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Xbox 360 is going to get even better, says Molyneux

Lionhead boss Peter Molyneux has predicted that the best is still to come from Xbox 360, as developers learn to take full advantage of the system's hardware.

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Kran4464d ago

I thought what Microsoft has done now WAS the best they could do ¬¬

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Ryudo4464d ago

The emphasize the context of every comment to come here. Troll Troll Troll, Dribble Dribble Dribble, Troll Troll Troll.

Kran4464d ago (Edited 4464d ago )

So does your comment make you a troll right now? After all, you are the third one down right now, until someone else replies nalyd.

@Ryudo below

Says the one trying to prove a pointless point rather than ignoring it.

Jocosta4464d ago

Its "Drivel" not "Dribble".

Ryudo4464d ago (Edited 4464d ago )

Actually I meant it in the English context sometimes used for drooling...

http://www.wrongdiagnosis.c...

Thanks for "Trying" not "Being" a smart ass though.

Jocosta4464d ago (Edited 4464d ago )

Oh, so you meant they are literally drooling, still makes no sense. Your just covering up your mistake.

Chug4464d ago

Its "you're" not "your"

NaiNaiNai4464d ago

actually, dribble would insist they are idiots, or you know retarded.

Biggest4464d ago

He makes it seem as if someone actually clicks the "reply" button, drools on the keyboard, and clicks "Add reply". Your bad, Ryudo. That was dumb.

NiKK_4194464d ago

why are you even talking about trolls? you're one of the biggest trolls here right now

jke824464d ago (Edited 4464d ago )

says the pot to the kettle
*above*

snp4463d ago (Edited 4463d ago )

Not that i want to the defend this character, but dribble is fine in my book.

It may well be the case he meant 'drivel', i don't know. But regardless 'dribble' works in context as a visual metaphor for the act of attempting coherent speech here, but achieving not much more than something associated with the physically infantile and in this case (if you're inclined to imagine the state of the person via their words), not particularly pleasant for others to be an audience to.

Sorry, but it annoys me a little when people claim language must follow a single line only with no metaphorical leaps to add colour and life (as if it's mathematics). Seemingly for no other reason than they themselves aren't too good at following these leaps and glimmers when they're sprinkled around. Confusing that 'inability/limitation' with 'a superior knowledge of language/grammar' or some such thing.

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the_best_player4464d ago

No games for 360 this year, PS3 has 20 plus exclusives thats just this year.

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majiebeast4464d ago

@kamakaz
Wahahahaha gears 3 yeah now try and say that with a straight face.

Biggest4464d ago

At least he didn't say Rage. I guess Gears is close enough for them to start using that as their holy grail. It was boring with all the "THIS multiplat will be better than ANYTHING on the PS3!"

wages of sin4464d ago (Edited 4464d ago )

Yes, yes we know. No games blah, blah, blah. Meanwhile you have "20 exclusives" that may or may not be good. You have 20 exclusives of which most people will purchase two or three. You have 20 exclusives that still have you at a massive loss in mind share. From first to third.

Because you know, all those AWESOME (awesome meaning WAY overrated) exclusives have you in first place around the world in the minds of gamers and sales. PS3 fanboys are amazingly delusional. It's like a sad cult.

And yes, I own a PS3. I'm just not crazy like most of you clowns.

limewax4464d ago (Edited 4464d ago )

Well a lot of these exclusive have a particular target audience anyway. KZ3 wasnt for me, LBP2 was and so will infamous and many others. they're an option.... One 360 gamers dont have now unless they wish to purchase games from yesteryears catalogue. No joke I own a 360 and play it everyday. Playing games I bought 3-4 years ago most of the time.

But as for the party chat, I personally think this is intentional. Party chat actually destroyed live in many ways. I play Lone-Wolf. I dont do parties, But I work with and communicate with the team I am thrown into.

How do you propose I do that when everybody is locked off in clusters of private chat? PVT chat used to split games when it was one on one.

Nowadays there no point playing games like CoD etc unless you are already in a party chat group. And before you say get friends lol, I got them but I dont find it fun playing the same people every day. So please tell me why Party chat is so important again?

Active Reload4464d ago

And all of them except 1 or 2 will be average at best. Moving along...

jke824464d ago

above

yeah maybe average at best, maybe mind blowing...but since game development is a chance industry full of hit or miss in your mind...you would probably like a few more chances to find a hit...say 17 more or so.......ya know just sayin

the_best_player4464d ago

high quality PS3 exclusives

TheDivine4463d ago (Edited 4463d ago )

Ps3 has 3 good games this year kz3, uncharted 3, and resistance 3. Infoumous sucks, lbp2 is boring, what else is there again? Oh yea mlb boring as hell. Ps3 isnt that great this year, better multiplats anyways and im waiting for vs13 and last guardian which will prob be in 2013 lol.

Its sad you judge a system by how many games horrible or not it has.

xPhearR3dx4463d ago

dosnt mean the good bitch

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Aarix4463d ago

Man I wish I had $1200 for all those awesome exclusives because everyone knows ps3 exclusives beat any game ever made. (end sarcasm)

palaeomerus4463d ago (Edited 4463d ago )

" look @ how mad the 360 fanboys are AHAHAHAH!!"

If by "mad" you mean "not buying most of the PS3 exclusives for lack of interest"...yeah. Guilty.

I already bought KZ3 and want Resistance 3. I'll get Uncharted 3 too but I want to wait a while and get ti cheaper probably next summer because once November hits I'll belong to Skyrim. That's it. That's all I want. The rest sound boring, crappy, niche, waggly, short artsy DLC crap, otherwise forgettable, or else they are stuff I'll either rent or buy at a much lower price in a year or two (Motorstorm: Apocalypse, Infamous 2).

Hey, but at least YOU'RE proud of 'em and excited about them right?

I'm going with multiplats mainly BECAUSE I ACTUALLY WANT THEM WAY MORE THAN I DO THE SUPPOSEDLY EXCITING PS3 EXCLUSIVES LIKE SORCERY, MOVE HEORES, OR R&C:ALL 4 ONE.

With Crysis 2, Portal 2, Duke Nukem: Forever, L.A. NOIRE, Brink, Rage, Red Faction: Armageddon, Torchlight 2, Deus Ex: Human Revolution, Gears of War 3,Elder Scrolls V:Skyrim, Saints Row III, I don't really have time or money to worry much about the PS3 exclusives.

May and November are REALLY going to kick my wallet's ass.

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xAlmostPro4464d ago

Let me guess this is all because of the new tech demo's surfacing containing things that can't actually(in factual terms) run on the cnsole unless it was a game at like 10fps and 3 discs lol(or 2 hours long)

Although i hope they do, that way i can stop feeling sorry for 360 hardcore gamers that have a lack of exclusives, friends may think twice about selling their console and i may even re-buy a 360.. although i still don't see anything major coming to 360..

Microsoft are to busy rolling in kinects money

IcarusOne4463d ago

"containing things that can't actually(in factual terms) run on the cnsole unless it was a game at like 10fps and 3 discs lol(or 2 hours long)"

Can you back this up with specifics? I'm curious what tech is being used in that demo that's impossible to run efficiently on consoles. And since you said "consoles" and not "xbox", I'm assuming that means the PS3 can't run it either.

So again, what's the tech?

xAlmostPro4463d ago

@IcarusOne

There has been 2 tech demo's the one by Epic games and the other tessalation one by this guys studio.

The GPU in the 360 supports hardware tessalation, and thats what 360 fans are hyping about. Saying they've kept it hidden so after these years it can now become even better and far more graphical.

Fact is Tessalation uses a great amount of other resources, so they couldn't use it for everything through-out a full game because like i said the rest of the consoles resources would limit it, such as RAM, disc space etc. Mean although they could use it it won't be efficient and will probably be for something like one games water or fire effect or something, which tbh will be cool but won't create anything groundbreaking.

As for the ps3 i could be wrong but im pretty sure the ps3's GPU doesn't support tessalation, but the ps3 has already used software tessalation for some games :)

Tessalation is the tech im talking about, it's not even 'new'

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damnyouretall4463d ago

i love my 360 and all but this joker hypes everything. his games never live up to the hype either. and the milo game had me excited then come to find out it was staged. im not taking his word for shit.

Bravo44463d ago

Well first they need more people (AKA first party studios) who would actually take the time to max it. That is if it can still be maxed. On the PS3 side you got devs on the same "team" fighting against each other! Naughty Dog, GG , Sony Santa Monica, etc. All these 3 are currently working on new games too.

Not trying to be a fanboy here, just sayin' the truth.

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Starhawk4464d ago (Edited 4464d ago )

A MS employee saying good things about the 360, color me surprised. ^^

Aarix4464d ago

Well maybe he knows something we don't. Lol

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shoddy4464d ago

thier multiplat are great but very unnoticable.
ps3 AAA exclusive graphic look better than any multiplat games.
you can just tell by the naked eye.

GOW3 and U2 have so much detail on the characters.
mg4 4 too.

kookie4464d ago (Edited 4464d ago )

Ok Molyneux E3 this year

stonecold34464d ago

not really a hardware 6 year and its been tapped quite sometime and with 6 year hardware a console can go far and 360 has peaked already to be honest peace out ?

B1663r4464d ago

Well if the reports are true about XBox's tesselation technology that has been locked up until now, the xbox has another five years of being the dominant console.

Once you get into the crazy high number of polygons on screen at any given time, you stop using pixel shaders, and use vertex shaders exclusively. This allows for the xbox to bypass all the existing limits of lighting models, which by their nature are aproximations. Once models become point clouds, radiocity lighting models and sub surface scatter really start to take off, allowing a whole new level of graphics capabilities.

Also, if I am understanding what is happening, with tesselation, you no longer need to process normal maps, light maps or even texture maps. Each pixel in the point cloud that represents objects merely has a location, normal, color and transparency allowing for extremely high frequency rendering, of effects that were previously done with pixel shaders, and all their associated maps.

This is a double whammy, becuase it also appears to massively reduce the memory footprint of graphic assets.

If what appears to happening here, is indeed the case, Sony will pay dearly for the choices they made with the PS3, and Microsoft has successfully kept a whole new level of capability of the xbox secret.

xAlmostPro4464d ago

It hasn't been 'locked' it just hasn't been used..

Not only that but those articles were only stating that the GPU in the 360 supports it, not that the 360 can and will use it.. other things need to be accounted for such as RAM, disc space, power and other things.

I really wouldn't count on it tbh, they may figure out ways to use it but they won't be able to use large amounts at all.

Without sounding harsh, what you're saying makes you sound like you're 'dreaming'

B1663r4464d ago

Incorrect. Tesselation will reduce the memory foot prints of models, because you no longer need different levels of detail in the models. Also, as previously stated, you can get rid of texture maps, normal maps, and light maps, which are all stored in different levels of detail. Surface characteristics become stored in "materials" which will be several orders of power smaller than the traditional series of detail maps that current techniques use. Also, none of this precludes the use of decals, which would be applied to the color of the vertex structure.

That means the graphics data for a game will actually be smaller and take of less space, allowing for much more detail. Also, in researching this, I found that there are a number of techniqes that have been recently developed that allow conversion from traditional polymeshs to patch based modeling systems.

So another way of thinking of tesselation is as a means of data compression.

Dark_king4464d ago (Edited 4464d ago )

Its never been locked away and has been used in several games already.Reach used it for water if I remember correctly.The 360 gpu can do tessalation but its nowhere near current gpu tessalation.Its missing a couple pipelines that allow it to run really smooth.O and PS3 can use tessalation to its just not hardware.

Otheros004464d ago

Hardware tessellation is not usable on the 360. The devs have been only using software tessellation. Halo reach water is using software tessellation.

B1663r4464d ago

Dark_King,

Incorrect. The xbox xenon processor has dynamic tesselation technology. The 250 million tesselated surfaces it can do per second is enough to teselate a polygon for every pixel on the screen at 60fps, at 1080p resolution. If you would take to time to look into how tesselation is done, you would see that this capability is more than adequate for a game engine to be designed that works entirely on tesselation...

Like that GDC demo we saw the other day.

Dark_king4464d ago

Your right I was wrong its not the pipelines its missing its a couple of stages the domain shader and hull shader. http://developer.amd.com/gp...

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awiseman4464d ago

Hes probably referring to the new game engine that they are working on...It does look good. But moly tends to toot his horn alot..Look at Fable 3...it was lackluster compared to the other 2...