Xbox 360 is going to get even better, says Molyneux

Lionhead boss Peter Molyneux has predicted that the best is still to come from Xbox 360, as developers learn to take full advantage of the system's hardware.

[Kran]

I thought what Microsoft has done now WAS the best they could do ¬¬

[Ryudo]

The emphasize the context of every comment to come here. Troll Troll Troll, Dribble Dribble Dribble, Troll Troll Troll.

[Kran]

So does your comment make you a troll right now? After all, you are the third one down right now, until someone else replies nalyd.

@Ryudo below

Says the one trying to prove a pointless point rather than ignoring it.

[Jocosta]

Its "Drivel" not "Dribble".

[Ryudo]

Actually I meant it in the English context sometimes used for drooling...

http://www.wrongdiagnosis.c...

Thanks for "Trying" not "Being" a smart ass though.

[Jocosta]

Oh, so you meant they are literally drooling, still makes no sense. Your just covering up your mistake.

[Chug]

Its "you're" not "your"

[NaiNaiNai]

actually, dribble would insist they are idiots, or you know retarded.

[Biggest]

He makes it seem as if someone actually clicks the "reply" button, drools on the keyboard, and clicks "Add reply". Your bad, Ryudo. That was dumb.

[NiKK_419]

why are you even talking about trolls? you're one of the biggest trolls here right now

[jke82]

says the pot to the kettle
*above*

[snp]

Not that i want to the defend this character, but dribble is fine in my book.

It may well be the case he meant 'drivel', i don't know. But regardless 'dribble' works in context as a visual metaphor for the act of attempting coherent speech here, but achieving not much more than something associated with the physically infantile and in this case (if you're inclined to imagine the state of the person via their words), not particularly pleasant for others to be an audience to.

Sorry, but it annoys me a little when people claim language must follow a single line only with no metaphorical leaps to add colour and life (as if it's mathematics). Seemingly for no other reason than they themselves aren't too good at following these leaps and glimmers when they're sprinkled around. Confusing that 'inability/limitation' with 'a superior knowledge of language/grammar' or some such thing.

[the_best_player]

No games for 360 this year, PS3 has 20 plus exclusives thats just this year.

[majiebeast]

@kamakaz
Wahahahaha gears 3 yeah now try and say that with a straight face.

[Biggest]

At least he didn't say Rage. I guess Gears is close enough for them to start using that as their holy grail. It was boring with all the "THIS multiplat will be better than ANYTHING on the PS3!"

[wages of sin]

Yes, yes we know. No games blah, blah, blah. Meanwhile you have "20 exclusives" that may or may not be good. You have 20 exclusives of which most people will purchase two or three. You have 20 exclusives that still have you at a massive loss in mind share. From first to third.

Because you know, all those AWESOME (awesome meaning WAY overrated) exclusives have you in first place around the world in the minds of gamers and sales. PS3 fanboys are amazingly delusional. It's like a sad cult.

And yes, I own a PS3. I'm just not crazy like most of you clowns.

[limewax]

Well a lot of these exclusive have a particular target audience anyway. KZ3 wasnt for me, LBP2 was and so will infamous and many others. they're an option.... One 360 gamers dont have now unless they wish to purchase games from yesteryears catalogue. No joke I own a 360 and play it everyday. Playing games I bought 3-4 years ago most of the time.

But as for the party chat, I personally think this is intentional. Party chat actually destroyed live in many ways. I play Lone-Wolf. I dont do parties, But I work with and communicate with the team I am thrown into.

How do you propose I do that when everybody is locked off in clusters of private chat? PVT chat used to split games when it was one on one.

Nowadays there no point playing games like CoD etc unless you are already in a party chat group. And before you say get friends lol, I got them but I dont find it fun playing the same people every day. So please tell me why Party chat is so important again?

[Active Reload]

And all of them except 1 or 2 will be average at best. Moving along...

[jke82]

above

yeah maybe average at best, maybe mind blowing...but since game development is a chance industry full of hit or miss in your mind...you would probably like a few more chances to find a hit...say 17 more or so.......ya know just sayin

[the_best_player]

high quality PS3 exclusives

[TheDivine]

Ps3 has 3 good games this year kz3, uncharted 3, and resistance 3. Infoumous sucks, lbp2 is boring, what else is there again? Oh yea mlb boring as hell. Ps3 isnt that great this year, better multiplats anyways and im waiting for vs13 and last guardian which will prob be in 2013 lol.

Its sad you judge a system by how many games horrible or not it has.

[xPhearR3dx]

dosnt mean the good bitch

[Aarix]

Man I wish I had $1200 for all those awesome exclusives because everyone knows ps3 exclusives beat any game ever made. (end sarcasm)

[palaeomerus]

" look @ how mad the 360 fanboys are AHAHAHAH!!"

If by "mad" you mean "not buying most of the PS3 exclusives for lack of interest"...yeah. Guilty.

I already bought KZ3 and want Resistance 3. I'll get Uncharted 3 too but I want to wait a while and get ti cheaper probably next summer because once November hits I'll belong to Skyrim. That's it. That's all I want. The rest sound boring, crappy, niche, waggly, short artsy DLC crap, otherwise forgettable, or else they are stuff I'll either rent or buy at a much lower price in a year or two (Motorstorm: Apocalypse, Infamous 2).

Hey, but at least YOU'RE proud of 'em and excited about them right?

I'm going with multiplats mainly BECAUSE I ACTUALLY WANT THEM WAY MORE THAN I DO THE SUPPOSEDLY EXCITING PS3 EXCLUSIVES LIKE SORCERY, MOVE HEORES, OR R&C:ALL 4 ONE.

With Crysis 2, Portal 2, Duke Nukem: Forever, L.A. NOIRE, Brink, Rage, Red Faction: Armageddon, Torchlight 2, Deus Ex: Human Revolution, Gears of War 3,Elder Scrolls V:Skyrim, Saints Row III, I don't really have time or money to worry much about the PS3 exclusives.

May and November are REALLY going to kick my wallet's ass.

[xAlmostPro]

Let me guess this is all because of the new tech demo's surfacing containing things that can't actually(in factual terms) run on the cnsole unless it was a game at like 10fps and 3 discs lol(or 2 hours long)

Although i hope they do, that way i can stop feeling sorry for 360 hardcore gamers that have a lack of exclusives, friends may think twice about selling their console and i may even re-buy a 360.. although i still don't see anything major coming to 360..

Microsoft are to busy rolling in kinects money

[IcarusOne]

"containing things that can't actually(in factual terms) run on the cnsole unless it was a game at like 10fps and 3 discs lol(or 2 hours long)"

Can you back this up with specifics? I'm curious what tech is being used in that demo that's impossible to run efficiently on consoles. And since you said "consoles" and not "xbox", I'm assuming that means the PS3 can't run it either.

So again, what's the tech?

[xAlmostPro]

@IcarusOne

There has been 2 tech demo's the one by Epic games and the other tessalation one by this guys studio.

The GPU in the 360 supports hardware tessalation, and thats what 360 fans are hyping about. Saying they've kept it hidden so after these years it can now become even better and far more graphical.

Fact is Tessalation uses a great amount of other resources, so they couldn't use it for everything through-out a full game because like i said the rest of the consoles resources would limit it, such as RAM, disc space etc. Mean although they could use it it won't be efficient and will probably be for something like one games water or fire effect or something, which tbh will be cool but won't create anything groundbreaking.

As for the ps3 i could be wrong but im pretty sure the ps3's GPU doesn't support tessalation, but the ps3 has already used software tessalation for some games :)

Tessalation is the tech im talking about, it's not even 'new'

[damnyouretall]

i love my 360 and all but this joker hypes everything. his games never live up to the hype either. and the milo game had me excited then come to find out it was staged. im not taking his word for shit.

[Bravo4]

Well first they need more people (AKA first party studios) who would actually take the time to max it. That is if it can still be maxed. On the PS3 side you got devs on the same "team" fighting against each other! Naughty Dog, GG , Sony Santa Monica, etc. All these 3 are currently working on new games too.

Not trying to be a fanboy here, just sayin' the truth.

[Starhawk]

A MS employee saying good things about the 360, color me surprised. ^^

[Aarix]

Well maybe he knows something we don't. Lol

[shoddy]

thier multiplat are great but very unnoticable.
ps3 AAA exclusive graphic look better than any multiplat games.
you can just tell by the naked eye.

GOW3 and U2 have so much detail on the characters.
mg4 4 too.

[kookie]

Ok Molyneux E3 this year

[stonecold3]

not really a hardware 6 year and its been tapped quite sometime and with 6 year hardware a console can go far and 360 has peaked already to be honest peace out ?

[B1663r]

Well if the reports are true about XBox's tesselation technology that has been locked up until now, the xbox has another five years of being the dominant console.

Once you get into the crazy high number of polygons on screen at any given time, you stop using pixel shaders, and use vertex shaders exclusively. This allows for the xbox to bypass all the existing limits of lighting models, which by their nature are aproximations. Once models become point clouds, radiocity lighting models and sub surface scatter really start to take off, allowing a whole new level of graphics capabilities.

Also, if I am understanding what is happening, with tesselation, you no longer need to process normal maps, light maps or even texture maps. Each pixel in the point cloud that represents objects merely has a location, normal, color and transparency allowing for extremely high frequency rendering, of effects that were previously done with pixel shaders, and all their associated maps.

This is a double whammy, becuase it also appears to massively reduce the memory footprint of graphic assets.

If what appears to happening here, is indeed the case, Sony will pay dearly for the choices they made with the PS3, and Microsoft has successfully kept a whole new level of capability of the xbox secret.

[xAlmostPro]

It hasn't been 'locked' it just hasn't been used..

Not only that but those articles were only stating that the GPU in the 360 supports it, not that the 360 can and will use it.. other things need to be accounted for such as RAM, disc space, power and other things.

I really wouldn't count on it tbh, they may figure out ways to use it but they won't be able to use large amounts at all.

Without sounding harsh, what you're saying makes you sound like you're 'dreaming'

[B1663r]

Incorrect. Tesselation will reduce the memory foot prints of models, because you no longer need different levels of detail in the models. Also, as previously stated, you can get rid of texture maps, normal maps, and light maps, which are all stored in different levels of detail. Surface characteristics become stored in "materials" which will be several orders of power smaller than the traditional series of detail maps that current techniques use. Also, none of this precludes the use of decals, which would be applied to the color of the vertex structure.

That means the graphics data for a game will actually be smaller and take of less space, allowing for much more detail. Also, in researching this, I found that there are a number of techniqes that have been recently developed that allow conversion from traditional polymeshs to patch based modeling systems.

So another way of thinking of tesselation is as a means of data compression.

[Dark_king]

Its never been locked away and has been used in several games already.Reach used it for water if I remember correctly.The 360 gpu can do tessalation but its nowhere near current gpu tessalation.Its missing a couple pipelines that allow it to run really smooth.O and PS3 can use tessalation to its just not hardware.

[Otheros00]

Hardware tessellation is not usable on the 360. The devs have been only using software tessellation. Halo reach water is using software tessellation.

[B1663r]

Dark_King,

Incorrect. The xbox xenon processor has dynamic tesselation technology. The 250 million tesselated surfaces it can do per second is enough to teselate a polygon for every pixel on the screen at 60fps, at 1080p resolution. If you would take to time to look into how tesselation is done, you would see that this capability is more than adequate for a game engine to be designed that works entirely on tesselation...

Like that GDC demo we saw the other day.

[Dark_king]

Your right I was wrong its not the pipelines its missing its a couple of stages the domain shader and hull shader. http://developer.amd.com/gp...

[awiseman]

Hes probably referring to the new game engine that they are working on...It does look good. But moly tends to toot his horn alot..Look at Fable 3...it was lackluster compared to the other 2...

[DiRtY]

I totally understand the part where he says that one side of him wants a new generation of hardware and one does not.

Same here.

[DA_SHREDDER]

only way its possible is if gets cloud gaming. Otherwise I don't see what else Microsoft could do considering it has like 2 in house studios. Rare doesn't count cause they haven't made a decent game since Conker.

[ReBurn]

Cloud gaming? How does that relate with number of studios? Someone still needs to make the games Unless you're saying that the only way that the 360 will remain viable is if it is a thin client for PC games streamed via broadband. Which at this point isn't really necessary, but might be a nice option.

[palaeomerus]

Cloud gaming has nothing to do with anything. And you don't see what MS could do because you don't now shit about hardware, software or anything else and just want to run your ignorant fanboy mouth a lot. Who cares if you count rare as a developer or not? Who the hell counts YOU as important?

[user9422077]

Wow, a Microsoft employee saying good things about the company he works for?!

How dare he!

The cheek of some people these days; it's shocking.

Well done CVG, you grace us readers with yet another not-so-obvious article. Bravo, keep it up.

[Jocosta]

Reading these comments is making my head hurt.

[Xfanboy]

Same reasony ps3 is the best version of mgsr! wvwn over pc..

[divideby0]

Peter M... even he admitted he overpromises and underdelivers.

I know we will see better games on the 360 as time goes on.

I just never listen to Peter M.

[divideby0]

DAs really should read articles vs skim headlines..
Go find Peter M. article about he said he over promised on Fable..... even he admitted it.

and since he now works for MS, what do you expect him to say.. exactly the same stuff as a Sony rep.

stop being a sheep

[Droid Control]

Molyneux: Shut up!

[HeavenlySnipes]

Molyneux, you KNOW ITS TRUE

/s

Make a Fable game better than the first one and maybe you can be seen as credible again. The past two Fable games have been about holding hands and getting married to generic looking NPCs.
-______-

[Cha0tik]

I believe that the PS3 has a lot of power that the xbox 360 can't produce... its not the hardware that makes the 360 its the community and social features that makes XBL which is what makes the 360 any good. Any power "locked" or "unused" in the 360 im sure Sony can kill it on terms of graphics and games (NO IM NOT SAYING THE 360 doesn't have any good games because Gears and Halo are really amazing games) but till Sony learns from the features of XBL and finds a way to bring the 360/XBL fanbase reason to cross over to PS3/PSN then yes Xbox will be the better community platform but NEVER will the 360 have more power than the PS3.

[shoddy]

not even xchat.
since you play different game don't you need to concentrate on your game. what there to xchat for?
a message would be suffice.

all I use see play free online and chat with friends while in party.

[Burning_Finger]

WIth more kinect games...

Fable 3 looks like Fable 2...so much for the improvement../s

[CanadianTurtle]

Yea thats a good idea, take Molyneux's word for it...

[DrFUD]

Exactly.
It's almost pointless to say he's lying because that means he may have spoken some truth at some point in time unknown to man.
Therefore instead of calling him a liar we should celebrate his creativity and proclaim the man to be the greatest storyteller who ever lived because everything he says is a story.

[Krakn3Dfx]

In other news, Coca Cola employee goes on record calling the new Onion Flavored Coke "The best Coke yet".

[MaximusPrime]

Sound like déjà vu. I'm pretty sure i heard this one a year ago and two years ago

[byeGollum]

they just need more custom engines... Cryenegine3 for example, crysis2 is running on that.. the best looking game at the moment.. if microsoft had more first party studios we'd see more awesome looking stuff.. future is bright for all consoles.. hardware doesn't matter too much

[AntiHeroComplex]

if hardware doesnt matter why arent you gaming on the Wii?

Idiotic statement bro.

@Below

Technically you can even game on N64 or SNES. If thats what floats your boat go ahead. Ill stick to PC/ current console gen gaming.

[byeGollum]

there are games on all platforms, regardless of hardware strength, for example, a console isn't as powerful as a full fledged PC, does that mean I should stop gaming on my console?

[Raven_Nomad]

Glad to see a developer pretty much admit that even now nobody is really taking full advantage of the 360.

The worst part about new consoles is, they usually never live up to what we were told they could do and secondly the launch titles are pretty bad and lastly the first couple of years of games, even first party games don't take advantage of the new hardware in the least. Which is why I'd rather see companies strive to make better games now.

If you look at games like Rage on the 360 and Crysis 2 and Mass Effect 2, these games look stunning, the developers really took the time to work on their respective games. Now days people want sequels out every two years, which isn't very exciting and it's annoying to think you'll have to buy the next installment so soon after you just finished the last one.

People wonder why there isn't much improvement on a game that's only being developed in a 2 year cycle.

Anyway, as I've stated before. So much R&D went into Kinect that I figured we'd see less exclusives from them, thankfully the year has the best 3rd party support I've ever seen in all my years of gaming.

Next year we'll probably see things like Halo, Kingdoms, Metro 2034, Alan Wake 2, Fable 4 ect... I'm not about to complain about a gaming console that has given me six years of fun, cant wait to see what's next on the 360, hopefully Peter is using those new tech demo's we saw on Fable 4, which would absolutely blow people away.

[powney91]

This is hilarious. If this article was about Naughty Dog or Santa Monica talking about the PS3's future power, then everyone would be like "OMG this is amazing. PS3 always giving. the cell ftw" But as soon as its something about the 360...automatically it MUST be untrue :@

[madjedi]

@powney91 Uh huh and the primary issue is the messenger, how many people in this comment section alone have pointed out that the guy over promises and under delivers.

This isn't the ps3 rox and 360 sux fanboy type comments, ms picked a bad spokesperson to tell gamers about this new tech/engine. If this is a new engine designed to fully utilise the 360(not the unreal engine/another mp engine), ms still needs a really solid 1st party dev to show off the 360's power. Maybe 343 will be that studio, only time will tell.

"If this article was about Naughty Dog or Santa Monica talking about the PS3's future power, then everyone would be like "OMG this is amazing."

Yeah ng and sony santa monica, as well as other sony first party devs for the last year or 2 have been one upping each other by making their games even better than the previous exclusive released.

So you'll have to forgive ps3 owners for having faith, in 1st party & second party devs that have produced better titles with each new release.

They stepped up and proved they aren't all talk, what other reasons do i need.

[powney91]

If I worked at Microsoft, and I got to choose the spokesperson who spoke about this new tech, you know what? I'd choose the guy who'd just won a bafta. It's all about publicity and marketing, and Peter Molyneux is in the spotlight right now, so it makes sense. Yeah, he does over promise, you're right. But I just think people are being WAY too judgemental.

[Masterchef2007]

Didnt they say a long time ago that they maxed out the 360?

[ReBurn]

Developers always say they're maxing out the hardware. Rarely is it actually true.

[rlm41]

If the 360 is maxed out then so is the PS3, or we would be seeing 120fps games at 1080p.

Developers are *Limited* to what they can do on both systems but nothing is ever maxed out.

[krazykombatant]

LOL maybe he was talking to the BIOWARE employee that made that review for DAII XD!

[NeloAnjelo]

Molyneux try making your games better. Fable III was such a disappointment after 2 being so good.

[Killzone3___]

we will see...

[x5exotic]

What is better than crap? hmmmm

[MeNoRasta]

Its like a ps3 devolper saying "ps3 is getting better" they just say that stuff to get more sales.

[Neko_Mega]

Yeah that is why the PS3 offers more then 360 now uh?

Yeah trolling gets you no where.

[MeNoRasta]

If fanboyism is a race then you must be one.

[Neko_Mega]

Wow nice, did you think of that by yourself or did someone need to help you type it?

Really mature, but not a shock when almost everyone on XBL is five years old and crys on mic.

[Legendary-Status]

MS is a traitor 2 every console it put's out.. you'll get a good 2 n half year's out of it..after that on 2 the next..umm im not buying it..haha.. bunch of talk..

[sp1deynut]

1.) The 360 is only MS's 2nd console
2.) Xbox lasted 4-5 years... 360 is already on it's 6th.
3.) Stop being an ignorant fantroll, and posting stupid BS.

[StupidDude]

This guy just said the other day that he purposefully makes shit up.

So, there you go.

[mcstorm]

Well if yhe videos of the new tech software ms showed off yesterday are amything to go by then yes the 360 is going to get better. But if you look at the 360 since it came out it has got better and better each year in terms of software updates ect. So if ms carry on doing this to the console for the next few years then it will carry on getting better.

[SuperSaiyan4]

That's what he is talking about ;-)

[Master_S]

Xbox 360 have the best multi games,PS3 IS A CRAP.

[Der_Kommandant]

a very powerful, amazing, awesome crap

[SnakeMustDie]

And they call this site pro-ps3

[DFresh]

Until I see prove I'm not gonna believe it.
Moleneux is known for over hyping.
:)

[Der_Kommandant]

Kinectimals 2?

[LycanSoldier]

Half the replies in this article make me feel embarrassed to be a gamer.

[iNFAMOUZ1]

no shit me too

[midgard227]

the novembers price hike without adding new features and lack of exclusives in 2011 part of getting better?

if there is more than gears 3 coming out this year and kinect games plz enlighten me because i think that gears will be the only thing turning it on this year......hehe i said turn it on..hehe

[VelvetHammer]

So what was his excuse for fable 3?

[soren]

wow look at the sony fan boys in this site its a shame y atk ppl when they say 360 is gona get better? i dont like xbox but do i come here talken crap about it or say yeah right wow ppl have issues! just like when a 3ds thread comes out ppl go on it and be like npg day one like uh thats nice

[Haseo106]

He should care about the next Fable because Fable 3 was not as good as he said it would be!

[rezzah]

He predicted.

I predict the world will end tomorrow...

Based on what you say?

Exactly

Developers have been using the 360 in every possible way. Not only that but it's the longest running next gen console on the market AND the easiest to develop for when compared to the PS3. We need to see less talking and more great looking games like Gears 3. The problem is...all we see is Gear 3 nothing else. Sure you may consider it to be the only game you need for a year or so, but people need variety in great games. Not a single game.

Edit: We didn't pay for a console to play 1 amazing game, give us our money's worth.

[Kahvipannu]

If we just talk about visuals, there is/coming other games too that look simply amazing, like Batman:AC, Crysis 2, AC's, Alan Wake, BF 3 propably (BC2 had already amazing overal visuals), Skyrim, etc..

Games already look amazing overall, so there really isn't much to complain about gfx in these days. Can't remember when I played last time a "ugly" game.

What X0 really needs imo, is to have sequals to RARE games like PD, Conker, Kameo, KI, and Banjo. That's five games fans have been wanting for years, and both platforms need more platforming games, specially X0. But I have feeling that since Rare is now mostly doing stuff for Kinect, if these titels come out, they might be Kinect ones.. :/

[Kahvipannu]

Well when this statment comes from Molyneux, u know.. But ofcourse X0 is getting better with every new good game that comes out, and the games have been improving over time.

[iNFAMOUZ1]

I as a owner of both 360 and ps3 don't like to hate on either, although I do admit in the past I have, but now im neutral, and I hate the wii :), but seriously some of yall need to stop bashing on every 360 dev's comments!, its pathetic and immature, IF a DEVELOPER says the 360 can do more, then it is what it is. Are you all developers??? no. So stop bashing and go get a refill of your mountain dew faggots

[Whackedorange]

If he says so i guess it must be true.....

Honestly i miss what the Playstation brand is known for and i really hate the way it have turned. Nowadays they make alot of brainless fps and last generation i really liked the brand cause it had plenty of RPG but this time around they hardly have anything that is worth playing.

[Cyb3r]

We have been hearing this since the beginning of last year

[jay2]

Ummm, NO. 360 want's to go with dis-Kinect, Milo was the only thing that remotely that made me want Dis-Kinect....