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A "Fanboy" Reaction to Microsoft's DRM Retraction

Casey White wrote: "The more I think about it the more upset I become that the old generation of gamers are hindering progress just because they don’t understand that a company has rights, just as they have rights as consumer.

Two major features, which were ones that I had personal interest in (one of which was the reason I put down my deposit for an Xbox One as soon as the conference ended), have now been removed from the future release of the console"

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Boody-Bandit3981d ago (Edited 3981d ago )

MS dropped DRM because it's not what MOST consumers wanted. It doesn't matter how anyone tries to spin MS dropping this policy. It would've ultimately hurt the industry if they were successful with it. It's obvious, by how fast they rescinded, they were getting trounced by it's implementation. Proving most consumers weren't going to put up with it.

I say congratulations to those that were sticking to your guns and voting with your wallets.

Grave3981d ago

I agree. It's like they thought they had the power to do what they wanted using the guise of "it's the future". Our future contains more consumer rights thanks to this reversal. Let'em get a foot in the door and the next thing you'll have is a credit card prompt to play the next level of the game you don't own.

SilentNegotiator3981d ago

"Bu- but 10 people to a single game would have saved the industry from the horrors of used games!"

nypifisel3981d ago

Haha yeah that honestly made no fking sense!

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Ray1863981d ago

You don't get it do you. They didn't do gamers any favors or change because of some older gamer outrage. They changed because the pre-orders started coming in and realized that other people are going to have their jobs next year. Sure they have all the rights in the world to do whatever they want with their products.

I also have the right to spend my money any way that I see fit. MS learned a very valuable lesson today. The real question is will they be able to change consumer perceptions about their product.

TheNightNinja3981d ago

The pre-order numbers were referenced in the article. Thanks for reading!

This is just my personal opinion, it's fine if you don't disagree but this mentality of "your opinion is wrong" it a little ridiculous. An opinion can't be wrong, it's a personal statement.

Heisenburger3981d ago

Typically I would agree with the "opinions can't be wrong" statement(for obvious reasons).

Though at some point there has to be a line.

There were(are?) people that were(are?) pro-Hitler, pro-Nazi, ect.

Lol I am NOT in the slightest comparing anything here to concentration camps, nor am I attempting to make light of the subject.

Though my point is, at some point an opinion CAN be wrong(incorrect).

Salooh3981d ago (Edited 3981d ago )

( Stealing is right and that's my opinion )
In your logic i'm not wrong and it's my personal statement.

( I like apples more then orange )
That's called opinion and i can't argue with that

( Xbox live in X1 is better then PS+ on ps4 )
That's also some kind of opinion but in reality ps+ gives you more value then Live so your opinion is wrong.

Note : Didn't read the article but your comment here is wrong , no offense , just to make the difference between an opinion and what's wrong or right. So :

Opinion from facts = can't argue with it
Opinion while ignoring the facts = wrooong
Facts= facts

HammadTheBeast3981d ago

Exactly. People are giving them way too much credit for being snapped.

NextGen24Gamer3981d ago (Edited 3981d ago )

I agree with everything he said in the article/rant. I'm very upset with Microsoft changing their policies and caving in to the gamers not ready for the next gen. Dare I say it. The Xbox one is just the Xbox 360 now with better graphics.

Sad day for the advancement of gaming. Thanks Sony for keeping the gaming industry as is and now we have to wait another 7 years for the digital advancments that could have been here in November.

I just hope they give Xbox one owners an option when they register their console to go always online. 2/3 of Xbox one owners will most likely choose that option and we can family share....

rextraordinaire3981d ago

You know what? That family sharing thing would be pretty much possible even without the required 24h check-in. Microsoft just removed you a feature, but only because they wanted to. Not because the technology wouldn't allow it without being always online.

rainslacker3981d ago

The old adage, "You can't please everybody" comes to mind. If you were truly looking forward to those features, then I empathize with your situation.

However, what you wanted was obviously not what a majority wanted.

Your last sentence says it all. The customer should have the choice. If MS had approached this issue with choice at the center, the outcome would have been entirely different.

I do hope that MS can find a way to make things like you want a reality. It would go a long way in ushering in this vision that MS had in the long term. I even find some of those features a good step towards a digital future. But for the time being, the ways MS was trying to implement were just a bad value proposition on the part of the consumer.

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Bigpappy3981d ago

You said: "However, what you wanted was obviously not what a majority wanted."

You know this based on pre-orders or N4G. The majority, I am afraid, kept silent as they usually do. Its the nosiest that got what they wanted. That's a shame too. Gullible masses can be very dangerous.

rainslacker3981d ago

No Bigpappy. If the majority want something, then they have their own "vocal minority" that would come to have their say.

There wasn't a lot of that in this issue. On this site alone, I can name maybe 5-6 people who would routinely speak up for the side of MS. Most of them came across as trolls, because they only spoke in absolutes. Didn't offer constructive debate, and weren't taken seriously because of it. Most of their arguments were, "It doesn't effect me". It wasn't until this game sharing thing was revealed that they actually had a reason to have seemingly legitimate support for these policies.

If you look at other issues not quite as polarizing on this site, the comments have plenty of vocal opposition because the opinions vary greatly. This time though, it was a lot of gamers coming together to voice their concerns or outright hate for these policies.

But keep telling yourself that you are part of the majority, just know that all evidence points to you being in a very unvocal minority.

NihonjinChick3981d ago

If you want to go digital, then go digital. Nothing is stopping you from buying all your games digitally. People shouldn't have to be forced to make that change, it should stay optional.

psyxon3981d ago

so microsoft should cave into the thousand people who are ready for the supposed "next gen" features in x1? ignoring the majority who simply don't want the crap they were imposing? yeah, okay.

SpideySpeakz3981d ago

MS already stated the Family Sharing plan won't even be available at launch, with or without DRM.

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rainslacker3981d ago

A company does have rights. But a company only survives at the whim of it's customers. Those customers spoke to what they want, and the company made their decisions accordingly.

It isn't the current gen gamer who's holding anything back. It's the current gen gamer simply saying what it is they want, and what they are willing to spend their money on.

If that doesn't line up with what the author wants from the console, then he can start his own campaign to see if MS will reverse their decision again. It's how the game works.

Software_Lover3981d ago

......... I had a long response, but at this point in time, it's not worth it lol. To each his own.

Game on people, game on.

HammadTheBeast3981d ago (Edited 3981d ago )

I swear this happens to every long comment you have lol.

Edit: Oh ok. Nevermind lol.

Software_Lover3981d ago

Just 2 that I can think of.

ltachiUchiha3981d ago

Hell to the yes mate, this is awesome news & is only healthy & good for the gaming industry. It feels like christmas for me. Game on mate.

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Microsoft's Absurd Antics Have Me Scared For Dishonored And Arkane Lyon's Future

With Arkane Austin no more and Lyon living for who knows how long, the superb Dishonored is in serious danger; Microsoft cannot be trusted.

Relientk7711h ago

I love the Dishonored series so much and really want Dishonored 3. Microsoft better not screw this up.

JEECE8h ago

I mean, I think the fans will probably kill Arkane Lyon by cooking up reasons to hate whatever they do next without playing it. I've never seen a game so artificially disliked as Deathloop.

thesoftware7308h ago

Lol, why don't we just say, we are worried about all studios owned by MS now. They will keep closing studios until they have none left ...🙄

Skuletor5h ago

Just merge them all into a single studio, have it churn out a single Call of Duty every year and call it a day, lol.

Barlos5h ago

Don't be scared, you'll be fine.

Skuletor4h ago

It's exputer, fine is one word I would not associate with them.

Profchaos4h ago

I think it's becoming clear based on matt bootys comments there's no future for any IP that can't sell above 10 million within the launch window. But is also a small game that gives them prestige

/S it's beyond a joke right now

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More Job Losses At Xbox, “There’s More To Come”: Paul Thurrott

Paul Thurrott in a recent episode commented on the on-going Microsoft fiasco hinting at more job losses and that "there's more to come".

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Sonic18812d ago (Edited 2d ago )

There won't be no more acquiring game publishers from Microsoft in the future . Xbox has to pay Microsoft back. It might take two decades to do that.

sagapo2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I don’t understand what you’re saying. Xbox IS microsoft so there’s no “paying back “.
And MS gross profit in 2023 was over 140 billion dollars so forget your 2 decades.

Unless you mean the money MS invested in Xbox (acquisitions included) and the time it will take for xbox as a brand to gain that money back on it’s own, then yeah, that could take a while.

romulus232d ago

The better term to use might be return on investment, xbox is simply a division of Microsoft one that MS can easily do away with if profit margins are not met. So in that regard he's right, if xbox isn't showing the expected return on investment the higher ups are expecting than it's unlikely Microsoft will acquire any other studios any time soon, especially if they are spending billions buying developers just to shut them down in the end.

MrBaskerville1d 19h ago (Edited 1d 19h ago )

Xbox is a division that they discussed shutting down but doubled down on after Gamepass was pitched.

It needs to make money at some point. Big money.

KwietStorm_BLM1d 18h ago

So you do understand it or..?

rokos1d 17h ago

According to Statista the net income of Microsoft is about $72.4 billion dollars which is a bit lower than last year profit. That is almost as much as Activision's acquisition but I assume that would be a one off since it costs so much plus I see how their focus has been shifted to AI, thus any major future investments will probably be in that area.

Markusb331d 16h ago

i think you are really missing the point

VariantAEC1d 6h ago

@romulus23
That is not why MS buys studios. They might continue to buy because it's about taking that sweet sweet IP out of the corporate husks of their acquisitions.

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SonyStyled2d ago

“There won't be no more acquiring game publishers from Microsoft in the future”

No bro, there do be is for Microsoft not acquiring for what is now if not what it be is 😂

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ChasterMies1d 20h ago

Xbox isn’t a separate company from Microsoft. It’s all Microsoft.

Abear211d 14h ago (Edited 1d 14h ago )

Let’s be real, this is the media spinning all the acquisitions and liquidations of said developers and spinning it to make M$ the villain.

This was bound to happen, a bigger slice of pie and cut costs, when the games come they stand to make more and that’s their agenda—it was the writing on the wall when the sales went through and legally all those who approved the sale and mergers knew this would happen.

Snowflakes need to realize business is ugly and you can cry all you want but this is how capitalism works. And it works.

That said, M$ needs to steer the narrative and grab hold of all this, make their plans known, hype the hell out of all those dead IP’s they plan to revive, and be honest about the timeline. This is likely to involve mobile and IP on other consoles, and most people realize that.

The problem is this company is incapable of being transparent and seems to often want to dissuade and confuse is customer base. The lack of E3 has hurt Microsoft and I don’t think they know how to properly or effectively market their brand anymore.

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jwillj2k42d ago

There really needs to be a class action lawsuit here. You buy these companies just to put people out of jobs. And it’s not like something happened to derail their plans this WAS the plan. Microsoft has no business in this space at all.

franwex2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Microsoft has been doing this for years. They simply want the IPs. Look at Nokia. Look at Skype. This time it simply expanded to games. Gaming is not as important to Microsoft’s executives as it was to the founders too. Bill Gates was willing to sell the og Xbox at a loss. Steve Balmer approved the red ring of death fiasco. This CEO isn’t really a gamer.

-Foxtrot2d ago

Maybe it's time though to put a stop to it and use a big giant like Microsoft as a huge example to the rest of these big companies.

There has to be a line drawn somewhere.

People like the FTC and the like went against Microsoft yet their Actvision deal was still allowed to go through yet look what's happened...it's not even Acitivisions studios aswell, it's Bethesdas.

VariantAEC1d 6h ago

Years?

Try several decades, and in the gaming space 2.3 decades.

Jon615861d 15h ago

You do realize this happens in ALL industries? Or are you just saying this because it is Microsoft? In any case I feel for those that are being let go but the trch industry is suffering right now.

jwillj2k41d 11h ago (Edited 1d 10h ago )

This absolutely does NOT happen all the time. Let me know the last time 1 company with a terrible product track record spent 100 billion onto acquire MULTIPLE successful companies in under a year only to shut them down and stop making their products regardless of how successful they were. Not merge them, completely shut them down.

And you can’t use Microsoft in your example.

Notellin1d 11h ago (Edited 1d 11h ago )

Class action lawsuit? The law is on their side and protects them at all costs. There are no rules to protect the people at the bottom.

jwillj2k41d 11h ago

Not true when it comes to mass layoff do your research.

RNTody2d ago

Ninja Theory, Perfect Dark, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, Wolfenstein 3, Dishonored, Prey, Doom, Quake... something tells me that bad things are going to happen to these entities under Microsoft.

MrDead2d ago

ID software, the makers of Doom and Wolfenstein that have been with us since 1991 could be gone and MS will keep the IPs.

I hope some of these studios can buy their freedom from MS otherwise this is going to be even more devastating for the industry and gamers.

Yui_Suzumiya1d 22h ago (Edited 1d 22h ago )

That's exactly what I'm worried about. I've been a fan of id since Wolfenstein 3D and I'm honestly afraid.

lodossrage1d 18h ago

Toys for Bob saw the writing on the wall and bought themselves out.

Wouldn't be the first time a company did that under MS either. Bungie and Twisted Pixel did the same. Considering what just happened, I can see some other devs trying to buy themselves out too.

anast2d ago

Good thing the bosses of all those small studios made their money.

glenn19792d ago

they cant do it right now they will get burned

XiNatsuDragnel2d ago

Phil and his team need to be gone

lodossrage1d 18h ago (Edited 1d 18h ago )

Won't make a difference.

The whole structure needs to be overhauled. Anyone that replaces Phil will be no different than him, Mattrick, or anyone else.

Until the company changes how they go about business, nothing will change

glenn19791d 15h ago

I just don't have any idea what they would do , they have done sooo much damage on their xbox brand, they have a show at July or June I think, but will it even matter even they show amazing games, idkn

lodossrage1d 18h ago

True,

But they may as well get it over with. Whether it happens now or later, the burning is going to hit the same.

Reality is the ONE move that can alleviate a lot of this is the one move they can't make. Remove day 1 from gamepass.

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Microsoft Opening Xbox Mobile Game Store in July

The Xbox brand is expanding, as an Xbox mobile game store is opening this coming July where Microsoft will brings its "first-party portfolio."

Jin_Sakai4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

“Bond adds that they will start on the web”

This will go nowhere.

Nice knowing you Xbox. This is what happens when the house never gets cleaned.

MrDead4d ago

The only this MS is expanding is the amount of feculence it sprays on everyone who just want to enjoy gaming and make games.

The best thing MS can do for the gaming industry is leave and never return.

XiNatsuDragnel3d ago

Good luck with this even it might not succeed.

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