At Least One Gamer Is Pissed At Sony For A Small, But Misleading Vita Description

Kotaku - Earlier this year, Kotaku reader Lewis bought a PlayStation Vita. He bought two 32 GB memory cards: one for games and applications, and the other for music.

"I figured I could use it as an mp3 player as well as a gaming console," Lewis told us. "Unfortunately, that is not the case."

As Lewis soon discovered, the product description on the Vita's 32 GB memory card isn't entirely accurate.

[iGAM3R-VIII]

It depend how big of a file size his songs are, Sony may of based it on the average size for a song or for a small size,nothing wrong that Sony did.

[GraveLord]

Yeah you're probably right.

[ShinMaster]

"Unfortunately, that is not the case."

Umm yes, you can still use it as an MP3 player. You may not be able to store more than 4000 at a time, but it still works.

[Mounce]

It's song Amount being argued here and not size limitation of the memory stick.

So it's either coincidentally he was only able to fit 4000 and that took ALL 32GB. Orrrr, there's a limitation in file-amount.

I mean, by all means....It's bad if the max is advertised that SIZE-WISE it can fit an Average of This Many Songs, but there be a Cap on quantity. At the same time that remaining bad I come to ask...

WHO THE FUCK HAS 4000 SONGS TO LISTEN TO?! JESUS! I bet he can't name 100 of them off the top of his head! lol.

[Deputydon]

I have a 64 GB SD Card in my Galaxy Note 2 and I most definitely listen to every band in my library of music. Yeah, maybe not all in one road trip or listening session, but its a lot easier to have 8000+ songs on one device than to have to keep deleting and transferring music when you feel like listening to it.

Also, just for reference at how ridiculous the comment is that "he can't name 100 songs." One of my favorite rappers of all time is Aesop Rock (the white guy) and right now on just my phone I have 189 songs from just him. And yes, I listen to them all very often.

One of my favorite bands is also Thrice, right now, on my phone, I have 149 Thrice songs.

If you can't name 100 songs you like, then you probably aren't listening to music worth hearing.

[MuleKick]

Anyone with an Android phone that's not using Google Music is wasting tons of memory card space. The file itself may be 25-30mb.

[snipes101]

Why does everyone care that the kid wants to use it as an MP3 player? It's his Vita, he'll use it how he wants to.

Second, why is everyone giving him crap for having so many songs? I have 10,000 on my 250 gig iPod and no, I don't listen to all of them at once. But, I want to have it all at my disposal so I can listen to what I want, when I want, without having to constantly swap songs on and off my device.

Thirdly, why is everyone giving the kid crap? The box says the card can hold 9,000 songs, and it is capping the limit off at less than half that. Does no one see a problem with this? It's false advertising, or shady advertising at best. The fact that customer service gave him the runaround like that and actually told him to go buy more stuff from them is just the icing on the screw-you cake.

[Mounce]

@Deputydon.

Just because you can name an amount of songs you have.....doesn't mean you can see to name all the names of the songs you like. '149 Thrice songs' Well good for you! . . . .

Do you want a cookie? I spoke of asking if anyone can NAME 100 SONGS, all you do is push the same question back out to me and others without doing it yourself? What the fuck? rofl.

So you have 189 songs of another guy! . . Man, you can name a Band, but you can't name 100 songs off by heart is what I was betting to others. But good job Half-answering a question bro.

[Viper7]

//Anyone with an Android phone that's not using Google Music is wasting tons of memory card space.
The file itself may be 25-30mb.//

When I go to the Google Music service I get message.

"The Google Play music player is currently available in select territories."

Besides I prefer youtube, they have far more content there and plenty of songs that even spotify doesn't have.

[MarkusMcNugen]

@MuleKick

Not all of us live in 4g coverage areas my man. 3G sometimes just doesnt cut it with streaming. Especially if its a 320kbps mp3.

@Mounce
I guarantee you I could name over a hundred songs in my library. Its quite easy to do when you have 8000+ songs with most being the music you love the most.

But why would I sit here and type up 100 song names off the top of my head? No one would believe me anyways... its the internet lol.

[Wh15ky]

@ Mounce

4000 songs is only somewhere between 300 and 400 albums. I would say alot of people have alot more than that, I know I do.

And

Who on earth is going to waste their time listing 100 songs for you to then accuse them of copying and pasting a list of songs? And why do you think it would be a difficult task? 100 songs is less than 10 albums, are you saying you can't name every song on your 10 favourite albums?

[admiralvic]

Clearly you didn't read the article, since it's not a matter of size, but an actual design limitation. According to the article / the Vita, the system stops you at exactly 4,000 songs (like 100 apps), so it has nothing to do with size.

With this being said, I think this is just an example of standardized listings on memory cards. I honestly never read how "many" songs, pictures, whatever it can "hold", since sizes will make a difference. Either or, odd limitation that will ideally be removed in the future.

[NewsForSnowflakes]

It's pretty obvious that loads of people don't bother reading the articles. You only have to look at any comment section on N4G. Most replies will be a response to the headline.

I'm a huge Sony fanboy and proud of it, but I gotta say that the memory card situation for the Vita sucks. Still too over-priced and max size of 32gb. Mine is already full.

But it's funny to see people like 'iGAM3R-VIII' blindly defending something they haven't even bothered to check.

[Bereaver]

There is a slight chance that his meaning was sony took an average number say... 8mb and said, let's stick the limit at 4000. (4000x8mb=32gb)

Did you think he could have possibly meant that? Because that's what I thought he was talking about.

"Sony may of based it on the average size for a song or for a small size"

Unfortunately though, an average song size isn't 8mb unless you've got all HD songs.

[ThanatosDMC]

It's also Kotaku.

[Ritsujun]

The clown bought a vita to store 4000+ songs? A top-notch clown, indeed.

[InMyOpinion]

@Ritsujun - The clown bought a vita? A top-notch clown, indeed. *fixed*

[Hicken]

Sometimes, people don't actually go as far as to read thew article once they see the source. They expect, and reasonably so, in some cases, that it'll be something crappy, with a title written for hits and little to no substance.

This article, being from Kotaku, falls under that category of "grain of salt" articles. This is especially true with it being about something Sony-related, since they've been known to troll in the past.

[NewsForSnowflakes]

You didn't even read the article did you?

There is a 4000 song limit regardless of the size of the files.

[Derekvinyard13]

That sucks

[sobekflakmonkey]

@Derekvinyard13

Yeah sure does...that means I can't put 4001 songs on :(

[superterabyte]

who needs more than 4000 songs?

[Rush]

I don't often come off in Sony's court but really? First of all who uses a Vita as primary MP3 player. Secondly who complains about a 4000 song limit on a device that wasn't sold listed or even advertised as an MP3 player.

I have 98 GB's of storage of my Galaxy S3, why would I carry around a Vita to store MP3s. Finally who actually listens to 4000 different songs on a regular basis on a device with poor battery performance compared to a smart phone for playing MP3s.

[aquamala]

who cares that you have a Galaxy S3? does Vita come with a Galaxy S3? this is what the guy wants to use the device for.

a music player is clearly advertised as a feature

http://us.playstation.com/p...

[knifefight]

Rush's post, truncated: "Why aren't my preferences everyone else's? Why isn't my lifestyle everyone else's?"

[DarthJay]

That guy obviously uses it as an MP3 player. He's not you. He has a right to feel however he wants.

[Mr_Writer85]

@aquamala

'a music player is clearly advertised as a feature'

And the Vita plays music...your point being?

[iGAM3R-VIII]

Yes I did read the article calm down its just a misunderstanding and to fix my comment yea that is kind of false advertisement then. Though I probably wouldn't use a vita as a primary mu sic source

[showtimefolks]

I have 494 songs on mine and I feel like that's too many but 4000 damn lol

[joeorc]

"It depend how big of a file size his songs are, Sony may of based it on the average size for a song or for a small size,nothing wrong that Sony did."

100% correct, there is a freaking * before the number's with any flash memory, there is a freaking disclaimer, the Music has thing's Like File format of the Music, bit rate,what will be your sample rate you want the Music to be in.

did Kotaku even have the orig. PSP?
Nothing really has changed other then the form factor of the flash memory card, the digital storage always has a number of MB or GB of Storage, than that is the Total Number of Bytes you can store.

Use a program like Format Factory or something like that to make your Music files to the sound Quality you want. the Higher the sound Quality the More space it will Take. Its freaking common sense!!

and this Limitation being there may be because of the
Content Manager Assistant so instead of jumping to conclusions about the problem wait until Sony get's back with the freaking answer!

[JimmyDanger]

You should just read the article man. Judging by what you said, it's pretty obvious you didn't. It's got nothing to do with file format. It's capped at 4000 songs and confirmed by Sony.

[joeorc]

" Judging by what you said, it's pretty obvious you didn't."

really what do you call this?

first he talked about it listed 9000 song's and i was adressing that was based on what you want your song's to be.

next the limit for the storage card is Like i stated a content mngr. Problem most likely due to the limit on file transfer's number's allowed by the "CMA"
and what do you call this?

"and this Limitation being there may be because of the
Content Manager Assistant so instead of jumping to conclusions about the problem wait until Sony get's back with the freaking answer!"

" It's capped at 4000 songs and confirmed by Sony."

it was not confirmed by Sony they did not get back with them, Like i said this is most likely a issue with the Content Manager Assistant! not with the Hardware! its an Arm Cortex A9 hardware its the same d@mn hardware that's in the Ipad 3! so with added enhancement's, the software can be changed the hardware cannot. So explain How this would be a Hardware limitation on file Size? for the PSVita when they themselves stated:

"While it's true that technically the memory card could hold 32 gigabytes worth of music, this is a propriety piece of hardware—in other words, you can only use it on the Vita. So why does the memory card's product description say that you can save up to 9,136 songs? This might not be a huge deal to most customers, but for people like Lewis, who bought two memory cards just for this purpose, it's no small problem.

We reached out to Sony for an explanation two weeks ago, when we first heard Lewis's story. Sony has not gotten back to us."

and this so called confirmation :

Sony's website confirms the restriction. You can only save 4,000 songs to use offline on your machine.

http://us.support.sonyenter...

was listed for SEN!

that is not the same on How much Music can the PSVita's Memory card can Hold
PD. Have the person who had this complaint try transfer the music from his/her PC to the PSVita and see what Happen's

[kikizoo]

Exactly, some people are acting like you had to choose 4000 songs (300 CDS ! your parents did'nt have that in their entire life), always the same, for ever....it takes you 5 minutes to switch some news albums with old ones, stop crying about stupid things rich young boyz.

[okmrman]

all praise sony

[fatstarr]

sonys shitty coding, they never thought someone would buy a vita 32 gb memory card and fill it with music.
their code has a break in it like how 32bit windows cant use more than 4gb of ram.

[Zechs34]

Kotaku...

Seriously?

[kingmushroom]

yes...Kotakunt

[animegamingnerd]

why do they need so many pointless articles?

[fatstarr]

$$$$$$

[Why o why]

bukaku will always find negative stories to write... the limit is silly though and it would be interesting to find out why but im ignorace stops me from reading the article ......out of all of the sites to kick the bucket bukaku wasnt one of them....Im not wanting people to lose their livelihoods so dont get all emo on me..bukaku have just sucked since I first met em

[DragonKnight]

Kotaku jumping on the chance to spread Sony hate? Naaaahhhhhh that never happens at all.

Story Quality: WTF?
Like this website?: No

[MiloGarret]

Sony fanboys crying on N4G? Naaaahhhhh, that never happens at all.

Story quality: Excellent
Like this website: Yes

[DragonKnight]

Oh wow, a troll? You hear stories about the presence of trolls online but they are said to be so rare that you have a better chance of winning the lottery, or being struck by lightning. And now I have encountered one. What a momentous occasion, I shall have to spread word across the land. None will believe me, but then it's great to have actual proof of it. I'm off to buy a lottery ticket!

[MiloGarret]

So mad. So sad.

[fatstarr]

Lmao, cookies. sony fanboys are hypocrites and extremely biased.

[RememberThe357]

EDIT: nvm. This is a system issue. The card still has space but the the system is stopping him from loading more music. Pretty stupid on Sony's port.

[admiralvic]

The only moron here is you... the article is about a DESIGN limitation. The Vita stops you at 4,000 songs, which has nothing to do with size, nor is it something the average person would anticipate.

This is why you have to read people... sometimes there is a reason / point to the article.

[NewsForSnowflakes]

RememberThe357:

"Wow this guy is a moron. How many songs you can pack on a 32gb card depends on how big those files are. I can't pack the same amount of WAV files on a card as I can 128kbps MP3s, it's just not gonna happen. That kind of the whole point behind MP3 and AAC.

Again, what a moron, and what a moron for running this story. "

You're the moron.

If you actually took 30 seconds to read the article you would see that there is a 4000 song limit on the memory card, regardless of file size.

Again...what a moron.

EDIT: Added "RememberThe357's&quo t; original comment.

[dead_eye]

@RememberThe357 Editing your whole comment. That's a bit sad.

@Squall5005 The article is wrong. The description is right. The card can hold roughly that amount it's just the vita won't let it.

[RememberThe357]

I got it. I didn't see the bottom part of the article (after the pictures), but thanks for rushing to judgement about my rush to judgement.

Haha @above, if that makes you feel better.

@admiralvic: Couldn't agree more. I mistakenly thought the article was over after the pictures. When I read through it again I saw there was more and edited my comment to what it is now.

@Seraphemz: Haha thats true too. They're the Huffington Post of game journalism. Sometimes spot on, most of the time full of crap. lol

[Seraphemz]

I cant really blame you for not really reading an article from Kotaku... i mean...its Kotaku..

[GreenRanger]

"I figured I could use it as an mp3 player as well as a gaming console," Lewis told us. "Unfortunately, that is not the case."
I think if it can hold 4000 songs in the MP3 format, then it IS an MP3 player, Kotaku.

[DrRichtofen]

That kinda sucks that it doesn't hold 9,000 + songs as was described, but also who the hell has the time listen to, let alone even scroll through 4,000 songs?!

[TongkatAli]

This

[ninjahunter]

Did somebody say music piracy?

[InTheLab]

4k songs? I'm sure this dude paid for them all too. All 4k of em...

So my question is, where are these song at now? On a PC? Can you just flip whatever content you want when you get bored of the 4k songs on the card?

Lastly...the 32gig card needs a serious price cut...

[knifefight]

Re: "4k songs? I'm sure this dude paid for them all too. All 4k of em... "

Man, I hope you're not a cop.
I can just picture you...
"You own a car and beer? Clearly you've been driving drunk."

"You own a hunting rifle? You're probably a murderer."

"You own some lingerie? You sound like a whore."

"Your house has floorboards? So how many bodies are between them, hmmm?"

"Your kid has a couple of bruises? Yeah right they're 'from football,' get in the car, we're going to the station."

You seem to have a very skewed definition of "probable cause."
Jeez, dude....

[dredgewalker]

That would actually scare me cause I have access to cyanide, sulfuric acid, nitric acid, cadmium, mercury and all sorts of nasty things in our workshop.

[Sleet]

Preachy over reaction club is that way -》

[PirateThom]

I have like 1,400 songs on my phone and I haven't listened to all of them....

However, all the same, if it was advertised as 9k or whatever, it should be able to do that. It's not even a standard listing, no other Sony memory cards say that.

As for the asterisk, it's pulled from the Sony info:

*Or any combination of the above media. Calculations based on 1.75GB – 3.5GB average for full PS Vita games, 1.3GB average for movies, 3.5MB average for songs, and 5MB average for photos.

[DivineAssault]

That sucks for music lovers. Good thing i dont own that much music or id be a bit pissed off too

[EverydayGuy]

How hard are you searching for people to complain about shit like this? To title your article "At Least One Gamer Is Pissed At Sony"? Are you looking for the smallest common denominator so you can make an article about it?

Yes the 4k amount of songs is a legit concern, but you are scraping at the bottom of the barrel at this point.

[r21]

He has over 4000 songs? I only have around a hundred in mine O_O

[tachy0n]

so much drama from kotaku...

this can easily be fixed through a firmware update >.>

[Conzul]

While they're at it, fix the 30 minutes per clip filming limitation on the Vita's camera.

[itsalive]

Name any device that is not a camcorder that records for more than 29 minutes at a time. Supposedly there is a very specific/good reason for this limitation, at least to the company that makes the product.

[TOGC]

My Galaxy Nexus (first one) does recording past 30 minutes in 1080p just fine.

[stuntman_mike]

also you dont get the full 32GB on those cards. something like 29GB.

[hobohunterz]

Yeah like every other storage device

[3GenGames]

I buy 4GB of RAM, I get 4GB of RAM. Weird...

It's retarded to have the storage of the device only based off of 1000 bytes, when they did so so the file system tables would not limit the size even more. BUT now you buy a 2TB device, you get 1.95TB AND have to put a file system over it, which takes a whole GB more. Lots of space you don't have by the end of it! It's garbage that companies can do this.

[TOGC]

I just checked my system ram. I have 2x4gb sticks in there.

Windows is telling me there is 7.8gb available. It is just a smaller margin. When the storage device gets bigger, the missing space is easier to spot.

[suicidalblues]

I know, right? I bought a 500g hard drive and it only had like 479g or some crap like that. I called the cops, but they hung up on me.

[Bowzabub]

Yeah, I got Music Unlimited for $12 with my Plus sub.. Problem solved! And I have a lot more than 4000 songs buddy. Natural selection at work here. Stop breathing our oxygen. /hate

[MrBuffalo]

4000 songs isn't that much to have stored digitally. Its like 400 albums which is quite easy for a music lover to accumulate ... In my opinion at least. Other then that PSV is a great machine.

[triplev16]

Kind of weird why there's a limit in the first place. Could this not be fixed with a patch?

[jakmckratos]

Yeah that's kinda ridiculous. Don't advertise something when it can't even do half of what you say. Bogus Sony is bogus. also hate the fact we have to buy memory cards...seems kinda 2004 to me.

[tubers]

"alsi the fact that we have to by EXPENSIVE memory cards..."

Fixed.

As of current, companies are price gouging for built in memory sizes.. external expandable allieviates the lack of storage for others.

[-Falaut-]

You're reaching Kotaku...even for you.

[N0S3LFESTEEM]

Oh boohoo... I can only listen to 4000 of my favorite songs :(. First world problems to the max.

[insomnium2]

Exactly. They should fix this with a FW update but come on. 4000 songs and you are bitching about not enough? Get a life buddy.

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

Must post this... PS3 Exclusives... and... PS4 are getting... too many great reviews... too much focus on them... MUST post bad Sony news...

[LordHiggens]

Damn bros, I have 300 songs on my Sansa Clip...even I don't listen to them all...it's 4 gigs works just fine. This though, holy crapola!!!!

[RandomDude655]

My 32gb iphone is about full with 1500 songs. Though, a good bit of them are lossless. Sony shouldn't have a limit on apps or music, but 4k is a very large music library.

[WitWolfy]

As the OP said. IT DEPENDS ON THE SIZE OF THE MP3!!!! Obviously Sony took an average 128KB/s mp3 which is about 4MB in size and multiplied its estimate to the size of the card!!!

Some people are so STUPID!!!

[WitWolfy]

*Face palm* Thats why I drink thanks to idiots like you.. Learn from your mothers mistakes, use birth control.

[Gaming_Guru]

What Fox News is like for the mainstream media, Kotaku is the equivalent in the gaming community.

[ziggurcat]

leave it to kraptaku to post a negative sony article. why people haven't down voted this awful site to the point of extinction on this site by now is beyond me....

[tarbis]

There's a thing called common sense in which both Lewis and Kraptaku don't have. There's also an asterisk for the explanation in which again both did not read.

[BrianC6234]

Who needs more than 4,000 songs? That seems like enough. Kotaku has really turned into Sony haters. It's a crappy site anyway.

[3GenGames]

A DJ, possibly? I know a few DJ's locally who have over 1TB of lossless FLAC music on a external for their events. YOU Might not need it, but it doesn't mean there's people who don't need or want to have that much content on hand just because.

[BrianC6234]

I doubt DJs use a Vita for their job.

[hazelamy]

seems like an arbitrary limit to me.
but then aren't you limited to only like 99 apps on a memory card as well?
if you have a lot of Minis titles that could easily get filled.

so in comparison, 4000 songs is not so bad.

and i could imagine using up that 4000 spaces, i have nearly two thousand music track on my itunes, and then there's the podcasts, i've got something like five thousand of those.

if you're going on holiday and you're taking your Vita, you will want a wide selection with you, you never know what you'll want to listen to.

i would suspect it was to sell more memory cards but 4000 is still a lot, but that 99 apps thing, that i believe is to sell more memory cards.

and the fact you can only have one account per card, and almost everybody has mutliple psn accounts, even Shuhei Yoshida has multiple accounts for different regions.
that's definitely to sell more memory cards.

[Bathyj]

It takes at least 1 pissed off gamer for Kotaku to write a small article about Sony.

[Bowzabub]

They have a willing staff if the former is not available as well. ;)

[kenshiro100]

Welcome to N4G. :D

Seriously, I'm not surprised by Kotaku. Their hatred of Sony knows no bounds.

[DarkHeroZX]

I don't get this on N4G. Whenever some has an opinion on a game that is generally recieved of being good from both users and critics we bash them and say they're wrong, and don't lie because we are all guilty of it. But then whenever someone gets on the author's case he is intitled to his opinion. Something isn't right here. I can bash any given system or game that someone else likes but then when this guy cries over a feature, I'm pretty sure most of us don't even use on the vita anyway, everyone has his back. Heck the vita doesn't have custom playlist or dynamic themes like the psp does and I don't see anyone ranting about that. And isn't the number of songs held based on the average length being 3 minutes anyway? I convert a lot of youtube videos into mp3s and they range form anywhere to 1-2 mb all the way up to 30-40mb depending on what other files where embedded in the video.

[RAVEN81]

deal with it , do you really NEED more then 4000 songs .

[profgerbik]

Well technically I do, I listen to so much music. I have over 40,000 songs currently but I can completely agree though chances are no one is actually listening to all those at one time even I don't.

Out of the 40,000, my top favorites are only around 2,500. So basically that is all I would put on any portable device anyway is all the songs I actually want to listen to the most.

Regardless though I have actually listened to all 40,000 songs.. believe it or not but yes there is no need to have that many songs on a MP3 player..

[talisker]

Story quality? WTF
Do you like this site? No

I know I'm repeating myself. But so are they with their ridiculous bullshit. Take Kotaku off this site because they're a joke and shame to the gaming community.

Every file system has a limit but those clowns don't understand it because they don't know a single thing about technology.

[Captain Tuttle]

The Defense Force is strong in here today.

4000 is such a weird number, guess Sony wants you to buy those memory cards.

[DumpManager]

If a company in this day and age puts such a statement on their product and sells it to you based on that, you better be able to get what you paid for, either that, or get to keep the item and be refunded.. OR, sue them for false advertising for millions.

[rammstein91]

this article rubbish,shame on kotaku..even the memory card is fulled with only songs that 320 kbps mp3,max number would be appx 3000 songs,to exeed 9000 number must use poor quality audio like 128 kbps

[joeorc]

there is two way's to get Music on the PSVita:

SEN: Music unlimited

Sony's website confirms the restriction. You can only save 4,000 songs to use offline on your machine.

http://us.support.sonyenter...

than there is direct transfer from your PC's OR FLASH MEMORY STORAGE DRIVE FROM YOUR PC to your PSVita through your Content Manager Assistant!

downloading Music from Music unlimited to your PSVita for offline is limited to 4000 song's

straight from Kotaku's link:

Q:
How many tracks can I download to offline playlists?

A:Offline Mode allows up to 4000 music tracks.

Each Playlist has a 200 song limit.

This was talking about sony entertainment network!

Did Kotaku's Source try to transfer his MP3's from His PC to the PSVita's Blank Memory card?

because that is not the same thing as sony entertainment network's Music unlimited limitation which is:

Offline Mode allows up to 4000 music tracks.

Each Playlist has a 200 song limit.

that could very well be the reason he got two Answer's by two customer service rep's!

[Benjaminkno]

Maybe it's just me, but discussing music compatibility on a video game console seems tragically ironic.

[Aztec_MC]

Wow, this is bad. I would sue Sony for false advertising. It's an easy case. Good luck to this guy.

The Vita is marketed as holding up to 9,000+ songs, but it has a 4,000 limit. I would be angry too. I use my PSP Slim for Music all the time.

[brianunfried]

It's a game machine, you should just expect to play games. Music player is just a nice bonus. If you want to play your entire music collection buy an iPod.

[Argus9]

I'll admit it's a bit shady on Sony's part, but you don't buy ANYTHING without reading the packaging first. I'm sure there's a line somewhere in the ToS for this sort of thing. I feel for the guy, but hopefully this is something he can learn from.

[Captain Tuttle]

Did you read the article? The box said that it holds up to 9,136 songs. Now, I know it's a guesstimate but 4,000 is less that half of the number. If he got 8,000 on there then he would be splitting hairs imo. But he got half the stated capacity.

[Argus9]

Captain, since you're a registered user on a gaming-focused site, I'll assume you're computer-savvy enough to know that a 1-minute song takes up less space than a 3-minute song. The estimate on the box is based on an average song length. Come on, you're smarter than that, and this is nothing new.

But let's suppose you don't get all that "giga-bit" mumbo-jumbo. Whether you speak English or French, the back of the box has an asterisk next to the storage estimates. Following the asterisk to the statement *right below* the estimates explains, both in English and in French, that they're based on an average size of 3.5MB for songs.

Companies will do whatever they can to get you to buy their product, including producing packaging that will make their product look better while working within the rules. That's why you ALWAYS read the box before buying.

[ceed911]

42M to 25M in North America is the only sign you need to see that Sony is in no way doing "great"