PS3's Move Closing The Sales Gap with Kinect

Microsoft has done a fantastic job marketing and selling Kinect, which stormed out the gate a year ago while Sony's PlayStation Move has been slow and steady. They've been on very different sales curves, but the hype has been so great for Kinect that you might not realize Move is only about a million units behind Kinect in sales and would appear to be closing the gap.

[fluffydelusions]

Where is Sorcery?!

[NukaCola]

^^^This

The reason I got the Move, but like 90% of the Wii line up and the Kinect...it's just not very impressive becuase the software isn't using it to the maximum potential.

[EVILDEAD360]

It's actually not even close.

I bought my move and an extra controller. That is counted as 2 'Moves'.

It's unfortunate that Sony didnt put soome of it's developers on Move early in it's cycle.

I'm still praying for al of the Guncon games to make it to PSN.

I would cry cheers of joy for a Point Blank Collection.

I bought alot more Kinect titles, but I still used my move 100 times more than I used my Wii.

The main 3 I bought were Killzone 3, Tiger Woods 12, and Dead Space exctraction over PSN.

I love Kinect Sports 2 and Dance Central 2 and I am dumbfounded that the best Move game period (Sports Champion) didn't get a dedicated sequel.

Evil

[yesmynameissumo]

So "It's actually not even close." why again? Because you bought more Kinect games? Uh...ok.

"The Kinect's weakness has been the sales pattern, where 8 million devices sold in 2 months, and then in the next 10 months only 2 million more devices were sold. This has led to some concerns."

That says it all. Dance away.

[Getowned]

i have move and the wii the move is way better but the lack of games is driving me crazy,seems like move is only piggy back riding some games and nothing more so far all we have gotten is a lot of crappy party games.least with the wii though there are some games to play like Mario kart which I still play to this day online crazy fun tho I wish there where more maps.

[EVILDEAD360]

"The Kinect's weakness has been the sales pattern, where 8 million devices sold in 2 months, and then in the next 10 months only 2 million more devices were sold. This has led to some concerns'
'That says it all. Dance away.'

Actually it DOESNT say it all

Kinect sold 8 million in 2 months and broke guiness records.

In March this year they announce 10 Million Kinect shipped..

That leaves only 6 months unaccounted for..well not exactly.

The last known trend was Kinect made up two thirds of 360 bundles.

Industrygames.com and the usual suspects are pretending Kinect was supposed to do another 8 million in sales during the two lowest selling quarters for ANY console.

In fact how is it possible for Kinect to do some 'fake' magical numbers when the 360 up through September only sold 6 million consoles.

So if Kinect was responsible for one half to two thirds is actually nothing but 'win' for Micrsoft who is doing fantastic number this deep it's console history..and clearly it's because of Kinect.

I said the difference in counting Move sales vs. Kinect is Kinect is simply the camera or the bundle whereas Sony counts each controller as a Move sale due to the fact that the EyeToy cam already existed. So if you buy the Move bundle and another controller it counts as two Move sales.

So Dance to that

Evil

[yesmynameissumo]

Regardless of how you try to breaking down what is 1 Move or what is counted or whatever the hell it is your trying to substantiate...you fail. I can't say it any other way. I could give a shit what you choose to believe, but your belief system won't change the fact - 8 million devices sold in 2 months, and then in the next 10 months only 2 million more devices were sold. Make up your own figures, talk to your neighbors to create your own study, I really don't care. 8 million devices sold in 2 months, and then in the next 10 months only 2 million more devices were sold. Guinness records ain't helping it. Dance I say! Dance!

[EVILDEAD360]

'Regardless of how you try to breaking down what is 1 Move or what is counted or whatever the hell it is your trying to substantiate...you fail'

Nope didn't fail..facts are fact..but U Mad..is also a fact in this case.how many times do you have to curse to make a point...breaking letter on your keyboard won't help your case.

Lol @ pretending that if you say Dance or curse it means anything..

Edit..

LMAO..'non-response' the facts speak for themselves..I could care less if you curse, use capital letters, or cry..do you.

Facts..it sold 8 milion in two months..shipped 10 million in 3 and the the 360 sold a total of 6 million plus in 9 months. There hasnt been another announcment period. So if Kinect is 'crickets' then what is 'Move'? (insert silent insect here)

What a 'maroon'..lol..what a FAIL..log off and get some air..

Evil

[yesmynameissumo]

Thank you for supplying the best "non-response b/c you have nothing and know it" reply I've read in some time. Cursing upsets you? Shit, I'll have to stop cursing to help protect your sensitivities, as if you were some schoolgirl. Damn, I said shit! Shit, I said damn! So sorry.

Lol @ your continual blind eye to facts. Here it is again - 8 million devices sold in 2 months, and then in the next 10 months only 2 million more devices were sold. If anyone's mad, it's you. I mean...look at your rebuttal. That's gotta set off your lame alarm in some shape, form or fashion. Don't get mad man, it's just games. Buy what you like, but when all you can fall back on is a Guinness record, that should be telling ya something. Nevermind the barrage of Kinect sales talk leading up to and after its initial release that has absolutely fallen to crickets chirping. You think its sold 19 billion units, but they're just being quiet cause of Guinness. "What a maroon!" was coined specifically for people like you.

Also...Dance!

EDIT: I guess I was giving you too much credit regarding your age when I said "maroon". Go ask Mommy and Daddy what dipshits where called by Bugs Bunny. There hasn't been another announcement because their sales haven't been worth talking about. You might not see it as odd that the typical MS rah-rah has died completely for Kinect. That the once - "We've sold a lot!" has pretty much stopped.

@XDF
"8 million devices sold in 2 months, and then in the next 10 months only 2 million more devices were sold." is from the article Sparky. You might want to read it. Pretty informative. No one said they've sold zero, but they aren't selling enough for MS to shovel it down the gaming press' throats (psst - like they did last year).

[SoapShoes]

Geeze EvilDead, you're just making stuff up to suit the Kinect. You make up assumptions about why the Move hasn't done well and make more assumptions why the Kinect is doing so well when you have no facts. All we have to go by are the official figures. I don't know how you got so many bubbles.... -_-

[XDF]

@yesmynameissumo

Did you even read the article? It is 8 million Kinect sold the first two month and total of 10 millions sold in MARCH of this year. Microsoft has not released any figure of sales after March, they will probably release the information by end of the year after the Holiday season. Do you seriously think Microsoft sold zero Kinect sensor/bundle from April to now?

I don't have a Kinect or a Move and can care less about them but the blind fanboyism on N4G is getting out of control.

@yesmynameissumo, Like I said blind fanboyism. So John Doe said it it must be true? :/. Where are your other source Sparky? I mean real sources and not from any guy from the street. You are beating a dead horse buddy.

[sikbeta]

I'm here to say that I don't give a damn about the sales, just give me Sorcery, been waiting for it since the day they showed it!

[DatNJDom81]

Wow EvilDead whos dick did u suck to get all those bubbles? And this is supposed to be a sony fanboy site. LOL

[ApplEaglElephant]

That Kinect had 500 million dollars marketing support.

While Move had none.

you can sell tampon as nose bleed stopper with that kind of marketing money.

and also, you reek of butt hurtness.

[bozebo]

"it's just not very impressive becuase the software isn't using it to the maximum potential."

Decent developers do not want to waste their time working on a motion control game for platforms that don't have a major market for motion control games, only if they can launch on the wii too for profits. And lets face it 80% of wiis are just gathering dust now (most of its casual market).

Whenever a decent developer is forced into making a motion control game, they (their employees - who are mostly gamers) don't give a crap about it so it turns out junk.

So, the software is never going to be using it to the maximum potential.

IMHO Kinect and Move have more uses outside games. Kinect can do some cool things (nothing that you'd buy a game for though) and Move can be good for positioning a camera in 3D space (for CGI camera angles that are actually human controlled) but the new Razer thing is far better for that now anyway. Till Kinect can read your finger placement, it's going to be pointless (they always pretend it cares about fingers when acting for the 'milo' crap and other marketing but it physically cannot be programmed to be aware of finger locations).

@ApplEaglElephant +bubs funny

[Boody-Bandit]

@EVILDEAD360

Sold is sold no matter how anyone tries to spin it. I will go 1 further for those that get hung up on shipped vs sold while I am at it. Shipped = sold by the manufacturer and publisher of said products. Once product is in retail hands the companies of said products have already made their money.

They don't give retailers products on consignment. They sell them to the distributors below MSRP, distributors sell them to retailers below MSRP and then retailers try to get full MSRP on said product to make their money.

So debating semantics has nothing to do with the $$$ that the companies making the products already have in their bank. All the spinning in the world wont change that.

The logic, or lack there of, that you are trying to use here (ED360) can be used for all sides in so many of these silly sales articles but none of it matters. The only thing that matters to the companies supplying these products is they got paid.

We can sit here day in and out debating how said product is being utilized. Examples: Most Wii's sit and collect dust and are just a fashionable purchase. XBox 360 console numbers are inflated because of hardware failure and people looking to trade up to a more stable version or custom bundled unit. Some PS3 consumers are buying multiple Move devices for certain titles. <-- That is all opinion / speculation. The FACT is these companies already made their $$$ regardless of how the use the consumer uses or doesn't use their product.

These articles are all fanboy fodder. None of these companies give a damn about us so why does anyone waste time arguing over the profit they are making from us? Are we gamers or stock brokers?

*We now return you to you regular broadcast station where your program is already in session*

[oohWii]

Dumbass article written by some fanboy site searching to sensationalize something that isn't there.

These idiots are even tracking the numbers properly.

Move is a system comprising of a "controller" and a "camera" with an optional sub controller.

You can't have move without having both the controller and the camera. Unless these clowns are counting 1 camera for each controller they are counting, they can't count the number as "Moves" sold.

If they are going to count move controllers then they should be compared to other controllers, ie. the dualshock or 360 controller.

But, move and kinect complete are motion control systems and should be counted with the minimum required parts before they are considered.

Seriously only a deluted fanboy would see this otherwise.

Kinect and Move have both have done nicely for themselves, and the sell of them versus one another is very difficult because of how Move is broken down.

[Dee_91]

@Evil.
You do know that Move numbers arent only the Move Controller right?I thought people figured this out a long time ago .. apparently .. not

[oohWii]

@Dmarc - "You do know that Move numbers arent only the Move Controller right?I thought people figured this out a long time ago"

Please explain to me how you know that, and how they track those numbers. Additionally how do they know when a person buys the camera that they are indeed buying it for Move and not for Singstar or something.

My PS3 camera was purchased when I bought Singstar. I added the Move Controllers and sub controllers later.

[Iroquois_Pliskin]

@evildead360 to get the maximun of the ps move, you have to own a ps3.

[Dee_91]

@ohwii
vgchartz.com/article/82122/pl aystation-move-preliminary-sal e s-figures-in/
It says when counting the Move hardware they count the Starter Kit .. Not just the Move Controller. If they did it the way you think they might as well list the Nav controllers sells and PSeye sells
Hell lets list the amount DS3s sold while were at it.

[El Nino]

Agreed. Demo i saw way back looked really good, showed the move in a really postive light. Don't understand why its gone off the radar, who were the developers?

[Abriael]

Will be playable at the Sony winter showcase in NY.

[PSX99]

When is that show and where in ny?

[GameOn]

wow...

[Berserk]

Wondering that to! Its pretty impressive by Move, since Microsoft did spend 500 million to advertise the Kinect.

[saladthieves]

Precisely. The fact that they spent that much to advertise kinect, the initial high surge in sales (8 mil in 2 months) and then the slow stretch of 2 mil in the next 2 months shows that more people bought the device out of hype.

[nondecaf]

@ fluffy ign posted I think a week ago that this December at a holiday event that sorcery is getting a hand on demo.

[ssb3173]

That looked really cool aswell, i really want it to come out, whole reason i bought the move

[Raoh]

I have nothing to say except that I agree with fluffydelusions ...

"Where the Got Dam is Sorcery?"

[showtimefolks]

i think going forward move will have some cool games. Overall both kinect and move have done nicely since launched.

all i know is since all these motion controllers were launched its about dance and exercise games

[beastgamer]

Like I said M$ is doing it wrong. Spending over 100 million in Kinect Ads, with garbage games. Dance Central is probably the only exception.
With 100 Million I can form a studio and make an exclusive game. How many games you know cost 100 million to make.
GTA IV

[TheMrMadzen]

It's coming as a playable demo at some gaming conference this Winter!

[Old McGroin]

@ ApplEaglElephant

"@EVILDEAD Funny how u dont metion the fact
That Kinect had 500 million dollars marketing support.

While Move had none."

Eh, I'm pretty sure I've seen a few advertisements for the Move since it came out buddy which suggests to me that there was at least a few bucks spent on its marketing!

Out of interest, where do people on N4G keep getting the marketing budgets for games related stuff? And don't say Google, I mean where can someone find legit info on that sort of thing? For instance, where did ApplEaglElephant discover that the Kinect had a marketing budget of 500 million?

[Krew_92]

I agree, but I have an off-topic question.

Why do the Read full story >> not open a new tab like it used to? Is it a bug? I was hoping anyone would know,or if it was only me experiencing this.

Anyways I bought the Move and have not used it much, the last time I recall using it was with LittleBigPlanet 2. But the Move is great fun, and I might buy the House of the Dead: Overkill.

[Venjense]

Who cares, Move has no games.

I love it with Killzone 3 but I bought it more for dedicated Move games, that either all suck or don't exist.

[donniebaseball]

It's not like Kinect has any great Kinect exclusives either. I'm not thrilled with either Move or Kinect.

[NYC_Gamer]

both kinect/move lack any real software that would make me run out and buy the hardware

[mugoldeneagle03]

Is going to be the year Kinect sales go off.

I work at Best Buy and we've been running a $100 gift card deal w/ the 4GB bundle all week and I've sold probably 7-8 during a shift. Almost none with accessories. It's just automatic to consumers.

They've re-bundled the sensor with Fruit Ninja & Gunstringers (Not great games, but free regardless) and I've seen a lot of ads on major networks (ESPN, NBC, FOX) etc.

I'm not a Kinect fan of any kind this is solely from a retail sales standpoint. And from what I see on the sales floor.

[DonaldBeck]

i want to see a manhunt game use move.

[donniebaseball]

Given the ridiculous controversy over the Wii version of Manhunt I doubt that sort of thing will happen.

[rob6021]

I would love to see it used with 1:1 in GTA 5, when you have a weapon like a golf club/baseball bat/sword. Seems like a good fit for the game.

[TheBlackMask]

Least with Move I have the choice to play some amazing first party games with move. Not like you can play Halo/Gears with Kinect.

[Gam3rSinceBiRTH]

Please keep Kinect out of Halo or Gears Microsoft! I'm kinda annoyed that the next Fable is going to be a Kinect game.

[mcstorm]

Yes you can halo cea lets you use kinect and so does forza 4.

But anyway looks like move is selling better as the year has gone by but what people are forgetting is you need 2 move controller an eye toy and a 2 navs for more than 1 player. so when you look at it that way its not on the sae number as kinect as you only meed one device.

To me both ms and sony are just testing the water with kinect and move for next gen when ms will bring out a new designed controller and kinect 2 bundled with the next xbox and i see sony keeping move but have it replacing the ds3. Sonys biggest problem is there are no must have games just for move as you can use the ds3 and games like cod fifa ect dont support move when ms are starting to get more games using kinect support but again its big names cod fifa ect dont support kinect.

[cstyle]

You can also play them without move. Lets face it, both lack games but move doesn't hardly have anything. They need more original titles. At least kinect has the games. They may not be the greatest but at least they are supporting it.

[Biggest]

There are just as many "games" for Move as Kinect if you care to count things like Sesame Street and DisneyLand. The thing with Move is. . . It actually works with things people like. Killzone is OUTSTANDING with the Move. Heavy Rain is a new experience with the Move. Yes, you can play them without the Move. That doesn't change the fact that they're awesome with the Move. You can play Halo with Kinect. . . Wait. Nevermind.

[blackburn10]

And what does Kinect have? A bunch of games that are either ignored, play crappy, look crappy or are so simple minded that it makes your head spin that get mostly average or below average scores?

I don't know about you but I would rather play with Move on KZ3 that works rather then flail around pointlessly with Kinect games while people insist that you are doing it wrong and that the low scores don't matter

[mendicant]

What does Kinect have to do with Move being a piece of shit? Kinect has games that people buy, like and play. What games for Move are doing that?

Yeah, thought so. You can continue hating now.

[Anon1974]

"Who cares, Move has no games."

Doesn't Move have almost 100 games already? You're telling me out of all those titles, you only played KZ3 and then threw up your arms and went "Well, that's all there is." Did you even look?
And what the hell do you mean you only want to play Move dedicated games? That's like buying a car and saying "I'm only going to drive it to places that only my car will go." Who would do that? And then you sit back and moan, "My car won't go anywhere!" At the risk of sounding offensive, I seriously have to ask...are you a fool?

Anyway...I called this a couple of quarters ago with Kinect. Microsoft was yelling Kinect numbers from the rooftops at first, then suddenly...crickets. The second Kinect numbers weren't being crowed about 2 quarters ago, I knew something was up - and I was mocked for even suggesting that maybe MS didn't want to talk Kinect sales anymore for some reason.

Now we know why.

[EVILDEAD360]

LOL @ Darktroll

Name those 100 titles that exist right now..you can't

The article is as silly as what people are pretending 'suddenly' happened to Kinect.

Micrsoft announced it's record numbers and the article is pretending it suddenly did bad because there were no more announcements.

But that is like pretending that no more Kinect bundles sold in the two months in the 3rd quarter.

10 Million sold in 6 months..3 months and the 360 still topped NPD on the strenth of Kinect.

From January through September 2011 two Kinect titles made the NPD top 20 sales chart. (Kinect Sports and Dance Central)

This is significant because not one PS3 exclusive made the NPD top 20 sales.

http://www.shoptonews.net/2...

Those are the facts and even Industrygames.com can't spin that one as they try to do for every Microsoft related article.

Evil

[KingSlayer]

Here's at least 75.

Auditorium*
Beat Sketcher*
Blue Toad Murder Files* (via PSN software update)
Brunswick Pro Bowling
Cabela’s Dangerous Hunts 2011
Create
Dance on Broadway
Dance Dance Revolution
Dead Space Extraction*
de Blob 2
Dungeon Hunter: Alliance*
echochrome II*
EyePet
Fast Draw Showdown*
The Fight: Lights Out
Funky Lab Rat*
Get Fit With Mel B
Harry Potter & The Deathly Hallows Part Two
Heavy Rain (via PSN software update)
High Velocity Bowling* (via PSN software update)
Hustle Kings* (via PSN software update)
John Daly’s ProStroke Golf
Killzone 3
Kung Fu Rider
Little League World Series 2010
MAG (via PSN software update)
MLB 11: The Show
Michael Jackson: The Experience
Modern Combat: Domination*
NBA 2K11
Pain* (via PSN software update)
Planet Minigolf* (via PSN software update)
PlayStation Move Ape Escape*
PlayStation Move Heroes
Racquet Sports
Rapala Pro Bass Fishing 2010
Resident Evil 5: Gold Edition (via PSN software update)
R.U.S.E.
Sackboy’s Prehistoric Moves*
Singstar Dance
The Sly Collection
SOCOM 4
Sports Champions
Start the Party
Swords & Soldiers* (via PSN software update)
The Lord of the Rings: Aragorn’s Quest
The Shoot
Tiger Woods PGA Tour 11 (via PSN software update)
Tiger Woods PGA Tour 12
Time Crisis: Razing Storm
Top Darts*
Top Spin 4
Toy Story 3: The Video Game (side modes via PSN software update)
TRON: Evolution
Tumble*
TV Superstars
UFC Personal Trainer: The Ultimate Fitness System
Under Siege*
Virtua Tennis 4
Yoostar 2
Zumba Fitness
BioShock Infinite
Carnival Island
Child of Eden
Dungeon Defenders*
DUST 514*
Everybody Dance
EyePet and Friends
GoldenEye 007: Reloaded
The House of the Dead Overkill – Extended Cut
LittleBigPlanet 2 (via upcoming PlayStation Move Pack PSN software update)
Medieval Moves: Deadmund’s Quest
NBA 2K12
No More Heroes: Heroes’ Paradise
Oddworld: Stranger’s Wrath*
PixelJunk lifelike*
Resistance 3
Sorcery
Star Trek
Wanted Corp*

*Denotes a downloadable PSN title

[Oner]

God I love it when certain types of "gamers" (who honestly don't know what the F they are talking about) gets put in their place with REAL proof. It's the best form of "STFU" possible.

+Agree & +Well Said KingSlayer & Darkride66

[EVILDEAD360]

@ Kingslayer

Anybody copy and paste a list of proposed games and count them..

I said name 100 that 'exist'..you name 75 and some of the games arent released. Good luck playing Dust 514, Sorcery, Star Trek, Bioshock Infinite etc.

Now try to make a list of Move only game and see big your list is.

And that's where Sony dropped the ball..trying to pretend playing games like NBA 2K11 with Move instead of a controller is even close to a better experience is silly.

But thanks for the list..I've purchase 16 of em'

Personal Top 3

Sports Champions
Top Darts
Killzone 3

Sleeper of the Move collection is 'Start the Party'

Just my take

@ Oner

Please enlighten me of the real proof..since your a 'certain' kind of gamer.

Evil

[MuleKick]

@EVILDEAD360

So, you ask a question, get an answer, and in an effort to save face, edit your question and pound your chest as if you were right all along?
What a shame. "Name 100 games".
Really?
100?
In 1 year?
You play 100 games a year?
100 games this generation maybe.
At least be realistic.

Oh, here's a link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

Enjoy.

[EVILDEAD360]

@ Dr. Practical

'So, you ask a question, get an answer, and in an effort to save face, edit your question and pound your chest as if you were right all along?'

LMAO @ this topic bringing out the hilarious fan kid wackiness we unfortunately see on this site on a daily basis.

The one thing I will always do is keep it 100% real..if it is an opinion then it's my opinion..if it's FACT then it's FACT..disagree with fact with emotion or as many fake accounts as you want but it wont change fact.

I NEVER edited ANY question..

Let's review the FACTS and use your wiki link to do it.

I'll break it down as slooow as possible for the people who want to pretend that I'm not using FACTS

1. Darkride asked 'Doesn't Move have almost 100 games already

2. I responded 'Name those 100 titles that EXIST right now..you can't'

3. Kingslayer listed 75..but included games that do not exist now. Because anybody can copy and paste 'lists' on the internet. If you are a fan of N4G like I am then you will see plenty of them.

4. I pointed out that even in that list of 75 you had games (some were only just announced at last year's E3) that don't 'exist' like Bioshock:Infinite, Dust 514, Sorcery etc.

5 You bring out the obvious Wikipedia link which proves EXACTLY what I said before..

Wikipedia states:

There are currently 85 (exclusive: 46; multi-platform: 39; PlayStation Network games: 17; Upcoming games: 16; Existing games: 54) games on this list.

AGAIN..54 Games 'Exist' not 100..not 75..I repeat according to Wikepedia on 54 Move releated games currently exist (my original point was there are not 100)

Either way NONE of this matters

I love Motion control games..especially the party ones and own all of them Move, Kinect, and Wii..

They ALL have advantages and disadvantages..period

Of the 75 move games Kingslayer listed I own 16 of them. This isn't bragging rights for N4G.I actually spent my hard earned money because I wanted these games.

I've stated MY faves (as recommendation to future Move owners) and I will continue to support my investment..unlike the usual suspects who only 'talk' about Move and clearly don't own it.

I called it exactly like it is. The usual suspects can disagree all day, but still havent proved me wrong at all.

So I laugh at 'Yeswhatever' making Bug Bunny references (pretending I'm a kid) and 'DatDom' mad for zero reason. It's a shame when you call it simply like it is all of a sudden people's reading comprehension is only as good as their console of choice.

I salute the ACTUAL gamers who support Move and Kinect..if those are your types of games and you have fun with them don't be scared of the usual suspects (and their multi accounts) on this site who spew negativity on a daily basis.

It is what it is

Evil

[Gam3rSinceBiRTH]

EvilDead won this argument pretty easily. He does have a legitimate argument about how Sony counts Move sales. Move is multiple parts, right? You would need 5 pieces to have more than 2 players for Move, right? So....

... How in the world can Sony count sales any other way but with every piece sold? It's pretty safe to say that they do count each piece sold. And if that's the case, Kinect sales are very impressive considering it's only 1 piece.

Unless this web site knows something I don't, I'll just put it up with the rest of the garbage sites that come on here.

[insomnium2]

@Gam3rSinceBiRTH

"He does have a legitimate argument about how Sony counts Move sales. Move is multiple parts, right?"

I'm at a loss. What in the hell does this matter in any way. One sold Move is one sold move. you could atleast bring up some real numbers from the software side of things if you want to proove something. As it stands anyone who say the same thing about move being multiple parts is only arguing for the sake of arguing.

Show some real numbers about Kinect games selling 2-3 times the numbers that Move games do and you might be onto SOMETHING. God knows what you get even from that since what do we care about software numbers or even HW numbers for that matter?

If you x360 folks had been quiet about Kinect being the best there is and absolutely crushing Move in every possible way you wouldn't have to be this awkward when news like this pops up.

[sikbeta]

Sport Champions rock! best quality move title out there

[kikizoo]

ridiculous xboys misinformations, dedicated or not, when you can play with move, it's a move game (kz3, heavy rain, r3, etc : who has better games playable with motion control ?)...and for the "only move" ones, you have house of the dead, time crysis, sport champion, all the dances stuff, party games, a lot of puzzle, snooker, golf, all the fitness stuff, boxe, medieval, etc etc

edit : kinslayer 1/evil dead 0

byt he way, it's funny to see the buthhurt fanvoyz crying about "bububu navy counts as sales" when no ones knows if it's true...delusional/denial boyz in full fest.

[TheBlackMask]

Wow....all that money Microsoft put into Kinect when they could of used it for first party studios, new IPs or even something new and differen't......and for what, an early start in sales with Kinect. Now Sony is closing in it seems like a waste to be honest.

Sony played it cool and look whats happened, it's payed off for them in the end

EDIT@ mendicant

Yeah thats exactly what I got out of it, they are closing the sales gap meaning wasting all that money of Kinect was pointless, Sony has still caught up......sorry guess you wouldn't of liked it if Microsoft took 500 million and spent it on something benefiting you as a core gamer instead of the crappy casual audience......my mistake.

[Marquis_de_Sade]

Compare the cost of Move to Kinect. In fact don't bother, as at over double the cost, there's no point in comparing the cost of Kinect to Move.

[mendicant]

Man you're stupid. That's what you got out of this?

[maniacmayhem]

MS made a ton of money off of Kinect. That was their goal all along. It had nothing to do with widening or closing any gap with Sony's Move.

[FunAndGun]

The Tortise and the Hare.

[D3mons0ul]

Microsoft - Not really putting out games anymore
Sony - Still putting out games

It was only a matter of time.

[Goozex]

Sorcery trailer coming in dec. I have a move but haven't really used it lately but with a sharpshooter THAT might change my mind. Black fri gotta have it cheap somewhere.

[Hicken]

Ten bucks for a used one at any GameStop.

[Goozex]

Where? Gamestop says 30.00.

[Hicken]

I dunno about what it might say on the website, but at my store, we've got one sitting on the shelf with a ten dollar price tag on it... I hate putting price tags directly on merchandise.

[StrongMan]

Here's an interesting tidbit. Kinect is listed at 10 million shipped as of March 2011 but that number hasn't change since and it's 8 months later now.

[iamgoatman]

So he means to say that it stopped selling COMPLETELY? What an idiot.

[StrongMan]

Uh, no. This fact shows that Kinect hasn't sold to customers the 10 million that was shipped to stores 8 months ago.

[enfestid]

I think you've completely misunderstood the data. Microsoft hasn't updated the sales figures. Unless you honestly think they haven't shipped a single Kinect in that time.

[iamgoatman]

Exactly, comparing recent sales data for one device to outdated sales data for another just doesn't make sense. This is N4G after all, where all commonsense and logic is thrown out the window if it makes someones preferred inanimate object look superior.

[Ddouble]

Didn't Microsoft say it's still just over 10 million after the Kinect anniversary?
I remember all the articles including one from Major Nelson saying it's 10 million.

[OllieBoy]

They're both failing because people don't care about motion controls anymore. Look at how bad the Wii is doing these days.

[nasstyngg3r242]

i dnt own either move or kinect but when it comes to games i would buy the move wayy before i buy kinect, i do love the kinect intergration for the dashboard in the upcoming update though, skype and msn video chat mite get me to buy a kinect but not sure i wana pay 150 for a web cam.

[jthamind]

the only game i've used Move for was Resident Evil 5: Gold Edition. i loved it, and i couldn't imagine playing it with a controller now. but the only reason i even have Move is because it came in a bundle when i replaced my fat PS3 with a slim.

i have Killzone 3 but haven't played it yet. i've heard mixed reviews about Move+KZ3. is it worth it?

[Hapimeses]

Yes, it is. It took me a while to get used to it, but once I did, the Move blew the controller out of the water in terms of responsiveness and accuracy. Absolutely brilliant.

However, it took a while to get used to it.

[hesido]

I was so bad with the Move on KZ3. Not that my DS3 performance was spectacular, but I found Move too cumbersome for turning, couldn't get used to it. There are some people owning with Move, though.

[JoeReno]

Agreed. I played the story with Move on KZ3 and its a blast. Went back and played it again with a Duelshock and still great just wasn't as immersive. Move with the sharpshooter is great.

House of the dead overkill is also a lot of fun with move

[Hapimeses]

Both Kinect and Move have a decent trickle of software. The problem is that none of the titles are must-buy for either device. At all. In the slightest. This saddens me, as I have both control systems, and like each for different reasons, and hoped, given just how hard MS and Sony pushed them initially, that something more would come of them.

[king05]

Homerun Derby in MLB the show is a great enough of an excuse for me to use it.

[SDF Repellent]

Where are the datas to back up the claims and where are the sources. Also, remembered, Move count each controller and/or bundle as a unit sold as oppose to Kinect.

[StrongMan]

U mad bro?

[gaden_malak]

RRODs consoles are still counted as sales as well.
Who cares?

[DiRtY]

So this is a comparison of March sales of Kinect and recently published move numbers and we have an article saying something about closing the gap.

Awesome

[rob6021]

MS hasn't released figures since March, it's not hard to understand why.
Now why would higher ups at Ubisoft - a company that has sold the most on Kinect; cite that they're concerned it only sold 2 million in the last 10 months, unless there was some truth to that.

[DiRtY]

First sentence is an assumption with no proof whatsoever.
Look, MS sold.millions of Xbox 360s in the past 8 months and according to NPD numbers the Xbox sells at a highe pricepoint than the PS3.
http://www.destructoid.com/...

This is due to the Kinect bundles. So these bundles alone pushed more than 2 million Kinect sensors. Add the standalone sensors and you get the idea.

Another point is that every publisher wants every hardware manufacturer to cut the price and do everything to push as many units as possible. The same thing happened with Activision and Sony.

For this xmas focused sales: Are you kidding me? This has been the case for generations with every piece of hardware before. This is a seasonal business afterall.

[IAmCornHolio]

I like to stick my ears in my ears and yell "la la la!" when people try to tell me things I don't like to hear as well.

+bub and agree for you!

signed
fellow ostrich

[Gam3rSinceBiRTH]

Doesn't Sony count each piece as one sale?

Anyway I kinda enjoy the Dance games that Kinect has. Seeing my fat friends trying to dance like Michael Jackson is always good fun.

[WooHooAlex]

Those are some impressive numbers, they need to get some good games out tho.

I bought it for the LBP2 update. Looking for another one to play tho. Sorcery looks awesome, I hope that isn't too far out.

[HappyWithOneBubble]

Be patient guys. Sony will bring more Move games after they get Vita out I'm guessing. Sorcery will make Move shine and it will be the beginning of more great Move games.

[VampiricDragon]

kinect flopped. We all knew it would happen

[Mikefizzled]

Im confused how it flopped?
If it sold 10 milllion that means nearly 1 in 6 Xbox owners also bought it.

[evilunklebud]

I think you should look the term flopped up.....

But I do wish they would support it more with better software....

I have both, but not tremendously excited about either, although I suspect Kinect has higher potential.

[IAmCornHolio]

Yes, it flopped so badly that they are releasing a PC version of it. They are opening up the SDK for it.

Another area that it flopped is that TV manufacturers are lining up to add Kinect functionality to their TV's to replace physical remote controls.

Yeah, if flopped the same way, Windows 7, the iPhone, iPad and facebook all flopped.

Oh wait, my bad it is thanksgiving, not opposite day.

pshaww then you have no clue. Happy turkey eating day!

[BitbyDeath]

This should mean the end of the Move failed comments... but i doubt it. LOL

[SDF Repellent]

from the article:

Kinect quickly reached 8 million sold in 60 days and then hit the 10 million mark, but that was back in March. Meanwhile, Sony's Move has been selling at a slightly steadier clip and has recently reached the 9 million mark. As IndustryGamers' Steve Peterson points out in his special on Kinect, "The Kinect's weakness has been the sales pattern, where 8 million devices sold in 2 months, and then in the next 10 months only 2 million more devices were sold. This has led to some concerns."

Wait, so they are comparing Kinect March data with recent Move sales? And where did they pulled these imaginary data from? and according to my Math, Dec-March is not 10 months.

According to official sources from both companies, the last official known sales data were 10 million Kinect sold in March 2011 from Microsoft http://www.joystiq.com/2011...

and 8 million Move Shipped in April 2011 from Sony http://www.joystiq.com/2011...

Those are the only official sources available. So in reality, Kinect sold 10 millions to xbox owners in March and Sony shipped 8 millions Move to retailers in April. I will leave it at that.

[SDF Repellent]

LOL at the disagrees? I'd provided actual solid data from the horses mouths, not from random person pulling imaginary numbers out of thin air. If that is still not enough then hear what Sony has to say regarding the move a month ago in October.

"A Sony representative at GDC Online said today that Sony has shipped about 8.3 million PlayStation Move units worldwide." http://www.vg247.com/2011/1...

So let see. Sony claimed they had shipped 8 millions Move Unit in April and 6 months later, the total shipment is only 8.3 million? That is only 300K Move shipped in six months. It is coming straight from Sony so it has to be true, right? So where is this 9 million sold figure coming from?

[BitbyDeath]

MS stuffed the channels, that is why you are not getting more sales numbers from them.

Nobody reports sold to customer only sold to store/warehouses.

[enfestid]

People on N4G disagree based solely on their console affiliation, not on the actual comment quality. Xbox posts are filled with positive PS3 comments getting downvoted, and Playstation posts are filled with positive 360 comments getting downvoted.

'Tis the way of N4G.

[ClimateKaren]

Stop commenting on your disagrees, it's so pathetic. It's the only reason I disagreed with your second comment. "lol at the disagrees" is one of the most annoying things I see repeated on here. Especially since they're likely never actually laughing out loud, they're getting annoyed. Just say what you have to say and know that people won't agree.

[blackburn5]

Kinect might as well have no games. Kinect is exactly what everyone predicted it would be, a gimmicky way for Microsoft to make money. NOTHING Kinect has done is worthy of anything.Just because you have more apples and more then half of them are rotten doesn't mean anything.Nintendo at least did it right.

Microsoft is flailing wildly around hoping to hit a target. I laugh at them trying to make mature games. The hardcore have most likely stopped caring or returned Kinect by now. And most people who brought it, its probably for their girlfriend or child. Point your finger to shoot or match in place to walk or point to press a button? As if they care.

I laugh even more at people still trying to pretend that that the Kinect is more accurate then a controller and always going on about how it works when reviews say otherwise.'Oh look Fruit Ninja works, but any thing more complex falls flat on its face while Move can play full FPSs and strategy games.Meanwhile you have people pretending that dance games are so innovative, when it will probably die out like Dance Dance Revolution did ince people decided that it wasn't worth it 360 fanboys don't even bother to defend it. They just made a shooter for Kinect and it is already getting dismal scores.Big surprise

[Belasco]

Do you really care that much? Seriously?

[GraveLord]

I'm one of those suckers who got tricked into buying the Move. :/
No games have been release that interested me. If I play Killzone or Resistance 3 it will be with a Dualshock 3.

[InTheLab]

I don't follow. You say you're not interested in the games released for Move but plan on playing KZ3 and R3 with a duelshock. Why did you buy one if you're not going to use it?

[BitbyDeath]

Hope you took it as a lesson to look into what you buy from now on.

There is no reason to purchase anything without not knowing what it does.

[Hanilugtehul]

that makes no sense, why did you buy it if you not going to use it? Peace:-)

[KingSlayer]

It's pretty selective to exclude games with Move support patched in. They're still Move games and still better than most Kinect kiddie land games.

[Belasco]

You pretty much just demonstrated that it is comparing apples and oranges, so why even compare? It's utterly pointless.

[ForROME]

LOL @ Move. - Kinect dominated

[MultiConsoleGamer]

I was hoping this article would show up here.

First, the numbers cited for Kinect by this site do no match the numbers published in Microsoft's own financials.

The site does not mention the fact that Sony counts everything as a Move sale, this includes bundles, navi remotes, pack ins and standard Move controllers.

I know many Move owners like myself who purchased more than one Move remote to play games like sports champions.

So there it is... food for thought.

[BitbyDeath]

I also know a lot of people who purchased multiple 360's due to the RROD, does not make it any less of a sale.

[MultiConsoleGamer]

Apples and Oranges. Selling several products to one household is not the same as selling one product to one household. (IE, I purchased two navi controller and two move remotes. To Sony that counts as 4 sales. Meanwhile I only purchased on Kinect sensor.)

The spin machine is in full effect. This article is an agenda piece. It doesn't even try to tell the truth or paint an accurate picture of the true market. In fact it deliberately misrepresents the facts. I guess I shouldn't be surprised as the first place I saw this article mentioned was on NeoGAF (aka, the fanboy spin machine.)

Also just to play with your own words, I know several people who purchased multiple PS1 and PS2 systems because of the Disc Read Error Problem, does not make them any less of a sale.

See fanboy spin works both ways.

I don't care who is in the lead, in the end, gamers always win. I just want accuracy and an end to obvious bias in the media.

[BitbyDeath]

How do you know that they count Navi's as Move sales? I would have thought these would be counted seperately?

Also doesn't this just go to show that you shouldn't compare the two if they are so vastly different?

[Vickistheman]

Ahhhhh yes. The motion control craze is finally fading.

I guess people are finally realizing that Kinect is pretty much useless for anything other than Dancing games.

Move won't be a runaway hit unless it's bundled with EVERY ps3. Don't see that happening.

I'm pretty sure Move and Kinect were just cash cows for both companies.

[Neko_Mega]

360 users are just made because all they got is a web cam with limits, where PS3 got a cam and a controller (best of both worlds).

You can cry about what Sony counts as sales, but it doesn't matter because that is how it is counted. Not like Microsoft hasn't done something like that before >_>

[GoldenPheasant]

???

I wouldn't give two shits if Move was outsold by Kinect 100 to 1, what it comes down to is games and how they are played with said two devices.

bu bu but my kids like it...
...bu bu but where is Sorcery? Sorcery can kiss my ass, as I've played games that are in my opinion above and beyond what we saw years ago at THAT E3, ala KZ3. The same people that are banging the sorcery drum might as well be right out trolls, because they will be the same ones coming on here when Sorcery comes out saying..."oh its such a kids
game, such a gimmick, I've waited so lonnnggg for this..."etc etc.

What my choice of motion control needs is more 3rd party support from the likes of COD and Battlefield. Having said that the next game that I'm extremely excited for and having been hinted as having Sharpshooter support is Borderlands 2.

[Godmars290]

Really missing the point of you saying such a thing in regards to an article about a shrinking sales gap between the two.

[gypsygib]

Would anybody care which flop (games-wise) flopped more. I don't.

Both kinda suck.

[Gamerita]

anything Sony must be a million or two behind anything microsoft.

one day we will find out that actually the Ps2 was a million or two behind the orig xbox. lol

[devilhunterx]

The Oprah Effect only last 2 months? Hmmm

[DFresh]

Who cares?
Motion controls suck.
I'll stick to analog controller and Keyboard & Mouse any day.
I can't believe you'd argue about gimmicks that you don't even own just to brag and defend a f***ing company.
LMAO!
XD

[JellyJelly]

Any kind of source to back up his statement would be nice.

[pupa]

Considering that many Kinects are used by "third" parties for non X360 gaming and used for various other applications and the Move is only for the PS3 and gaming I would call it even steven for console gaming in general.

Maybe one day even I can find a use for a Kinect, like a door stopper? Just joking as its and excellent peripheral. Maybe Sony and M$ should team up and allow a Bluray on Xbox for a Kinect on PS3.

[OSIRUSSS]

What happened to all the people that wanted Darksouls to be move enabled? With all the grinding and farming you have to do in that game your arms would fall off. 40 hrs of swinging my arms doesn't sound fun at all.

[byrnezy]

Who cares?

[Akin0]

Infamous2 just got the move patch and its pretty awesome. Sony's got more first party Aaa titles that support it.

It's about the games theyre both very different. I'd rather play a dance game on kinect and I'd rather play a shooter with move. Gladiator duel on sports champions and the fight were great monpve games that aren't shooters.

I'd love if they did a Last Airbender game for Kinect. Could you imagine mastering all the tai chi bending moves?

[Hanilugtehul]

I have the move, and i think its great. Peace:-)

[gamer7804]

Kinect is still outpacing the Move, even outside holiday sales. The problem with sony's numbers is they are counting individual move controllers, which monetary value is far less than kinect and the playerbase needs multiples, probably about 4 per household on average if not more. For a games publisher this is important because you aren't getting 4 people who are potential customers with sony's numbers, you are getting only 1.

[bozebo]

Why and how? They are both pointless.

[Frankfurt]

Terrible article. Comparing march numbers (Kinect) to current numbers (Move) and pretending they mean anything.

Microsoft doesn't post numbers for HW every month. They'll do it again after Xmas, like always.

[Noticeably_FAT]

This is not accurate, we haven't had an update on Kinect since before E3. Not that I give a crap about numbers, but I'd also like to point out that if Move Sold 10 million, the install base certainly wouldn't be 10 million. Where as if there are 15 million Kinect's sold, the install base is 15 million.

ughhh I hate feeling trolled on Thanksgiving

[XDF]

It is pointless Bud. Fact + common sense on N4G does not mixed.

Just wait for the official figures after the Holiday and the truth will set them free.

[Noticeably_FAT]

Ya, I thought better of even commenting this article, but whatever.

I think after this Holiday season Kinect will be closer to 20 million sold and we'll hear more about it.

There are tons of sales going on, $199 Kinect/4 gig Xbox 360 consoles, and $99 Kinects with 3 games are going to push a ton this year.

[Nexy]

Both Move and Kinect should die a quick and painful death.

The more popular they are the fewer real games will be made in the future.

[Ace_Man_6]

I'm excited to see how BIOSHOCK Infinite is going to work this PS Move

[drsnobby]

I must ask 1 simple question,where are the numbers to back up this claim? if anyone can give a link to this information other than N4G and fanboy sites please do so.

[Game13a13y]

The 360 fanboys are forgetting one important thing, where is the $500 million marketing dollars behind Move? Yeah.... Thought so.

[artynerd]

I can sum up all of these comments in one sentence:

"Derrr, my console's useless accessory is selling more than your console's useless accessory!"

[Old McGroin]

Agreed! And well said!

[Old McGroin]

Who cares? They're both $h!TE anyway! Got a Move with my PS3 back in 2010 and haven't been impressed, also feel no urge whatsoever to get the Kinect, stick to pads people!

[SpinalRemains138]

Whats the deal with ppl complaining about Move counting the individual sales as multiple buys? Does the revenue not count? Is the second controller not purchased with money? Does SONY not make money?

Why does it even matter?

Why are sales being used toi decide which product is better? The cheaper product will always sell more units. That's economics. The cheaper product is always just that though too........cheaper.
It's like comparing a Pinto to a Cadillac.

[olLANDSHARKlo]

Sold my move, but the kinect gets regular use.

[zero_cool]

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Happy Thanksgiving Gamers & Happy Gaming!

[Dantheman1]

the PS4 controller will be will be like move but have dual analog sticks and dual pointers and tracked by a new eye-toy which can also be used like kinect

[HINDERIZATION]

Move wins because it's bought by it's fan base and not because of silly advertising like kinect. I'm sure if sony spent millions to advertise the move, it would be outselling kinect by a long shot.

[Ares90]

Move has been integrated in major titles and can be used from shooters (Killzone, Bioshock Infinite) to sandbox (Infamous) and the beloved LBP. The use of Kinect in games is very limited. Kinect Sports is the same as wii sports, nothing really changes and you only have to move your body in a static place. The best Kinect games is Dance central. The upcoming star wars game you only have to move your hands.