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WiiU and Why the Power Game Should Have Mattered to Nintendo

Nintendo has struggled with third party developers for many years. Unfortunately what the Big N doesn’t realize that in order to obtain third party support, they need to create a comfortable environment for developers to work with. This includes hardware as much as it includes developers relations. The most recent successful development environment seems to have been achieved by Sony with the PS4.

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_QQ_3949d ago (Edited 3949d ago )

If games were much stronger on pc last gen, porting games to a weaker system(obviously downgraded), shouldn't be a problem,considering how close consoles are to pc architecture now,Most third party games will have a lowishmid setting available for the PC version which would be equal to a wiiu version,while the highish mid setting equal to the ps4/Xone versions. The problem isn't the specs.

Devs don't want to bring games to wiiu because they think it won't sell well on wiiu because a low install base and they know they would be competeing with mario,zelda,smash, DK,and other nintendo ip's for sales.

sephx223947d ago

I see most of the 3rd party developers use realistic graphics as a hook to draw consumers to their product (and it works). Since nintendo doesn't care about console specs 3rd party developers don't have this lure to use when making a game for nintendo consoles. And on top of that they have to compete with nintendo IPs. yeah the sales wouldn't be to good. The Wii U isn't made to compliment 3rd party developers way of makings games.

Parapraxis3947d ago

"And on top of that they have to compete with nintendo IPs."
At the moment, there aren't even Nintendo IPs to compete with.
It's pretty simple why 3rd parties aren't interested in spending money on porting to WiiU, the install base is too small, and they are more focused on Xbox One/PS4 development.

It's just, at the moment, not financially wise to develop for WiiU.

_QQ_3947d ago

If the Money was there, Porting downscaled "nextgen"games to the wiiu wouldn't be a problem,especially considering how all consoles share a very PC architecture.But the money simply isn't there, not yet.

Dunban673947d ago

I sure wish Nintendo had told us that the Wii u would not be complimentary to 3rd party games before launch- In fact, they said just the opposite- they made a big sales push that they would make the effort and be successful n attracting many 3rd party games and greatly improve on their 3rd part track record-

The reality is, they needed 3rd party games more than ever to launch the wii U because they had almost no games for launch of their own- Despite their great need for 3rd party software they did a miserable job of attracting it and defending the console-

IMO if Nintendo is not willing to do what t takes to attract and keep quality 3rd party software as badly as they needed it over the last 8 months, then I can t imagine what it would take for them to do so in the future-

For those who say the Wii u is not conducive to 3rd party software you are correct- but "please understand" many of us that are making issue of it are doing so based on what Nintendo promised/committed to before and during the Wii u launch-

iamnsuperman3947d ago

"Devs don't want to bring games to wiiu because they think it won't sell well on wiiu because a low install base"

That is the reason. It isn't worth the cost of the port in third party developer's eyes.

starfox793947d ago

All this immature power talk,look Iwata's words wiiu is powerful and very much nextgen.

WiiU went with a dx11 gpgpu and a low system RAM but huge chip eDRAM ie cpu/gpu,the smaller system RAM is purposely done,like Sony said if we went with edram we could hit 1TB of bandwidth RAM which would make it more powerful but less accessible ??? wiiu has gone with that exact design..?? work it out...

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Theyellowflash303947d ago

Power has nothing to do with the Wii U issues right now with 3rd parties. A lot of current gen games that could easily come to Wii U are not.

LOL_WUT3947d ago

Oh no but it is that's why no games developed with the Frostbite 3 engine aren't coming to the Wii U.

Theyellowflash303947d ago

LOL WUT - Frostbite runs on the PS3 and Xbox 360. And EA even said Frostbite 3 could be on Wii U if they wanted to.

EA just doesn't want to port Frostbite 3 to the Wii U.

Murad3947d ago

@YellowFlash
Personally, I think it's because Nintendo isn't paying EA enough for them to port it over or something, or that the tablet for the Wii U must be hard to program simultaneously, or something along those lines.

CouldHaveYelledUiiW3947d ago (Edited 3947d ago )

@Murad "Helpful" Bubble-up vote.

---I agree with your 1st statement-
Nintendo does not pay 3rd Parties- and that is a trend lately.

---The 2ND statement I disagree with because "Vigil Games", former developers of Darksiders 1&2, said that it only took 1 line of code to get the tablet working.

I am sure he was not talking about deep Tablet specific functions but at least the off (TV) screen play.

No one is demanding that 3rd Parties have to do something revolutionary with the WiiU Gamepad.

deadeyes3947d ago (Edited 3947d ago )

Frostbite could work on Wii U if EA wanted it too...

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AzureskyZ3947d ago

I wouldnt say thats entirely correct-- 3rd party could invest to make games for wii u but with ps4 and xbox far ahead, would it be prudent to continue to invest in legacy tech? Ubisoft and activision both invested into wii u and didnt get a return on their investment-- its a shame really cause the wii u certainly have potential, i wonder if they put too much funds into a tablet controller rather than upping their specs alittle. But its nintendos way of doing business, but it might not be favorable to them this gen.

starfox793947d ago

It's a little strange how EA ect will support 2 consoles fully with zero sales yet the wiiu has 4 million headstart and gets no support makes no sense and just says Peter Moore is a Nintendo hater period....

AzureskyZ3947d ago

@starfox79 its not they didnt support it out of the gate-- mass effect did come out for launch --- supposedly their was some major disagreement between EA and nintendo-- i guess we will never know. As far as Ps4 and xbox one-- they have a strong community for their games --- it make sense for them to pursue-- games like bf and madden will sell on the consoles much better than wii. That doesnt mean they shouldnt make game for wii u, but finding the right kind of games and market is gonna be tricky-- I think it might be up to fans to vocal their opinion on what titles they want from each vender-- Give them a little push-- cause 3rd party sales has been abysmal.

Parapraxis3947d ago (Edited 3947d ago )

They are having more than just 3rd party issues.
Nintendo was totally un-prepared for the development time demands of going HD and don't even have their OWN software sorted out.

Their management is being pig-headed, and there is poor advertising and a lot of brand confusion.

There are other factors as well such as much more powerful consoles releasing and the price being too high for the tech it contains.

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PigPen3947d ago

What I find amusing is must developers aren't cash strapped for the next generation. The PS3/Xbox360 are still getting games that should of moved over to the next gen consoles. EA is laying off left and right, but is supporting the next gen. To make it in todays economy, developers will have to go multi platform. Developers want to be supportive of the new consoles, but next gen AAA games will slow after the novelty is done warn down. Aside from first party games, most games will look the same across platforms. So instead of developers taken full advantage of the PS4 hardware, it'll keep pace with the Xbox One and maybe even the Wii U. The Xbox360/PS3 is still the sweet spot with developers that is budgeting with its massive install base. When I look at it like that, the Wii U will be fine.

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How Many More Victims, Like Garry's Mod, Will Nintendo's Hurtful Crusade Create?

Hanzala from eXputer: "As Nintendo takes out 20 years' worth of stuff from Garry's Mod, I watch in shock, thinking why it continues to hurt and discourage its fans."

RiseNShine2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

The irony that some of the most disgusting business practices come from companies like Disney or Nintendo, i can't even begin to understand what terrible damage was Garrys Mod making to Nintendo bottom line, imho they're getting pretty nervous about where they're heading in the future, handhelds are no longer something exclusive to Nintendo, from Steam Deck to many others, now you can play the latest games and pay a fraction of the price on Steam sales, so it's up to their exclusives, which just on their own would make hard to justify purchasing a closed overpriced hardware with outrageous price policies (Super Mario Odyssey is still 60 euro 6 years later!), and as a home console they're always underperforming compared to Sony or Xbox.

gold_drake2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

i cam guarantee you, that their exclusives alone is what drives switch sales. they sell in the 10s of millions of copies.

nintendo created their franchises to be sort of nostalgia driven, exclusive only on nintendo.

people will always buy the pkmn games as they always bring in new younger fans amd is family friendly

mario kart, the same thing, mario games in general.

zelda games are system sellers. animal crossing for the casual gamers.

nintendo doesnt need third vame devs essentially. they made sure with the switch and the limitations that they looked more to pc ps and xbox.

its sad, but nintendo is more than fine with what they're doing. they positioned themselves to appeal to the more casual gamers.

but to your point, im not sure why they're doing this rly.

Inverno2d ago

Look at how they handled Nintendo games being streamed or uploaded on YouTube in the past. They killed Yuzu and Citra even when they had nothing to do with ToTK being leaked, not to mention it was basically unplayable on emulation the week it was leaked. Smash Bros tournament, that was fairly recent. They shut down their online services without any care for purchases made. I bought a switch after skipping their last 2 consoles and handhelds but I don't plan on buying anything Nintendo in the future. They take things to the extremes, they legitimately hate their fans. They're honestly right up there with the likes of Acti, EA, and Ubi, only difference is that they disguise themselves as being family friendly all the while being shady.

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Sony Patents To Prevent You From In-Game Harassment By Reading Your Emotions

A new patent recently published by Sony wants to gather biometric data of gamers to track whether one is being harassed using AI tools.

Profchaos11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

I hope this is one of those patents that never comes to fruition.

I already dislike the fact you can pay a significant amount for a online service buy associated games and content on said service and get banned from that service over potentially a misunderstanding the bans are already handed out for flimsy reasons

I'd rather see money invested in a ban that simply removes the offensive players ability to communicate with unknown players allow them to continue party chats with friends but not with Joe blow on cod.

exputers11d ago

Agreed. Blizzard recently banned a college Overwatch 2 player who's dependent for saying "shit." Pretty harsh.

Profchaos10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

How rediculas really. You can't say a word that's allowed in most PG films and prime time TV but the game is based around killing the enemy team using guns, explosives etc.

It's just backwards.

just_looken10d ago

What your talking about is called block list

In 2006 a spaceship dropped of the playstation 3/xbox 360 i say that that generation was the last great gen with game functions/tech that has yet to comeback

Anyhow the playstation 3 if you block listed a id they could not talk to you in chatroom with either text or voice. But that was pre mind fucked 2018 when people were more human than sheep.

But hey gta 6 is coming out billion dollar budget without a single player custom character creator and without singeplayer coop off/online something saints row 1-3 had on the xbox 360.

z2g11d ago

Take my social security and bank account numbers too! Here’s a picture of my wife and our address.

phoenixwing11d ago

Cmon where's the pictures of your children. Don't hold out on them.

H911d ago

At this rate I feel Sony will eventually sell a room to play games in it where they can monitor your every breath

jambola11d ago

I genuinely get a bit worried sometimes when a friend says something that could be offensive In a party
Because I have no trouble believing some bans would happen when in a private party for saying something wrong

SegaSaturn66911d ago

I want them to censor erotic content by measuring my groin temperature so i dont get too distracted while playing black ops 2.

Popsicle11d ago

Terrible idea. Not only do I not consent to providing my biometric data, the potential for mishandling biometric data is almost a certainty. Positive stress and negative stress can produce similar changes in biometrics. Interpreting the precise emotion a person is feeling is not only invasive but could be easily misconstrued. I hope this never comes to fruition.

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Sony Could Increase Your Game's Difficulty If It Sees You Complain About It

Sony has recently published a new patent that wants to dynamically handle the games' difficulty and gameplay based on the player's emotions.

jznrpg11d ago

This is something I might use. Sometimes I play some good games but they don’t have difficulty option and are a little too easy.

Profchaos11d ago

Souls games will be like that players struggling make it harder

PassNextquestion11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

I think if used correctly it could work well

jambola11d ago

cool idea
cool idea for horror games especially
the way it's explained here sounds like it could never be forced hopefully, so that's ok with me

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