Killzone 3 Played With Move and Without Crosshairs - This Guy Absolutely Rocks

A dude played Killzone 3 with PlayStation Move and without active crosshairs. And yes, he rocks the Multiplayer mode. Check it out.

[SixZeroFour]

so you have to twitch all the way to the left or right to turn left or right?

[StoneyYoshi]

no. it depends on what you set your deadzone to.

[Downtown boogey]

The representation of dead zone in the menu is BS. I still have to point almost all the way to the edges of the screen for my character to start turning when I have the Dead Zones set to 0%. It nearly seems like adjusting it does nothing!

[krisq]

I think that jetpack section in single player demo is the only place where it actually works :)

[Viper7]

@Downtown boogey

check iWaggles demostration of how the move controls work in Killzone3. It shows pretty well that the menu representation is pretty good, but there's this special system that helps aiming after turning.

http://www.iwaggle3d.com/20...

[Downtown boogey]

lol @ the disagrees

Bet you guys haven't even played it!

Thanks Viper! Didn't know there was one of these made on KZ3 already

[Trizard]

@Downtown,
I know right, every time I say I have issues with the controls, I get disagrees. These people obviously must not be playing with move. The DS3 is so much better for any shooter imo. While the move is fun, it just doesn't feel right.
The video above is just a clip of some guys kills with the move no crosshairs. Notice how it shows no deaths and the guys aims like a blind 4 year old. He got one (at 0:21) by shooting a guy in the legs from behind. Im really, thats not an amazing kill and this guy does not absolutely rock because I bet if this game had custom matches, I would skunk him using the DS3. While the move may be fun, it is no where near competitive ready by playing against people who use DS3.
Its similar in nature to those who use mouse and keyboard to controllers. Those using a mouse will always (I repeat always because this is an inarguable fact and if you do, you obviously have no clue what you are talking about) beat those with controllers in any shooter. Its just based on the reaction time and fluidity of control.

[MaxXAttaxX]

And the first comments on this article just happened to be hate. Surprise.

[HappyGaming]

Sorry this doesn't rock at all...

It is a montage most of the kills are of people who are not even facing him.

The times that the people are facing him they are usually snipers and really close to him leaving them defenceless.

His aiming looked sloppy in some kills were he had to walk left and right to adjust the aim.

KZ3 is too good to ruin with move imo.

Edit: He could easily crop out the dozens of times he was brutally killed in a montage.

Show us pure gameplay than we can judge him.

[TheLastGuardian]

He's doing pretty good at using the move. I have a Move and the navigation controller. I played the beta for 34 hours and most of the time I was using the DS3 because it felt more comfortable and I was better at the game with the Dualshock.

The meleeing is definitely harder with the Move and the camera doesn't seem to go exactly where I want it but that will take time to get used to. I did alright in Guerilla Warfare with Move but I feel like I need to use it more so I can get better at it. I going to get practice with the Move in botmode until Killzone 3 comes out.

[SixZeroFour]

@dontbhatin
thanks for explaining that to me

@nathanexplosion
"Wow
And the first comments on this article just happened to be hate. Surprise."

where in my post was the hate? all i see is an honest question from someone who doesnt have the game or move

[dc1]

His highest point total was around 1400. The video looks like he strung several point blank kills together: Several deaths in between.

However playing without crosshairs is hardcore. without question,.. the only way to survive is to stay in and out of zoom. Crosshairs are a must for 'across the map' targets

[Denethor_II]

I think it's more realistic to shoot from the hip like this. No way if you were faced with a kill or be killed sitch that you would look down your sites to execute the kill. You would just blast off like and adolescent school boy having a wank.

[Blaine]

Disagree. Ever played paintball? I admit, it's pretty damn far off from a real "kill or be killed" situation, but it's closer than a game! At least you actually get to aim and shoot a physical gun--even though it shoots paint capsules. Anyways, my point is: doesn't really matter how close you are, you always want to be looking down the barrel of your gun when shooting. Even in CQC.

It may be different for a trained professional with a real gun who has experience wielding it, but I wouldn't bet on that. Even in movies (again not the best example, but it's all I've got since I've never been a soldier or law enforcer!) they're always looking down at least iron-sights. And my paintball experience would support their need to do so!

Or you can blast off, hit nothing, and get killed.

[duplissi]

uh no. there is a technique called reflexive fire, where you raise the weapon to your face and place the front sight post on your target and without looking through the rear aperture fire.. it isnt very accurate but it is fast and more advantageous to use in close quarters than either iron sights or hip fire...

how do i know this you may ask? well it just may be my army training....

[Blaine]

Well, I admit I have no idea what the hell "rear aperture fire" means, but I'm pretty sure you said the exact same thing I did. ie: "raise the weapon to your face" (your words) and "looking down the barrel of your gun" (my words) rather than hip-fire.

[duplissi]

well i was replying to den_uk..

i guess i could have put that sentence together a bit better.. my bad.

"fire without looking through the rear aperture" is a little easier to understand. the rear aperture is the hole that you look through to see the sight post.

[Blaine]

Oh, alright. At the time I had only 1 disagree, so I assumed it was you. That's why I replied that.

I have 3 disagrees now, not sure why. I guess people who disagree with my comment think that in a real life situation it's best to hip-fire...

[gypsygib]

Move controls work amazing for me after I tweaked them to my preference. I can turn faster and aim far more accurately than with DS3; I pretty much owned every match after I got accustomed to them.

I've never had a k/d ration so high before - normally I'm like 1.3-1.5 but with Move I was 2.96 and first place on my team 60% of the time and top three 95% of the time.

Move is truly the best way to control FPS games on consoles, people who don't think so aren't doing it right.

[HappyGaming]

Some people have been saying that but are you sure that... while you were "getting used to" the KZ3 controls you were not actually "getting used to" KZ3 it self?

In which case had you carried on playing with the DS3 you may have seen the same level of improvement in you K/D and your score per game.

[Pillage05]

to be fair though, they kind of dumbed down the shooting for move....no recoil....And can you use the lock on mode in multiplayer? I haven't tried it yet, but that would be kind of dumb.

[gypsygib]

@Gumtol:
I'm sure because I tried Move at first and SUCKED, then I tweaked and sucked a bit less but was still wasn't any good.

Then I went back to DS3 and thought about selling my Move, on DS3 I was doing a little worse than my BFBC2/COD k/d ratio (it was just over 1 most of the time), but way better than Move.

Then I went on some forum saying to decrease the 'boxes' to almost zero which I did, did some more tweaking and then OWNED. Even turning is better than DS3 - I feel like a surgeon with the Move now.

I found these perfect:

0 - Horizontal
20-30 Vertical (depending on turn speed)
0 (crosshairs)
50-60 turnspeed (depending on vertical size)
No auto aim
'Hold' Zoom

I can now turn faster than I was accustomed to on DS3 and my accuracy is leagues above anything I ever did before. I can do a 180 super fast and headshot a high then low target in seconds.

Move really is incredible, I thought it sucked but was curious so I bought the Sportchampions set on Craigslist for 60 bucks - best money I've spent in a long time.

@Pillage05: there's definitely recoil and even more, when you pull the trigger you also 'pull' the crosshairs - i pull left. And Lock-on mode sucks, it's way faster to just aim yourself but I hate a 'toggle' zoom.

[galgor]

Youtube link

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Stuart5756]

He's using the sharpshooter properly calibrated, thats' all.

[krisq]

I'm getting it.

[TABSF]

No thanks I'd rather play Killzone 3 with my Mouse and Keyboard peripheral, Just like I did in the Beta

[Studio-YaMi]

o_o can I just hook up a USB wireless mouse and keyboard and my PS3 would recognize them in the game ? or do I need some special device for it to work ?

Also,what the best mouse/keyboard for PS3 ? and for FPS games in particular ?

Thanks in advance for the answers

[Kleptic]

wait, you really can do that?

I still have a bluetooth logitech PS3 keyboard from best buy that was like $30, and would use a standard wireless logi laptop mouse (just plug the USB receiver in the PS3)...and played a lot of UT3 that way...

and it was AWESOME at the time. I didn't know killzone 3 supported this?

[TABSF]

Not sure if your being sarcastic but I'll answer you Studio and Kleptic.

Nope as far as I'm aware you can't plug any M&K in.
I'm using XFPS for PS3
http://www.gadgettastic.com...

Could not tell you what is the best Mouse and Keyboard, its personal preference.

Finally I don't think Killzone 3 officially support this, I just don't like FPS games with pads and especially motion consoles.

[HappyGaming]

Very few games "very very few" support USB/Bluetooth M&K on PS3.

The one I know of is Unreal Tournament III.

[HOSe]

seems dumb imo. he didnt aim down the sites once or have to.... makes me wonder if their is an advantage over people using a ds3

[dalibor]

Was wondering the same thing. Played the beta and only had a couple of games where I blew up (had a lot of kills, low deaths). It would be informative if it showed what the players were using either a DS3 or Move next to there name.

[StoneyYoshi]

players using move and players using ds3 will never play against eacother. they have a matchmaking setup for only move players and only ds3 players. it is set like this to keep it fair.

[BeaArthur]

Where did you hear that? I'm pretty sure Move and DS3 players have been in the same lobbies during the open beta.

[BARF]

"players using move and players using ds3 will never play against eacother."

WRONG!!! did you even play the beta??? you can play move vs ds3 all day long. i know because i used the move in the beta.

[StoneyYoshi]

yes i deffinitely have played the beta. and i have move. if you read up on the developers interviews. they even say that thhey are separated for balancing purposes.

[InTheLab]

@ Dontbhatin

Start a match using a Dualshock first, then switch to Move. Same match. Same lobby.

[NukaCola]

Final game will have seperate matchmaking setups for DS3, Move, and then Both if you choose. But I played it with the Move and wouldn't want to use a DS3 against the Move. It's just as good as a mouse/keyboard. The only thing that is a little sketchy is melee, but with Move you can murder everyone one in the game with just one clip because it's one of the most accurate setups of anything I have ever played.

My K/D for DS3 is usually 6 or 7 to 1 average.
My K/D for Move is always 10-12 to 1 with many of times 15 killstreaks. Only real deaths are cause I mess up doing melees.

[BeaArthur]

Agreed. I have been playing a ton of the beta and I have used that weapon and it doesn't fire like that for me.

[HOSe]

dontbhating the disagrees tell a different story!

[t0mmyb0y]

I do better with the Move lol smh

[gypsygib]

@ NukaCola

The melee was weird for me to at first but by the end of the trial I was totally used to it on Move

[saladthieves]

This is actually very good in my opinion. He is saving a lot of time doing this. Notice how he can spot someone and shoot them as long as they appear on the screen.

With the Dualshock controller, the crosshairs are always positioned in the center of the screen. In order to target someone, you have to move the camera as well. He's saving valuable time. Here's actually what would happen with the dualshock:

1) Spot an enemy who is visible say on the left side of the screen
2) Turn the camera/gun/crosshairs towards the left
3) Position it just right then shoot.

He's doing this with the move:

1) Spot an enemy who is visible say on the left side of the screen
2) Position the crosshair right on the enemy without the need of moving the camera, just the crosshairs alone, then shoot.

This does require practice however and also the Move needs to be very well calibrated.

[Wh15ky]

I'm really enjoying using the Move for Killzone 3, it's more fun than the DS3, however, I'm not sure if I'm doing any better with it, in fact I'd say my stats are much the same as they were for Killzone 2.

Not understanding what your saying about the benefit of not having to move the camera with the Move. It's not as if you have to move the camera with the DS3 then position your crosshairs independantly, they both move at the same time.

I'd like to see a fixed crosshair option with the Move, surely it can't be that hard to implement and if it doesn't work very well, then fair enough, I'd just like the option so I can try it for myself.

[saladthieves]

A fixed crosshairs with the move would make the move actually turn into a huge dualshock stick. You would have a lot more room to turn around though.

[Wh15ky]

Yeah, that's what I mean - pointing with the Move replaces the right analogue stick.
It may turn out to be far too sensitive and it may not work, I'd just like to try it for myself.

[Arksine]

Can't allow that, atleast not as long as DS3 players are mixed with move players. It wouldn't be fair to analog players, because Move players could turn so much faster.

In Move only matches developers could probably make it work, but there would need to be a control scheme which allows the user to reposition the Move without moving the pointer...similar to picking up a mouse. Holding in the move button could accomplish this, but then you would need another button to crouch. Sensitivity can be adjusted so it shouldn't be an issue, but players would need to use an armrest or something to keep the Move stable.

Edit:
@dog beliefs
Good info, didn't know that. It seems strange though. Guess the focus testers never played a shooter on the PC.

[doG_beLIEfs]

"I'd like to see a fixed crosshair option with the Move, surely it can't be that hard to implement and if it doesn't work very well, then fair enough, I'd just like the option so I can try it for myself."

GG tried that, and they found out quickly that it created too much motion sickness in focus groups.

[Wh15ky]

I don't think that's the reason they haven't done it. GG said a while back that if either of the control schemes offered a significant advantage over the other then they would separate them for multiplayer. So I don't think they would intentionally gimp the Move controls to keep them all together.

I would think the reason it's not there as an option is because it would be too difficult to control.

Edit:
@ Dogsbelief.
I'd still like it there as an option though to try it out for myself.

[floetry101]

Ugh, I'm not sure I'd ever get used to playing with a motion controller. It's like an Arcade/Time Crisis situation where you move the crosshairs around a stilted screen. Too impractical for my money.

[fooltheman]

you didn't try it then?

[BabyTownFrolics]

i prefer the ds3

when i tried it with move it was all blind firing and jerkiness when I turned, i just didnt feel like I had as much control over the character as I do with the DS3. and yes I have messed with options, and I have settled on some settings that feel the best to me.

with a ds3 I feel more accurate, with move I just move the cursor in that general direction and I get kills while blind firing. I have auto aim off but it still feels like I'm being assisted when I'm using move.

[krisq]

Learning curve is steep, but after an hour it became a lot of fun. Now I play on Move only.

[dc1]

Try it one more time with the following move config (Thanks to Chaostar):
Deadzone Vert 0%
Deadzone Hor 0%
Crosshair 10-30% (Your preference)
Turn 10-40% (your preference)
--
I actually prefer the move controls over the DS3 (there is nothing wrong with the DS3)
Give it a shot and let me know -

[BabyTownFrolics]

thanks for the tips, i really would like to use move for fps games

my psn id:

rowsdower1979

[dc1]

Test the settings out in BOT mode to make sure good with the feel.
Shoot me ping when you are out there. I'll try to jump on with my bluetooth.

Goodluck!!

[Olvipoika]

hmmm. some interview gg games told they gonna separate move and dc3 players... mayby this happens in retail version?

[sleewok]

I'm about 5 hours into playing the beta. At first I was very frustrated with the Move controller and was contemplating selling it.

NOW that has changed. I'm starting to feel very comfortable with it. It feels intuitive. I can turn quickly when needed, and my aim is starting to get quick. Still there are times when I feel like I lose control, but that isn't nearly as often now. The jabbing for melee is stupid and there should be a button for it (you can twist or press a button for reload, why can't we just replace the reload button with melee?)

GG has a history of listening to gamers, I wouldn't be surprised if they tweak the move controls even further after release.

[Arksine]

I agree completely with all of this. I had a similar experience. I don't mind twisting to reload, but I despise thrusting forward to melee. I play with high sensitivity so moving the controller like that throws my camera out of wack.

Users should have the choice to map square to either reload or melee. Circle would be an option too, but if you try to melee near an ammo crate it might be an issue since it would double as the use button.

[UP]

I freaking love using the move for for Killzone 3. In the public beta on night I was number one in team deathmatch with the highest K/D ratio for like 5 matches in a row.

[JonnyBigBoss]

I've been playing the beta with Move most of the time. It's really impressive. It feels so much more invigorating to shoot someone with it than a standard controller.

[Graey]

Isn't there a gun add on out for this as well. I want to try it that way and see how things work out. If anyone has that let me know. I'd like some feedback on it.

[Crowd]

Looks like it plays the same as Wii FPS games.

[maxcer]

damn, looks like Move players have the advantage over DS3 players. been seeing this conclusion ever since the beta hit PSN. maybe if the spent less time on 3D/Move support we could have had a better overall game. now you gotta get a $80 controller to be competitive.

[clrlite]

I hear the handgun attachments work very well, expecially if you have wrist problems. I would try them both before I invested in a sharpshooter peripheral.

15+ PS Move killstreak without a crazy ammount of practice...
http://n4g.com/news/699819/...

[HOSe]

meh. no move for me - im still buying this game day 1.

now if someone wants to give me there move, navigation controller, extra move controllers for coop, ps eye, thatd be greatly appreciated also.

[Dogs_PinoyPOOD]

im impressed.. its pretty hard to play online with move n with no reticle

[Sarobi]

I Can use the dualshock 3 on any game there is to play, but once i start up killzone 3 beta.. i always use the move, i have no idea why but its just that much more fun using it, plus i've adapted to it so well to a point where i actually play better with it compared to the DS3.

[DanSolo]

Killzone 3 with Move is definately good!

I have got used to playing with Move now and I think it is better to play with than the DS3 once you have spent time adjusting.

But the truth is I don't think I'd even try to play it without the reticle for one simple reason... the calibration just isn't solid enough. You can calibrate it perfectly but although Move works well in most ways, when it comes to efficient lightgun use it isn't good enough. But as long as you have the reticle, and if you don't mind taking the few seconds it takes to re-calibrate once in a while.... then Move is definately just a better way to play Killzone!

[sickbird]

After playing a few hours with the move im just as good if not better than i am with the DS3. The move gives you the advantage in accuracy and the DS3 allows for more precise movements. But to be honest my movements are starting to be just as good using the move.

[espiritu604]

Psmove is fun to use. its not bad at all, it helps alot and is more funner. I pwn good with it.

My tip is to play it and adjust to ur liking and only aim from middle to far range, aiming an enemy to a close range is def. a no no. I like psmove cuz if ur aiming from middle range you have to keep your hands still which makes it realistic. They totally had an advantage with the melee that they could have done some motion gestures but they didnt which sucks, other than that move def. goes with kz3.

[hiredhelp]

I gota edmit i tryed kz3 with move. and nav. i couldnt get on with it at all. but dual shock i loved it. i messed with deadzone but end day didnt feel right. doesnt mean to say it doesnt work well. just takes time practice.
like R.U.S.E cant play it with Move,
however i can play resident evil 5 with move and the sports champions games. its just what you favour no need to hate or diss the game by this.

what devs really need to do is do what i and us computer games geeks out there do ;-). self map key to your prefernce not set layouts. if that could be done be great.

[PirosThe4th]

If the move had an analog you could turn and look around easier while aiming... Sony wasn't smart enough there...

[Firstkn1ghT]

LOL! That was supposed to be a video of a guy that absolutely rocks? Oh man. I'm guessing the author of this video probably has a k/d ratio of 0.000001

[UberGuber]

Lol Move is such a goofy gimmick i mean is this really how it is going to control on an fps, better off just adding mouse support that would allow a much better experience.

[LiquifiedArt]

I just want to mention that locking the camera to the move wont work.

Thinnk about a mouse and keyboard. How many times do you pick up and put down a mouse to recenter it? you cant do that with a move. Turning needs to be similar to the way it is or some alternative method of holding the "Turn button or reset center button"