Red Dead Redemption sub-HD on PS3

CVG: Red Dead Redemption sports the same sub-HD resolution as its predecessor, Grand Theft Auto 4, on the PlayStation 3.

The lower resolution results in a slightly less sharp image compared to its Xbox 360 brother, it's been claimed.

[Strange_Evil]

Boy it's gonna get hot in here...

Expected it to be the same as GTA4.... But it's upscaled well and the blurry look of GTA4 is not there... Won't even notice it if not for the pixel counting.

[BeaArthur]

Yeah, seriously, take cover. I still don't care though, I'm picking up the PS3 version. I doubt I would notice enough of a difference to actually care.

[raWfodog]

A bunch of games, many really, are sub-HD and still look great. I'm from the Atari 2600 era so there's really no bickering over pixels from my end. The game looks great on both consoles. Get the one that makes you happy, if you have a choice. Me, I'm going for the extra content on the PS3.

[ryuzu]

Extra content wins in this case I think but even so, Sub-HD on PS3 isn't really acceptable anymore.

The trade off is that the GTA4 engine is ready now, so it's either get the game now and accept that engine's limitations, or wait for R* to produce a PS3 optimised engine.... Personally I'll take RDR now and see what they've managed to do with Agent.

Maybe Red Dead Revenge, or whatever will take more advantage of PS3's strong points.

r.

[GWAVE]

Sub-HD didn't mar Halo 3's "amazing graphics". At least, that's what fans would claim.

And technically, wasn't MGS4 sub-HD? I'm not sure if that is so, but MGS4 is still one of this gen's best-looking games.

[Faztkiller]

Edit Sorry Double Post :(

[Faztkiller]

Its not a big deal just like Alan wake isn't a big deal they might be sub-HD but still look great I'm getting the PS3 version for the exclusive content and Free online

EDIT Still disappointed in R* I would expect more from them

[The_Count]

I have never criticised an Xbox 360 game for being Sub HD and I won't be doing it because it's on PS3. It still looks great and unless you com pare the two side by side on the same tv then I doubt it will be blatantly obvious.

[qwertyuiopasdfghjkl]

Basically I had this sub-HD debate confirmed a little less than 2 days ago... I love my PS3 to death, and hate Microsoft with a passion, but my comments about this game and 1152x640 added up 40 disagrees and 10 agrees... and almost losing my bubbles. (Used to have a LOT more)

The Sony Defense Force will quickly flame their own before surrendering to any negative news.

**** the comment section. I'm done.

[qwertyuiopasdfghjkl]

Double Post.

[BulletToothtony]

but it has happened before when a site says... is SUB HD and then the next day they say.. oh no wait.. it was a mistake.. it is 720p

It's just weird that they have already accomplished a 720p game on ps3 and why would they go lower now..

[-Alpha]

If this was the 360 version people would be gloating to hell and back about how the 360 is inferior. Remember Alan Wake? Halo 3?

I can't believe I'm actually seeing people "not care" as much now when it comes to RDR for the PS3 version. What a complete 180.

I hope this FINALLY shows people that it's not a big deal. I plan on getting this for the PS3 too, mostly because my friends will be on the PS3 version. I can care less for graphical superiority, and I do wish that the general audience would take that approach when it comes to graphics. So many games have managed so much outside of graphics. Halo 3 still has some of the best multiplayer this gen and MGS IV is still considered one of the best PS3 games. Both were sub-HD to my knowledge.

Personally, in terms of graphics, I am head-over-heels for the atmospheric landscape and terrain of RDR. I want to witness the snowy mountains and the orange deserts while venturing in the nature of the world. It sounds like a work of art.

[Hotel_Moscow]

alpha male it runs at mgs4 1024x768

the main reason why it doesnt effect ps3 users is because we know it can run high processing games at 720p

[bloop]

What's the extra content?? I ordered it for the 360 without knowing this :(

[mikeslemonade]

Told you so... Now didn't I say both versions would not be identical in that article yesterday. I was right and you were wrong HAHA.

I'm a PS3 zealot and this really sucks. The games graphics for both versions are not going to be that good to begin with. I really want that 720p. I want it on PS3 because of exclusive content, controller, and I have more friends. However 720p with a few friends on XBL and everyone has a Mic outweighs the PS3 version. Plus you can install the game into the 360 HDD to make the game even faster.

[insomnium]

"I can't believe I'm actually seeing people "not care" as much now when it comes to RDR for the PS3 version. What a complete 180."

Really!
Are you sure these are the SAME people who made a big deal out of AW? This is the biggest problem here. Generalizing the entire fanbase based on a few rotten apples. It really sounds mighty when you do that I mean it really helps your cause but there really is no truth in there is there? Who exactly made a 180? All of us?

[shadow2797]

SilentShank,

You lost your bubbles when N4G was redesigned, not because of some comment you made. The Max number of bubbles I've seen is 4.

[HolyOrangeCows]

"640x1152"
LOL, I do believe he means "1152x640"

Still getting the PS3 version for the extra content, just like I did with B:AA.
Inb4 someone misinformed that thinks that the extra content is only the costume.

[insomnium]

You people are retarded. What is there to disagree with? Do share....

[lowcarb]

You 100 percent correct. I don't think for one second the entire PS3 360 fanbase are fanboys hating at every turn. These one sided people online spreading fud are the biggest f up's in gaming history. Once again I will never trust review sites without trying it out myself. For all we know the differences are so little you can barely even tell its sub hd.

[Immortal Kaim]

I think fanboys on both sides can learn something from this. PS3 fanboys have been ridiculing Alan Wake and Splinter Cell for the last month for being sub-HD, now does it really matter if the game is great? 360 fanboys better not start trying to rub this in and make out that this is a huge deal, because you guys were saying it didn't matter with AW and SCC... You guys already makes yourselves look silly with your ignorance, don't add hypocrite to your resume :)

It isn't really a big deal, the game for all intents and purposes is fantastic, lower resolution doesn't change that.

[Darkfocus]

quote from the article

"Moreover, since we've yet to have official confirmation from Rockstar, it's just a rumour for now, and more importantly - who cares?"

[Anon1974]

Not taking anything away from the games but the reason they're taking so much heat is that for over a year now the forums have been filled with fans falling all over themselves about how Splinter Cell, Alan Wake or the both of them would be raising the graphical bar, putting everything else to shame. I mean, look at those screen shots! Look at them!

On and on it went before either game had even seen the light of day. I personally was beginning to think that Alan Wake was the second coming of Christ. A nail in the coffin for the PS3 beast and it's graphically superior exclusives.

I've seen this game play out again and again with some 360 fans and every single time when whatever graphical marvel on the 360 is finally released that's supposed to prove, once and for all, that the 360 has what it takes - the games do no such thing. And we're seeing this happen all over again with Halo: Reach. I'm buying Halo: Reach because I've always been a big Halo fan, but I'm not holding my breath that it's going to look as stunning as Uncharted or God of War.

So cut some PS3 fans some slack for gloating a little that neither of these two releases turned out to be the graphical showcases that all new games will be judged by. If certain people hadn't hyped it up for so long or made all the bold graphical claims they did prior to each game's release they would have released, been recognized as good games and that would have been the end of it.

[Bodyboarder_VGamer]

Calm down people, RDR it's just a multiplat game while Halo, Alan Wake and SC:C were all exclusive games that supposedly took advantage of of the much simpler/easier to code X360. And since when multiplat games have been known to take advantage of the PS3 hardware anyway?

[MiamiACR]

Exactly, and really guys Sub-HD......you guys are really whining about that when this is possibly the best western game ever made and all that matters is which console got 720p or not? Come on guys does that really even come into consideration when you think about purchasing this game?

[Shaman]

Its not really possibly best western game,its THE best western game EVER,and quite possibly one of the best open games off all time.Believe,its that good.

[MiamiACR]

I'm trying not to hype myself up that much Shaman, RDR will be in my mailbox in a few hours....thanks for confirming it's the best western of all time, been waiting for one of these. Gun was one of my favorites on the old Xbox.

[booni3]

r u down talking bayonetta? get em outta here....

[avengers1978]

That's funny game informer didn't say a thing about any differences in the game. I'm playing on the PS3 and it looks pretty damn amazing to me. Oh, well I guess the people 4 xbox will have something to brag about for a couple days.

[adlt]

I got my copy for the PS3 today and it was awesome, graphics are fine to my eyes (which are pretty picky) the gameplay has me HOOKED.

[RageAgainstTheMShine]

Happy Gaming!

[Hellsvacancy]

I aint even got a HD Tele (yet) so i doubt ill notice any differences, not that i care, i only own a PS3 so no sh|t wot console im buyin it for

Care wait

[HQLocated111]

I'll wait for the lens of truth comparison before I say anything.

[Jamie Foxx]

zhuck,pog,firstknight where are you guys atleast you had some intelligence with your comments

la chance considering red uses gta 4s game engine its not surprising as the engine is programmed that way on ps3,its when exclusives run in sub HD that it becomes an issue name me a recent ps3 exclusive in sub HD? ill name you two recent 360 sub HD exclusives... alan wake and splinter cell ..your turn

[Applegate]

At least we PS3 gamers get an extra costume !! :)

[8thnightvolley]

they probably saw it coming so just set some gifts up to qwench the hate

[cygnuszero]

Thats exactly why the PS3 got that costume. R* knew damn well the game didnt look as good, so they had to make up for it somehow.

[AAACE5]

The same as it was in all previous gens. The developers always have the option to take advantage of a systems power. They did it in the past and they could do it now if they wanted to.

The problem is, alot of developers just don't want to put the extra time, effort or money into such a task. Especially when there is no guarantee they will see a return on their efforts. So the logical thing to do is go by the industry standard and don't push it too hard.

[bjornbear]

i'll be honest and say I have an SD tv, and even though that would seem to make my opinion on this unfounded, do consider I play all these games in sub-HD, and they look amazing regardless.

I HAVE played my games on a Sony Bravia HD tv at a mates house countless of times, so I am NOT unfamiliar with how any of my games look on HD.

Hell, even my import Demon's Souls is unplayable because my SD tv doesn't recognize the signal (PAL =(), so I resent my SD tv more than anything,

but I also learnt that my LAST concern in a game is it's output (so as long as its not in black and white like Demon's Souls, but that has nothing to do with the argument at hand)

if a game looks amazing in SD, its only going to look better on an HD tv, even if its sub-HD

if it really makes that much of a difference to you (and you are not a dual console owner) then I feel sorry for you, because you are bothered by something that honestly shouldn't bother you at all =/

just enjoy the damn game

[Solidus187-SCMilk]

also, ps3 fanboys never shutup about 360 sub-hd games even when there is no ps3 version of that game. Now the ps3 version is the only sub-hd version and it doesnt matter??? LOL.

I understand it doesnt matter to you but there are soo many hypocrites on here, rushing to embrace the gimped version.

If you did have a HD TV you would care, as it makes a difference.

[corneliuscrust]

BRUTAL around here.

Can we all stop harping about subHD games now? PLEASE?

Around here it was a flame fest in the Splinter Cell and Alan Wake stories when there was even so much as a SNIFF about a lower resolution.

Why can't we just get along?

[Chimerhazzard]

"Hell, even my import Demon's Souls is unplayable because my SD tv doesn't recognize the signal (PAL =(), so I resent my SD tv more than anything"

I did the same thing as you, I live in Europe and imported the game from the US. My SD TV also didn't display the signal correctly. Easy to fix, just buy an RGB signal cable for the PS2 (works on the Ps3 as well). These cables are cheap, I bought one for like 7 euros (8 bucks?). Improved image quality over the standard composite cable and the image is now in color :)

[ef-u-2]

All I have to say is Final Fantasy 13 and now I see you sonytards back pedaling you hypocritical douch bags theres even a member named "it only does sub hd "to the 360 owners let'em have it find them in here http://n4g.com/news/481064/... and call'em by name for being hypocrites dont let up either.

[sixaxis]

i ask wtf Rockstar??? like wtf, this is so lazy work, its been 2 freaking years

@ Ju.
you speak truth. im also so disappointed, and furious. infact i dont know anymore whether i should buy it or not.

"Moreover, since we've yet to have official confirmation from Rockstar"

they better say something nice!! i dont get it, how can they screw us PS owners over so many times. i mean first it was with gta IVs resolution, then dlc timed exclusive deal with MS, now with RDR resolution. cmone, stop it already, we were the ones who bought those millions of previous GTA games (ya know GTA3, vice city, SA)

[Ju]

I'm disappointed, TBH. If at all, they reused GTA's engine not optimizing much for the PS3. I thought they sold a couple of millions with that game. Not worth investing in fixing the problem, huh ? Or just good enough making some more millions.

Well, what'u gotta do. Will get it anyway...

[MysticStrummer]

RDR is beautiful. A friend and I got it at midnight, got into a private session of free roam, and just rode around doing random stuff for four hours. Didn't touch the story for all that time. This is to open world gaming what GTA3 was to open world gaming last generation. Awesome.

[Awesomeness]

*cancel ps3 version*

*buy 360 version*

[CadDad]

I'm thinking about doing the same. I'm also thinking of just passing on it because I have an unnatural dislike for laziness. :/

-CadDad

[karlowma]

Exactly what I did :P

[DA_SHREDDER]

This game is being considered as one of the best games of the year, yet I dont see it? Be it the 360 or ps3 version.

[Smkt]

its the same thing that happened with gta4.. awesome sales..perfect scores.. OMG GOTY! then after a few months.. hey.. wait a minute.. this isn't fun.. OVERRATED GAME!!

[bobdog626]

There not Lazy.The Game is that Big and use a lot memory thats all.Remember they only have 512 to work with so give them a break ok

[CadDad]

Bobdog:

There are only so many options here for why the game could be different from console to console.

1. Laziness with regards to giving equal experience for equal dollar.
2. Lack of ability to make the same game on both systems.
3. Lack of investment capital//time.

We know Rockstar makes good quality games, so the ability is there, and we know they have a ton of cash and resources to develop games, so that leaves the lazy choice.

I'm not saying it's a bad game or anything, i just think developers who "have to" skimp on a game on one system should skimp on the game on all systems for an equal experience. Anything less than the same game on all platforms for a multi-plat game is a disservice to paying customers.

I hear your apology for Rockstar, I just don't buy it, and regardless of the disagrees I get, it's still just my opinion and unlikely to change. I feel the same about all games that are better//worse from system to system.

-CadDad

[tinybigman]

I didn't care when I played GTA4 on PS3, I didn't care after beating SC:C and AW. So I'm pretty sure I won't give two sh*ts about this when I get it for PS3.

To me the people who argue this back and forth have nothing better to do with their time.

A great game is a great game no matter what resolution it plays in.

Peace I gotta get back to work lol.

[monkey nuts]

+ Bubs for a well said comment. Gaming is being hi jacked by teenagers it would seem, whos insecurities even extend to their gaming preferences.

[aGameDeveloper]

I actually DID care about the sub HD resolution on GTA4. I loved the game, but could only play the game for a couple hours before the blurriness caused enough strain on my eyes to put it away for the night. The negative effect depended on the post-processing effects playing at any particular time. During daylight scenes with little to no weather, it was pretty playable. Darker scenes, especially with heavy weather effects, were the worst (IIRC - I barely got to the second island - mostly because of this issue, and due to starting over after they added trophy support).

[FlipMode]

I gotta say its pretty funny watching fanboys go back and forth like this.lol

[OmarJA-N4G]

Nice job R*, still getting the PS3 version.

Good thing i don't own an HD TV.

[Darkstorn]

Same. HDTVs are just signs of overconsumption. I've got better things to spend my money on.

[bpac123456789]

I havn't read the comments yet but i expect to here a lot of, "well who cares", "doesn't matter", and "just enjoy the game." I hope not because everyone in here went off on Alan Wake for being Sub- hd. So to just ignore it becasue its a ps3 title is so hypocritical. We should expect more from our games. I didn't spend $500 on a ps3 and $600 on and HD tv to play sub- hd games. And yes it does make a difference. Games that arn't in true HD don't look as sharp or clear as games that are.

[raztad]

I care about resolution, and it looks like the PS3 version is just inferior. Deal with it people. That's a shame although somehow expected knowing RDR is just GTA4 + horses, both technically and gameplay-wise.

Well, now I understand why R* San Diego was doing their best not to show the PS3 version. I'm not hyped about this game, nor I intent to get it anytime soon, I'll wait for a huge price drop, GTA4 was not a fun game for me and RDR looks exactly the same.

[Christopher]

Very disappointed with R*. This isn't the 540p that they were claiming in the other thread, but this is pretty much R* using the GTA4 Stories engines without any attempt to make the resolutions equal. I'm sure it still looks nice, but this is a sad sign when it still takes a first-party to put out a true HD game of this level on the PS3.

[vhero]

As I said with Alan Wake its doesn't matter as it still outputs on your TV at 720p upscaled or not.. I just find it amusing that there is like 10 articles on this already not surprised just amused shows how 2 sided gamers can be as the people slating this for being sub HD were the same sticking up for Alan Wake and Halo being Sub HD.

No real 360 fan with half a brain has the right to slate a game for being sub HD considering the 360s biggest seller in fact Xboxs (the whole rang from Xbox to 360) biggest selling game of all time is Sub HD. People do it as its rare for the PS3 to get one so they think its a small victory or something for 360 I say its a small victory for PS3 as it brings out the idiots who post this crap to the world and who are the fanboys and who are gamers.

[Greywulf]

I mean, really? Its cute to see you guys get all excited over a SUBHD multiplatform game (which previous version of engine was subhd), but god, at least get it right.

AW. 6 years. "full power of the 360", claimed to trump UC2/GodOfWar3/Killzone2/MGS4/A nything on the PS3. = SUBHD/Model Swapping for Cut Scenes/Different FX in cut scenes...etc.

*Proving* That the 360 can't pull off any serious fx in a HD frame. Now we are all waiting for Reach, just like we waited for AW..Gears..Mass Effect.. or any other unreal engine game..

VS.

Multiplatform game, SUBHD. which is the case for multiplatforms. The PS3 has its examples of Running exclusive titles in non-subHD resolutions. The 360...

Doesn't.

Anyone pretending this is a big deal, is totally neglecting the fact that No one has hyped RDR > Uc2, as every single 360 fan did here. Or hell, even 'on par'.. with its low polygon box men running around.

The difference 360 fans,

Would be if PS3 fans were trumpeting RDR as a graphical juggernaut that will trump all games as we know it, PROVING the PS3 hasn't ran out of hardware ability. Thats the case with AW, and it fell on its face. It doesn't change the game, but it proves the 360 is tapped out.

Thats not the case for RDR on the PS3. Its not showing RDR ( A M U L T I P L A T F O R M) game to show off the hardware.

[ceedubya9]

Bickering back and forth about "sub-HD" resolutions is just stupid. As long as the game looks good enough and plays well, then who cares if the games is 640something-p native?

We buy the games to play them and have a good time. Most people don't know anything about pixel counting and all that, and wouldn't really care if they did. The sooner we all get back to playing the games instead continuing to play the 360vsPS3 sillyness, the better.

[sGIBMBR]

What a butt hurt fanboy rofl... Get over it, its just a game!! Fool, is there any need for the attack on the 360?

I bet you was one of those dudes that was slagging off the 360 version of FF right? Now the shoe is on the other foot, you totally change your mind. Fanboys at their best xD

Have a good day, loser!

[Boody-Bandit]

Digital Foundry is reporting that people should wait unitl their findings are made public before people jump to conclusions. Check Twitter for yourselves if any of this really matters to you guys and gals.

Besides I thought sub HD wasn't a problem?
Hypocrisy much?

[Boody-Bandit]

http://n4g.com/news/525664/...

[niceguywii60]

That's fake. That is damage control based from a upscaled screenshot. That is why that story FAILED!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Army_of_Darkness]

the 360 version is 720p, but the PS3 version is sub-hd(640p)?! How on earth could that even be possible?!
The PS3 is more than capable of running this game at 720p, just look at GOW3 for f#@K sakes!
I call this bullsh1t! I'm getting the game because it looks awesome and I know it can't be sub-hd if the 360 is 720p..

[Christopher]

You do know that games are developed by companies that aren't just focused on the PS3 alone, but on both platforms and the PC? This leads to time restraints and in the end they have to put out a game that looks the best possible for the platforms. It's completely believable that many companies would be unable to advance the resolution of graphics as far as they do on the 360.

What should really be angering people is that one of the top development studios haven't been able to advance the resolution capabilities of their games on the PS3 since the last game's release two years ago. It still looks good, but I expected them to go a bit further than they did.

[bobdog626]

BTW Great Movie.This rumour don't make any sense.Yes it Does and i seen it before.

[cygnuszero]

The 360 is a great gaming machine, built solely for that. The PS3 is a multimedia machine, sharing its resources with the many different things it does.

I dont know how many crappy ports it will take before people stop talking about how much more powerful the PS3 is. Ive yet to see it. Uncharted 2 looked fantastic. Guess what, so do many 360 games.

[SaberEdge]

Not to mention that the best looking PS3 games like Uncharted 2 and God of War 3 largely look that good because the studios that made those games are extremely talented, are fully backed by Sony with big budgets and technical support and can focus on one single platform.

That is by far the biggest reason those games look as good as they do. Even then, I don't see a huge difference between games like Alan Wake and Uncharted 2.

[niceguywii60]

It's just the way it is, each console has it's advantages. PS3 can produce stunning linear games or at least Sony has devs that know how to push the PS3 better than people on the 360 side pushing the 360. The 360 is good at more complex games with dynamic gameplay and design. This is why the 360 excels with games like Halo Reach and Lost Planet 2.

Rage is a nother game you have to watch out for because the developers are doing the same thing with that game showing off the 360 version yet claiming the PS3 version is currently more stable.

[monkey nuts]

Your first paragraph is puzzling at best. I own both and while my 360 has great exclusives they have yet to match the level of quality found in the exclusives I get to play on the ps3. Sony seems to be aiming for genre defining games with each new exclusive, seriously if you consider yourself to be a relatively unbiased gamer you need to change your forum tag to PSwii60 then get a ps3, cashflow permitting ofcourse. Or the otherway round I forget . :)

[LordMarius]

I lost all my bubbles because of this BS, i told you it was sub-HD. suck it PS3 fanboys

[raztad]

I'm gonna bubble you up. Facts > opinions.

[RedDevils]

don't blame on the comments you've made on that article, it's base on most of your past comments that you have made on every single articles, btw I notice people on N4G hate everything you say like muderdoll I believe there a reason behind it :P

[Statix]

For those of you drawing comparisons to Alan Wake in calling everyone hypocrites, please note that that's a little bit different of a situation. Red Dead Redemption is a multiplatform game that you simply wouldn't expect to fully take advantage of the PS3's power (or 360's power, for that matter), whereas Alan Wake is one of the 360's biggest exclusives of the year, with development focused for that one specific platform 100%.

Another difference is Alan Wake is 540p, which is seriously approaching SD resolution in severity of picture loss. RDR and GTA IV on the PS3 are somewhere around 640p, which is nowhere near the dropoff from HD 720p that Alan Wake is.

My only problem with this news story is, where were all the stories from Computervideogames.com about Alan Wake being 540p? Nowhere to be found. Yet the same publication sees it newsworthy that a PS3 game running on the Rage engine is sub-HD... something we already all knew 2 years ago (GTA IV). All I'm saying is, and I can't say it with 100% absolute certainty, it feels like there's some sort of media bias against the PS3 going on from this site, as well as some others. I don't feel the media bias from outlets such as IGN or Gamespot, but some lesser-known ones such as this CVG.com, it has always felt for years that there's an element of anti-PS3 bias to me, based on past history.

[Hallmark Moment]

Alan Wake is (4xAA) and RDR on 360 is(2xAA) and less on the PS3 version of RDR. Alan Wake has unmatched graphics with state of the art visual effects.

Alan Wake has more than one resolution not just the SUD rez.

[JokesOnYou]

Now all the ps3 extremists who bashed Alan Wake, suddenly "don't care" or "its not a big deal", lmfao karma has a way of biting sony folks in the azz, either way though we know Alan Wake is one the best looking games on any console they just needed a reason to downplay it. Now suddenly the insignificant extra content for the ps3 version (lol, a outfit and gang hideout) is a major plus, yet I remember them acting as if the whole epicsodic content that were announced for 360 version of GTAIV was pointless, lol but thats typical sony kids for you, as soon as it went to ps3 they were talking about how great it was, still the extra content pales in comparison to the superior online of the 360 version where it will be more like a social community with Live's ease of use and most folks talking, vs psn which is pretty much DEAD online. I mean its like a alternate reality with them their position on issues changes with the wind. Still RDR is a helluva game on either console but its just funny as hell to see sony kids completely flip floping as if AW being sub hd game is un-playable. I guess it just hurt their feelings to see 360 getting the superior version of RDR, I didn't see so many 360 fans bitter over FF's lower rez version...aaaahh well, its n4g.

JOY

[RedDevils]

It's "Joke on You" wait did you notice something Red dead is multiplat whereas alan wake is exclusive platform, that mean ALan should have a great advantage to look better than the so called multiplatform games

Ps. just read Statix comments he explain it for you

[SaberEdge]

The excuse that the double standard is ok because Alan Wake is an exclusive is just lame, lame, lame.

A good game is a good game. Alan Wake is a good game, that looks amazing, and just happens to be sub-HD.
RDR is probably the biggest multi-platform release in quite some time and it happens to be sub-HD on one of the consoles. I don't see how it is any different.

To put it another way, RDR is probably better than about 97% of the games on the PS3, so if it doesn't matter that it is sub-HD on the PS3 then why would sub-HD ever matter?

[monkey nuts]

Thats a little subjective. They both excel in different areas, the ps3 has better lighting while the 360 has 8000 more pixels. It must be hard typing with pompoms attached to your hands.

SAD :)

[Brock Danger]

"might be hard typing with pompoms attached to your hands"

Haven't heard that one before, awesome.

I'm all for the, "why should this matter?" argument. Since when was pixel counting part of being a gamer? I thought it was playing games that you like.

Much like Alan Wake is beautiful (just checked it out this morning), I'm sure RDR is glorious on the PS3. There sure is a lot of rationalizing going on here though, which is really sad and indicative of how petty some of "us" have become.

I use "us" loosely.

[Pika-pie]

Eeeeek, I still dont know which one to buy. Usual multiconsole dilema for me.

Think im going to rent both versions and see which looks best to me... Fingers crossed its the PS3 version.

Wish Lens of truth or Digital Foundry would do a comparison

[ReservoirDog316]

Who cares? I just got it from amazon though!

I don't really care for the thought of the golden guns weapon pack (I hate being too powerful in games, I never even cheated in GTA) so if anyone wants them, pm me (PS3 version).

[Demons Souls]

Nobody plays games like this for graphics and even then it will still look good. People play open world games for gameplay only. I wouldn't mind playing this even on a SDTV (as long as I can read the text).

[TripleAAARating]

"Moreover, since we've yet to have official confirmation from Rockstar, it's just a rumour for now, and more importantly - who cares?"

Strange how everyone just happens to forget this part of the article, Lmao, I'll wait for official confirmation from Rockstar just like when Remedy confirmed Sub HD Alan Wake

[SaberEdge]

Here we have what is likely to be the biggest multi-platform game of the year and we have PS3 fanboyss saying the sub-HD resolution doesn't matter, yet when Alan Wake was found to be sub-HD it was the end of the world and supposedly meant Alan Wake couldn't be a fantastic looking game.

I just love the hypocrisy and double standards!

That said, it isn't that big of a deal. Resolution is important but it isn't THAT important. There are a lot more important aspects to graphics than resolution. On either console you will still be getting essentially the same experience.

[jack_burt0n]

WOW you guys have outdone ursevlves here

THE PS3 VERSION IS 720P NATIVE

you lot are truly fucking pathetic.

[PeaceWalker15]

That's weird. I seem to be playing Red Dead Redemption right now on my PS3 and it looks incredible. These Fanboy arguments will never end. I give my props to Rockstar for doing a great job on delivering a stellar western experience on both XBOX360 and PS3.

[ape007]

xbox got the the edge in here but RDR will still look amazing on the ps3, it will not have the same blur\slowdown\fuzz issues like on gta 4 ps3 but it will look and perform like R* latest RAGE ps3 demonstration the ballad of gay tony, ballad of gay tony ps3 looks\runz much better than gta 4 ps3

in the end the game is amazing on both systems, get the version on the system you feel more comfortable with

happy gaming everyone :)

[RedSky]

If you want an impression of just how ridiculous you all sound, imagine if for every PC port of a console game we came in saying "ahahaha ours looks better!"

Whether its your mum only being able to afford you one console or some kind of immature rivalry, just grow up.

[marinelife9]

Just went from a buy to a rental.

[Saigon]

Playing the first few minutes last night...maybe it was my TV but the settings were automatically set to [email protected] TV displays a new setting every time something changes it would even tell me if it is at 1280x640p...and that never happened with this game...

[sid4gamerfreak]

oh yea, this is gonna get hot....
*gets popcorn*

[II Necroplasm II]

*Forgets originality*

[bjornbear]

*lols*

=3

[sid4gamerfreak]

karma's a b***, isn't it?

@II Necroplasm II: Lol.

[Kalowest]

Who cares.

[ELite_Ghost]

as long as theres no frame rate drop i'm happy

[Brock Danger]

Seriously, this is sad. No v-sync issues or framerate drops and I'm a happy camper.

I personally got it for the 360 just cause that's my preference, but this whole sub-HD garbage is really getting stupid. The fact that people need to go to a message board to get reassurance that they are allowed to enjoy their game is frightening and pathetic.

[Nike]

Is this part of the exclusive content?

@disagrees: I'm confused then. Don't they know every PS3 game has to look like Uncharted 2, Killzone 2 and God of War 3 or it automatically sucks(or worse, a 360 exclusive)?

@Blaze: Thanks. Good to see some one hasn't lost their sense of humour on this site. :)

[Blaze929]

rofl I lol'd. Bubbles!

[koh]

You're gunna be rollin in bubbles soon haha. +1

[Ju]

Nobody says it's sucks (maybe that's what you are actually complaining about, huh?), but come on R*, address this issue just for the arguments sake and we would all be happy.

[commodore64]

Exclusive Content?
Hahaaa!
Touche!

bubbles +

[Charmers]

Oh god I knew this was coming, there have been rumours about it over the past few days. Now this story has hit N4G I guess we should order the body bags.

I predict this story will get so hot that it will spontaneously spark into self sustaining fusion and provide cheap energy for all.

I guess it is true what PC gamers say about Rockstar, they are great game designers but utterly utterly useless when it comes to the technical aspects of actually making a game.

[NewsForSnowflakes]

It's not been confirmed yet, so this could be total BS.
I might write an article about how the PS3 version of the game rubs your balls as you play it.

[Nike]

Go ahead. Should hit front page in no time.

[Silly gameAr]

"I might write an article about how the PS3 version of the game rubs your balls as you play it."

I don't know it that would be awesome or just weird.

[mantisimo]

MMMMMmmmmmmmmmm

[vhero]

What's not been confirmed yet is the 360 version runs at 720p... So all this and the 360 version could also be sub HD... its been released to pirates now on the net so it's not hard to test (they used a pirate version to test FF13).

[Christopher]

What if... you only have one ball? Would it still rub it? Or does it only rub balls, plural?

[kevnb]

if they dont make one, im not suffering through another console game made by rockstar.

[cpuchess]

Why not get a console version and just trade it in on a PC version. That's exactly what I did for GTA4

[KING85]

Who cares if it's sub-HD. Does this stop PS3 users from enjoying the game? I am sure no one will be sitting playing this game and say, "Oh boy, here I am playing sub-HD. I wonder how I will get through this. Sigh"!

[kevnb]

however, if the framerate is as terrible as it was in gta iv count me out.

[maxcer]

your exactly right, it shouldn't stop you. just like the ps3 fanboys trying to downplay SC:C or AW just because its not full 1080p.

[BlazeXXL]

That was telling us the exact opposite? Anyways, I don't mind Sub HD since I don't even notice it while playing games. But it's definitely a shame though... I would've thought Rockstar knew how to efficiently develop games for the PS3 by now.

[techie]

They were wrong.

[techie]

It's a shame they couldn't bump this up after GTA4 - but as long as it runs well, its amazing gameplay shall prevail!

[Morituri]

If you only buy it for the ps3, how are you going to notice? I was perfectly fine with gtaiv On both the 360 and ps3-- I actually own both games, and you know what?-- not really a big difference. Nothing that would make me say that game A is so much better than game B visually. Unless you have the bionic man's cybernetically enhanced eyes there is really nothing to get all "hot" about from any of you guys.Just enjoy it on your console of choice.

And again, unless you have two heads four hands and both games why would this matter?

[mrmikew2018]

This crap is never going to end this generation, how many games have we played on both systems that were "sub-hd" this generation? Now all of sudden it's a big deal? This is crazy, this just adds more fuel to this pointless console war. Oh well, I'm going back to RDR.

[C0MPUT3R]

..............
.
w/AA
.
So its an upgrade from GTA IV.
.
It also has better lighting and less pop in.
.
PS3 version for me.
.
.............

[Rowsdower]

dont do it

here is an opportunity to resist the fanboy BS

come on N4G now is your moment

even though 360 gamers have been put down with the sub-HD crap for awhile, even though its not true, lets see if we can be the adult and resist the urge to throw back in certain peoples faces.

[hoops]

Nope. This is N4G.COM
Its going to be thrown back in thier faces bigtime. This is why being a fanboy is not good because blindly kissing the A** of a company will make you look like a hypocrite sooner or later.
Lets see if those same people who bashed those Xbox360 games for being SubHD are going to defend the PS3 version of this game being SubHD.

[Trey_4_life]

Lol it's sub HD yet it still has sharper textures and better lighting, just look at the comparison picture on the link, enjoy your alan wake and halo 3.5 beta.

[Nike]

Respect you as a commentator, but truth be told, just this once, I think you're asking for too much. Especially since the 360 gamers have been put-down with this for a while.

[Convas]

... but it's like asking Fat Albert to keep his hands off the Double Fudge Chocolate Cake Granny just set down on the table in front of him.

This is the foolishness of Fanboyism and ultimately why it'll never end. First AW gets revealed to be Sub-HD, the PS3 Fannies, start circle-jerking, the Xbox Fannies, go into defense mode.

Now this, and the reverse happens. It'll never end. This'll be going on till the end of time.

All we can do is have a few chuckles at the stupidity of this "Console War" and hope that our examples of maturity rub off on a few folks.

[Ju]

Yes Daddy.

Well, seriously, I think this is BS. Even the AW story. We as gamers want the max. I was under the impression, we can at least get full 720p with all bells and whistles this time.

Turns out, the current HW cycle is not there yet - or in some cases this simply get's sacrificed for lower production costs.

Years ago, developers who pushed the limit, found ways to "bend" the HW limits were our heros.

Today we are OK, because it "still" looks good.

Well, but back then, they sold a couple of 100K units, not 5 or 10M. And yet, they had the time to push the HW...strange world, indeed.

[aaronisbla]

sorry but you're a day late and a dollar short, it was bound to happen

[mittwaffen]

It doesnt pay off being a fanboy on either side.

Just Game; stop the pixel counting and ripping on people.

[raddbj03]

i think to some this is just about being a fanboy.

but to others here, who enjoy gaming across all platforms, we realize the implications of having this happen time and again.

smaller studios, smaller budget games - fine, let there be differences.

but to me this is just ridiculous. blockbuster game, major game developer = shouldn't happen. but somehow it just may have.

[raddbj03]

this explains the exclusive content for ps3 - pretty much rockstar saying we can't do this in hd, so here is to some useless crap add ons as we cross our fingers someone buys the ps3 version.

the problem isn't whether you can actually notice the difference or not, the problem is that there is a difference.

[lagoonalight]

FOR SURE there is a difference. I want you all to peruse the Eurogamer article when it comes out and you tell me you don't care that Rockstar lied to us and that you cannot tell the resolution differences, the frame rate differences, and all the other stuff. RESOLUTION matters end of story and they have no excuse they just didn't want to build a new engine. But they didn't have to lie to us. MAN, I REALLY WANTED this game to be led on the PS3. UN FLACKIN BELIEVABLE! I was so pissed I got banned on the neogaf forums lol. I don't buy these ports. Hope you guys enjoy, I'll just wait for the PC.

[Akagi]

You know what, I don't care. I played and absolutely loved GTA 4 on PS4. Hell, I even thought it was playing a HD resolution! In other words, it won't make a difference to me. Let's not forget Alan Wake and indeed Splinter Cell were sub-HD and both look/looked great.

[maawdawg]

Maybe that is because you were playing the rarely seen PS4 version? :D

I get the point you are making but any chance to bring some levity into a ridiculous finger-pointing fanboy battle is always nice.

If articles like this didn't come out and people stopped dissecting every facet of every game and measuring them system vs system I think a lot more people would just enjoy the games for what they are.

[Akagi]

Yeah, bro. PS4. Curse me sleepy eyes.

[Da_Evil_Monkey]

Does anyone else notice how the two screenshots are at different times of day, and slightly different locations. In the PS3 Screen it's darker, I think i'm going to wait for a better comparison.

[Trey_4_life]

Lol like how you twist superior textures and lighting into ''different times of day''

You 360 fanboys never cease to amaze me.

[Stationfan]

Oh noes it means the 360 is more powerfull pfft, Who gives a crap everyone knows the only people really tapping ps3 is 1st and 2nd party but I applaud the effort set out by rocktsar

[stonecold1]

killzone 2 gods of war 3 gt5 final fantasy vs 13 ratchet and clanjk then they can speak but for now run back to the caves its true 360 holds games back

[bobdog626]

Say that Again, What ? Can't here U Talk to the Hand.

[iistuii]

I live in England and it's not out till friday and Ive got both consoles and so would obviously buy the best version. Don't shoot the messenger. I think its good we know the difference, i can just always play the better versions, so thanks for bringing it up.

[kvg88]

and almost every other review, the graphics were the same.

I'll wait for Lens of Truth on this one.

[Domer25]

And not proven yet. But in the end i'll take (640p) over screen tearing anyday.
Some rumors, floating around neogaf is that they might both be subhd. Lighting also seems to be a issue again on the 360.

who cares, their both great.

[Brklynty1]

Thing is, most people expected that after GTAIV, its multiplatform, and developed on 360, the same will most likely happen with L.A. Noire. The thing is, its a multiplatform game. Though it shouldn't be a double standard, 360 sub HDs are on exclusives, no reason why that should be, the last sub HD game I think was on PS3 that I know of is MGS4, and it still looked good same as Alan Wake. But really, only fanboys care, like La Chance up there. Gamers won't give 2 sh*ts and just enjoy another R* masterpiece.

Edit: Oh, nvm about L.A. Noire, it was developed on PS3 first. Should be HD

[theone26]

Might just get it on 360 then since I don't support sub hd games from either company. Sony should send some of their ninja coders to RockStar and get some of MLAA and 720p going next time.

[TROLL EATER]

gettin the superior 360 version anyway

[AngryTypingGuy]

When this happens on the 360, Sony fanboys always make fun. But the thing is, with upconversion, it doesn't really matter that much. Unless you pause the game and stare at the screen, you probably won't notice much. Just play the damn game, it looks amazing!

[Jack Klugman]

dont expect anyone to understand or listen to that. im actually shocked at your agrees but its true.

still with how much a 360 game is flamed for being sub HD i am getting a good laugh at the spinning going on now. 360 version it is.

Next up Agent!

[PSNsecrets]

that may be true but the PS3 will get the add-on content but rockstar left the 360 in the D!CK HOLE on this so hahaha F@CK every 360 owner out there.

[AngryTypingGuy]

It'll probably make its way to the 360 eventually just like the 360 content for GTA made its way to the PS3 after a period of time.

[washingmachine]

isnt that false advertising then on the back when it says 720p lol

[aaronisbla]

no, it says the output is at 720p which is true. Now if it said native 720p resolution, then it would be false advertising

[gdguide]

Looks like I'll get the 360 version if this is the case. Although I don't have a Gold Live account anymore. Hmmmm... One or the other. Is the online any good?

[Tony-A]

Supposedly it's more robust than the GTA IV online play so.... yes.

:)

[PS360_37]

Getting PS3 version. IF there are any differences, its not going to be a game changer.

[MetalFreakMike]

I expected this game to run the same resolution as GTA4, since it uses the same engine. Resolution does not bother me as long as they know how to upscale it right so I can not tell the difference. I am going to be picking this game up on my PS3 along with PoP and Modnation Racers. Also, I will be picking up Alan Wake but I will get that game next month because RDR and Modnation has me more excited.

[NewsForSnowflakes]

I'll stick with the PS3 version thanks. I choose exclusive DLC over barely noticable graphical differences.

[mcgrawgamer]

what does this have to do with the game? what does pixel count have to do with any game? fanboys tout sales, graphics, and psn vs xbl day in and day out with absolutely no results. does this constitute as a victory for one camp or another? Oh well

[bacano]

I guess that is more important than a few pixels...

[zeddy]

so this is why ps3 got the exclusive dlc.

[Silly gameAr]

You guys were doing so well. Now we have another thread full of whiners and crazies. Never seen so many comments posted so quickly.

As for the subhd. It's funny because I never cared in the first place. F it. What ever floats your boats.

[TheMART]

Oh nice, lets see now:

"The 360's image was fluid, and the PS3's framerate took a slight hit as I careened wildly around. Sorry Sony brothers, I'm trying to be as objective as I can"

"but man, the detail on textures just looked sharper on the 360. What can I say."

http://neogaf.net/forum/sho...

And then this article:

"The Xbox 360 version of Red Dead Redemption has been confirmed to be 720p with 2x anti-aliasing, whereas the PlayStation 3 version has been pared down to approximately 640p. That's a 20 per cent lower rendering resolution."

Also I read that in the towns the PS3 version takes a hit where the framerate drops to more choppy viewing, the 360 holds up a lot better.

Ouch, getting sub HD on the PS3 again? I bet PS3 fanboys stop playing this game now, as they always attack Halo 3 being 640p?

It must hurt, seeing the better version on the 360 again. And this time no excuse for large buildings in the distance to pop in as GTAIV on the 360 had, because the Wild Wild West doesn't have those hahaha

[Tony-A]

You fanboys must have very emotional relationships.

Always bringing up the past like it happened just yesterday.... females...

[URIELXIV]

If this game is so great why aren't you people playing it instead of complaining?

[aaronisbla]

because they are fanboys, true story

I'd be playing it now but im waiting on ups to give me my goods from amazon.com

[knightdarkbox]

It's been confirmed that PS3 has blurry graphics and low resolution ( sub HD)360 is far better than PS3.

check this pics:

ps3----> http://img37.imageshack.us/...

360----> http://img695.imageshack.us...

If ps3 version is this bad then that's just sad.

[Remdih]

You´re obviously ********.

[Marie]

Well I knew going with the 360 version was the safe bet. Crisp 720p 2XAA and as IGN says one of the best looking games around.

[maxcer]

lol so where is that douche ps3 fanboy xaviertooth with his "it only does 576p" avatar?

[divideby0]

just picked up the PS3 version.
dont care and it has not been confirmed, and may not make a diff in the long run
I would like to hear from Rockstar why they didnt show PS3 stuff as early as the 360 stuff...just curious

[tomisnever]

In all truthfulness i am a bit disappointed, but uno it's not a gameplay issue because that would really suck.

All i can say is, at least i don't own a Wii anymore.

[0LDSCH00L]

Well I think Rockstar did a superb job--if you compare RDR PS3 with GTA4 PS3. But, I do believe they could have hit the 720p mark with both, had they started with the PS3 version as lead platform though.

[teedogg80]

Oh well. I guess I made the right decision cancelling my PS3 pre-order of this game for the 360 version. Man its good to have choice. Game looks amazing running 1080p.

[cpuchess]

Agreed, I am going to get the 360 version instead of the PS3 version. I certainly would of preferred it on the PS3 though

[NewsForSnowflakes]

It be witty and insightful comments like this that has earned you the loss of 2 of your 'chat bubbles'

[AliTheBrit19]

The game will look equally incredible on both systems :)

[sixaxis]

who are you kidding, ps3 version just declared to be garbage!!! I so want to know Rockstars official statement about this

[AliTheBrit19]

For the record, I'm getting the 360 version :D

But I still believe it will look great on both.

[seij555]

This is unacceptable, I'm boycotting this crap.

[seany1]

who gives a toss , if you pay £40 or $60 for any game just for pretty visuals only u are indeed off your rocker . enjoy the gameplay and story and fun online forget about the graphics for once they do nothing to enchance 2nd a 3rd playthroughs of any game .gameplay does and fun

[testerg35]

Superior version confirmed!

[NoPoint]

Wow are you f*cking serious Rockstar, screw the PS3 owners once again.

[SephireX]

I got FFXIII for the PS3 because it was better visually than the 360 version. I will do the same with this game and get it for the 360. When I own both consoles and havce a choice, why the hell wouldn't I? I prefer true HD to some exclusive content that will eventually come to 360 anyway thank you very much.

[URIELXIV]

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[SupeerSteebbi]

IT ISN'T SUB HD. Xbots go back to your cave.

[SupeerSteebbi]

Article fail...

[El Nino]

every game has 720p minimum on the back of the case, i.e halo which apparantly does 1080p!

[SuperStrokey1123]

lol I think someone doesnt understand the story.

[El Nino]

Its unacceptable, in this generation, for any, absolutly any game to be sub hd, this is supposed to be next gen gaming, so why are we seeing sub-hd games on the 360 and the ps3, why are we paying hundreds of dollars/pounds/euro's for something that were not getting

seriously alot of you seem to not be even bothered, well more fool you

If you buy a Ferrari enzo, and the guy at the dealership says it does 180 mph or whatever, so you take it for a spin and it doesnt, do you say "oh well never mind, it sounded like it did 180!!!" pssh

seriously were getting raped as consumers, and i dont even blame sony/microsoft for this ish, its solely the developers.

you know what, i hope they start releasing blu-rays at half the resolution, its no big problem, we'll just upscale! then lets see who's moaning

[lagoonalight]

I'm all with you dude. I got banned on Neogaf for a meltdown. I knew this was coming and for such a HUGE release it is absolutely unacceptable. If you have a large screen that kind of res is VERY disappointing. People have their blinders on, though, and nothing can stop the hype. I'll go buy a couple used games and leave it at that. If I get a PC I'll be looking for this game if or when it comes.

[cyclindk]

It does bring into question the justification for purchasing any HD television when your game can BARELY call itself high definition.. Obviously there are plenty of other games and movies that justify the purchase, but it's just sort of sad to see a once reputable developer give the shaft to so many gamers that supported the previous games.

Oh well, 360 wins this round in the multiplat war.

[cpuchess]

I agree, it's sad we have to do research to see if we are being deceived or not

[asdf12]

Both sides are butthurt here.

But the PS3 version is upscaled to 720p, the framerate, textures and lighting are equal the the Xbox, it's just worse if it's naked, which it isn't, as confirmed on the game box itself.

Everyone can fuck off back to their holes, this is what makes N4g suck, raging nerdy Xbro's and Sonyfriends.

[lagoonalight]

LoL dude, do you know how to read? The framerate is worse, confirmed, the textures are worse, confirmed, and the resolution is 20% less pixels with more pop in. Good Lord.

[Remdih]

says who? some kokot at neoGAF? you? even f-king IGN said nothing about graphics on PS3.. Tak zavři píču a přestaň srát! I´ll see how big is this problem when I get my hands on RDR this weekend. Till then kák off!

[divideby0]

^ please linky me up to where you read that.....heading over to NG to see...

[asdf12]

Oh wow, confirmed by some random chode from a game forum, on the internet. do you have any common sense? Good lord, fanboys are retarded these days.

Hurr, stuf on d internets in troo!

[sixaxis]

maybe its time to sell ps3?

im just pissed off right now. how come they couldnt make it right???. this also explains why they were so quite about ps3 version. its better to lie to consumer than actually try and make it work. this also shows they didnt learn nothing about previous fu_ck up.

[Pillville]

or just buy an xbox 360 so you have both. You get all the exclusives from both sides. Then get to pick the multiplats based on which one it run/looks better on.

don't sell your ps3 because of what a 3rd party dev did (or didn't do).

[seany1]

as long as we all get chance to play it i see that as a win for gamers ,i can see why sum people with only ps3s and like visuals mite be annoyed though but most wont care as its not a major difference i dont think anyway.

[Orange Juice]

Well, at least no one had two AAA hyped exclusives turn out subhd in the past month or so. oh wait.

[StarScream4Ever]

The war has begun!

Folks get a regular 720p TV and a 1080p TV, play this on both and tell me if there's any difference when sitting 4-5ft away.

Yeup.

[KillerPwned]

People stop being greedy grow up and appericate what you have all this ooo your version is sub-HD crap is so childish. Does a game matter what it is? We have come so far in gaming we should be greatfull for what we have both versions of this game look amazing end of story.

Fu#king kids these days i cant stand them.

[rekof]

Teh horror !! TEH HORROR !!

It looks about the same,.. Its not like you all have 120 inch projectors at home,..

I am getting it for PS3...

[ReBurn]

Dear Lord, more pixel counting. Just like with the last big-budget title that got lambasted over frame buffer resolution versus on-screen, I doubt anyone would know or care if it wasn't for the console warriors. Too bad that many of the people who lambasted that Xbox 360 game are now standing up for the PS3 version of this game. It's very disappointing.

Why don't we focus on what matters? The game is getting great reviews across both versions. More and more people will be enjoying it in the coming days. Shouldn't that be enough?

[mrmikew2018]

I'm truly amazes by the stupidity from some of these comments I read on this site. For example, this lagoonalight person keeps screaming out "confirm" who confirm what? There was not one article that said anything bad about either version, please stop making this into something that it is not.

Edit:

Remember people this is just a rumor. This is becoming a trend for some journalist today, they post most idiotic topics just to get a whole bunch of tragic on their site. Please people just enjoy the game, stop being childish and more importantly, stop showing your ignorance.

[saint_john_paul_ii]

how about you dont get blinded by hype and get your money's worth? you're paying $60 now these days to make sure a game is running in the proper native resolution. this is unnaceptable.

this is exactly like the GTAIV situation. blinded by hype until you realize the crap you you bought.

I want to get my moneys worth off my HDTV and my console, i did not buy a PS3 or a 360 just to play in Standard Definition again.

[ReBurn]

How would you even know what the "native" resolution was without someone telling you? Unless someone with specialized hardware did the analysis and told you what was happening under the covers you would never have a clue. The total nonsense in threads like this makes me wish that the fine folks over at Beyond3D had never bothered to look.

I can't fathom feeling shortchanged on pixels when I know, without a doubt, that the image coming out of my console and displaying on my screen is 720p or 1080p or whatever the console is telling me it is. Sure, something upscaled it along the way. But that's how consoles and their rendering hardware actually work. MGS4 looked outstanding, and it was 1024x768 resampled to 1280×720. As long as the assets that are used to create the image are high enough quality that they can be scaled without looking like crap, then what's the difference?

[nemrawy]

640p!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is not so good :(

But atleast its better than playin a game with 540p *cough* (Alan wake) *cough* (Conviction) specially when they are exclusives...XD

[B00M]

I swear all of a sudden people now dont have HD TV's XD

[mindz]

i found the most fitting song for this thread

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[divideby0]

I cant believe so many have their panties in a bunch about this...go home play the game and you wont even think about this pixel counting. A bud picked it up last nite and woke me up at 1am to tell me how great the game was and how it looked so good..
keep counting pixels and I am gonna play the game...
(btw, I could have both either version and still decided on the PS3 version),
I play games for enjoyment not to count pixels

[ReBurn]

Same here, my friend. I'll be picking up my PS3 copy after work today. I'm itching for some freeroam posse action and PSN will allow me to do that on my own terms.

[PS360PCROCKS]

Well guess I better get the xbox 360 version since I play pixels. /s

[SuperStrokey1123]

Did the 360 have to give up anything to have the better resolution (textures, FPS, etc)? This is just wackyness.

[teedogg80]

I guess R* included the extra content on PS3 only for compensation for the sub-HD graphics lol.

[dougr]

Maybe I'm alone here but I just rented this for ps3 and I must say that it's almost unbearable how jaggy the pic is. The AA is just god awful and makes the game almost unplayable. I'm not a graphics guy by any means but this game is one of the few in which the graphics are making me glad that I did not purchase the game.

[URIELXIV]

360 fanboys coming out the woodwork. wasn't it just the other day they were crying about sony fans "taking over"? lol

[KwietStorm_BLM]

Damn do I miss gaming when crap like this wasn't even brought to the table.

[El Nino]

I dont play pixels, if this game does have a lower resolution on ps3, its not gonna stop me getting it for ps3, i tend to buy most multiplats for my ps3 and then just the 360 exclusives for the 360. If RDR is sub-hd, then yeah the human eye or most people wont be able to tell or even care.

Thats not an issue imo, i'll probably have a blast with this game regardless. Its the fact that rockstar and many other developers would lead us too believe versions are identical, same with crysis 2, they wont be identical, so why say it, your only fueling this kind of anger by lying, either shut up or just be honest...say there will be a few differences (you dont need to go into detail) because of the difference in the architect but it will in no way effect the gameplay and overall product and the enjoyment you get out of it. Thats it, thats all they have to say.

I'd also like it, if publishers or whoever put on the back of the case where the resolution info is (720, 1080 etc) that it is actually 640 or whatever a game may truly be, i dont see the harm, honesty is the best policy for me.

[fooltheman]

Well, great I'm not buying the game ^^
Only have the money for another game lol

[Dance]

the people who were mocking alan wake and splinter cell for not being 720p?

[Statix]

The difference is Alan Wake is one of the biggest 360 exclusives of the year, not a multiplatform game that you of course wouldn't expect to take advantage of each console's strengths.

Not to mention Alan Wake is almost SD-resolution at 540p. 1152x640 is not nearly as drastic the drop in resolution that Alan Wake is.

[hamoor]

ok
then where are the people who bashed ffxiii 360 version for being sub-hd??

[Dance]

one uses (4xAA) and the other uses (2xAA)

[dkgshiz]

Or is it another GTA 4 that got over hyped reviews?

[fooltheman]

I wonder that too

[Statix]

And how many news stories has Computervideogames.com done about how Alan Wake's resolution is 540p, which is nearly SD resolution (480p)? NONE!

See, this is what PS3 fans mean when they speak of what they see as a general bias against the PS3 in many portions of the videogame media. CVG sees it fit to make a big hoopla and feign shock/surprise when Red Dead Redemption is sub-HD on the PS3, even though we already all pretty much expected this considering GTA IV used the same engine 2 years ago and was also sub-HD.

[jjesso1993]

really not good we are getting sub hd games these days I could understand couple years ago but these days we all have hdtv's and its just going to look streched just like alan wake dose rockstar should of worked harder ifamous was 720p so why not this ?

[PirateThom]

Disappointing, but expected.

It's a massive improvement over GTAIV though. It isn't blurry as hell.

[SnakePlissken]

Frys Electronics has the game in store and online for $49.99. Thought id give people the heads up on this deal.

[asdf12]

You could get it from tesco.com for 28 pounds.

[TwistedMetal]

I like my free online, extra content, and the ps3 game cases becuase they are clear and not big and green. I also like that my ps3 is silent as well.

[Tony-A]

Rockstar sure has a problem making games HD, eh? Get it together, guys! You're one of my favorite developers.

Anyways, for all the fanboys out there, this is what I've seen so far:

PlayStation 3 - 2
Xbox 360 - 5

[dougr]

I also like how the background has to be blurred badly with a "heat effect". I just don't know about the looks of this game. The game play is decent although I feel that controlling the horse was done better on Assassins Creed which is pretty pathetic on Rockstars part because horse play is the main thing in this game. I am however glad I didn't buy the hype and purchase this because it doesn't seem like the type of game I could ever play again after I beat it, if I even make it to the end that is.

[FACTUAL evidence]

Rcokstar, haven't you learned since GTA4?....Oh what's that? PS3 fanboys will except the mediocrity anyway? Yeah they're hypocrites.

[fullmetal297]

Ouch, that's gonna give the Sony fanboys large dent in their ego. After the bashing of Alan Wake being subHD, they cannot make any other excuses for themselves. Can't wait to see how the fanboys gonna craw out of this one.

Just bought Alan Wake and the game looks amazing despite being in SubHD.

[testerg35]

So when FF13 for the PS3 was shown as 720p and the 360 version was "subhd", graphics mattered. Now its back to back to gameplay matters.

[N4BmpS]

1st point I wanna make, the article said it's subHD on the PS3, I believe that would fall on the devs not the console. 2nd I doc't care I don't have an HDTV sooo I probably to tell, but I will say, even with my crappy tv that it's gonna look nice sooooo. Graphics is one thing but I wanna know about the gameplay apparently it's great.

[LOLOLFFSA]

Ahh how I love the fanboy wars.
"Moreover, since we've yet to have official confirmation from Rockstar, it's just a rumour for now, and more importantly - who cares?"
Okay so when it appears that Xbox 360 game runs on sub-hd the PS3 fanboys go: LOLOLOL your sub-hd, we has 1080p lolololo !!!!1! And now that a PS3 is sub-hd suddently its not a big deal? Pathetic.. Maybe getting this one soon :D

[Dance]

they are bunch of hypocrites

[johnthe5th]

Anyone in any console war ever is bound to be a hypocrite at some time. I'll just avoid the whole thing and play Mario, Metroid, and Zelda over and over and over again....

JK I also have a PS3 (but Nintendo still owns). I have to agree with you about PS3 fanboys though. The PS3 lineup was really bad until last fall when the slim and Uncharted 2 came out (which is also when I bought my PS3). They always felt this need to viciously defend their console, and now that they are pretty much equal, and the PS3 even pulled ahead for awhile, they are "getting revenge". Its annoying. I don't know why I even visit this site anymore -_-

[Lionsguard]

I prefer the look of the PS3 version in their included screenshots, the nighttime actually looks like night time.

[cygnuszero]

I remember the PS3 version of GTA4 looking blurry to me, then I gamefly'd the 360 version and it was crystal clear.

This is pretty disappointing that they are unable to make great looking PS3 games after all this time.

Im convinced that machine is just too complex for its own good. Its sure plays some great blurays, and the ocational awesome looking game like Uncharted 2, but mostly it just receives crappy ports. GG sony

[drzmvp554]

Honestly, i hope this shuts some Ps3 fanboys up...

[0321]

They still both look the same, I mean when you play the game your not really gonna notice it. They Both look good on all the Platforms, Don't have to worry about this. I mean I'm not worried about it. I will be getting it for PS3 but graphics are not a problem for me, It's the gameplay and how smooth the game runs...

[cmrbe]

How long will it take 3rd party devs to know how to dev properly on the PS3?. 1 or 2 years is enough. There should be no more excuses.

[interrergator]

wow now there is such a thing called sub hd makes no sense at all u guys on this site got issues

[commander]

Would you get it through your head already. Anyone buying muliplats and hoping it will push your console are idiots. 1st party studios are the ones for that. Comparing a multiplat vs an exclusive is retarded at best. This is the reason why FF versus better stay exclusive.

[jack_burt0n]

HOLY SH*T the ps3 version is 720p there are a good few screens around with direct frame buffer grabs.

[johnthe5th]

WHO EFFING CARES?!?!?!?!?!

Seriously, I thought HD actually mattered until I played Mario Galaxy. It looks almost the same as an HD title even on a huge HDTV. So until everyone starts getting 50 foot wide TVs, it DOESN'T MATTER. This website is getting so ridiculous. The only things that make it to the top news are stories like "Why I'm not buying a PS3" and "[insert game name here] confirmed better on the [console name] than on the [other HD console]. Can we get some real news PLEASE?? Xbox fanboys complain that the PS3 fanboys always make fun of them when the PS3 version of a game is better. And they're right. And vice versa. It gets even worse when people try to argue with the FACTS. It has been proven years ago that the PS3 has a better graphical capacity and the 360 has better online play. I wish it just ended there. And besides, no matter if the point you are trying to prove is right or not, nobody is going to buy another console because of something you said.

[hakis86]

I just donæt get why the would make it sub-HD when we know they have a engine/tech to rull HD - if not full HD (AGENT anyone?).
Not likely that they will release a PS3 exclusive that is sub HD lol

[interrergator]

there is no such thing as sub hd why dont you look at the back of the gamebox
and tell me if theres sub hd there kuz ive never heard such a thing

[axerated]

well there's a surprise, but at least it's rockstar, who've never made any outlandish claims about the ps3 being their superior console, as i remember the company behind ghostbusters talkin some trash a couple years ago sayin that the ps3 was letting them do new things they never knew about, and then giving us a battered and bruised port of ghostbusters with savagely below hd res lol. on another note i hope to christ my ps3 copy comes tomorrow!

[Brixxer600]

This will make no difference to me , certainly not going to stop me having a lot of fun with my posse.

[Denethor_II]

*sighs*

[iamnsuperman]

This is disgraceful.. it can't be true. Recent game are the same on both console in every other developer...Poor show Rockstar clearly slipped here...It could be down to the fact it was made by Rockstar San Diego...If it was down by Rockstar North (based in Edinburgh) they wouldn't make this kind of blunder...People from the UK are professional and do the job right

[P_Bomb]

The 360 defense was out in full swing when sub-HD games Splinter Cell Conviction, Alan Wake, Tomb Raider Underworld, Halo 3, FF13 etc etc came out, so people need to stop acting like the hypocrisy doesn't swing BOTH ways! All the people in this thread saying "take that PS3 fanboys", you guys were just as bad, for y-e-a-r-s.

[CharlesDCI]

Then why is my TV saying that its at 720? Is the game upscaled to 720 or something??

[Anotherbobhead]

If a game looks good on a console, can't it just look good? I've been playing the game for going on 6 hours now (I FEEL ASLEEP!) and it looks amazing on PS3. And to anyone out there complaining about this, you seriously wouldn't have even noticed unless you read this article or were looking for something to complain about that, in the end, doesn't even matter.

[silkrevolver]

Technically speaking? sure. Realistically speaking? it doesn’t matter.... at all. Same goes for “Sub-HD” games on the 360: if it looks good, then if F*#King looks good. End of story.

[Dorwrath]

Who cares, enjoy the game on the PS3 or 360 whichever you choose.

Maybe fanboys will learn their lesson, doubt it.

[CernaML]

2K Games were able to fix Bioshock's resolution and make it 720p on the PS3 for Bioshock 2. CAPCOM were able to fix the downscaling on their SF4 engine and have it stay at a consistent 720p image for SSF4. So what the hell, Rockstar?

[Theonik]

Still hoping for a PC version :)

[WetN00dle69]

WOW..................ahh well the game looks amazing and its awesome so i could careless.

[BakedGoods]

360 vs PS3 comparison pic: http://img130.imageshack.us...

[Theonik]

I remember that game lol!

[SpinalRemains138]

It's not quite that bad, but you're on the right track. Great stuff, man

[anonymouse111335]

Oh dear, if it was the other way around you know how it'd be, do have to say though this makes me think of Karma for the PS3 fanboys.

[anonymouse111335]

Funny I get disagrees for stating the obvious, PS3 fanboys seem pretty insecure, and I'm probably trolling because anyone disagrees with you they're trollan right?

[SolidSnake93]

I've always wondered how interesting articles sometimes don't even get 100 degrees, but a simple comparison of two games gets to the top easily.

[SpinalRemains138]

I am getting the reantal tomorrow and Im sure I will enjoy the game, but C'mon Rockstar. It's 2010! Why is it that you didn't make both games native 720P? Why are any games at this point not native 720P?

We see other devs pumping out obscenely amazing games. Rockstar is living off of past glory. They suck monster balls.

[Mkai28]

I think it's rather, no one cares now that both systems have they're share of sub-hd. Each console are better at doing certain task than others I suppose. Could be better lighting on one system, and the other could have better textures. You never know.
But now that no one cares, their should be no more wise cracks about a game being sub-hd.

[Stationfan]

I'm not defending the ps3 fanboys, but part of the reason Alan Wake got so much flak. Was due to the hype of how a game build up from the 360 could surpass anything on the ps3.

I havent played the game but havent heard that the 360 crowned the graphical beast. So i'm guessing that it didnt surpass anything done on the ps3.

Regarding RDR it being Sub hd on the ps3 doesnt negate the fact that the ps3 cant keep up, just means that they didnt tap the ps3 as a 1st part of 2nd party sony developer.

[ChronoJoe]

Rockstar, and gamesradar confirmed the PS3 version of GTAIV is in native 720p in EGM. Gamesradars technical analysis confirms this. This is also the same guy that was wrong then... just saying.

Maybe true, might not be. Probably not but we'll hear from Rockstar. Either way, even when people believe the PS3 version to be running @ sub HD resolution with GTAIV, it was always touted as the superior version due to less popin, and smoother framerate.

I also VERY MUCH doubt either version is running entirely without MSAA. If it's not using MSAA it'll be using MLAA like God of War.

[ZombieStalker]

Ever think that the issue is the game engine....one that is optimized for the 360? Maybe, maybe not. Regardless,look at the reviews, both are getting excellent ratings. Just buy for the system of choice and move on.

[JokesOnYou]

Either way I'm just glad 360 fans aren't crying like so many ps3 extremists did on every FF review posted on n4g that didn't take off points just because of the lower rez between the two, I think 360 fans are mature enough to see that rez alone doesn't make the RDR ps3 version so inferior that sites should rate it as a lesser game, in the end its just looks slightly better on 360, like with most multiplatform games. I just had a call from one of my buds saying RDR is better than GTA4 in everyway, which is good to hear, I'll definitely be getting the 360 version in about a week, but right now I'm working on Alan Wake 2 episodes in so far an its my personal favorite so far this year, graphics and story are amazing.

JOY

[ChronoJoe]

Well it doesn't work like that. If 360 fans were to slam RDR they'd have to accept the inferiority of there system itself, with many of the AAA exclusives being sub-hd. I don't think they'd want to accept that, just saying I don't think it has anything to do with maturity of fanbase.

[stuntman_mike]

just hope they can do better with agent, so far R* look weakest on PS3.

graphics aint everything, but you just feel at times it could be better on both 360/PS3.

And sadly its just about the money at the end of it all.

[chad22hkd]

You are awesome, you make a millions off of gta4. Then you can't even take the time to make a real ps3 engine. I swear some of these developers are con artists. I don't care how difficult the ps3 is to develop for. Or that is cost a little more. I care that you are suppose to be professional. If you sell a product on ps3 you should actually make it quality. I am sick of this generation. Basically ps3 gamers are just running emulators of 360 games. This game is not a real ps3 game. I know a little on how this stuff works. They upgraded the 360 engine a little from gta4. Then just tried to stuff it on the old ps3 engine. I guarantee that this game only uses maybe 2 of the processors. Or maybe rock star is just a lesser developer now. Considering borderlands, mw2, bbc2, and many other could develop for the ps3. Sad maybe they should go back to school for computer science classes. If it's glitchy with frame rate problems, I swear I'm going to contact them about getting my money back it's false advertising. Oh well what can we do, if it looks decent I'll still buy it. I don't care so much that the 360 version looks better. I care that the ps3 version gets screwed on all these 3rd party games. 360 or ps3 we are all still your consumer. We at least the first party Sony teams know how to develop. GT5 will be game of the year anyways, after all of us sony fans criticize and rip your game to shreds. Rock star = Micheal Bolton lol

[Imadoki]

also thanks to microsoft for making such an inferior console...

[NnT3291]

Jesus the res is just 20% lower, the difference is not like day and night. Move on

[SpinalRemains138]

it's not day and night, but the point is that we all buy Hd and next gen systems to view and play the best resolution. The fact that 1st party studios are making beautiful superior games is alarming. You're paying the same price for a game that doesn't look as good.

For all of you that are saying "oh it's no big deal", it is a big deal. Rockstar is making a game that isn't what it could be, and you're buying it. This tells them that it's ok. It's not ok for me. I own a next gen system and i want all HD next gen superiority with every title.

Just because a lot of you guys love SONY oh so much doesn't mean it's ok to defend an inferior made game and subsequently telling the devs it's acceptable to make them and move the gaming market backwards. Just sayin, we should be encouraging the devs to continually move forward. Not focus on one console and gimp the other. This really does piss me off.

[stuntman_mike]

I'm definitely going to wait for this to drop in price (if it does at all) it looks good but I can wait for this.

[thedarkestfaction]

I can live without screen tearing and lower framerate

[chad22hkd]

yeah but you shouldn't have to think like that. You should know what you see is what you get. I hate when a 3rd party game comes out like this. I see previews(normally always the 360 version). I get excited with a like RDR. Just to find out that I'm getting the retarded ps3 version(on more powerful hardware) With less polygons, less hd, often frame rate problems and screen tearing. It just sucks! Now when I see a great 3rd party title, I have to think oh what I have to see what kind of port the ps3 is getting first. It's just there should be a standard, ps3 game and 360 game,not ps360 game. I know the game still looks good. I will still get it if the frame rate screen tearing is ok, just like you. But why do we as ps3 owners even have to think like that. It's utter bs, well atleast most devs are taking their time on ps3 (ports) nowadays.

[lowcarb]

Well I would like to see some AW versus RDR screen shots. Both are pretty but I'm liking what Remedy has pulled off a lot.

[bviperz]

For ALL sub-HD games, regardless of the platform is:

Why can't the developers explain to us why?

[chad22hkd]

Its all about the render. How much the computer can show at one time. It cost more power to render at a higher resolution. Each polygon is more detailed. So at a lower resolution, you can have more game objects and detail. It just won't be as sharp and vibrant of course. So for this gen of consoles, its a choice of a more detailed environment filled with more game objects, or a more sharp and vibrant one. But hd isn't everything. It does make some games look astounding. But no games looks close to real life like tv does in standard definition. If it did it would make the highest resolution look like crap. So it's just to help the game without the weight of a high hd render. But in this case it's just pure laziness. The ps3 is capable of a higher resolution than the 360. Not a giant leap. But a leap no the less. This is just because of a smoother and better running game engine on the 360 side of things. ps3 and 360 are better at running different types of code. The ps3 doesn't really like 360 code. I not a game developer, but I am decent at 3d modeling. Plus I was making a small game on a free engine before. So there you go, that's why(man 3 comments already this morning) I have had to much caffeine.

[SnakePlissken]

So let me get this straight! This person is the only in the world who is claiming this? Ign, game informer and all other game reviewers have not said anything about this and would have if this was the case. They are exactly the same and look the same. Back of the box states 720p, not 640!!! Get a life man!

[MR LOOKINGBILL]

LMAO!!!POOR POOR PS3 CANT DO HD....where's all the ps3 fanboys who ragged Alan Wake ha ha iguess there gone into hiding in there caves.

[Jazz4108]

It is rather amusing but frustrating as well. I have no doubt with the proper tools both AW and ps3 rdd could be hd if they would have made it there goal. I guess we will not know for sure but it sounds like a trade off to get something else up to snuff that they felt was of more importance and its sad as both consoles are capable of much more. Its great to not be fanboy and own both system as I can pick and choose the best from both. The people who only have one console in the case of the ps3 are the ones crying as they were the ones laughing at AW. How sad and arrorgant and childish some of you are as it will always come back and bite ya.

[Tron_Rocks]

Sorry PS3 only fans, maybe you should just stop the fan-boy wars and own both systems as I do. They are cheap enough and then if one great game comes to a system or looks better on a certain system it is a win win situation and you won't be spending your precious time arguing as if you are the official spokesperson for MS or Sony....

I on this game do own it for the 360 but that by no means does not mean I don't have time for the awesomeness of Uncharted 2!

[rbrtchng]

something that I noticed from the screenshots, the PS3 version's camera is more pulled back, so that there's more on the screen at the same time.

[MGRogue2017]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

What's wrong with the PS3 version? .. Practically nothing, Runs perfect. :)

[baodeus]

Oh god, same crap again? Does anyone here really play games anymore?

[flash240]

you know, this is enticing, and this is what happens when you treat games as gods on one console and then when it comes out on another, people wanna make excuses about rdr, stay on the main subject, as much as i hate to say it as a ps3/360 owner, this is a failure *facepalm*

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[edhe]

Time for the hypocrites \o/

[oguzsasi]

Its normal. Its because so hard to get in! Im glad we can play this game too on Ps3! I dont complain about the HD!

[rlm42]

LMAO...
Who's laughing now PS3 fanboys.. Sorry just doing what you little immature people do. GTA IV + Red Dead Redemption, 2 of the biggest games this generation Sub-HD on PS3.

[WitWolfy]

PFFFT... Another 360 game badly ported over to PS3. It sucks when developers say, they are favoring the PS3 from 2010, then don't. Me myself owning both systems doesn't at least leave me in the dark but still, it be great having both consoles playing games with stellar graphics like they should!

And for the people who said Alan Wake looks so awesome, seriously need to get their eyes tested. I literally died a little when i played it on Saturday... 5 years in development and i've never seen so many pixels since windows 98... But still fun enough to play though

[spinbot_lv1]

stop trolling, RDR has only little noticeable differences when you compare both version.ps3 version is blurried due lower resolution.xbox360 version has richer colors and clear textures due the higher resolution but ps3 version has better antialiasing and V-sync.in the end both version have their pros and cons.the ps3 version of RDR performs & plays exactly the same as it's X360 counterpart. both still enjoyable.

[rlm42]

Wait spinbot.. "xbox360 version has richer colors and clear textures due the higher resolution but ps3 version has better antialiasing and V-sync"

So the PS3 version is in the exact same situation as Alan Wake, lower resolution but higher antialiasing.. And Alan Wake was also still enjoyable, but boy did that game + the 360 itself get hammered by PS3 fanboys. So why shouldn't this be the same? This game is huge, surely PS3 owners want the best possible resolution.

[spinbot_lv1]

nope.
alan wake resolution is 540p near sd resolution.
red dead redemption ps3 version is 640p near hd resolution.
there's an huge difference. however cod:mw2 runs at the same resolution of Rdr.

[labwarrior]

The foaliage looks terrible and i can barely make out anything in PS3 version, while look amazing on 360

Of course will get the 360 one

[labwarrior]

RDR should have never come to PS3 actually, they just made it for money, but sacrificed face

[Stuart5756]

I've got both 360 & PS3 because I'm a gamer not a stupid fanboy, but I will say this, I'll be picking up the PS3 version with 20% less pixels and 80% less console noise!

[phinch]

I mean ff13 on was sub HD but got the same score, so if this is any different I will no longer listen to reviews

[lowcarb]

I'm enjoying Aw visuals better than RDR and it's sub hd. Well I guess I could careless because I get to play them both anyway.

[orange-skittle]

about any of that stuff. I love both consoles. If I could squeeze them both together tightly, I would have sex with them. I do prefer XBL over PSN, but as far as which system is better...they both have strengths and weaknesses. PS needs a new controller though. Those triggers are horrendous

[stuntman_mike]

A true Pot Noodle of a game!