third-Party?

[OtakuDJK1NG-Rory]

because Sony discards them every new generation and current ones that been around more than 2 gens get rehashed with collections over and over.

[BlackWolf]

@The_Hero

While I know more new IP launch on Sony and Microsoft more often than Nintendo, I wonder what's the need to compare here. The issue at hand is that people claim Nintendo does not make new IP, when in fact they do. That's why I don't find any point on you remarking that.

[kreate]

I saw the list and i have to say a lot of those new ips are not made by nintendo.

Not sure about the ones from the 80's or 90's.

But the ones from 2000's and up.

[fatneal]

i agree sony makes new ips but how many of them survive?...theres a difference between first party new ips and 3rd party new ips thats exclusive to a console

[stragomccloud]

Of course it's a fact. But really Sony has to make new IPs, because they've never really been very good at maintaining them. This is not a criticism. Just an observation. Personally I think it keeps things interesting.

[lilbroRx]

Like what?

[thehobbyist]

And more IPs die on PlayStation than any other platform!
Crash, Jak, MediEvil protagonist. I'LL ALWAYS REMEMBER YOU! *Manly tear*

[headwing45]

I'm sorry, but Nintendo barely makes new IP's. The only two on the Wii U are Splatoon and Devil's Third, and there not even released let alone being the only two original IP's on the Wii U (outside wonderful 101), everything else is sequels, some even reaching the double digits (Mario Party 10).

I mean, look at this chart of Wii U games: http://www.vgchartz.com/pla...

ALL SEQUELS! What people actually need to stop doing is praising Nintendo for something they are not doing. People are acting like Nintendo can do whatever they want and Nintendo will still be successful. I say this as a guy who doesn't want Nintendo to fail and (believe it or not) a Nintendo fan.

[Metallox]

So do you want Nintendo to fail? Even if they're still making excellent games despite their lack of building more appealing IP's? Huuuuuge disagree there.

[headwing45]

I don't want Nintendo to fail, which is why I write comments like these. I know Nintendo is very talented, but there also stubborn, that's why the Wii U in lagging is sales. It's fine if they make great sequels, I don't think they should stop doing that, but they need originality too. They barely have a 3rd party market and they don't make original IP's, which pretty much alienates everyone who doesn't like Mario and other Nintendo games.

[randomass171]

Disney Infinity and ZombiU are not sequels, Lego City Undercover was the first original Lego game and so on. Every platform is riddled with sequels and that's not really a bad thing. When PS4 launched, many of its games were sequels as well. However Sony DID produce Knack and they advertised the indie title Octodad. Microsoft had Ryse and Titanfall, and that was it. Also sequels tend to make more money, so you will see many publishers do them if they continue to be successful. They're actually making two new IPs and one is on each of their platforms. Splatoon is coming to Wii U and S.T.E.A.M. is coming to 3DS. :)

[jcnba28]

A lot of Nintendo fans including myself don't care about new IPs, we'd rather Nintendo continue their existing IPs or bring back their old IPs that haven't been touched in years i.e. 1080 snowboarding, Wave Race, Eternal Darkness etc. Why is it so hard for you people to understand that?

[headwing45]

@randomass171

Disney Infinity and ZombiU are not Nintendo IP's, Disney Infinity isn't even exclusive to Wii U... these are not game's I would buy a Wii U for. I'm talking about Original IP's with the same caliber as something like a Zelda and Mario, something that is critically acclaimed.

The PS4 hasn't been out half as long as the Wii U, and by the time it is, it will have games like The Order, Driveclub and Bloodborne. Sony doesn't really have this problem.

I'm not saying Sequels are bad, I understand they generate alot of money, but when the Wii U sales are rivalling the Dreamcast sales, that's a red flag. I know you care about Nintendo, but if you really did, you would try to help them be the best system they can be.

Also I'm aware the 3DS has games, the 3DS is killing it in the portable market.

[headwing45]

@jcnba28

They aren't even making the games you mentioned, they keep making the same generic stuff they've been making FOR YEARS. I wouldn't mind a Donkey Kong game with the same level design as the one in 64, but instead we got a Donkey Kong sequel of... a remake... -_-

Look, I understand people buy the Wii U for Zelda and Mario, but right now, people aren't buying the Wii U, and that's the problem.

[lilbroRx]

Thats a lie..

Crashmo/Pushmo
Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem
Wonderful 101
Fantasy Life
Xenoblade X
Code Name S.T.E.A.M.
Project Giant Robot
Project Guard
Nintendo Land
The Denpa Men
Dillon's Rolling Western
Splatoon
Steel Diver
Rusty's Real Deal Baseball
Harmonight

15 New I.P.s in 2 years(Thats not all of them, but those are the only ones I can name off the top of my head).

None of those are sequels and all are from this gen. Your comment is a load of crap, but what more can you expect from Nintendo haters.

[headwing45]

@lilbroRx

HOLY SHIT YOUR RIGHT! ARE ALL THOSE GAMES ON WII U??? WOW I'M GOING TO GO BUY THEM RIGHT NOW, THANKS FOR CORRECTING ME!

In all honesty, I said Wii U, not 3DS, I'm aware the 3DS is Nintendo's cash cow, I'm also aware there are very few original IP's on Wii U. Please actually read my comment next time -_-

[OtakuDJK1NG-Rory]

8th gen Nintendo New IP 3DS & Wii U:
Pushmo
Freakyform
Steel Diver
Dillon Rolling Western
The Wonderful 101
Splatoon
Codename S.T.E.A.M
Nintendo Land
SiNG Party
Style Savvy
SMT x FE
The Denpa Men
Rusty's Real Deal Baseball
Harmonight
The Denpa Men

7th Gen New IP DS & Wii:
Xenoblade Chronicles
The Last Story
Pandora's Tower
Disaster Day of Crisis
Endless Ocean
Rhythm Heaven
Captain Rainbow
Hotel Dusk
Elite Beat Agent
Nintendogs
Tomodachi Life

off the top of my hand

@lilbroRx
Xenoblade Chronicles X is part of Xenoblade Chronicles series so that 7th gen IP. Project Guard and Giant Robo are mostly apart of Star Fox Wii U.

[3-4-5]

I remember when New IP's were something to get excited about. Seems Nintendo still somewhat gets that.

* A lot of the "New IP's" for PS4 & XB1 seem....kind of the same as last gen really. There are some cool games I can't wait to play, but it just feels like more of the same...EXCEPT for what Nintendo is doing kind of.

[dcj0524]

Destiny, bloodbourne and Rime seem cool.

[3-4-5]

Yes I actually can't wait to play all those + 1886.

I like what Sony is doing on the PS4, but I also see some of the same still.

I wish larger studios would take what they are doing, but maybe embrace some more colorful art styles or something, because last gen had way too much of the same. Too many generic games on ALL consoles.

[pcz]

nintendo are having an identity crisis.

their new games clearly demonstrate this.

that horrible squid game is possibly the worst nintendo game i have seen in a long time, in fact it doesnt even look like a nintendo game. it looks like something sega would make. in fact, not even sega, because sega would give it character.

as for listing nintendo's second party titles as 'new IPS' ... thats cheating. they arent really nintendo games, nintendo merely own them, they are nintendo's property.

its a bit like somebody commissioning an artist to make a painting, and then claiming they are the creator when the painting is finished.. ie stop giving credit to nintendo when it is not theirs to claim!!!!! monolith are making xenoblade, not nintendo!

[TekoIie]

@PCZ

"as for listing nintendo's second party titles as 'new IPS' ... thats cheating. they arent really nintendo games, nintendo merely own them, they are nintendo's property."

"its a bit like somebody commissioning an artist to make a painting, and then claiming they are the creator when the painting is finished.. ie stop giving credit to nintendo when it is not theirs to claim!!!!! monolith are making xenoblade, not nintendo!"

Yes what a brilliant analogy. Of course you screwed up at the part where Nintendo actually owns Monolith Soft... Which makes them a Nintendo company...

You sure showed everyone who knows their stuff/s

[dumahim]

How many of those did Nintendo develop, not publish?
Also, most of them don't seem to have been over 80 on Metacritic, which is part of the argument he's attempting to "shut down."

[dcj0524]

And? What's wrong with below 80? As long as it's not below 65 it seems fine. It every game will be great! (80) but they can be good (70-80).

[HeavenlySnipes]

Having a long list of below mediocre games isn't going to impress anyone. Its not just making loads of new smaller titles for your handhelds plus a few for your home consoles but having them actually be worth the money

Might be ignorance on my part but apart from The Last Story and Xenoblade, there hasn't been a really worth while new Nintendo experience on their consoles in years

[dumahim]

dcj0524

What do you mean, and? I made it pretty clear.

“Nintendo fans bother me because they are blind (or just don’t care) to the fact their company hasn’t developed a new IP with an 80+ metascore in the past 11 years."
"Frankly, it is quite easy to shut down the whole notion."

He isn't shutting anything down if they're not developed by Nintendo and don't have a metascore over 80.

[DryBoneKoopa85]

Good article Mii-Gamer!

I didn't see it mentioned but isn't Advance Wars for the GBA a new IP from Nintendo as well? Could be wrong but just wanted to throw that one out their if it was.

[BlackWolf]

Actually, it isn't. It's part of the Wars series, which started with Famincom Wars, back in 1988. Technically, it's a subseries, like Battalion Wars, but it started (obviously) on the GBA.

EDIT: Always glad to help!

[DryBoneKoopa85]

Good to know! Thanks for clearing that up for me Blackwolf. :)

[NextLevel]

Yes, Nintendo makes new IPs. What do you think Mario Party, Mario Kart, Mario Paint, Mario Baseball, Mario Tennis and Mario Golf are?

[randomass171]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Splato...

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Wonder...

:)

[masterfox]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=meh

[randomass171]

Don't you just love selective criticism? :P

[Chrischi1988]

You sound like you got a problem with Nintendo giving their flavour to many sports. Mario is Nintendos main mascot, it would be dumb to not use him in such games.

Wii Sports, the most sold game of last generation, was a new IP, but ignore these facts.

[macethedon]

Except Wii Sports was bundled with practically every Wii ever.

[paulcek]

@macethedon

Except why did so many people buy the wii? Because of wii sports.

[deafdani]

Actually, sarcasm aside... yes, those games you listed are, indeed, separate IPs. They just happen to be under the same universe.

Joke's on you, pal.

[ThePsychoGamer]

No, I believe the joke is on the delsuinal fanboy who is trying to pass spin offs as new IPs.

[lilbroRx]

Trolling at its finest.

Nintendo haters can't seem to sand the fact that Nintendo has the most popular company mascot in the world.

Though those are all, in fact, different franchises.

[MultiConsoleGamer]

The same people pushing this fanboy line are also ignoring the glut of annualized rehash games on their own favorite systems.

[IcicleTrepan]

The problem Nintendo currently has is very few IPs on the Wii U, and very few games from 3rd parties also on Wii U.

The problem is with Nintendo and the Wii U. They do have a lot of IPs on various other systems past and present, but NOT the Wii U.

I own all of the consoles and this statement is not biased in any way. The system is a year older than the other systems and the newer ones are catching up and surpassing Nintendo very quickly.

In my case, I have the other consoles, I have very few reasons to buy a multiplat game for Wii U. The only one I did buy for it was Rayman Legends because of the gamepad, but most multiplats will likely not even use it.

[GordonKnight]

i'm in the same boat as you with all three consoles. They do need new IPs, but they need to work on current ones first as they come out slowly. As for multiplats: why would Nintendo fans buy the worst version of a game when quality is so important to them?

I want a new Metroid and Starfox before new IPs.

[InTheLab]

For example? Because that stuff is also on Nintendo consoles.

[dumahim]

Other than sports games, I can think of Call of Duty and Assassin's Creed.
Not sure if Forza should be counted since Horizon is different from the main games and done by a different developer.

[KonsoruMasuta]

Yeah, I still see comments claiming Nintendo doesn't have any new IPs. It's like these people are living under a rock.

[macethedon]

Splatoon isn't exactly a console seller.

[NihonjinChick]

It doesn't matter if it's a console seller or not. That has nothing to do with the article.

Splatoon is a new IP, something people keep claiming Nintendo hasn't made in years. The article actually proves that wrong. Maybe you should take the time to actually read it, huh?

[Chrono]

They make some new IPs, but are they good?

[Alinea]

xenoblade chronicles was very good

[dumahim]

But not a new IP.

[Metallox]

Yes, they are.

[Chrischi1988]

Most times better than MS and Sonys. You guys always give me the same shit. Like "The Last of US", not saying it is a bad game, but you guys use the same 2 games from last generation over and over again and act like it were like 20 new games, but it were like 2-3.

Ignore fact like Wii Sports being a new IP and main reason for Wiis success, having sold over 80 million times. The Wii was sold with Wii Sports and not Wii Sports with the Wii.

You might not like them, but to act like they are not good just shows how biased or uninformed you are.

[lilbroRx]

90% of the time.

[ShadowWolf712]

The problem is that the Nintendo consumer won't support these new IPs they keep asking for when they come out, so sales numbers seem to indicate. It also doesn't help that many of these new IPs are pretty gimmicky and lack mass market appeal, or are really similar to existing IPs. Wonderful 101, for example, is constantly referred to as "Superhero Pikmin".

They need to find something big.

[AD705]

W101 was just a shitty game in general. Same with zombiu. Even when nintendo tries to make new games they usually turn out mediocre but in sonys and MS case with the PS and xbox brands they mostly end up good.

[Chrischi1988]

Non of these games you mentioned were first or second party exclusives.

They tried a lot of times and very often these games were very very good. But you probably never played them, or you wouldnt say something like this...

And to your post below to Alinea:

You cant be serious. You find the thing that makes these games and act like it is a bad thing. Mario games start with Peach getting kidnapped by Bowser (but not in 3D World).

That is like you complain, that you shot others in an FPS game. Were did CoD evovle after the original MW? How did AC evolve? Are you kidding me? 9 CoDs on PS3 and Xbox360 alone, but 1 Mario Kart game per console generation is milking and uncreative^^

Oh no, in all GTA you can steal cars, what a bad game for not evolving^^ You completely missed the point of Alineas post or just dont want to get it.

How biased can somebody really be?

[fatneal]

id love for you to name the MS and Sony first party new ips from last gen that are good and relevant and have people waiting for follow ups this gen...ill wait

[deafdani]

Dude, did you even play Wonderful 101? I suspect you haven't.

[KonsoruMasuta]

Splatoon seems to have a bigger following since it was done in house.

I find that first party software usually sells better than second party. Pokémon is the only second party game that has sold more than some of Nintendo's first party software.

[Metallox]

That's a shame, because TW101 is more than wonderful, and it's nothing like Pikmin.

[ShadowWolf712]

I'm not necessarily saying it is, I'm saying that's how people view it. Which really is a marketing and outreach issue.

[deafdani]

Superhero Pikmin? This shows you haven't played W101 at all. Besides the aerial point of view, the similarities end there. Gameplay-wise, both games are as similar as a rock and a tree.

[ShadowWolf712]

Again, I said it's called that. I didn't say it WAS that. Dude, don't be so defensive. I actually WANT Nintendo to get their act together again, I LIKE their games. Just not some of their decisions lately.

[AD705]

The only New IP they have in the future I'm somewhat interested in is project x and that might as well be a xenoblade chronicles sequel. If not that splatoon. Wonderful 101 came out and faded into obscurity a week later. Everything else it's been mario, pikmin, and more mario.

[Alinea]

well for those that think nintendo makes rehashes all the time let me tell you something, you dont see multiple mario karts on a single console

you dont see multiple 3D adventure mario games on a single consoles(with the exception of the wii with super mario galaxy 2, bit that was QUITE an improvement)

for the most part each new installment nintendo makes for their consoles, they usually try to make a new game while using the same title and they do so often with mario,

another thing is that you still had less zelda games than cod made all together, and you will also notice the evolution of how much zelda has grown and changed since the nes, you now have developers claiming that in the newest zelda, you will be able to climb mountains!

Nintendo's games are master pieces and hold a lot of value, this even includes the classics to this day, and even if they do end up making games with the same style, they also refine the game and give it significant improvements and yet still manage to satisfy their fanbase.

[AD705]

Every sequel and continuation to a game series improves in some ways. But when you get down to it the games are relatively the same. They use the same gameplay but throw a few new items for you to play with to make it seem like it's completely new.

Mario" bowser kidnaps peach, you go out and save her for the 100000000th time. Either platforming jumping for A to B without dying or you collect stars and get enough to open up bowsers door and kick his ass. The only difference from galaxy 2 and galaxy 1 was that 2 has yoshi and that was it.

zelda: ganon somehow manages to escape from his eternal prison, he runs around hyrule conquoring as he goes. the whatever reiteration of link rises up. Goes through a few dungeons to get access to the master sword and other goddess like powers so he can kick ganons ass again. The story line of zelda isn't progressing it just feels like they're telling the same story over and over again.

Not to mention these franchises are getting shorter and easier. Another thing to point out is that Ninty isn't pulling out the new IPs like they use to.

Just look at the NES, SNES, N64, and gamecube. They had all kinds of new IP's. The wii and wiiu don't have nearly as many as those consoles did. Then compare to the competition

playstation from PS1-PS4 has always done new games and make new IP's

xbox- xbox one new ips all around

nintendo wii to the wii: the same games and sequels with once in a while something new.

Sure the ps4 and xbox one will have sequels and rehashes to their old games as well but not like nintendo whose main focus seems to be that.

[Alinea]

so in super mario 64, do you run around with a water tank in your back cleaning areas like in sunshine? in super mario 3d world do you have to go around and look for puzzles like in super mario 64? in sunshine and 64, can you play with 4 people all together? in super mario 64, can you use fireballs? in super mario 64, can you ride yoshis like in 3d world? in 3d mario world, is there open world in 3d world like in super mario 64? do you race against other creatures in sunshine and 3d world like you do in mario 64? in super mario sunshine and 3d world can mario wear a hat of his fellow brothers and gain their physical abilities?

if no, then the only thing that youre saying that its a rehash for mario games is the part about princess peach WHICH HAS NO EFFECT TO GAMEPLAY AND NO ONE CARES ABOUT.

I can go on about zelda as well but thats about as far as I go. I got other things to do.

I can also go on for the new ips as well like splatoon and xenoblade chronicles x which has its story nowhere related to the original xenoblade chronicles, wonderful 101 and bayonetta also count as well. you can even say devils third

[fonger08]

You're talking about story... not gameplay, where most of the Zelda, Mario, name your Nintendo IP vary from game to game. You have to remember Nintendo has the most IPs to use too, they have been around longer than the Playstation... So it's only practical that they dip into their back catalogue to use IPs in different genres or gameplay methods.

[_LarZen_]

I find better games on the App Store.

[KonsoruMasuta]

Yeah, I know. Cheap games, low budget games filled to the brim with micro transactions are more fun than anything you would find on a console.

Who needs Nintendo's first party offering when you can play action packed and thrilling games like Flappy Bird and Candy Crush Saga?

*Sarcasm off*

App store games aren't for real gamers.

[fonger08]

And I have seen more informative comments from 10yrs olds... who shockingly, play nothing but App Store games!

If you're going to tell me you find iphone/android games with more depth or better gameplay mechanics than say a W101 or SM3DW, then I am simply at loss for words.

[_LarZen_]

I see you took the bait. Ofc I am not serious. Tho I found it funny that the App store aren't for "real" gamers.

Games is games. There is no "real" game or anyone dictating what is or what people are "real" gamers. That's just silly.

[deafdani]

Nope, you don't. Nice try.

[Wni0]

So mario was only a n64 thing right, all 167 mario spinoffs

[NihonjinChick]

How does that relate to the article?

Point of the article: People keep saying Nintendo doesn't make new IPs when they actually do. Then it goes on to list all the IPs Nintendo has created in each console's lifetime.

Yes, there are Mario spinoffs, but that has no relation to the topic at hand.

[InsaneChronos]

It will stop only when Nintendo will stop milking Mario.

[fatneal]

how is nintendo milking mario? for the most part theres 1-2 games each gen. games like mario party, kart, strikers, sluggers, paper, tennis are not mario games. mario games consist of platforming, levels, and powerups if those arent in it then its not a mario game.

i think the issue is gaming culture. ragging on nintendo is just the cool and accepted thing to do these days. kinda like the 'twerking' trend. its tasteless but based around fun and is accepted by most.

[InsaneChronos]

> games like MARIO party...are not MARIO games

No comment.

[iliimaster]

idk about this guy but i cant wait for splatoon or that toads adventure game ! they look like so much fun

[jcnba28]

Excellent article, well said. Trolls take note.

[system22]

people seem to think that a high number of things makes things better. Nintendo doesn't need to make more amounts ofIP, they need to make new, successful, mass appeal IP... things like Mario, DK, etc... but not Mario, DK, etc... because they're in pretty much most of Nintendos titles. They need strong 3rd party support and for those 3rd parties to bring their successful IP to the consoles. Some of the best games on PS4 and Xbox haven't come from MS and Sony, but MS and Sony can certainly contribute to those successful libraries. I know there are tons of other things that Nintendo has done, but they haven't exactly been wild successes like the afore mentioned properties.

[jcnba28]

I agree and which is why I think Nintendo is starting embrace the notion of allowing third party developers create games using Nintendo's franchises like Team Ninja, Next Level Games and now Valhalla Games.

Having said that Nintendo don't need that much third party support like Microsoft and Sony do due to the fact that a lot of people buy Nintendo systems to play Nintendo systems. This has been the case since the N64 and will probably never change.

[feraldrgn]

They do make new IP's, & some damn good ones, but I think the problem some people have with them is that it ends up being a character from an already established IP.
Donkey Kong, Mario, Peach, Bowser, Yoshi, Luigi, Toad, are all characters from the same games who got their own games in the end.
The Legend of Zelda, Kirby & Starfox are the only IP's where I think the other characters haven't been inserted into their own game.

It's more about creating an absolutely new character for a new IP, that's why Splatoon is the right direction.

[system22]

what nintendo needs is strong 3rd party support. if you go back in the day, the NES destroyed Sega for the very simple fact that they had tons of 3rd party support and exclusivity deals with those 3rd party developers. This left Sega to make up the difference by producing their own IP to compete... and it didn't. Eventually Nintendo got in to some hot water about their licensing tactics and the dominance it was creating, but it proves the point that 3rd party studios support are key.

Don't get me wrong, I love the whole Nintendo Universe, but you can only stuff Mario, Link and Donkey Kong into so many things before people wonder what else is out there. I am fully aware that Nintendo has in fact created a lot of new IP but its not the amount, its how successful those franchises build out. In Nintendos case, a lot of these properties are small or niche.

[DeusEx-Machina]

Xenoblade X is going to be so f§$%ing awesome...

The original already was my favourite game of the entire last generation. That's a pretty impressive achievement, considering I wasn't a big fan of the original Wii to begin with.

[bacrec1]

People who say that do not own a 3DS.

[Mr_Writer85]

Nintendo fanboys are ones to talk about BS.

They would have you believe only they make fun games and all Sony and MS make are grey FPS.

If your gonna call out fanboys call them all out.