GTA V File Size: Three DVDs Not Enough For Xbox 360? (Analysis)

Pinoytutorial: After that leak confirming GTA V's map size will be "two and a half times bigger" than Red Dead Redemption, some players are asking if this ginormous map will fit under three DVDs for Xbox 360. Upon digging with past data from Rockstar’s previous games, we found a sound answer for this.

So do you think GTA V will need more than three DVDs for it to work? Show your comments below.

[THC CELL]

who said it was confirmed for xbox yet ? think about it

rockstar trailer has not said any platform yet and agent has sort of been hinted mp maybe sony cut a deal to get a gta before all

[Pandamobile]

You're kidding, right?

[Hydrolex]

I don't give a damn about Xbox and how many discs it is going to take

but I PROMISE YOU it will be at least 2 DISCS, or maybe a huge installation

in 2012, it's ridiculous to swap discs, I don't know how Microsoft didn't think ahead

[MasterCornholio]

@hydro

GTAV on 2 disks would be suicide due to its open world nature and a mandatory install would be impossible due to Tue arcades. Which is why the game will be highly compressed and will fit on one 360 disk.

XperiaRay

[Blogz4Fanboyz]

the usual stupid comments except from panda +bub.

microsoft and R* will not care. this will come with installation discs! and if you dont have a hdd, then you will be swapping simple!

[Angrymorgan]

Wouldn't be a big deal if it was 10 disks!
If it is multiple disks it would simply be like bf3 texture pack install, probably install part of the map. Textures etc etc and run from one main disk, so I wouldn't worry too much about it..........unless you got a 4gb hdd lol

[lastdual]

According to rockstar, It was the facial animation data that drove up the file size for LA Noire, not the world itself. If GTAV uses traditional capture tech, there's no reason to expect the game will take up as much space.

[ProjectVulcan]

GTA4 virtually maximised xbox 360's disc capacity when it came out in 2008. 6.8Gb was used. Part of the reason is GTA always has a lot of audio, voices, music, hours and hours of radio. Also the amount of individual different textures and models from characters to vehicles. There is still very much a tight limit on compressing audio down before the quality suffers. Skyrim is a different comparison.

I fully expect GTA5 to be on multiple discs in light of the size of GTA4 compared to the alleged size of this. Assuming they can fit the city on each disc they would probably separate the missions that would need disc swapping as you go along.

Back in 2008 Rockstar were commenting on how they struggled to fit GTA4 on one disc. So even with an extra 1gb it surely would not be enough.

[irepbtown]

It hasn't said any platform no,
but every GTA has been on Sony/Microsoft/PC(some, or atleast the later ones, SA, GTA IV etc).

So I think it's pretty obvious it will be on all three.

[mike_d_]

Oh gosh it's soooo hard to swap a disc.Get over it people.Are we really that lazy to where we can't even swap a disc now?

[buddymagoo]

I think it is a shame R* are limited by the DVD. Imagine if San Andreas was limited by the CD. They need to utilise the Blu ray to get the best possible results.

[Tuxedo_Mask]

@buddymagoo

San Andreas was on a DVD too. The PS2 and Xbox used DVDs.

[JaredH]

So the sales of LA Noire obviously show that the market on 360 gets cut in half because of arcade owners just because it's 3 discs? You guys are ridiculous...

I don't understand why changing discs is the biggest problem in the world since it takes me out of the game as much as the ps3 save game system does in atmospheric games like Dead Space and to be honest that's barely anything at all.

[Wenis]

Well, the trailer is up on the 360 dashboard. I don't think MS would be promoting a Sony/PC exclusive game on their console.

Also I am sure the game will be on more than 1 disc and most likely have an install (like BF3). Thankfully I just bought a 120GB hard drive for my slim for only $35. Saved about $80 by not buying the 'official' Microsoft hard drive

[CommonSense]

1) It's PS3 exclusive.
-Compromise audience
-Compromise sales
-It's being advertised on Xbox Live
Verdict: Highly Unlikely
2) They will load different sections of the map on 3 different discs.
-Limits quest lines
-Too much disc swapping
Verdict: Unlikely
3) They will load the entire map on each of the 3 discs and divide the game timeline (quests, cut-scenes, etc..) over 3 discs.
-Might need more than 3 discs
-The map, alone, might be too big for a single disc
Verdict: Possible
4) Microsoft and Rockstar will just take the hit in sales and require installation.
-Might alienate some of their audience
Verdict: Likely

MS will likely go for option 4 and throw together a bundle system and market the hell out of it.

[rabidpancakeburglar]

Don't be stupid.

It's not a surprise this if what is being said about the size and content of the game is true. They could always do what Bethesda have done with Skrim, compress it till it just can't be compressed further.

[SuperSaiyan4]

Why do that when they have around 7.8gb free on the 360 dvd? I think they have just compressed it down to that because like in Oblivion that was pretty small in size its just the way Bethesda are able to use 'tricks' with the visuals.

For example from a distance the environments in Oblivion looked breath taking for its time however when you went up close it was low rez textures and flat surfaces. Bethesda are very good at using an engine that tricks the eyes into seeing amazing when really up close its not its an illusion effect.

[lykaice]

If you'll check Rockstar's history of releasing triple-A titles, it loves Xbox 360 and PS3 dearly, making it highly inappropriate for them not to reveal the game on consoles especially for a mega game like GTA V.

[steve30x]

Your forgetting GTA 1 , GTA II and GTA London was'nt on consoles.

[Dark_Overlord]

@steve30x

Really?

I must not of owned them all on the PS1 then :/

[Persistantthug]

I owned the 2D (top down) GTAs on both my PS1 AND my Dreamcast.

Edit....here you go:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

[consolez_FTW]

"who said it was confirmed for xbox yet?"

yeah, we all know it's gonna be a wii exclusive!
/s

Seriously, why wouldn't it be on xbox. It's the GTA series. Of course it's gonna be for PC,Xbox, and Playstation like the last installment.R* is smart ya know.

[vsr]

I think It'll arrive on PS3 first , then Wii U & xbox720& PC simultaneously with enhanced graphics... It'll be a wise move

Cutting the games content for xbox360 DVD is a bad idea and a frustration for gamers

[KingofGambling]

@vsr that's a possibility there of PS3 getting it first.

[HALODST]

lmfao!!, gta4 sold more on the 360 so I doubt rockstar would be stupid enough to ignore the 360 market

[modesign]

it only sold 1 million more on the 360, rockstar doesnt care which console they sell more for retard, they care how much revenue as a whole can this title bring us.

[OcularVision]

Rockstar doesn't care about how many people own a certain console, simply because they MAKE people buy consoles. Playstation 2 would be a fine example of their influence.

[bozebo]

"Rockstar doesn't care about how many people own a certain console, simply because they MAKE people buy consoles. Playstation 2 would be a fine example of their influence."

Yep, GTA and FF were the main reasons I had a PS2. Then I also bought San Andreas on my Xbox because it had er, character shadows :/

If GTA4 was PS3 exclusive, I would not own a 360 right now. Pitty that the new FF games suck and aren't Sony exclusive anyway.

[Snakefist30]

The reason GTA sold more on 360 cause during that time ps3 cost 600 dollars and many people doesnt hav a ps3 thats why GTA sold more 360!!!

[Series_IIa]

All of that THC has damaged your head son.

[Dee_91]

woah woah woah
you can insult him all you want
but dont bring thc into this

[Motorola]

People who read this probably dont even know what THC is

[RankFTW]

I sooooooo know what THC is right now.

[HSx9]

My THC levels are High.

[r1sh12]

@thc cell.
Ofcourse its going to be on the 360, why would they limit the amount of money they could make?
I even think that this time the DLC will not be exclusive and will come out a little faster.
I think it was an interview with Dan houser who said the DLC was released too slow and the game had lost its appeal/steam hence the sales it got.
I dont think they would make a single platform DLC or game because they realised the potential of the money they could make.
These things are driven by the possible profits.

Edit: GOing back to the article, the game is expected some time 2012, and 2 discs could be enough but who knows. GTA has lots of data so maybe 2 discs for single player and 1 for multiplayer.
Either way Im sure by then most xbox 360 players will have hard drives

[DARK WITNESS]

they have put up the trailer on xbox live...

if that is not confirmation for you, you need to go see help, you been sniffing up the cells ass for too long.

[SnakeCQC]

sony are too cheap to go for such a deal they just like charging 20% higher for digital releases of games than their physical media counter part (sorry for rant was pissed off to notice that infamous 2 and battlefield 3 are 50 pounds each rather than 40 like in an actual store)

[Tuxedo_Mask]

I'm pretty sure that the developers are the ones who set the prices for their games on the PSN, not Sony.

[SnakeCQC]

It's funny how all first party and second party games are all 20% more expensive than their physical counter parts

[ksense]

love how u ignore the problem of game sharing and blame Sony for charging higher prices... u do know that people can download digital releases on 5 different consoles right which is basically 5 copies of the same game that 5 people got to enjoy.... they have recently changed their service agreement to make it only be 2 consoles per psn account so maybe we will start to see lower prices on digital releases.

[lumley666]

its the developers that do the price, they dont wanna scank the stores as if games wer the same price, the stores wud loose allot of sales. i read a story on this a while ago

[Gamer1982]

Disc swapping in this day and age is a failure. At least 360 gets around this in a way allowing you to install the disc but they still force you to put the disc in to confirm you own the game 0_o. So it still fails in that way :(. PC games have installs to get around and PS3 is on bluray. Wii has like 4 games on multiple discs and there all RPGs..

[princejb134]

2 disk 3 disk 4 disk who cares, just release a great game which everyone can enjoy

[TheBlackMask]

So like L.A Noire, PS3 owners and maybe PC owners if it's released at the same time...will suffer because of the 360s stupid DVD disc format.

How is this fair, if they can do more on the PS3/PC then why cut it out and sell it to us as DLC later. They did this with L.A Noire for PS3 owners...they said themselfs or Team Bonid did that they cut content from the PS3 when they went MP, it wasn't even half way through development and they had to cut it from 6 discs to 3, and all that content that PS3 owners could of had were made to pay for it as DLC or get it as pre order bonuses.

[kaveti6616]

Let's take your logic one step further.

If they can do more on the PC, why limit themselves to the PS3?

[Marquis_de_Sade]

Agreed kaveti, I find it most amusing how some PS3 owners will try and group themselves with the PC gamers. I'm a PS3 only owner and I'm under no illusion that the PS3 is only marginally more powerful (than the 360) at best and not in the same league as a top of the range PC.

[palaeomerus]

Rockstar/2K sold about 18 million copies of GTA IV. 9 million were on the 360, 8 million where on the PS3 and an little under one million were on PC.

Do you chumps SERIOULSY think that they'll walk away from a potential 9 million sales(more than half of console sales) just to kiss Sony's butt with an exclusive? LOL.

Meanwhile LOTS of open world games fit on one DVD:

GTA IV, Just Cause 2, Prototype, Crackdown, Crackdown 2, Oblivion, Assassin's Creed/ 2/ Brotherhood, Fallout 3, Fallout New Vegas, Red Faction: Guerilla, The Saboteur, Batman: Arkham City

[hadouken007]

This Guy thinks DVD is the future, its time to jump out of the DVD era, be it blu-ray or digital download or whatever . How much are we losing out with this dlc, and compression crap?

[vortis]

Let's also note that GTA IV had to be cut-down and compressed (The Darkness also had to be cut-down and compressed) in order to fit on one disc.

Just Cause 2 is only 4gig, doesn't even have a quarter of the stuff you could do or see in GTA IV. Basically it's just a lot of big open areas with terrain textures and recycled buildings. Yeah, that's what we all want from GTA V, right?

Crackdown 2, Prototype and Red Faction all fit within the same context as Just Cause 2. Arkham City didn't have vehicles, Euphoria or a ton of other open-world stuff. The Saboteur was also a lot linear than GTA IV.

All in all dude, you make some horrible examples and comparisons and back it up with no facts and poor logic. Then again, you only have one bubble so I guess that makes sense.

[bmw489]

the world said

[Jamzluminati]

Thanks a lot Microgamers.

[_Aarix_]

Hey CELL, good to see you buddy. CELL hows it going, CELL

[bozebo]

Open world game with multiple disks :S

LA Noire didn't let most of the disk space be reserved for the environment, but I can't see how the environment wouldn't be the major cause of the game needing to be on multiple disks for GTA5 considering they are not using MotionScan. So essentially, if it isn't on 2 or 3, maybe even 4 disks on 360 - then the DVD limitation has broken yet another game that could have been amazing.

But how can an open world game be stored on multiple disks if the entire environment won't fit on one disk?

Maybe there is an extremely low poly and low res texture world on the main disk and the other disk installs 10GB worth of data for 360 users, sort of like what BF3 did.

[TheXgamerLive]

using similar compression techniques as they did in skyrim and not having to use the facial animation code as in la noire, simply put GTA V will use 1 dvd. 1. It's an open world game w/o stop and swap disc.

disc swapping would force it to be more like Rage, "unless" in game you let's say fly to another area on a map, then they could have that content on disc 2 b/c it wouldnt be a simply drive to go back to where you were. So, probably 1 dvd and maybe 2.

[farhad2k8]

I just hope the PS3 version isn't hacked down in any way because of MICROSOFTS FAILED ATTEMPT AT A CONSOLE.
Why should we PS3 owners suffer, for their lack of hardware.
The XBOX 360 is a horrible console in every aspect, look how well games come out when they arn't ported over to the PS3.. Uncharted vs CoD, Killzone vs BF3. If they were actually designated to the PS3, they would come out the same. But due to the 360's SHIT hardware, we have to suffer. Developers piss me off.

[Laxman]

You post a lot of terrible fanboy comments, but this one takes the cake. You have absolutely no knowledge of the games industry.

[Megaton]

While yes, in the past Rockstar has claimed that Microsoft needs to figure out some solution to storage limitations that plagued GTAIV if they want GTAV on their platform, I've got no doubt they're gonna release it on the 360. Just hope it comes on multiple discs so they don't have to cut tons of content.

[supremacy]

The game obviously has to come to the 360.

If this game became a ps3 exclusive or a timed exclusive it could have a dire impact on the 360. This game is one of those game changers in the industry, MS I am sure has something figured out.

[AliTheBrit420]

hahahaha yeah thats likely

"hey guys, I know we enjoy selling copies, but here's an idea

Lets, Intentionally block out MILLIONS of day one sales and tens of millions following in the coming years"

"WHY? WHY you say? because sony fanf@gs thats why, obviously"

[dcortz2027]

I'm laughing at all the Xbox idiots who said that Blu-Ray wasn't needed and that it was going to fail, what now b*tches!

[HATE506]

LMAO, look at all the damage control from all these M$ Corporate C*ck Suckers

[showtimefolks]

I think gta4 will be on one disk for single player and other for MP. And people act like changing a disk is so hard I mean even if it's on 3 disks that 1disk eve 3hrs

[2pacalypsenow]

It sucks to do it on BF3 And its GTA 5 not 4

[SkylineR]

Of course it'll come to Xbox 360. Why would Rockstar make it PS3 time-exclusive when it's sold more on Xbox? No, sorry. :p

Also, the article is retarded. LA Noire was on 3 discs because of the facial animation recordings, and not because of the map size. Talk about not knowing what you're talking about.
Personally I do predict a multi-disc scenario for the 360 version, but not anything over 3 discs.

[Legion]

THC CELL hasn't a clue!

The disk won't be more then 2 disks. The article is assuming 3 or more disks only due to comparison with LA Noire which he shouldn't as GTA V will not have anything code wise related to LA Noire.

[Dante112]

I seriously hope it won't be more than three discs.

[C0MPUT3R]

I hope its on 6 DVD discs so we get a full Blu-ray disc worth of content.

[Voxelman]

Maybe they should give Bethesda a call...

[Paradicia]

Yeah :L 3.8gb of an install size on the 360 version. Compression gods!

At the most I can see them using 2 discs, which isn't too steep. The reason L.A Noire took up so much space was because of the facial mo-cap. The city itself was essentially empty with no real interaction bar side missions and main missions.

[AliTheBrit420]

Other way around, hell the snowy parts of Red Dead Redemption look better than Skyrim, plus you can bet Skyrim will end up with boat loads of draw distance and popping in issues on the consoles.

[Shadonic]

That leaked map was a fake.

[ufo8mycat]

Entering Los Santos - Please insert Disc 1
Entering Hollywood- Please insert Disc 2
Entering Countryside - Please insert Disc 3
Going back to Hollywood - Please insert Disc 2

At least 360 people will get a lot of exercise :)

[Paradicia]

Skyrim is 3.8gb on 360 and on one disc. Spare us the fanboy ignorance.

[GamersRulz]

can you imagine what would a 50 gb Skyrim looks like.

[Gamer1982]

So they cut the console version then? 3.8GB? Then its smaller than Oblivion.. Smaller than GTA IV too.. Obviously made cuts for 360. When are devs just gonna cut out 360 and FORCE MS to up there storage media or make a workaround? I mean I don't want 360 gamers to lose out but MS won't do a damn thing about it unless devs do something first.

[irepbtown]

What makes you think R* will compress it like Skyrim?

I just dont think R* would want to compress the game making it worse just to fit it on one disc (I am not for a single second saying Skyrim is bad, heck i'm dying to play it, cant wait). 2/3 discs isn't bad, I think it will be more like.

Disc 1- Singleplayer (maybe this split into 2 discs).
Disc 2- Multiplayer

^ that would be a wise option.

[NEW-AGE]

Thank You, $60 for 3.8GB seems unappealing , im switching my skyrim preorder to Saints Row 3 then

[KaBaW]

Yeah, it would be cool. But, even if it was PS3 exclusive; it wouldn't happen.

[Gam3rSinceBiRTH]

A 50GB skyrim? Would be nice. But expect a game of that size to be released in about 8 years.

[gMemo92]

Well they could just cut graphics. Instead of adding the newer shaders and the new effects. They could just add in Grand Theft Auto: 4 graphics. That way the game does not take up alot of GB and makes it possible to fit in One Disc.

Now for the PS3 version. That version will have the newer engine graphics. All in one Blu-Ray Disc. Like always :P.
And Succeced in sales like .. well.. always :P. Be the king of graphics once again. Actually. The Superior version again.

So. Yeah. It would be a good idea just to be on the good side to avoid developing it on the 360. Just for PS3 and PC.

[Paradicia]

Disc size has nothing to do with graphical technology. I've never heared such BS in my life.

[SDF Repellent]

You can always count on these article to spot out the ignorant, die hard fanboys. They will defend their system of choice to no end with made up propaganda.LOL

[Blogz4Fanboyz]

lol @ gMemo92. that was some quality reading there!

i have a tip, go and get a clue ey!!

[bozebo]

"Disc size has nothing to do with graphical technology. I've never heared such BS in my life."

er.... the better a game's graphics are - the higher resolution it's textures are likely to be.

Textures are usually the largest contributor to disk space usage.

Yes, disk space is nothing to do with graphical technology - but it does limit the amount of uniquely textured/modelled game resources that can exist and moreso when the engin/platform is able to pump out higher resolution textures.

Morrowind and San Andreas could be so large on a DVD because they had low res textures (and all the other game resources obviously used less space). The same games could not fit onto one DVD this generation if their graphics were up to scratch.

Why do you think BF3 had the optional texture install for 360? Could it be.... disk space!

Disk space barely matters for linear games. But I am not sure how they are going to handle the limitation for GTA5. Maybe they will do what they did with GTA4 and just cut loads of content :/

[Persistantthug]

576p gameplay on the XBOX 360, because of DVDs.

It's really dependent on a several factors....such as the size of the game in question and how many disks said developer/publisher is willing to press up for said game as well.

So in some instances, DISK SIZE can and does impact graphical fidelity and resolutions.

[kaveti6616]

"Textures are usually the largest contributor to disk space usage."

Nope. Audio and pre-rendered cutscenes are.

Secondly, graphical output is determined by RAM. Does the PS3 have more RAM than the 360? No.

Therefore, the PS3 can only render a texture at the same resolution that the 360 can render it in. Both games render at a max texture resolution of 512 by 512.

Textures are stored on the disc in compressed formats, no matter what. Even for PC games, textures are compressed. The compression techniques used today are very impressive. Minimal quality loss occurs, and since the PS3 and 360 can't render at higher resolutions, players can't see that loss.

Blu-Ray means absolutely nothing for graphics. That's already been proven. Blu-Ray would simply hold lossless audio and higher resolution cutscenes, but in-game textures would be the same.

[Aloren]

@Persistanthug : "576p gameplay on the XBOX 360, because of DVDs. " ?

Really ? As far as I know, the resolution of the game has nothing to do with DVDs, it's more than likely due to the fact that it was a port, hence the engine wasn't optimized for the 360. Other than that, you can perfectly reduce the quality of textures and still manage a 720p resolution. If you have a pc, you can perfectly play in 1080p with medium textures, it doesn't take any more disk space than playing in 800x600 with the same medium textures.

IMO They went 576p in gameplay for framerate reasons, not cause of dvds (it's different with the prerendered cinematics though, where compression was needed).

[gMemo92]

Just so you know. I'm not a troll.

[SDF Repellent]

gMemo92 pevious trol..I mean posts. I believed you.

"Just like i expected. The PS3 Version will be the superior version once again. Against 360 that is. Not PC. This really make me happy. Thank You Bethesda. I love you. Take that 360 fanboys. #25"

"What the hell are you all talking about? Fallout 3 on PS3 was better. It was Oblivion repeated again. Don't deny it 360 fanboys. You just say that so you can feel happy. :P. Plus the Oblivion GOTY came in one disc. And Fallout 3 GOTY also came in one disc. I prefer that. :P #23"

"Good news for me. I'm buying it on PS3. I think this guys (Bethesda) are trying to hide something. Why would they say that they have gotten it to fit on the 360 Disc it's dumb. Somehow i think they took off stuff. Maybe graphics. Textures,bits of stuff that will not be present on the 360 version. Because of the DVD. The PS3 version in the other hand will be better "PS3 Version Getting lot of Attention" Maybe improved graphics way better than the 360 Version. I just glas so g... #22"

[Paradicia]

Hilarous Quotes @ SDF Repellent

[arnyftw]

Yeah so they're trying to hide something because of one disc? The pc version is 6 GB and Skyrim on PS3 will be max 4GB too.

[irepbtown]

'Hey guys, f*ck (insert console),

(Insert console)IS THE BEST MAN'.

Um guys, i'm not trolling...

[DARK WITNESS]

if it sounds like one..

smells like one..

Talks crap like one..

[Jakkal]

Hey newfag, stop being such a random.

[rattletop]

they could do something like what dice did with BF3

[bozebo]

this ^

[pucpop]

If I wanted to swap disks I would play Willy Beamish on my Amiga.

[Pootangpie]

spreading this right? oh wait of course u don't you too busy having a stick up your ass

Fallout 3 on PS3 was better.

you lost me there every major site said fallout 3 was a wreck on the PS3 nice try

[ForROME]

Yes xbox screwed the pooch with the arcade version; the no hard drive killed the ability to force an install on a consumer

[kaveti6616]

Microsoft has not yet catered to the 4gig arcade version of the console.

With Halo Reach, players who only had the 4gig version were unable to play certain modes of the game.

With Battlefield 3, players with the 4gig version were unable to install the 1.5gig high-res textures.

I don't believe that Microsoft is going to force Rockstar to cater to the 4gig crowd. If Rockstar doesn't mind paying the royalty fees on the extra discs to have the game the way they want it, then Rockstar will spread the game across multiple discs and players will be able to install the extra discs on their hard drives and play off of one disc.

If 4gig owners complain, Microsoft will just tell them to purchase a hard drive. And I'm sure no one will disagree that MS would like nothing more than for people to buy hard drives.

[ARTISAN]

if anything you would think ms would want R* to make a install so that 4gb players have to buy hard drives and get money. but that would piss a lot of people off so idk =P

[Droid Control]

If Skyrim can fit on one disc, why not GTA 5?

2 should be enough. I'm really getting tired of disc swapping though. It was an annyance on RAGE and LA Noire I can tell you that. Its not too bad when its a liner game, but when you want to back track, and you have to keep swapping discs, then it becomes a problem.

If M$ won't give us a 720, then the least they can do it give us a blu-ray 360. And then let consumers decide if they want to pay the extra or not.

[_Aarix_]

Forget about Blu-ray. Why not just have the ability to install disc 2 or disc 3 to the hard drive and just put in disc 1 and for people without harrddrives to just swap discs.

[Adolph Fitler]

What a surprise...... They should just make it a PS3 & Wii-U exclusive. Problem solved.
This way Rockstar can put total effort into exploiting some of the PS3's stronger attributes.

Now I know 360 only owners are gonna shoot me down & call me the fanboy.....but the fact is, I have nothing against the 360, in fact I own one & think it has some awesome games on it, & I think the slim machines are the best looking machines on the market (aesthetically). When PS3 1st released against the bigger, older, 100% fault riddled 360's, the PS3 looked better in that shiny, dust collecting black, but then they mini-me'd the PS3, but took away the shiny plastic in favour of matt black, rough surface, as well as abandoning the awesome chrome stripes & face plate near disk tray.....Then 360 released there slim 360 in black, smooth, shiny plastic (like PS3 previously was), & it looks sh!thot. So no disrespect to that machine or it's more "passionate" owners.

All I'm really saying is that Rockstar seem to have some kind of weird favouritism towards Sony & PS3, as evidenced with the $50million MS GTA4 exclusive content deal that eventually allowed said $50million dlc to arrive on PS3, & even shortly after the deal was announced, it was only like a day or 2 later, Rockstar revealed that they were giving PS3 owners an exclusive whole new IP (I think it was said to be LA Noire in early days, but shifted to Agent, as LA Noire became a multiplat for some reason....now I would'nt be surprised if Agent goes multiplat).

It just seems logical for Rockstar to shift Agent to multiplat, & instead just make GTA5 the PS3 exclusive promised to PS3 owners by Rockstar instead.
It would be good to see Rockstar put some extra development muscle, money & skill into tapping into PS3's less pc-esque infrastructure. I mean, Max Payne 3, Agent, etc, are some pretty nice titles for 360 & due to more linear type nature (in Max Payne's case anyway), & will keep 360 owners busy along with all the other developers sweet recently released & upcoming 360 exclusive & multiplat titles.
Go hard with GTA5 on PS3, & then port it to Xbox720 when it released next year.

[Series_IIa]

Then in that case, keep it on the PC only.

5 year old tech, slow Blu-Ray to hinder texture loading, no mods, sub HD resolutions on a so called HD console...

Dev it for PC then degrade the crap out of it to fit on the OAP consoles.

[irepbtown]

Just like to say,
There are games that do 1080p 60fps, e.g. Wipeout HD. I'm not saying PS3 is better than PC because it obviously isn't, there are new better faster PCs out every year. I'm just saying PS3 has potential, you just need the right Devs.

Anyway, I think a much wiser option would be to not port anything, so they can maximise each consoles potential. So if the 360 needs to add thing/take away, they can, and same for the other 2.

[SDF Repellent]

"Anyway, I think a much wiser option would be to not port anything, so they can maximise each consoles potential. So if the 360 needs to add thing/take away, they can, and same for the other"

I really don't know what to say. Comments like this and others in this post or anything GTA DVD related are so out there my side is hurting from trying to hold back my laugh and typing at the same time. LOL

[bozebo]

Yeah. Why complain about one console holding another back when they are both holding PC games back, and a LOT more than the 360 is holding the ps3 back.

[hadouken007]

No mention of 360,or Wii faults right?

[DARK WITNESS]

the trailer is already on xbox live, why would thye put it on there if the game is not coming to the 360..

Some people are really desprate, why i don't know.

[Blastoise]

TL;DR Old PS3`s are shiny

[Awesome-Xanto]

First comparing GTA 5 to LA Noire is stupid because it was the facial technology that caused it to need three disc, not the map or amount of characters or graphics, so if GTA 5 is not using it then the size wil not compare to LA Noire.

Second it will come down to compressing, and compressing games has came a long way since GTA 4... If Skyrim can be compressed to fit on one disk, chances are so can GTA 5.

So it's near impossible to tell at this point how many disk it will need....

[YodaCracker]

You're right about L.A. Noire. The map appeared in its entirety on all three discs. It was the MotionScan facial animation technology that took up all the space.

[vortis]

Those fuzzy texture blops in Skyrim say hello.

Rockstar could compress the crap out of the game but be prepared to look at horrible terrain textures, the same NPCs over and over again, and terrible geometry quality (which actually does take up a lot of memory).

IF GTA V is supposed to be all that then expect it to look like PS2 San Andreas if everything is gonna fit on one DVD.

[Awesome-Xanto]

Skyrim looks great, so I'm not sure what your looking at...

You seem to think that GTA 5 is going to be huge in size (on disk) when it reality it is likely to only be slightly bigger than GTA 4 which didn't even fill up the DVD which was before MS expanded by a GB. Graphics and textures actually take up very little space... its voice and huge cutscenes that take a lot of the space on the disk. It's all in how its optimized, good developers will be able to compress the game without losing much quality.

Again it's near impossible to tell at this point how many disk it will need, and saying that game will look like PS2 San Andreas clearly shows how much knowledge you have on the subject.

I'll wait for Rockstar to confirm it before I start believing something that is thrown out there with no support to back it up...

[XDF]

Man, What took N4G so long to post another one of these X360 holding back PS3 greatness article. Shame Sh!t, different game to b!tch about.

1. There was one for Skyrim. "Skyrim Will Fit On 1 Disc for Xbox 360"
http://n4g.com/news/833174/...

Turns out the Skyrim takes up less than 4gb and PS3 version was never shown.

2. There is another one for Dark Souls. "Dark Souls Has Similar Quality On Both PS3 And Xbox 360"
http://n4g.com/news/855856/...

This was started because a former exclusive game went multiplat. Oh, the sequel to Demon's soul is doom because they need to cut out things to please the X360 but failed to realized that the original Demon's Soul was only around 5.8gb on PS3.

This is pure comedy with all the stops the fanboys are pulling just to make themselves feel better even before any real information or size of the game are even reveal.

[NYC_Gamer]

the 360 won't hold back the quality/size of grand theft auto .R* would put 5 two disc if that's what it took to get their vision of how the game should be....

[vortis]

Yeah man...when I'm running from the cops and I drive across the bridge, I'm gonna keep one controller in one hand and get the disc with the other.

This way when I swap discs every time I go to a new area I'll have the controller ready so I don't crash off the bridge.

[cvflyboy]

I agree they do force these articles a bit. But it is only because of the 360 really did mess up the quality of games this generation. this DLC BS and games being scaled down like gta 4 because of disc space is hurting all of us as gamers.

[XDF]

You do know the DLC BS is not exclusive to X360 right? See Killzone, Uncharted, Little Big Planet..they all have paid DLC for you to buy. Speaking of scaling down, as i recalled, both GTAIV and Red Dead redemption runs slightly more scaled down on PS3 compared to the other console version.

"Confirmed: GTA IV PS3 Is Not 630p..It's 640p" http://n4g.com/news/140672/...

"Red Dead Redemption sub-HD on PS3" http://n4g.com/news/525541/...

Since the PS3 has so much disc space, why can't R* add extra texture and resolution to make their PS3 port full HD comnpared to the space constraint DVD and inferior hardware of the X360? Hmmm...I bet you will see the same thing with GTAV.

There, those are real proofs with real live test and information not some made up fantasy conspiracy theory from some religious cult.

[cvflyboy]

Ok gloves off.. It is a multi platform game so the games have to look visually almost identical on both systems. they are not gonna be able to make a gta game with graphics that can not be handled on a 360 console because that would mess up the sales and the contract Microsoft has with rock-star. Please dont forget that gta4 was made at a time when developers fucked up on almost every multi plat form game because the ps3 was still considered new tech and most games were being made for the 360 and then ported to ps3. If gta was still a sony exclusive do you really think the graphics wouldnt be on a diffrent level like GOW3, U3,KZ3,GT5, and a shit load of other games I don't feel like naming now? so stop it bro. Let me give a link out of rock stars mouth about the 360 limiting the progress of GTA4

http://www.computerandvideo...

"Checkmate" dont play urself noob

[XDF]

I don't need to take my gloves off. I let common sense do all the talking.

"If gta was still a sony exclusive"
The GTA series was never a Sony exclusive (Timed but not full exclusive), it was also on PC and the Original Xbox. That is like saying Bioshock and Mass Effect 2 was full X360 exclusive but of course not, since they were both timed. Oh, BTW, the original Xbox GTA3 pawned the PS2 versions.

"If gta was still a sony exclusive do you really think the graphics wouldnt be on a diffrent level like GOW3, U3,KZ3,GT5, and a shit load of other games I don't feel like naming now?"
Yea, I can named a few for you. Valkyria Chronicles, Yakuza, Demon Souls, Haze. Wow those games would be toally impossible on X360! eyes roll

And finally, aboiut your little link from Rockstar themself. Why don't you add in this piece from the article "The difficulties aren't limited to working on Microsoft's box, as Houser explains that "both have enormous challenges" and that "both have their own particular pleasures and pains."

Checkmate?, it looks more like you need you head and attitude check. LOL

[Tuxedo_Mask]

Hey guys, developers are like politicians when it comes to PR, especially mulitplat developers. Do you really think they're going to say anything bad about either console?

If they knock the PS3, PS3 gamers won't buy their game, remember Enslaved? If they knock the 360, the same thing might happen, and considering the install base in the US and the rumors that MS pay developers for things like early DLC I don't think any of them are going to bite the hand that feeds them.

If you like the 360, that's fine, but it does have limitations. If you like the PS3, that's fine too, but don't expect multiplat devs to push it to the limits the way that exclusives do.

[mrmancs]

GTA V File Size: Three DVDs Not Enough For Xbox 360? (Analysis).. should have bought a ps3 :)

[XDF]

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[cvflyboy]

bro u got owned just take it like a man.. my first post said how "games were being scaled down because of 360 disc space". the article is about gta5. I then gave you a link out of rockstars own mouth saying the dvds are limiting the game. I then give you exclusives that graphically can not be handled on the 360 and what do you do in return? You list a bunch of games that are not impressive at all and say that they can be played on 360. Like no shit they can be played on 360 those games suck. xD.. get real bro we both know 360 has nothing touching the games I listed, I bet you cant name me one game on 360 that even comes close with out looking like an idiot on here. oh yea I listed the whole article so everyone can read it for themselves so why take quotes from it?

[XDF]

I don't know where to start, you are so full of it.

"the article is about gta5. I then gave you a link out of rockstars own mouth saying the dvds are limiting the game."
OK, if the article is about GTA5 or we are just talking about GTA5, then why you gave me a link from 2007 about GTA4? Self Pawned, LOL.

"I then give you exclusives that graphically can not be handled on the 360 and what do you do in return? You list a bunch of games that are not impressive at all and say that they can be played on 360."
Hey you said it yourself ''I have ashit load of other games I don't feel like naming now" And yet you mentioned the usual suspects like KZ and Uncharted but didn't list any third party exclusives to the PS3 to back up your claim. So I listed for you to the best of my knowledge. If GTA series is third party, why shouldn't I use a third party PS3 exclusive as a benchmark. Oh, I am insulted, Demon's Soul and Valkyria Chronicles are two of the best games on PS3 period. Ask every true PS3 owners and they will all agreed with me. And you are dissing them for that sake of trying to win the argument? How lame.

And this one takes the cake. "get real bro we both know 360 has nothing touching the games I listed, I bet you cant name me one game on 360 that even comes close with out looking like an idiot on here."
Hey, that sounded just like the 99% of the PS3 fanboys here on N4G. Congratulation, you officially just been exposed as the troll you really are. Good nite.

[GraveLord]

Don't worry people, I'm sure Microsoft payed Rockstar to limit GTA V to the 2-3 DVDs.

[DevilishSix]

I mean really, come on man! Some of the largest games this gen have been on one disc and looked just fine. Dead Island is 3.9 gb and looks just fine. Skyrim is 6gb and looks great for the hardware its running. There was more space on the DVD-9 inhanced disc but they didn't use it cause they didn't need to.

There is very limited RAM and older cpu's and gpu's in the PS3 and 360. You can load in more data, but the results will be the same based on the tech its running on.

I see alot of fanboy talk coming from both sides, but the reality is that we need newer tech consoles end of story.

I am ready to begin the next gen and see what can be created on that canvas.

[Drabent]

Parents bought there kids a 360 intead of ps3 cause it was cheaper...now we have to put up with crap like this><. Plz do not lessen the game for ps3 users just give them other boys and girls 10 disc since they claim disc swap doesn't bother them anyway.

[TheBlackMask]

Why are people being called fanboy or a troll for stating the obvious

PS3 owners and maybe PC owners don't want to have a dumbed down GTA game when they could of done so much more if the 360 had a disc format like the PS3s.

I have both consoles but I still want to get the most out of a GTA game and so I don't need to pay for DLC later with the cut content in it...does that make me a fanboy ?

[TheDivine]

Thats retarded. If your trying to say the game will be worse because ms doesnt use bluray your smoking some good stuff. Bluray is bigger, thats the only advantage. Most games are under 6gb so that advantage is really a mute point. Most likely gta5 will be under 8gb and one disk but even if the game took more they could add more disks and the game is still the way it wouldve been if ms used bluray also. The only people who would notice anything is people who would have to switch disks so really the only people who have a right to complaign would be 360 owners. Crying about how a game will be less on ps3 because its more disks on 360 is illogical and stupid as hell. They will make whatever they want and if it takes one disk or 3 it will be whatever they intended. I will LMAO when its announced on one disk.

[Bleach]

The 360 is holding Rockstar North back, the loss of sales would be dramatic i know but at least on PS3 they could achieve what they wanted to.

[Awesome-Xanto]

It's funny that fanboys here want to complain about the 360 holding back Rockstar, yet we get this crap from them on the PS3, a blurry mess with worse graphics and less detail:

http://www.lensoftruth.com/...

The truth is Rockstar knows where most of there sales come from... the 360. Like it or not there going to make sure that the 360 is the same as the PS3, if not better. Rockstar is not going to care what you guys think, no matter how much you want to complain because the 360 will sell a lot more.

I find this whole article rather comical to be honest... trying to predict things that can't even be predicted and comparing it to something that shouldn't even be compared. LA Noire vs GTA 5? Really? Most people know that reason LA Noire took 3 disk because of the facial technology and nothing else.

If Skyrim can give us great graphics and hundreds of hours of game-play on a single DVD disk... everyone else "should" be able to too.

[TXIDarkAvenger]

Well if its more then 1 disk, then I don't mind installing it on my hard drive.

[FlareDReborn]

Well if ps3 has nothing else over xbox..We dont have to swap disc at least.

[PS3gamer4life]

Nobody want multi disk games thats stupid ps3 1 disk 360 3 disk

[ZBlacktt]

Las time I had to swap disc was playing MGS1 on the PS1. Back in 1998...very srs. I still own the console and that game.

[Funky Town_TX]

Then hy was Infamous so small. It was an open game that as on blu-ray. Infamous was smaller than saints row, an open game that was not on PS3. GTA will be GTA, and lets take bets that the 360 version will look and run better than the PS3 version.

[esemce]

Cheap B4stards need to buy a hard drive ffs!

[Snowii]

minimum 2 discs

oh microsoft :(

[Clarence]

If the 360 version needs multiple DVDs lets get it done. As long as GTA5 is not held back on the PS3 version.

[darthaq]

as long as xbox doesn't interfere with the quality of the game, i dont care how many disks it takes on xbox

[MultiConsoleGamer]

This article is nothing but fanboy bullshit. And I truly feel sorry for the people who argue this sort of nonsense.

The only Rockstar game to use multiple discs on the 360 was LA Noir. And aside from being purposely gimped*, the only reason it used so many discs was because its almost entirely FMV. You would think anyone doing a comparisson like this would point that out. But obviously the writers have no idea what they are talking about, or they clearly had a fanboy agenda. (It's the latter, trust me.)

(* = sloppy ports are something that has also plagued the PS3.)

The game will be on one disc. It will use Microsoft's expanded DVD format. (I'm sure you've heard about it.) And the version you see in the trailer is not the PS3 or the 360 version.

And that's all I'm going to say...

[kingPoS]

For a moment let just forget about disc size & disc swaping.

Now does anybody remember the legacy GTA games that came before GTA III.

I'd pay good money to see GTA 1-London & doom-final on the psn store. I'm not sure how the 360 would recive them as MS never had a ps1 equivalent.

[ZBlacktt]

Blu-ray and the PS3 once again showing it's true potential.

[SephirothX21]

It will be on at least two discs where the map is on all discs but the other content such as missions, cutscenes etc. is spread across the discs like LA Noire. This allows them to stick a big map in the game. Remember, the Los Santos in this game will be quite different from that in San Andreas. This time, it will be much bigger and a lot more like LA. I think the map will be twice Liberty City in GTA IV if not bigger.

[fragnificent]

DID NONE OF YOU GUYS HEAR!!!
you get a free 8gb memory stick with the rest of the game on it.
Exclusivly For Xbox360.
lol

[zero_cool]

Something tells me rockstar games is going to pull a gta 4 on us again!

P.S...Everybody should of saw this one coming lolz!

Cheers Gamers & Happy Gaming!

[Simco876]

It's 1998 again!!!

[2pacalypsenow]

Dont matter to me im getting this on PS3 . Hey that rhymes :D

[Gam3rSinceBiRTH]

Sure are a lot of ill informed gamers on here. When has disc swapping ever been a problem? It never bothered me. Currently their are no games that has ever needed more than a few disc swaps in the entire campaign. Mass Effect 2 needed 2 or 3 swaps in about 20 hours of gameplay. Not a problem at all.

GTA4 was big enough. Making it any bigger isn't going to make the game any more enjoyable. If anything it will add more developing time and maybe add to the cost of the game. Just imagine GTA5 or Skyrim at 50 gbs. Imagine the glitches. Yeah I'll see you in 10 years when it's released.

[kingPoS]

You know I don't think we'll ever see the original ps1 GTA1 - London on psn. Who stopped that from happening, question is WHY did they stop it?

[Enigma_2099]

Oh stop it... they'll just use however many they need to put the game on 360... and no one will care as long they get to play it.

Yes, this is ME, a Sony supporter... saying "stop making a big deal out of nothing."

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

MS may feel the wrath of R* on this one...

I mean GTA 3 was deffinatley fine wayyyyyyyyy before Xbox was in the picture, I think GTA 5 wouldn't hurt much either!

[Richdad]

Its coming one disk on xbox. Maybe a separate disk for Single Player and Multiplayer. Comon its Rockstar they can do it. No worries. All there games run well on Xbox.

Also single player campaign of GTA will be unplayable on 2 or more disks. For God sake those DLC's were different game and were on separate disk later.

[jairusmonillas]

Thankgod there's PS3's bluray.

[contra157]

If the outdated technology media technology is holding back rockstar, they should forget xbox and just make it for pc and playstation 3, the stuff try and port it over, or will Xbox hold back something great?

[KaBaW]

People look at multiple discs as a bad thing.. I look at it as lotta content. Bring it on. (:

[fourthpersonview]

It may require more than 3 disc, but it'll still look and perform better than the PS3.

AWW YEAAAH!

[Bounkass]

I don't care how many discs it will take. I have a PS3.

[Brettman2008]

fourthpersonview. That is total conjecture, in fact the Xbox 360 versions of GTA 4 and Red Dead Redemption has the edge on the PS3 versions.

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

[Tito08]

It depends, because those 2 games were developed with 360 in mind, then ported to PS3, things would have being different if the game wasn't limited to the DVD strenghts, for Red Dead, I don't think it required a lot of effort since it's an old west... In the case of L.A. Noire, everything on the PS3 version including exclusive content fit in one disc, while on 360 it was 3 DVDs, it was said the face animation took most of the space... But that wasn't the case with Games like Castlevania, Rage, Final Fantasy 13, Battlefield 3!!!!

It remains to be seen, but it's already 5-6 years into this gen... The question is, which system is the lead platform for GTAV, and to the rest of of those Bringing Skyrim to defend your Xbox, shut the hell up!!!!

[Fel08]

Xbox owners, I think its time to get a PS3.

[Sc0pe92]

Its so simple to fix this problem. Just buy a ps3 :)

[busytoad]

No worries for me i have a ps3 :)

[PSG4MER]

Definatley coming on 2-3 Disks, and now we have near-proof about city etc: http://n4g.com/news/881250/...

[CashColeTrain1337]

I guarantee you that it will not be 3 discs. The amount of discs used for LA Noire for the technology needed. In this Depending on its size maybe 2x or 3x the size of GTA IV, it will still fit on one disc BECAUSE they have greatly improved the compression technologies. Xbox will obviously have the lesser version, but it will probably be one 1 disc. If they do go ahead and do 2 it'd probably be some installs. 1 more thing, that was probably PS3 footage.

[Khordchange]

It wouldn't surprise me if they just release it for ps3, wii u, and PC considering the Disk and space size is so much more on these consoles than the 360. Just my two cents

[Brettman2008]

Rockstar will make a business decision on which platforms to release it on. As the sales on Xbox 360 would likely be huge I would think it would definately be included. The available disk space is a minor consideration. It would either be on one or two disks on Xbox 360. If it can fit on one disk for GTA 4 (with a disk size maximum of 6.8 GB) then it will likely not require much more space for GTA 5. Especially as the Xbox 360 disks now have an extra 1 GB storage.

[Dfooster]

They will just cram all the world onto one disk and everything else onto the others. So you might have to get up off your backside and swap disks once for every 15 hours of gameplay or whatever. Big deal!!!

I'm more concerned over the possible lack of facial technology and the possible lack of las Vegas which I seriously doubt they would leave out of a game as huge in scope as this. If the map is two and a half times the size of RDR I would be astonished if there wasn't other cities in the game.

This article isn't the best so I doubt there is anything factual here but if it is 2.5 times the size is huge!!!

[lonix]

The ending

[IHateYouFanboys]

why is the article comparing LA Noires disc size with the new GTA?

firstly, LA Noire wasnt made by Rockstar, it was made by Team Bondi. it was just published by Rockstar.

secondly, LA Noires in-game world wasnt the reason why it went over multiple discs, it was the cutscenes and motion capturing.

the size of an in-game world has very little to do with disc space. it doesnt take any more disc space to have a 1000000000km x 1000000000km world with 1 building repeated over and over and over to give the illusion of blocks of houses than it does to have a 10mx10m in game world with one building in the middle of it. on the disc its just data for one building, and data for one bit of ground - the bigger one just repeats these in RAM, not on the disc.

and before you scream 'but rages world was the reason for its disc size' you have to realise that Rage is the exception to the rule. its development method is COMPLETELY different to EVERY OTHER GAME IN EXISTENCE, using 100% unique texturing for the entire game world. no other games do this, and other than future iD games, no other games ever will. its just not good from a business standpoint. what could be knocked up in 1 month regularly could take an artist a year to do using iDs method, and it would look *virtually* the same. who cares if the bit of bitumen youre walking on was repeated 10m ago - its bitumen!

[chri150]

if its more than 1 bluray disk sony could do and update because bluray disk could hold up to 100gb depending on how many layers so about 20 or more disk for a 360 so im getting it for my PS3

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

[Lord_Santa]

If this game is developed exclusively for PS3 and then released for PC later, then we'd get kickass graphics and performance, which is something that most (If not all) PS3 Exclusives share.

If it's for both PS3 and Xbox 360, it will have good graphic and good performance, but I fear they might have to cut down on some content.

But nevertheless, the PC version will have the best visuals and ridiculous system requirements. So I'm getting it for my PS3(^_^)