Killzone 3 Demo Making The Latest Reviews Seem Unreliable

From complaints that the cut-scenes go black causing too much delay between the action, the dialogue being considered flat and boring with no real need to listen, to being called a ‘miserable experience’, and not offering anything new to the genre which I must add is a complete double-standard, this demo begs to differ in a big way.

[MariaHelFutura]

I knew alot of reviews are unreliable waaaay before KZ3 came along. I stopped paying attention to reviews years ago.

[Dante112]

Same here. Reviews are not like they use to be two gens ago (the majority of reviews were serious, well written and reviewers actually completely FINISHED playing games before they review them in those time. Most honestly let you know if a game was good or back no matter what system it was on).

[Greek God]

well said

[bluwulf]

Gamers back in the day were all on the same page.

Generally speaking, a good game is a good game. SO even though you might not like an RPG, you could at least see that for people that like RPG's its a good game. Same for fighting/shooting etc.

Those were the guys that did reviews & had early access to the games, so you could at least read them and know what to expect. Most times, games only scored low for being buggy & bad gameplay.

Now reviewers are all children looking to make a point & gain hits to their site. They know reviewing against the grain is going to be more controversial, and drive more traffic. Comparing X game to Y game with a question mark at the end is about the depth of everything now at days. As if you don't need any game if one old game was good enough.

Very few whose actual opinions matter, as I think gamers now can tell which games are good & which are bad since we have so much coverage, more than we've ever had. Demos/Videos are more than still images in GamePro could ever do.

Theres no reason to think that anyone from anywhere knows more about the 'art' of reviewing a game when 1/2 the information is factually incorrect, and its filled with spelling errors. Than any of us.

[BiggCMan]

I remember the last nail in the coffin for me taking IGN seriously was when they scored Kingdom Hearts 2 a 7 something. Bunch of idiots that don't know a good game when they see one. That was an amazing game.

[CameronL99]

The problem is these sites have found out that they can make way more money fishing for hits in advertising by being internet trolls who bash every game that they personally dislike, or just wasn't "for them" (if the game isn't for you you shouldn't be reviewing it as you aren't the target audience for the game and won't be able to give an opinion that is representative of the target audience, you shouldn't see FPS fans reviewing real time strategy games)

What you have to realize is that Money trumps everything when it comes to news. Every news organization on television has come to this realization, thus you have sensationalist infotainment dominating the airwaves rather than objective pieces. The internet is exactly the same, you can make more money fishing for hits than you can trying to be an objective and honest journalist. Don't forget, there is no journalistic credential necessary to write a videogame site, you just have to be someone who plays games with an opinion, there's no official credential necessary, so stop treating these gaming sites as if they were journalistic sites, because they are NOT journalists, they're glorified bloggers.

[Army_of_Darkness]

critics are judging this game way to harshly! It's Killzone 3 with improvements from the previous game! How can this be getting lower scores?! I don't get it?! improved control, move support,better weapons, gameplay and graphics!( judging from my beta experience)
Its like the media always criticizes ps3 exclusives on a completely different level its ridiculous! if KZ3 was multiplat and it plays and looks exactly how it does now, I'd bet it would be getting nothing but 9's & 10's...

[pangitkqb]

I agree with this article. The demo was better than I anticipated...by far.

[ChineseDemocracy]

I thought the demo was really entertaining, obviously it's not a full representation of the game, but if I had to give it a score just based on that I'd give it at LEAST a 9!

ending cutscene is sooo badass btw.

[Boody-Bandit]

I gave up on reviews ages ago.
I always judge for myself.
Played the Killzone 3 demo today and it's incredible. I can't wait till 2/22.

[bageara]

Some reviewers made it sound like KZ3 was another run of the mill shooter but going of the private beta, open beta and SP demo KZ3 is most definately NOT a run of the mill shooter...far from it! this game is Special!

[disturbing_flame]

When i see how much they raised the bar with this episode it's sad to see afterwards that the game have been sacked yes.

I thought with first reviews that the game could be less enjoyale than KZ2 ut in fact it is totally wrong.
Kz3 in just one demo is clearly above what i've seen before.

Man it was dynamic, so much packed with action, this game loves gamers.

Now that i know that finally the games coming this year on PS3 are better than their first episodes. I wonder what happened to professionalism of journalists...

Littlebigplanet 2 is a hundred percent better than the first episode = lower score on metacritics than the first episode

Kz3 is by far a huge kick in the face, the visuals of the solo demo are unparalleled on console for a FPS = lower score on metacritics than the first episode

If this story is repeated with Motorstorm, Infamous, Uncharted, SOCOM etc finally it would be clear that thos improvements frightened the reviewers.
Why ?

I don't know.
maybe these games are not on the right console for them.

[Pixelated_Army]

For those that haven't seen it yet, check it

Killzone 3 demo sample
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Full 30min HD video 1.8 gig
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/388...

[Pixelated_Army]

Here's the asshole who labeled KZ3 a miserable experience. What a dick!

http://www.joystiq.com/2011...

"but no amount of 3D waggle can change the fact that the Killzone 3 campaign is a miserable experience.

Killzone 3 certainly offers more bells and whistles than its predecessor -- it's just a shame they've been affixed to an inferior game."

[BattleAxe]

The one review that just came out which was a complete joke was the Game Pro review where they gave KZ3 a 7/10, and they guy states in the review that he didn't bother to play the multi-player. It just goes to show that complete idiots come out of the woodwork anytime a AAA PS3 exclusive gets released.

[bluwulf]

Battle Axe, so true.

They always give the Halo game to the halo fan of the crew who reviews it... Who goes ahead and glosses over problems because "Well if you're a fan of the first one, like me, YOU'LL LOVE THE NEW GAME!!! 10/10" Same with Call Of Duty "No Games perfect, and the story is a bit silly but you'll LOVE THE MULTIPLAYER!!!! 10/10" They even give forza to a guy that isn't a sim racer "Well I hated GT5, but I love Forza.. Painting is so much better than driving anyway 10/10!!!"

Then the PS3 game shows up, the microscopes come out, the film critics come down to comment on the drama & character development. John Williams flys out to discuss the sound quality, its ran through multiple gauntlets to see any Screentears/low resolution textures. The games launch history is then included in the review, as well as questions on whether or not you should buy a PS3 for this game.. Then its compared to games its clearly not trying to be. Then its innovation is questioned. Since all PS3 games have to innovate of course..

Its called amazing, and a great game though sometimes but, 7/10 because of that 4d comment ken made.

You hardly find reviewers excited over PS3 games. They just "meh" and get through them to flop them when they are done. If they give good scores, its generally because they would look almost TOO biased.

[HolyOrangeCows]

IGN complained unprecedentedly about the story (for an FPS).

Joystiq started with a bunch of fanboy rhetoric.

Edge: "but it all still depends heavily on the brutal impact of the shooting at its core"

Games: "it fundamentally plays more like a formulaic Call Of Duty clone"

BULLcrap reviews. This absolutely ridiculous display screams either politics (trying hard to make the systems seem even to continue receiving support from everybody....like politicians) or flamebait. Either way, that sound you hear is gaming media validity and integrity going down the crapper.

[deafwing]

everyone, sadly, is entitled to their opinion on anything, at anytime

whether you choose to take heed from these people is up to you

the reviews have a place in gaming but it's not the only element that we should look to when putting our 60 beans towards a game

[BABY-JEDI]

Too many sites, magazines having fan based & financial alliances with said Corp. All I want is simply an impartial review from some one who knows said gaming genre. That really isn't asking too much now is it. Going by KZ3 beta so far the game is worth more than a 7 in my view (especially in comparison to some higher rated games).

[Jaces]

I usually reference reviews to give me a general idea of what the game has to offer but in the end they are never deciding factors to whether I buy the game or not.

[Killzone3___]

@disturbing_flame
little big planet 2 didn't have wow factor , but halo did ... reviews and xbox360 fanboys always makes me lauph because of what they say XD ...

but sometimes they make me mad :
here is an example : ign saying gt5 is a simulater game but not racing game .... this is the most stupid thing i ever saw , they compared it to forza 3 and they even gave the Presentation 7/10 , they are saying '' it have A cumbersome front-end and minimal, overlong loading screens hinder it, as do a series of other strange design choices.''
what the hell they are talking about !!!!! and when you compare the loadings in forza and gt5 , gt5 is much faster !!!! the ai is alot better !!!! and a video proved that !! just check in youtube , the engine sound is much better.... i can continue but no need for that ... in the end they gave it the same rate of gt5 Prologue ( which is a demo ) ....

it just didn't have wow factor , that's what reviews and fanboys says for little big planet 2 - killzone 3 etc. and the same thing will happen with inFAMOUS 2 - Resistance 3 - Uncharted 3 etc.

[SilverSlug]

Why is everyone acting like the game got bad scores? I saw 7's and 8's which are Good and Great.

I think what changed is idiotic gamers expecting everything to get 9's and 10's.

[AAACE5]

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing, but i'd like to point out that as gamers, we only play a certain few games that we like! As reviewers, they usually have to play tons of games, including the crappy ones. So it is understandable for them to be a bit jaded towards some games.

I only played the multiplayer demo of Killzone 3, and while they did boost the graphical abilities, the game is just still pretty boring to me! They didn't change the control setup either. Clicking the stick in to aim was popular for Rainbow Six and Halo, while pulling a trigger to aim has proved to be more effective in games nowadays.

Gears of War 1 and 2 had boring multiplayer levels, but what saved it was the gameplay. Killzone 2 and possibly 3 have boring levels but the gameplay isn't unique enough to save it! It's the same combat as in other games, except it just looks better.

But just like Killzone 2, most will love it! However, I have to wonder how many will pass on it.

I was actually considering picking up Killzone 3, but the demo did as much damage as the demo for Crysis 2 did, which put me off and marked the game as a $20 purchase!

Don't hate me, but that's just how I feel!

[kharma45]

I think this image adequately sums up this whole furor over KZ3 reviews

http://i.min.us/icoJtk.png

Bit sad really.

[the_kutaragi_baka]

troll reviewers ( aka ign) fishing for hits. Don't feed them...

[miyamoto]

we are currently enjoying the MP Open Beta & the SP Demo from Hong Kong ^__^

[UnwanteDreamz]

Yep, you really have to see them as personal opinions. I read alot of reviews and ask myself often what qualifies these people as reviewers? I seldom have an answer to that question. I hold more stock in word of mouth impressions that come from other gamers who share my tastes.

[kneon]

In many cases their only qualification is an internet connection and grade school level writing abilities, often they aren't even that good.

[DigitalRaptor]

I downloaded the Killzone 3 demo from the Hong Kong store and within the two minutes of gameplay, I was asking myself "Are these reviewers for real?"

The game is amazing. The brutal melee system adds so much to the gameplay. I could tell immediately the improvements such as graphics, animations, movement, weather effects, variety in gameplay, story. It's a wonderful experience - I didn't wanna stop playing at the end of the demo.

[TheFreak]

Well spoken MariaHelFutura.

Forget about the reviews just play the demo and beta it's hardcore to the bone. The sound the visuals and the gameplay AMAZING!

[mintaro]

So a review of the full game is now invalid because of a demo?

Hmmmmm

[Lawliet]

A full review?

You mean like those that gave it 7/10? "I haven't play online and I just started playing the campaign, but I need hits cause my site is drought."

[TheFreak]

Your own experience with the game is always better than an review

[jetlian]

seems that way. And yet they felt not fully playing GT5 to level 40 shouldn't be a review yet playing a short demo is more than enough for KZ3.

[visualb]

no but a demo is about as reliable as one.

another persons opinion of a whole game

or

your own opinion of a small part of the game

both quite scant basis', but equal in reliability

[Kleptic]

@thefreak...

Not always...GTAIV being the opposite extreme...

[Wh15ky]

I would always trust my own opinion of a game based on playing its demo than a "professional" reviewers opinion of the full game, that's assuming they actually played the full game.

[mintaro]

I think you guys are missing the point, you've only played a small part of the game.

Imagine if you only played the bank level from GTA 4, you would think that it's the best game ever no?

[solsub]

^^

No, I'd still think GTA4 is utter shite -- bank scene or not.

[tobysims]

All PS3 games are perfect if they score poorly it is because everybody is out to get the PS3 :p

[Moebius69]

Don't be silly no game is perfect however Killzone3 doesn't deserve the nitpicking it's getting

[Thatguy-310]

"These reviews might be going beyond the point of an opinion. They can appear to become over-exaggerated banter with no respect for the herculean development efforts put forth by Guerrilla Games." that's what really pisses me off !! GG did a lot of improvements to appeal to new comers by making the controls more tighter,fluid movement etc. Just by playing the beta I can say KZ3 is a far better game than KZ2 so by no means should it be getting lower scores. The low scores is simply just a slap to the face to GG and is some what disrespectful. I'm just curious to see how reviewers will treat other upcoming ps3 exclusives. I mean LBP2 some was kinda suffering from the similar thing; recieving 8's for no good reason !!! Journalism is pathetic now and just play dirty for bigger hits or attention !!

[smoothdude]

Please don't confuse blogging and journalism. About 98% of gaming sites are in reality just blogs.

[KotC]

The reviewers didn't play the demo or the beta, they played the "full game" so stop crying about the reviews. How long is this bitching going to continue?

[IcarusOne]

F O R E V E R

[jessupj]

For as long as the double standard against PS3 exclusives continue.

I've played more than 10 hours of the beta. It's just a single map but just from that it deserves at least a 9. The idiots issuing these 7's obviously don't like quality games... that or they don't have no idea what the f*ck they're talking about.

[BARF]

so you are able to tell how the whole game is just by a 20 minute demo??? yet, reviewers that played the full game havent played enough???? which way do you want it?? hypocrites.

it funny that kz3 can get 8.5's (perfectly good score) and you kids whine about it and say the site is trolling for hits. you kids are pathetic. for a bunch of people that dont care about reviews, you sure do a lot of whining about reviews.

[Thatguy-310]

8.5 is a good score your right but with all the improvements they did from the past installment there is no reasonable reason that it shouldn't match the scores from KZ2. And yea the review is just an opinion but most of the reviewers were to harsh on the game and like I said before it's just a slap to the face to GG and shows lack of respect since they don't seem to appreciate the changes they made for example some reviews just focused mainly on the CAMPAIGN !!!! And hardly gave credit to the improved multiplayer...

[BobbyMcCOOL]

If you want the truth read destructioD's review if you want the truth.

http://www.destructoid.com/...

It's the only shooter that brings something new to the table. If you have a PS3 play the demo and you will see the difference.

If they repeated the demo for 8 straight hours it would still be better than any shooter out.

That's why everyone's up set it's. a truly good game and the industry tiring to prevent the masses from enjoying. unlike Halo Reach which gets a pass everytime it release, though its been the same game for the last 6 years. gamers are the ones who get hurt when these things happen, developers will just pay for good reviews instead of making good games.

it's really about Guerrilla's work, we should respect the time, effort, and quality they put into the game.
it.

Not the fact that they put a new name on an old game and spent 10 million to advertise it ."Bungie & Microsoft"

[BARF]

destructiod??? i though ps3 fans hated that site? oh yeah they gave an exclusive a perfect score, so now they are legit. nothing but hypocrisy. do you ps3 fanboys even know if your coming or going??? you guys are all over the place and its very laughable.

no reason to bring up reach. reach was a great game as well. it changed a lot from previous halos, but im sure you havent played halo reach.

"It's the only shooter that brings something new to the table. If you have a PS3 play the demo and you will see the difference. "

what does it do new??? other than the move, nothing new is done in kz3. i have played the demo and i do have a ps3 with move (check my profile). i am a kz fan, but i see nothing wrong with an 8.5 review. i guess thats cause im not a rabid fanboy blinded by outrageous sony bias.

[solar]

this just in!!!! gamer doesnt agree with review score!!! real gaming news at 11!!!

[IcarusOne]

This is just so funny.

[BobbyMcCOOL]

The best review I've seen is right here. This game is truly exceptional.
http://www.destructoid.com/...

[seedaripper1973]

If you guys want honest, well written reviews, then i suggest Thesixthaxis.com...it's the only place i trust (and nofi's killzone3 review is bang on)

[tacosRcool]

A double standard is right. Everybody should definitely know after such nitpicking about GT5. Review games on what they have and not on what they don't have

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

GT5 was a disappointment, I visit the forums on GTplanet nearly every day, they even have an entire thread dedicated to people who didn't like the game.

Stop being bias and open your eyes. KZ3 is more of the same with slightly better graphics (it looked better on YT than it did on my HDTV)

[RBLAZE1988]

The killzone 3 single player demo was better than mw2's or black ops entire campaign, so SUCK IT gaming media!!!! Can't wait. The acting and directing is really awesome!

I still think that killzone 3 should only get like an 8.5-9 cause they added coop campaign but didn't do online campaign coop which just hurts my brain to think why they didn't add online coop...:/

[Apone]

Where's the reset button?

[baodeus]

so a demo give more accurate review of the game then playing the full game?

[MNicholas]

Seriously, folks, we know that all the COD, Halo, and Gears sequels received 10s because they were mind-blowingly innovative, had unbelievably compelling and non-derivative storylines, provided unmatched voice acting, unbelievable real-time effects (nothing baked or scripted whatsoever), and gameplay that never ever repeated itself.

[DigitalAnalog]

But here's an explanation for you. Sure 30 minutes of demo may not be the full representative of the full game.

BUT, what you fail to realize, is that the reviewers complaints don't add up to what the demo is portraying.

Let's say for example reviewers complaining that Halo has poor animations, the demo is then released to the public where reactions are met with opposition. Does it mean that the animations would suck in the full version, NO!! That's not what this excerpt is about, point is, reviewers are complaining about things in the review that contradicts what the demo is revealing.

Not to make a generalization but from what I've seen, it seems the XDF have the following symptoms:

- Stating XX is a great score.
- Stating that reviews MUST GIVE their own "opinion".
- Being selective when pulling out excerpts.
- Baseless assumptions.

So tell me, why should the opinion AFFECT the score? The reviewer is entitled to his own opinion that's true, but it should be an illustrative point of view that must be taken "tongue-in-cheek". If a reviewer hates the RPG genre then the entire RPG games that meets his/her doorstep is f*cked even before the review starts. Is that the kind of reviewer (s) you want in this industry, just so that you can troll your eternal hatred for the PS3?

-End of Line

[baodeus]

so what do they complain mostly about, the story (that actually seem to interfere w/ the momentum of the game....well that seems to be the general common complaint so far from reviewers) right?,

So how does a demo to tell u anything about the story and how it doesn't interfere w/ gameplay as a whole (which was mentioned in the article and nothing about reviewer being biased against gamplay)? Doesn't all demo also say, this is not a true presentation of the final product right?

If you read reviews, they didn't say anything bad about the gameplay (most say that it is great, or i haven't heard complaint about the gameplay. They actually like it)

2nd, KZ2 did receive good score all around and so it was pretty high up in metacritic so far. So why it is ok w/ the game get high score, but it is bias when it got lower score? You guys complain about bias review, but you guys also suffer from the same problem, see?

The article is well, retarded because he didn't give any support, or evidences to back up his claim. It is like an opinionated complaint of bias review toward KZ2 based on his play through of the demo vs. people that played the full game? WTF? Really?

[DigitalAnalog]

I haven't read all the KZ3 reviews, but if I were to go to the amount of complains in this comment thread, I would have to assume some of the reviews have asinine complaints aside from the story.

"2nd, KZ2 did receive good score all around and so it was pretty high up in metacritic so far. So why it is ok w/ the game get high score, but it is bias when it got lower score? You guys complain about bias review, but you guys also suffer from the same problem, see?"

The reverse is also opposite is it not? When a PS3 exclusive gets a high score, you guys complain that there is bias. If the review gets a lower score, you guys throw in the "conpiracy theory" card. Where exactly is the middle ground here? It's just a never-ending fisticuffs who gets hurt more.

"The article is well, retarded because he didn't give any support, or evidences to back up his claim."

Like I said, I haven't read all of the reviews nor the demo to make a comparison. I'll have to play for the demo myself. Let's take Vanquish for instance, almost every review claims that the game is 4 - 6 hours, however, when I played the game, it was nearly TWICE as long. So, can you really justify the reviews if they were called out of their bullsh*t?

-End of Line

[baodeus]

@digital analog

1. Who are u guys? Be specific.

2. I do agree that the reverse is true, and well that what a fanboy is all about. But for the record though, I seriously haven't seen a person say something about the reviewers being bias against x360 or wii, like on N4G Really?

3. Sony camp are where i have heard over and over about reviewers are bias and grading ps3 on a different ground no?

4. Didn't many pro Sony on n4g also used metacritic to support the fact that ps3 has the most AAA games on metacritic (which is true and i totally agree because it actually has data to back it up), but turn around and say reviewer are bias when some games do get lower score?

Is looks like hypocrisy to me.

Where are the standard and sticking to the principle ideal?

If you want to argue and have some sort of credibility, then you have to stick to your principle. If you are wrong then admit it. Simple right?

[DigitalAnalog]

1. It's a general statement, since we're at a forum with possibilities of dual-fanboyism behind their user-names, I meant everyone related to said subject.

2. I won't go and look for archives of N4G regarding 360 comments. But to say as such is just plain ignorant. Let's face it, in N4G you can guarantee that there is going to be more reviews in PS3 exclusives then there would be for 360 ones. Therefore it is easy to pull off score-bitching from that section a lot easier.

3. And 360 keep constantly spewing "7.5 is a gooddddd score, 8.0 is a greatthhh score", then all of a sudden when the scores goes over 9, the response with be "duh, it's teh bias, teh biass, high score from a PSSSS MAGZZ, high score from a PS webzzzz". See, how this works? And you want to justify these actions?

4. First off, AAA can only be applied to the BUDGET of game and not the scores. Only G-MLD made up such a ridiculous rule. But facts are facts, there are more HIGH scoring 360 games than PS3 ones (according to MC), anyone who says otherwise are just spewing garbage and is no way needed to be taken seriously.

-End of Line

[baodeus]

@digital analog

I misinterpret what u said earlier about the reverse is true. I do agree that on n4g, Ps3 game is the most talk about either good or bad, w/ constant bickering back and forth between the fanboys. I don't justify bashing ps3 games when it get good score from like PS magazine or such either. If you do look up on some of my previous posts, i did say that the reviewers probably like the game and gave it good score, not because it is affiliated w/ Sony.

For opinion shouldn't be included in reviews, i find it hard not to, because the entire idea is to give your input on what you like and what you don't like about the game. Like/interest/intake = opinion, therefore, it is practically impossible to remove it from review). The only way to not get these stupid complaints is by not giving a score to the game. It seems like many just focus on the score w/out ever reading the reviews, which defeat the purpose of it. Given, quality may vary :).

Review only serve as a guide for purchase. However, it doesn't mean every dam reviews should cater to ones' taste (it is impossible because people are different). Therefore, it is important that each reader find something that would align w/ his/her interests from these reviews to help him/her decide w/ the purchase. Review only presenting different intake/opinions on the games and thats all to it.

Although i still believe this TPC doesn't think thing through before he wrote it. I would think he is bias instead of the reviewers (argue against experienced peep using minimal experiences of a demo is just well retarded).

Good discussion man and take care.

[RedRedSuitSDF]

Duh... everyone knows that reviews only matter when PS3 games are getting incredible scores of 9.0 or better. Everyone knows that.

Review scores are part of what help determine Game of the Year games...

[plb]

Gran Turismo also proved many reviewers wrong cough IGN

[clrlite]

It also proved many reviewers don't even play the whole game and are full of %#@!

...yeah, it was pretty epic.

Some of them are doing their best to cover up their mistakes and continue to do so.

[BeAGamer]

@ the end of a day, a review is only one single opinion

buying Killzone 3 regardless!

[remanutd55]

they need to make other games shine lmao , anyways Killzone 3 with the playstation move is very entertaining , demo is great imo

[eliasg]

when they gave LBP2 9s and 10s were reliable, what happened now????

[AnonUser5555]

That's a point I try to make all the time. It's so damn annoying dealing with the people here sometimes, as evidenced by the 10 "Disagrees" you received for a perfectly valid point.

Websites are all biased...until they give your favorite game a good score. Then everyone loves them again and says they deserve to be trusted. It's horseshit.

[SnakeMustDie]

I never saw them as reliable even when they give those 9-10 scores. I only wanted to see great games got the recognition they deserve.

How would it feel if they gave the next Halo game with new innovative mechanics a 7 and the next rehashed CoD game with the same f*king gameplay a 10. How about if it got nitpicked because it has too much variety.

I read reviews by the pros and cons that are present in the game. The reason why many people complain because such minor flaws can take out points a lot yet rehashed games having the same flaws gets a free pass.

Reviewers should just get rid of the score based review system altogether because it does nothing but fuels the damn fanboy wars.

[IcarusOne]

The only things that matter are your opinion, the awards, and sales. In that order. Those are what dictate how a game goes down in history. Does anyone really give a shit nowadays about what the critics thought of Citizen Kane?

(hint: they hated it.)

[Biggest]

Here is that stupid Pachter defense again. Just because they got one right doesn't mean you disagree because they are who they are. They also don't get a pat on the back when they're wrong because they were right before. Some people scored LBP2 properly while others opted for the "CLICK ON ME!!!" approach. The same thing happened with GT5 and it seems as if the same thing is happening here. Some of the cons don't match the previous norms. I didn't see any lowered scores for the story in MW2 or Halo or Gears of War. I have NEVER seen lowered scores for a FPS because it relies on shooting too much (I'm still trying to wrap my brain around that one). I've seen games that were almost unplayable (Fallout 3/NV) get extremely high scores as if the ability to play the game sometimes is gift in itself. I've seen games like Modern Warfare 2 and Black Ops receive higher scores based on their multiplayer alone, even though it didn't work most of the time. Here we have a game with superior stability, superior online connectivity, and the best graphics, sound, 3D, motion control, and some of the best gameplay around. . . Yet the story is soooooo bad that it's worse than the games that have none of that? That only makes sense in Opposite World.

[Kon]

You hit the nail on the head.

[remanutd55]

nop i dont, i keep my word with a good review/ bad review , press has been very but i mean very harsh on sony exclusives this generation , LBP is one of the exceptions because is unique, no other game can match LBP but shooters , racers and others have been nitpick for some very incoherent reasons , i remember a review about Ratchet and Clank saying that they deducted points because the game has too much happening , too much variety , with that said i think i could do a better job reviewing a game , anyways this generation is more about hits / convenience than the actual games , sadly the gaming media is really holding the industry imo but i dont listen to them anymore , heck 1 of them had the nerves to say that Warhawk was a 5 point game , my god , things people do when they get offered some greens , i dont care about reviews , as a matter of fact i think i care more about my psn friends suggestions than those incompetents.

[KotC]

"press has been very but i mean very harsh on sony exclusives this generation"

Like they were with UC2 (GOTY) LBP (9's and 10s) GOW3 (9's and 10s) Killzone 2 (9's and 10s)???

What a bunch of babies. Why is it Nintendo fanboys and Xbox fanboys never whine about reviews but PS3 fanboys do? Xbox fanboys are "supposed" to be the youngest yet it's the PS3 fanbase that acts like children.

[thief]

Thats because LBP is off the scale. Its an 11. Its
Not kidding and no hyperbole, LBP really is that good in so many ways, there is nothing else even close in imagination and quality.

[IcarusOne]

"It's an 11 out of 10! No hyperbole!" <-- thanks for the greatest lol moment of my day

[DanSolo]

Well all I know is that I have been playing the Killzone 3 beta and I have been enjoying it alot... it just feels alot better than Killzone 2 and everyone on my friendslist who has been playing it seem to think the same thing.

[SnakeMustDie]

I'm starting to lose respect to most of these so called "professional" gaming journalists.

Just bought GT5 and it was one of the best Racing games I've played and most of the Standard cars looked as good or nearly on par from the cars on Forza 3 I even wondered if they even properly reviewed it. The only flaw I have encountered are those aliased ugly shadows. If PD can fix it, It would be a welcome addition.

I was having second thoughts to buy GT5 because of the low review scores and It nearly robbed me away from a great experience.

KZ3 won't be a first day buy because I still have college studies to do so I need to focus on it. I will see if it really deserves the score of 7-8 once I play it.

One thing is for sure though, PS3 and PC exclusives(Starcraft 2, Witcher) got nitpicked as hell this generation.

[BrokenGamez]

u should never let a review deter you. play the damn game for yourself and judge

[Unbornkirkster19]

A man chooses a slave obeys.

[TLG1991]

the truth comes out when they release date arrives and if you stupid enough not to buy something because of a review then you need to get your head together and learn to try things and have your own opinion!

[ActionBastard]

I think we've learned this generation that Sony exclusives require more scrutiny than other platforms. Because Sony killed Jesus and was behind 9/11. They also kidnapped Elizabeth Smart.

[palaeomerus]

And if Sony's exclusives don't get 90%+ then it's because the whole game reviewing industry is stupid/biased/corrupted by M$!

Oh wait...

[thief]

Wrong - if KZ3 scores lower than a garbage game such as Halo ODST, THEN it's because the whole game reviewing industry is stupid/biased/corrupted by M$!

[jimbone79]

See thief that's were your logic fails. ODST, while I do think it should have stayed DLC, was not garbage. It was a good game with tight game play and a very solid multi-player aspect. It is just plain fun, and when you bring it up and say it''s trash you are just giving your opinion just like the reviewers you're cussing. So you think that your allowed to have an extreme opinion like that, but they can't have their own opinion of KZ? I doesn't make any sense. If your going to display such a bias attitude then don't cry when someone else has their own attitude about something you like, because when you do you come off as a huge hypocrite.

[kurochi]

As if I'm really going to let the "reviews" tell me to buy this game or not. Thank you, but I can think for myself.

[redsquad]

I can only ever speak from my own perspective and give my own opinion (obviously), and from that view point I agree totally with what this write-up says.

I swear that as soon as the KZ3 demo started I was into it, involved, hooked and excited. It's stunning visually, so much fun to play and the action doesn't let up - The cut scene transitions were smooth, well directed and (golly gosh what a surprise) well voiced.
Once the thrill had died down I couldn't help but wonder what version of KZ3 those reviewers were playing...

[redsquad]

I presume that disagreer has downloaded and played the demo for themselves...

[Dart89]

*Once the thrill had died down I couldn't help but wonder what version of KZ3 those reviewers were playing....*

They must of thought they were playing cod xDDDD.

[AnonUser5555]

lol @ dart. what an inferiority complex.

so like i said, KZ haters "need to go die" but CoD haters (like yourself) should be able to rip the game whenever they want. Even in a post about KZ3. Because you're that unsure of yourself.

[rockleex]

He didn't hate on COD in that statement.

He was pointing out how reviewers always compare Killzone to COD as if they're both trying to achieve the same types of gameplay.

[ApexHell]

i have actually picked up many titles that reviewers knocked hard and they were solid games, mind you they were probably thinking about 60$ dish out for the games but i cant complain when most of them are under 15$ now.

i havent tried the killzone singleplayer demo out yet but the muiltplayer beta was alright had some issues but that is expected during a beta.

[palaeomerus]

86 metacritic average is "knocked hard" ? Huh?

[RIP_Weazel]

"86 metacritic average is "knocked hard" ? Huh?"

uh....in comparison with other 'similar' titles? Yes, it is.

[ApexHell]

im not just talking about killzone here im talking abroad in reviews for all sorts of games.

[AnonUser5555]

I'm not saying the reviewers are ALL right here. But if GG has troublesome scenes full of glitches, etc., they wouldn't put them into the demo. Time will tell.

[NateCole]

Holy mother of God. I have lost all respect for any reviewer that reviews this game below 9.

Its a crime. GG is robbed blind. I would say its better than U2 for me personally sofar.

This is my last post for today. I am playing the Demo again and again and again.

[TheTruth89]

haters are always around the corners, specially if you consider a Microsoft payment.

what a pathethic move!

the truth hurt.... microsoft, accept that.

[AnonUser5555]

Gotta love the same old tired excuses. Yes, "TheTruth," everyone who hates on anything Sony must be getting paid off by MS! That's it! Sony can do no wrong!
___

And this is coming from a ps3 owner who doesn't have a 360.

[CaliGamer]

You are all over this post.... you seem disturbed by the news that KZ3 is a good game.

BTW... COD does suck man, deal with it.

[xX-PEIN-Xx]

I like how you say you have a PS3 and you don't have a 360 to make your trolling seem subtle. LMAO your not fooling anyone.

[Kon]

Every bad comment about Killzone was offered to you by: Microsoft

[HappyGoLucky75]

why is anyone who says something anti sony on n4g instantly a troll or a liar? maybe he's just not brainwashed.

[HungPHATx]

I'm my own reviewer and I go by hands on , not some paid off sites like IGN or Bob's 360 blog site !

[hamsterfist]

Anyone see Xplay? I might get flamed for this, but I actually do respect Xplay. Usually they seem dead on, or at least some what honest in their opinion. Know what they gave KZ3? 4 out of 5......

[airforcex]

Huh, so a demo is a better indicator than the full game? Just buy the game and stop this silly debate. It appears the game is great; just not the best. Who cares?

[Funky Town_TX]

I purchased a PS3 a week ago just to play Killzone 3. I have not had a Sony console since the first playstation. The KZ3 beta is sweet so I can't wait to play the SP demo. Reviews are someones opinion so don't get bent out-of-shape over reviews. I can't wait for the 22nd.

PSN ID: TexasToast30

I only have 2 friends ATM, and I will need some for KZ3.

[Daz]

People still crying over this:P get a life.

[chasegarcia]

Two of my favorite games of all time(socom 1 & 2) got a bad score from ign.com. I just Imagine if I would have listen to them......

[Silly gameAr]

This is why people shouldn't place so much faith in reviews. It's good to get some honest info about a game (hard to find now in days), but as far as opinions go, I'll go with my gut every time.

[Xilef]

When Gaming sites like IGN are owned by FOX and Gametrailers.com by MTV. Of course they are bias, it's because they have to.
Let's say (in GTs case)they would give Rock Band a 6, of course MTV wouldn't allow that. They have to keep there owners happy.

[Aither]

Or how about the CBS owned Gamespot? Or did you forget that one?

[Xilef]

Thanx I totally forgot about that one.
Bubbles for reminding me how no big gameing site is independent

[Blaze_Zero]

Anyone that only buys games based off of reviews is an idiot anyway.

That said I played the KZ3 beta and it was not for me.

[Ninver]

Excuse me for saying this BUT! Most of the American reviewers are the scum of the gaming industry. They think they possess so much power that they can score games AAA games lower and no one will question them.

How do i know Killzone3 is a AAA game you ask? well i've played the 20min single player demo and i can assure you the game is all that hardcore gamers wish for. It's absolutely incredible and not to mention the open beta.

I've said it before and i'll say it again. American reviewers are scared to death of PS3 exclusives. What so all of a sudden their not handing out 10/10 any more (not that it maters). Games like LBP2 and KZ3 which far exceed their predecessors but end up with lowers rating? WTF!?

If that's the case how come Dead Space2 and other multiplats score higher than their predecessors? This "industry" we so hold dearly is full of console extremists and retards with laptops in their parents basements.

Play KZ3 yourselves and be your own judge. I just can't wait till site like IGN and others go bankrupt. That would be a step closer making a difference in the industry.

[xX-PEIN-Xx]

wise words

[Re-versed]

There is NOT such a thing like reputable sites!!Their reviews are OPINIONS and noone should decide what to buy or not based on someone elses opinion...Reviews should report us the objective quality of a game...Everything else should be a straight judge by your own hands and eyes...I consider the GTA4 and a boring failure sequel to San Andeas,but it has a 98 on metacritics...The examples are many,not only this one...We are not numbers that should be driven to someone elses taste or intentional fanboyism!!We are people with cultures,ideologies,preference s...This review conclusions with numbers has to stop!It gave hits to websites because it makes the games comparable in an idotic fanboy fest!If you expect to get a single number out of your exprience of a game,you are a tool...Games is art. You cant rate with 0.453534565,the enjoyment of an experiences like this!This American capitalistic way of rate every single piece of entertainment out of a single number is discusting!There are games that you like and others you dont.Plain simple.No need to come to this frenzy! Uncharted 1 is one of my favourite games and still it has 88 on metacritic...So what... My siter loves LBP but hates kz for example...So what!Do you agree with everything that comes out of metacritics and their numbers?No chance in hell!I m not a sheep!I have preferences based on my character...You too...Are you gonna rate me for my preferences too???I should expect this in the future!Human forgets his emotions,of pure enjoyment of something you truly like cause it isnt a trend right now!This is genuily daft!If you buy your games based on critics you are a tool nothing more nothing less...Kz fans already know what kz3 is!No need to read an article written by an ign(that spells VEKTA, VETKA!) editor,to tell me about the story,and the 7,123443435678 number he gave to this part...If you do it,think what you do for a minute!

[Killzone3___]

reviews are always wrong now ..... i don't care about them , i feel like reviewers don't care about games now , they just want the money , they don't complete the games and they say stupid things ... i bought mass effict 2 just because of the score of the review and i hated it , i really hated it because the game is crap and got more then 9/10 !!!! i can continue , alots of bad reviews ...

[DoomeDx]

you not liking Mass Effect 2, has nothing to do with the reviewers.

The community loves it, and so do the reviewers.
its just you boy.

[chidocballer]

Wait.

"The community loves it, and so do the reviewers. "

So when a huge community and the reviewers love Call of Duty,it gets trashed and people say things like "Hitler appealed to the masses too." But for Mass Effect 2, it's proof that his opinion is wrong?

[starchild]

He can say that he personally doesn't like it, but he can't say the game is crap. One is a subjective statement, the other is a statement of fact.

Just because he didn't like it doesn't mean the game is crap. Most people, professional reviewers and gamers alike, love Mass Effect 2.

[Killzone3___]

maybe people liked it but it doesn't deserve more then 8 because nothing special in the game , it's really boring ! ... but when a game like killzone 3 or gt5 they just start trolling and bashing the game ....

[SMW]

Watching the gameplay video of the demo was more entertaining than actually playing Black ops.

And I'll say it....

"I LIKE the new Rico"

[Sheikah]

I, for one, like him better as well. I HATED the guy in kz2.. I had high hopes of being able to space the guy in kz3 - but with his scruffy hair and baggy outfit.. He's like a loveable hobo, not an obnoxious parody anymore. :D

[MyNameIsNotRick]

It's not that kz is not a great game. Don't confuse the bashing of the hipocracy with the bashing the game. Just because you some of you kz/ps3 fanatics are getting called on your bs conspirocy theories doesn't mean that the game isn't good.

We all know that when a 360 exclusive get's less than steller reviews (fable 3 and allen wake) you guys will quote the negatives for years to come. Splinter cell (a game I loved) was ripped for having a short campaign but kz3 gets excuse after excuse.

Many of you constantly participate in a little circle jerk and can't see outside your little ps3 exclusive orgy.

[Moebius69]

I do see your point however having played both the demos in my opinion it should not be getting less than 8.As for fable3 that deserved it's less than stellar scores it wasn't as good as the first two.Can't say anything about Alanwake haven't played it yet.

[HappyGoLucky75]

"Many of you constantly participate in a little circle jerk and can't see outside your little ps3 exclusive orgy. "

lol so true. they all make themselves feel better by hitting agree on each other's posts.

[Ri0tSquad]

I remember people defending Alan Wake and Splinter Cell C. And don't get my started on Dead Space 2 or COD: some people genuinely believe reviews are unreliable, not just PS3 fanboys, buddy.

[SQWERCH]

I have to agree with this guy, he is the first journalist to say it like it is and I am now going to look for his reviews from now on.

[blackburn5]

I don't mind KZ3 getting lower scores as long ss games that are just like it get the same treatment. Many popular shooters are linear, flat and boring where the MP shines brigher then the SP but somehow they get high scores all around while somehow KZ3 story is under scrutiny and somehow the score is lowered because of it. Many shooters do the same thing every year with only minor tweaks to game play or graphics and they also get perfect scores, glitches and all while any low scores are tossed aside and ignored.

So why is KZ3 held in a different light? Why does its story suddenly matter? Why do their characters matter? Why is its inability to do something new put into question? Does every PS3 game have to push the envelope or be innovative to get excellent scores? If 360 and Wii games were judged the way PS3 games are they would be getting 7s and 6s.

[ivant]

I don't care what the reviewers say. KZ3 is an improvement on KZ2 which was a very good game.

I'm getting KZ3 for the online play and that has definitely improved....but the match making still sucks in the open beta. I want freedom to choose a game...not be but in a game with only a couple of players or in a useless team currently losing a match, because the idiot Tacticians aren't getting the middle spawn point or any at all. SUXs.

Also, in the beta, every player should be able to capture a spawn point not just the tactician. Warhawk has spawning perfected.

[ironcreed]

After only a couple of hours of playing the demo, the first thought that popped into my head was, "these reviewers are full of shit... again" How can you heap praise on a game with such a horrible story, lame ass characters, short campaign and no multiplayer like Vanquish, yet bash a polished to hell and back full package like KZ3 because of it's story only?

Let's see, the visuals are about as good as you can ask for on a console, the effects are killer, the sound is about as good as it gets, it plays like butter, it is fun as hell to play and runs like silk. What gives here?

Because all the core elements that make a great game are there, yet because the story is apparently not up to snuff, it deserves to be marked down in spite of all the aforementioned attributes where it clearly excels? Tell me then, what makes a good story in a shooter? Halo, Gears of War with it's lame oversized characters and cliche' story, COD? Give me a fucking break.

No shooter has an Oscar worthy story, yet they get the free pass if they play well and are fun... or if they have a popular brand name. Yet, KZ3 excels in all the areas that are most important and gets the shaft because of the story only. Go figure.

To tell you the truth, I would not be surprised in the least if the campaign actually ends up kicking ass. The way some of these reviews have come off, I am actually kind of expecting this to be the case. Looking forward to seeing for myself. I already know the multiplayer is fucking super great, so it's all good either way.

[P_Bomb]

This demo was surprising. Very surprising. Why? It was good.

Damn good.

Puts the KZ2 demo to shame to be quite honest. Everything clicks. From the dialogue, editing, cuts, loads and fades to the gameplay, weapons, pace, spawns, graphics and sound.

I'm not one to call other people's opinions, even educated opinions, as being full of $*%#...but I'm SORELY tempted to this time. If the rest of the campaign is like this...well. Do I have a choice?

Journalists need to leave the pretentious family dramas to the BioShocks of the world (which I love btw) and not always want to squeeze something round into a square peg. It's farsical. It's like they want an open-world game that's also linear, puzzles that are challenging but also don't require you to think, combat that is simple except when it's complex, co-op except the kind that involves playing with a friend, a deep story but not cutscenes, a lot of action but also long stretches of nothing happening, deep multiplayer but not the kind that requires you to play it (classy GamePro). That about right, lol? :p

[Shadowolf]

BRAVO!

[Goeres]

No shit, the demo is INCREDIBLE. The transaction between gameplay and cutscenes is amazing. Reviwers today....

[ilovemyps3]

the truth is :

- most of big websites are american
- most of big websites will give a 10 to Halo, even if they only played 10 minutes.
- most of big websites hate ps3 and love xbox, every multiplatform game will score better on xbox, even if it's a 0.001 point, so "their" version is the best to play on
- most of these big american websites will pull trigger and bang bang every ps3 game, even if it's a masterpieace. And triple bang bang bang if its a exclusive masterpiece: no ps3 game should score better than a xbox game.point.
- Gt5: a true masterpiece, with it's flaws, but still a masterpiece: all those big websites played a couple of hours, with a couple of cars and tracks, and bang bang bang, once again, saying, for exemple, there is no damage, where there is damage, but after level 20. those guys played 2 or 3 hours, and "let's kill Gt5 with low scores, so Forza remains the best"

- every product that isn't "usa made", isn't good. if Killzone 3 was a xbox exclusive, all those websites would be giving 10's to it. all the small problems would be forgiven, and the game would get a 10/10. Since it's a Sony exclusive, Killzone 3 shouldn't get better scores than halo. So let's give it a 7/10, let's invent some stuff, stupid stuff, so we can grab 2 or 3 points.

-Some of these big websites, they even dare saying they can't test the 3D, because there is no 3D capable tv to play the game. WTF ?? Tomorrow, there's a halo game that will support 3D, all these guys will run and buy a 3D ready TV, and they will give 12/10 to its graphics, because of 3d. In Killzone3, and other ps3 games, developpers STRIVE to give us the game with 3D, and those reviewers don't give a fuck about it, poor guys, they don't have a 3D ready TV. ohhh i'm gonna cry, poooooor little guys. c'mon...!

- Yeah, the ps3 is out for 4 years, and still so much hate. THAT HATE, from you, you and you, you big gaming websites, that PREFER xbox to PS3, and will always make the best games on ps3 look like they are a big shit. Thank you guys, journalists, whatsoever.

- for all these websites, since you want ps3 to fail, simply stop reviewing ps3 games, and review only xbox games, i don't care if all of them get 10 out of 10, everytime. but please stop KILLING ps3 and ps3 games. stop reviewing them. we don't need your "written in 5 minutes" ps3 reviews, where graphics get a 6/10 because of a bad texture, where the sound get a 7/10 because of the game offers 7.1 sound, and you play in stereo, where gameplay get a 7/10 because the guy can run, jump and shot, all that exists in other games, therefore, there is no innovation, where the game lasts only 8 hours, where you don't like the fonts used on multiplayer for showing people names, and so on.....

DON'T REVIEW PS3 GAMES, WE DON'T NEED YOUR "WRITTEN IN 10 MINUTES, WHILE PLAYING HALO ONLINE" REVIEWS.

[ForzaGT]

well said, bubbles to you

some just can't accept the truth

[DundahMifflin]

Speak it, brother! Well said.

[BARF]

you are pathetic. you people live in a dream world. are are you all on drugs??? this is the most outrageous amount of cry babies i have ever seen. 8.5 IS NOT KILLING A GAME!!!!! grow up.

[LiViNgLeGaCY]

Yeah, the demo was incredibly fun. I can tell it's going to be an amazing single player campaign. Can't wait! :)

[BCRxRaiden]

Thank you! Finally someone wrote about the odd reviews coming out about KZ3. I've played the beta and watched the demo, played K2 and K1. I was stunned to say the least when i read reviews by IGN, 1UP, and other large, popular gaming sites. I honestly felt like they had an agenda to give this game a bad score, and never really mentioned PS Move, 3D or the multiplayer. Like in all honest i haven't played the full game yet, but when I'm done playing it and i get the feeling that this a great game, I'm going to be raising hell about reviewers and declare "the game is rigged" meaning these so called independent reviewers are biased and are paid for a certain point of view, obviously this isn't the first time this would be the case, but i gotta tell you this is a blockbuster game, i want a straight forward review and the only website that's well known that has so far provided such a review, is destructoid. You can actually tell that they played KZ3. I hope I'm wrong, cause i want to believe that these websites respect the power of a review score and desire to be honest, but maybe I'm being naive.

[vyralx]

If you're smart you won't pay attention to reviews at all.I knew Dead Space 2 was going to be good way before the first review came up.
To me reviews are totally obsolete as of 2011.They are like a blog of some guy from a random site...it doesn't matter how big the site is
Only metacritic can be trusted at some length

[HarryPS3]

Nothing stops me from buying Killzone III, just eighteen more days to go!

[jack_burt0n]

You play the demo, you buy the game its simple as that, its so good people who know nothing of games are like what the hell is this "virtual reality" lol

The game looks incredible and plays incredible, the game exceeds the hype.

[vandal GAB]

Got the demo and I still don't like killzone! Demo deleted £40 saved happy days

[bobrea]

I think it may be more of an issue of reviewers being sick of giving every big name FPS a 9 or 9.5. I think KZ3 will be the first, but certainly not last FPS this year to be held to a higher standard and have to work harder for a 9 score. I think it;s agood thign because it will only make the devs work harder, and it sure as hell wont stop me from buying this game.

[Achemki]

We'll see if some of these journo's still have review parity when Bulletstorm and Crysis 2 come out. Alien shooters # 823 and 824, Unreal Engine game #197, New York City environment #635. When chaining crotch shots IS the story.

We'll see.

[bobrea]

We can only hope...

[Dogs_PinoyPOOD]

reviewers = opinions. it doesnt matter. i DGAF bout reviews

[edwineverready]

That is what I was thinking when I was playing the demo. How can they score this 7/10?

[rob6021]

It seems more and more evident reviewers got very unhappy about not getting a proper 3 day muliplayer extravaganza at a pompish resort (like black ops). That's what you need to score in the 9-10 range this gen, at least that's they've been conditioned to believe. They got mad about Sony giving them very limited time with multiplayer before the 'embargo', and they reacted like little spoiled babies knocking the score down to 'teach Sony a lesson.'

It's sad that people actually thought reviewers had credibility in the first place, if you're from a major publication your life consists of attending marketing shtstorms one after another, because it's the only way to get the latest media kits from publishers. And this gen certain publishers have brought it to a new low and are forcing reviewers to go to 'review events' at luxurious resorts in order to get an early review - as a clear attempt to influence their review score. To think these reviewers are playing the game under the same circumstances as you and me is really not quite fair.

[solsub]

Forget reviewers, they've lost all credibility this gen. It's been proven time and time again.

The only thing that matters is your liking for the game. That is all.

[IHateYouFanboys]

the thing is, giving a big-name AAA title like Killzone 3 an 8/10 IS NOT just trolling for hits. you have to realise that to most people, fanboys excluded, an 8/10 is a great score and means the games very very good and that everyone should at least give it a play through.

its the fanboys that see an 8/10 and instantly enter rage mode that cause all the problems. 8/10 is a VERY GOOD score. just because YOU think a game (that you havent actually played the final version of since its not released yet btw) is a 10/10 doesnt mean everyone does. ive enjoyed games that websites/magazines gave 5/10, and likewise ive disliked games that they gave 10/10. its all down to personal preference.

and like in GT5s case, i have to point to Metacritic - when a games average out of like 100+ reviews is around the 80/100 mark, its safe to say that the sites that gave it 8/10 werent trolling for hits. unlike what the sony faithful think, the entire internet doesnt exist just to conspire against sony.

[airforcex]

You can't play a demo and state that reviewers got it wrong. That just proves how biased YOU are. "Hey, I just watched 5 minutes of a movie and I think critics are wrong!" If you don't hype games (the industry is guilty of this) then this doesn't happen. This is just like GT5 and Alan Wake. Again, great games but not perfect. KZ3 is (according to reviews) a great game but NOT the best FPS. Does it have to be the best to be fun? NO!

[waljaber]

airforcex, we are talking about a lot of games here including KZ3 but fanboys like u don't understand a great game even if it hit u in the ars.
P.S. GT5 is the best gaming race ever until now.

[Achemki]

The odds of the demo being the best 10-15 minutes of the game and the other 6+ hours around it taking a sudden turn for the worse in every conceivable way shape and form are very, very slim.

Unless the graphics suddenly tear and go sub-HD, the controls change, the charachters start talking about Jersey Shore and the online turns into an RTS...I think it's pretty safe to know what to expect now.

The controls are great. I'm addicted to brutal melee. I feel very comfortable disagreeing with GamePro on those points at this juncture. Hell, I even tried Move, 3D and the online demo which is more than they did. Gimme a staff job, lol!

[Der_Kommandant]

i just finished the demo

I'm busy looking for my jaw

[waljaber]

true and sad at the same time.

[BuckyBarnes]

This is why I read comments about the articles, and not the articles themselves. Genuine people like myself post proper opinions about their experience with the game, and don't conform to a formula rating.
Havn't played the single player demo yet (no ps+ for me, I'm cheap), but the multiplayer beta is great. Controls and movement WAY better than KZ2 and respawning even takes a bit less time. Even botzone ,when I cant go online due to errors, is fun. The one thing I would love: a version of Killcam. Sometimes knowing how you died makes you correct that mistake from being made again.

[Darkfiber]

Uh, it's a demo, dumbdicks. You played 20 minutes of the game and pretend to know more about it than people who played the whole game multiple times? Demos pick the best part of the game to show off, obviously the game is going to seem good from a very intentionally selected demo. Why don't you wait until the game comes out and play the whole thing before passing judgement on the game's entire story based on a tiny demo? Oh right, cause that makes way too much sense to Sony fanboys. There is no room for logic in these conversations, silly me, I forgot.

[Serinous]

....and people rave about COD...

[DundahMifflin]

Coming from someone who was never THAT interested in KZ3 - the reviews are totally unreliable. The demo and beta are loads better than anything I ever thought of the game.

[NeloAnjelo]

So far the demo alone is better than CODs' miserable campaign and poor story. A personal opinion of course.

But don't worry I guess releasing 4 CODs in 4 years with no real change or effort on the developer to fix the glitches and issues with the online makes COD a better reviewed and more successful franchise.

Killzone has always been about the overall experience, the way the world feels, and the story of the characters in it. Its far from perfect. Sev and other characters can be stronger, Rico is annoying, but hey at least the game works, and is tested before release. COD: BO is a beta for MW3.

[DelbertGrady]

Everyone is biased :(

Now let's hold hands and cry a little more because not everyone thinks something is godlike because it's PS3 exclusive.

[Kos-Mos]

First people are saying the demo is not the whole game, don`t judge by it. And look now. Can`t bloggers and gamers accept that killzone is a normal fps with great graphics? Nothing more.

[Hitman0769]

WOW This is so surreal right now, I knew IGN and co were bad but seriously? This is another level of exposed..... epic... I love 2011 already : )

[moodymofo]

the reviews dont matter only that it may sway someone who is on the fence from checkin it out and thats kinda sad but black ops on metacritic is only 88 for the ps3 and actually scored higher than the 360 version on metacritic which scored 87,im not tryin to start nothin buy pointing this out only that reviews cant be trusted

[SuperMassiveGav]

NEWS FLASH!

You CANNOT rely on reviewers to have exactly the same opinion as you.

Sorry if that's hard to take.

[mamotte]

Fanboys will buy the game even if all reviewers in the world gives it a 1/10 anyway... and will get busy b*tch*ng for it in the web instead of being playing it.

[CoryHG]

If you haven't figured out that $$$ fuels these reviews, you're blind. Sony doesn't fork out money to these reviewers so they tend to get solid scores, just not over the top scores. Third party companies like activision and rockstar pump out the money to get the great reviews on the popular sites. It's garbage.

[OllieBoy]

With CoD games getting 9's and 10's ever damn year, reviewers have lost so much credibility.

[Outlook]

Killzone 3 Beta is fantastic, really good graphic/sounds... Love the classes also!

[CoryHG]

Also it's strange these reviews came out this early. Honestly when does that ever happen? I don't think half these people played the game.

[Laeto256]

I can already predict that in the inFAMOUS 2 review there will be a line that will repeat what trolls have said with no real basis behind it something along the lines of "new VA sucks" YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST FOLKS LOOK FOR THAT LINE IN THE REVIEW!

[Krakn3Dfx]

I follow a lot of the people on Twitter that have reviewed KZ3 so far, and when they're NOT reviewing a PS3 exclusive, they spend a lot of time bagging on the PS3 in general. A lot of these guys are sitting in the engine room of the Xbox 360 Express, and that makes them 100% less able to give a PS3 exclusive a worthwhile review IMO.

The G4 review, as an example, was crap, and people called the writer on it on Twitter, and he just kind of blew it off.

Although, to be honest, pretty much everything I've read from that guy has been shit.

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

So now it's wrong for reviewers to give a score to a game they played in it's entirety? You Sony loyalists are the biggest hypocrites of the world.

I know that some times reviewers give bad scores to good games, but then again you guys can't complain about something you don't care about(reviews scores), or maybe you've all changed your minds now that it's your beloved PS3 exclusive getting reviewed.

What the Sony loyalist want reviewers to do, is to just look at the game for 10 seconds and then give it a 10/10.

That's pretty much what they want.

[Master of Unlocking]

atomike + 18h ago | Well said
the truth is :

- most of big websites are american
- most of big websites will give a 10 to Halo, even if they only played 10 minutes.
- most of big websites hate ps3 and love xbox, every multiplatform game will score better on xbox, even if it's a 0.001 point, so "their" version is the best to play on
- most of these big american websites will pull trigger and bang bang every ps3 game, even if it's a masterpieace. And triple bang bang bang if its a exclusive masterpiece: no ps3 game should score better than a xbox game.point.
- Gt5: a true masterpiece, with it's flaws, but still a masterpiece: all those big websites played a couple of hours, with a couple of cars and tracks, and bang bang bang, once again, saying, for exemple, there is no damage, where there is damage, but after level 20. those guys played 2 or 3 hours, and "let's kill Gt5 with low scores, so Forza remains the best"

- every product that isn't "usa made", isn't good. if Killzone 3 was a xbox exclusive, all those websites would be giving 10's to it. all the small problems would be forgiven, and the game would get a 10/10. Since it's a Sony exclusive, Killzone 3 shouldn't get better scores than halo. So let's give it a 7/10, let's invent some stuff, stupid stuff, so we can grab 2 or 3 points.

-Some of these big websites, they even dare saying they can't test the 3D, because there is no 3D capable tv to play the game. WTF ?? Tomorrow, there's a halo game that will support 3D, all these guys will run and buy a 3D ready TV, and they will give 12/10 to its graphics, because of 3d. In Killzone3, and other ps3 games, developpers STRIVE to give us the game with 3D, and those reviewers don't give a fuck about it, poor guys, they don't have a 3D ready TV. ohhh i'm gonna cry, poooooor little guys. c'mon...!

- Yeah, the ps3 is out for 4 years, and still so much hate. THAT HATE, from you, you and you, you big gaming websites, that PREFER xbox to PS3, and will always make the best games on ps3 look like they are a big shit. Thank you guys, journalists, whatsoever.

- for all these websites, since you want ps3 to fail, simply stop reviewing ps3 games, and review only xbox games, i don't care if all of them get 10 out of 10, everytime. but please stop KILLING ps3 and ps3 games. stop reviewing them. we don't need your "written in 5 minutes" ps3 reviews, where graphics get a 6/10 because of a bad texture, where the sound get a 7/10 because of the game offers 7.1 sound, and you play in stereo, where gameplay get a 7/10 because the guy can run, jump and shot, all that exists in other games, therefore, there is no innovation, where the game lasts only 8 hours, where you don't like the fonts used on multiplayer for showing people names, and so on.....

DON'T REVIEW PS3 GAMES, WE DON'T NEED YOUR "WRITTEN IN 10 MINUTES, WHILE PLAYING HALO ONLINE" REVIEWS.
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Bubbles. Couldn't have said it better myself.

If reviewers can't even do such a simple job in a honest-to-goodness, unbiased way, they need to be in another line of work. We don't need reviewers anyway, and they should NEVER lose sight of the fact that the only reason why they have a "job" (sort of) is because some people bust their a$$es to develop a million $-worth game during months so they can provide for their family at the end of the month, and risk not being able to just because some wretched little prat felt like giving a bad score to a game that's not on his gaming system of choice just to suit his own fanboy agenda.

[spektical]

My thoughts exactly. The only thing that can still be question is the lenghth of the game. Joystiqs gameplay analysis of there just being more bells and whistles, is just plain wrong. The WASP and jetpack give completely knew gameplay modes, and COOP is definetly not just another whistle. Gameplay is now even more motivated by the story. I loved this game, as it reminds me very much of D-DAY in Saving Private Ryan (the best war movie , imo).

At the same time, how in the world does another FPS game (MW2, BO) get higher scores than KZ3? MW2 and BO have the most broken narratives of all time. For example, the paida in MW2 revolves around the player being able to shoot anything, and the ludus being saving the world. However, the agency is compleletly out of balance, as a player everything is not attainable, because the game is a bug/glitch infested game.
A proper and more fundamental review of game is involved in its interactive storytelling.

[tenacious_b]

KZ3 is the best FPS I've ever played, it even beats MW2, and I didn't like KZ2 that much. And for the record, BLACK OPS SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKS.