Killzone 3 Most Realistic Snow Ever?

Killzone 3's snow effects look to be some of the most realistic ever, and may even be better than the snow in Naughty Dog's Uncharted 2.

[SnakeMustDie]

Maybe. I haven't seen a snow as good as what I saw on the beta. Maybe there are some on the PC.

[gaffyh]

Crysis on highest setting on PC would be the best on PC, but the article does refer to consoles in particular

[crxss]

Doesn't guerrilla know that snow is so last year? Sand is clearly the new snow ;) lol but who really cares it all looks good. I bet we'll see more fog/mist for 2012 or even better a freaking volcano!

[never_waste_a_bullet]

seriously how do you have disagrees?

[Bhai]

...Killzone snow is clearly even better than Crysis, haven't seen Crysis snow doing anything spectacular at all, also the footprints are not as detailed as KZ ones:
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

On a last note, best ice effects are still the Uncharted-2 ones. Crysis ice effects are once again less than spectacular. Please post Crysis snow and ice vids to prove the point ;)

[SnakeMustDie]

I'm kinda skeptical about the snow in Crysis. It indeed looks awesome but there are things on the KZ3 beta that looks better and vice versa.

[thor]

@Bhai

Good video. The techniques they are using seem to be quite simple but clever; overlaying a footprint texture that has some parallax depth from a shader. It's not above and beyond what, say, Uncharted 2 does, and Crysis may do it as well but I'm not sure.

The water effects don't look great though when the wave meets the shore - with waves that size you'd expect huge amounts of water to come splashing up with each wave as it travels across the shore. I can only see small splashes.

[SeanScythe]

@thor
Water looks awesome
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[the_best_player]

@Killzone 3 Most Realistic Snow Ever?

Yes

[thereapersson]

So I'm sure that GG probably got a little help from Naughty Dog, and vice versa when ND was developing Uncharted 2.

That's the magic of having such a versatile first and second-party studio lineup.

[Spydiggity]

i was in the beta (thanks to the india exploit), and while i certainly found the game to be extremely visually busy, i did not find the game to be visually impressive.

some people (especially fanboys) seem to get those 2 things mixed up a lot.

[the_best_player]

@Spydiggity
Then you must find 360 games look like shit then if you don't think KZ3 looks good LOL!

[otherZinc]

How about Killzone 3 making the most expansive go anywhere campaign co-op "Ever"?

[BrianB]

actually i've found Alan Wake and Dead Space to be more visually striking than Killzone 2 and 3 they just don't really wow me, ands thats just MY OPINION. KZ3 doesnt impresss me.

[heroprotagonist]

@BrianB

I agree. Alan Wake felt so much more like a living place. Killzone 2 felt kind of sterile and synthetic to me.

[Spydiggity]

unlike you, i don't criticize the quality of a game because i support the opposing system. i own both "next gen" consoles and don't find either particularly impressive (visually).

just cuz i said a game on the system you're clearly obsessed with doesn't impress me, doesn't mean i love the other system. you're just a pathetic fanboy...just like most of the members of this sad community. and because of that, you're incapable of understanding this very simple concept.

[meetajhu]

Killzone 3 Most Realistic Snow Ever?

Ans:- No. And its a post processing effect not rendered real time.

Crysis Most Realistic Snow Ever?

Ans:- Yes. And its rendered in-game as physics effects.

[finbars75]

He said console dont get your panties in a knot.I dont see how you can say its the best snow anyways when the game cant even run on any PC at full compacity?Other then that KZ3 has the best snow on ANY CONSOLE and crysis2 isnt looking all the great right now.Its like looking at one big shiny plastic looking world.Just horrible.keep it real GG.

[pixelsword]

meetajhu, I'm sure since you work at both Crytek and Guerrilla Games that you would know exactly what they're doing and how?

Besides, he's not talking about the snow falling, although it doesn't matter if the post processing looks just as good; he's talking about the snow on the ground.

[thereapersson]

Just ignore meetajhu. He's one of the many internet "armchair developers" that spout off technical jargon and concepts they learn via Beyond3D and Digital Foundry, then proceed to act as if they have been in the software development industry for years.

It would help the cause of people like that if they would provide evidence of their "higher learning" and experience, but alas they will never do so because in essence, they are really just full of shit.

[wissam]

@ below.In Russia fanboys detect you.

[Silly gameAr]

When people try to bring PC into a console topic, it's best just to let them talk like what they say matters.

[Spydiggity]

not sure why you have so many disagrees. this is absolutely true. most console games have to trick you into seeing nice visuals. the post processing in these AAA console titles is staggering.

and while the article does go on to say it's referring to console, it's still an unfair title designed to inspire this kind of arguing and to get hits. just like 98% of the articles that make it to the top of n4g every day. it's a joke.

@pixelsword: all you have to do is LOOK at the two games to see the difference between physical interaction and post processing, non-interactive effects. quit being an apologist (though i know that's impossible for you since you've actually msged me on ps3 just to carry on arguments in the past).

[Ratchet510]

u a fanboy

[heroprotagonist]

"It would help the cause of people like that if they would provide evidence of their "higher learning" and experience, but alas they will never do so because in essence, they are really just full of shit."

Kind of like you.

It's only ok for you to act like you know something, right DB?

[pixelsword]

@ spydiggity:

Uh, I don't remember ya or what was even said, sorry if it was that important to ya that you would remember but if I did it wasn't for me.

How did I even get your PSN unless you gave it to me, because everyone knows my PSN... so I don't really know how I would have messaged you at all.

[Spydiggity]

i'd guess it's cuz my PSN and 360 SN's are clearly labeled on my profile.

[pixelsword]

And so is mine; and you probably messaged me first since you jumped into a discussion and brought that up for who knows what reason because it seems to fit your "personality".

Anyways, since you obviously think you have a point when you have none, here's a clip of Crysis:
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

At what point will anyone go "well, Killzone had batter snow on the ground in terms of motion, movement, blood on the snow, details and leaving tracks in the snow, but MY GOD Crysis really had it dropping so real that it overrides every good point Killzone's snow had.

What did I say about PC fans and their tired argument?

http://n4g.com/news/666937/...

Ahem, thank you!

[Foliage]

After being behind the scenes of a video game developer for over 4 years, you start seeing things much differently than someone looking from the outside in.

Such as:

Crysis might have the better requirements, and has really no max in terms of computing standards when it was released, but you can't judge visuals on tech alone. You can have the best tech in the world, but a better developer with less tech can make something look much better. You don't judge visuals on tech, you judge it on visuals. In the end it is all a matter of preference.

Sure knowing what Crysis is doing behind the scenes seems staggering, but when you realize how poorly it was utilized in the game and how bland the game was as a whole, suddenly a game like Uncharted that didn't even utilize all the specs available to them, and yet created something better looking IMO. Is much more impressive.

The argument isn't which game had better specs, since obviously computers are constantly upgrading every other week with more of a maximum ceiling. The argument is what "looks" better. Physics does not make something better looking, I can animate something to mimic physics and create something much more better looking. Physics are unpredictable, look at death solutions only using ragdolls and you will fully understand what I am getting at. You cannot guarantee your final solution when using physics, you can when using scripting and canned animations. Uncharted and Killzone both utilize both, and the results are much better than the bland Crysis results IMO.

Crysis is a tech demo, and a developer like Naughty Dog could really create something incredible with the tools they had available to them, but you need more than tech to create something the standards of Uncharted 3. If you don't think the developer matters and it is all tech, than ask yourself why every Unreal game ever made has varied so greatly in quality based on who made the game.

It's the developer that matters, not the tech. Look at Team Ico.

[chidori666]

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[Gamer112]

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[pixelsword]

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[hesido]

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[Raendom]

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[awesomeperson]

Cccccccommmbbooooo breaker!

[GamerSciz]

^ This is why I love the internet and gaming sites. Free entertainment ftw.

[starcb26]

+ BUBBLES to everybody :D

[YoungKingDoran]

lol, starcb26 trying to weasel in on the good times

[pixelsword]

@ hesido,

D.E.C.T.E.D. or DEC-TED: Double Error Correcting, Triple Error Detecting

I didn't know that would go above your head as well as 30 other people's heads; it's a pun based upon not only the even number of replies up to his post, but my response to all of them being an odd number that could dected the error of the original post.

Welcome to the world of higher education!

[scott182]

Real life has the best snow I have ever seen... Stay away from the yellow stuff though :/

[strickers]

or brown.

[showtimefolks]

this is a day one i haven't bought a fps since killzone 2 and i was one of the few people who loved the controls it wasn't like COD/halo etc,,,,where it feel like you controlling a stick that's flying in the air.

anyone who has ever held a gun in their hand know it doesn't handle like COD guns lol

KZ3 for the win

[jneul]

why do ppl always bring up the pc, you do realise that you can upgrade a pc all you want, even then to be honest i prefer uncharted over crysis any day it's just far more polished

[SeanScythe]

@Thor
Water looks awesome watch here
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Angels3785]

Thats a tough one. Uncharted 2's snow looks AMAZING and I didn't get the chance to play killzone 3 (BETA) on my HDTV. But from the looks of it GG has really outdone themselves.

[FrankMcSpank]

I would say that the Beta and Uncharted 2 are tied. I believe the final build of KZ3 will take UC2. Of course UC3 has taken Water and Fire and Earth(Sand) to level I have never ever seen, even in Crysis. It's great how GG and ND compete. It really creates great games when internal devs share and compete.

Nothing like shooting a guy in KZ3, and the blood splatters all over the snow. Or running through a doorway and see snow drifts collecting in the corners. Only about 50 days left...

[blumatt]

I think we'll have to wait and see the full game of KZ3 to really judge whether it has trumped Uncharted 2 in that regard. Having said that, I do believe the snow effects in the KZ3 beta were pretty damn nice. The particle effects of the snow blowing around looked pretty nice and didn't take too much of a hit on the framerate.

[King_many_layers]

no tie about it...

Killzone 2's looks better, BUT it does dissapear from the surface much quicker than UC2's. Atleast it did so in the beta.

[-Alpha]

Who cares about snow? I want Jungle! Lush green foliage pwns a sea of white.

Blizzards in UC2 and K3 on the other hand are very nice

[Hazmat13]

YES when Crysis did it it was god like when i heard CRysis2 for PS3 360 i was like jungle FTW!!! until the i seen the trailer... I WANT CRYSIS 2 DEMO!!!!

[Mr Tretton]

Hey Alpha Male, that's not what the jungle is going to be like in KZ3. It's going to be dark and evil looking.

[DoomeDx]

^Yeah i know..to bad though :(

Ill just up the Saturation of my TV :D

[hesido]

I hope the foliage in the forest levels are interactive (that is, the leaves should move when you step on them etc etc.)

[beavis4play]

alpha - i don't necessarily agree - early on in UC2 (right around the train area) there was a gun battle in a blizzard. the wind whipping the snow to make a "moving cover" that obscured the line of sight and made an awesome experience. i'd love to see a level in KZ3 fighting helghast in a blizzard - it's a very unique situation.

[SPARDA_426]

So far from all the videos it looks solid. Killzone 3 does topple uncharted 2 for the snow

[Optical_Matrix]

Those bullet holes and blood on the snow is amazing.

[Burning_Finger]

I got Killzon3d and jizzed.

[ngecenk]

hardest part of snow is the deformable terrain caused by footstep or even explosion. in this case uc2 still get the best with the footstep. i havent see any with explosion. tbh the kz3 beta is not better on this, but the particles are indeed amazing.

[hamburger123]

Killzone 3 is the best combination of gameplay and graphics.

[the_best_player]

yep

[DoomeDx]

Dude your name kkzooi is stupid.
(Its dutch for: Cancer mass.)

Dont mess with cancer..seriously.
You really think its cool to have a name like that?

[awesomeperson]

Because I'm sure most of us search out to have a name to do with cancer, in a different language all the time.

Should I be running my name through every single dialect to see what it means?

[Focker420]

What does Focker mean in Dutch??

[DoomeDx]

^ I am dutch,
And hes dutch too.

[Motorola]

Its funny how Killzone 3 has better snow than Uncharted 2. And recently, from what I have seen, Uncharted 3 has better sand than Killzone 2 which had amazing sand storms. The only competition Uncharted and Killzone have are each other.

[beavis4play]

well said and bubbles for you!

edit: at InTheKnow (below) - you've got to be kidding? that snow is PITIFUL next to UC2 or KZ3.

[BLACKBOIJONES]

Change the topic to killzone 3, most realistic FPS on a console and best FPS graphics on a console.

[InTheKnow]

The console game with the best snow is interestingly the same game that outsold KZ and all the uncharted games by about 10 million...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

...of course certain fanboys who think their console is a supercomputer won't get it.

Look how people come out of the snow and the white out conditions. The incredible soundtrack is also untouchable...you'll need a headset to really appreciate the Hans zimmer score. Nothing close if you ask me.

[Focker420]

LMFAO!!! You are joking right?! No seriously you must be joking. Right??

[Rage_S90]

of course he joking don't be absurd he just pulling your leg or maybe his leg needs to pulled from his ass :S

[Masterchef2007]

Naughty Dog helped them with the snow which btw looks fantastic

[SpitFireAce85]

I love it when great devs work together to
make something amazing...GG&ND...FTW...

[Focker420]

Throw Sucker Punch (InFamous 2) and Santa Monica Studios (God of War 3) in there as well. They all share ideas.

[Masterchef2007]

How about this.

Santa Monica + Heavinly Sword = A game that Ninja Theory failed to make.

I mean they should santa monica is probably working on something for 2012 as we speak.

[ALFAxD_CENTAURO]

Yes, looks very good.

[BLACKBOIJONES]

My dream now is for naughty dog and gg to come together and make an ultimate super game.I can only imagine what it will look like, im sure it will look like 3d with out using 3d glasses but when u use 3d glasses it will look like real life lol :D

[maniactadpole]

Killzone 3 snow effects looks REALLY good especially when its mixed with the engines EXCELLENT lighting effects.I'm gonna stand next to the A/C while playing the snow level in Killzone 3 :)

[Focker420]

Are you gonna sit by the heater while playing Uncharted 3??

[Acquiescence]

...

[maniactadpole]

Btw thats the most realistic gun model i've EVER seen in a videogame...The ISA rifle looks just...WOW

[CryofSilence]

Impressive. Very impressive. :)

[Malebaria]

It looks even more realistic than U2's,and that's quite a feat on its own. Now,where's that alien jungle?!

[Mr Tretton]

I'm sure the snow is going to look better in the final product, but I didn't think it looked all that great in the beta. It was in fact, low rez.

I still think the best looking snow this gen is from Resistance 1.

[TheBand1t]

yea man, Resistance 1's snow FX were pretty godlike, especially considering it was a launch title

[younglj01]

lol I would love to be able to make a snow angel in UC2 and KZ3.

[ZombieNinjaPanda]

Wait let me look out my window.

...

Okay, maybe.

[BLACKBOIJONES]

This game is a win,ive seen most devs fail to live up to the reality of making there follow up to a game as good or better than the last,but in what ive been seeing so far it looks like gg will will make a better game than killzone 2.

psn id is jon_abobo add me lets get down with killzone 2 online :)

[Chnswdchldrn]

lol no

crysis does

for a console game? yea that snows pretty tight

[JonnyBigBoss]

Looks likely!

[2late]

now all it needs is the most realistic piss and you'd have a fun game

[OdinFallen]

Wow, I'm looking forward to this game but seriously, having articles that claim Killzone has the most realistic snow is absurd and ridiculous.

[ChristianGamer]

Lol now we're comparing snow? Wow

[Arup02]

In consoles yes, but you can find better effects on PC

[Rage_S90]

video? and it better have bullet effects and bloodstains i'm wiling to be proven wrong :)

[LunaticBrandon]

They added a key word in the article that makes it true, that word should be added to title as well.

[Welshy]

Awwwwww u can't do this to a guy lol. UC2 snow fx were fantastic but the KZ3 snow in the beta was pretty awesome too.

Oh, and just for the record, can ppl stop referencing Crysis "on teh max settingzzzz"

Point being, EVERYONE who buys KZ3 will get that quality straight out of the box.

[Arup02]

I got the quality straight of my Crysis box too.

Edit: May be remembered that Crysis is a 2007 game.

[beavis4play]

Arup02 - let me ask you something - pc people jump in and start yelling crysis - do ANY of you have even ONE other game on pc you can tout (because none of you ever mention ANY other games)?

i'd rather play on consoles and have a HUGE variety of CURRENT QUALITY experiences than have to cling to a 3 year old game.

[beavis4play]

so, you 3 disagrees - care to list that plethora of games for the pc that sell millions and look as good as KZ3, UC2, MGS4, both p3 ratchet games, GoW3, heavy rain......etc....etc.....

it's just odd that pc fan comes on these threads EVERY day of EVERY year and the ONLY game they mention is crysis - sounds like all those high-end pc rigs do is gather a lot of dust when not playing crysis. LMAO

[LunaticBrandon]

@beavis4play

Even multiplatform titles on PC look better than these Ps3 exclusives that get praised for graphics. People just go to Crysis all the time because even after all this time the total package can't be matched, there are games that beat it in some ways but not as a whole. Truth is most games coming out in 2011 on PC, exclusive or multiplat will outshine Killzone 3 and Uncharted 3 graphically.

[beavis4play]

LunaticBrandon - doesn't it seem odd to you that x360 and ps3 owners talk about a variety of games and pc gamers seem to only talk about 1 game? it sure seems odd to me. if all of these multiplat games are superior on pc - why don't people buy more of them for pc than consoles? the reality is that console games sell MUCH better than pc games even though pc games are cheaper! the looks really don't matter to me as i like console gaming better than pc gaming and it has nothing to do with graphics - you just don't see games like UC or GoW or ratchet.....and so on...... on the pc. i just wanted some input - so thanks for that.

here's another question brandon (and i'm not being a smart-@ss either - i'd really like your thoughts on this: if pc games are vastly superior - why doesn't more people buy the games. clearly, sales of console games are much higher even though pc games cost less and look (as you pc fans say) MUCH better? my feeling is that how good a pc game looks isn't due to the devs - it's ultimately dependant on how much money a person puts into a computer. and since most don't want to spend over a 1000 dollars on what it will take to run those games in the glory that you speak - they opt for consoles and games that look VERY good.
that's my last bubble - if you respond and need a reply - i'll PM you!

[Welshy]

May I add the article referenced console games?

[Bolts]

Not if they don't have a 52" 240 hz Sony LED TV, right Hip Hop Gamer? Because then it'll be like 3D, like for real.

[xtremegamerage]

http://www.youtube.com/watc... CRYSIS

http://www.youtube.com/watc... UNCHARTED 2

http://www.youtube.com/watc... KILLZONE3

Make sure you watch all in HD.

[yewles1]

You just inadvertedly owned meetajhu. XD

[peowpeow]

wait, how? xD

[Bolts]

LMAO that guy was playing Crysis Warhead on a laptop, and I was wondering how come it looks like shit. Thats a decent laptop though.

[trancefreak]

to bad he wasnt using fraps u can see the frame rate drop on crysis

[peowpeow]

@ trancefreak

I don't understand what you mean? Description says he is using fraps?

and "looks like shit" don't know what you're looking at but I thought it looked great, as well as KZ3 video

[Focker420]

Wow, ya based on those 3 vids KZ3 is the obvious winner. And the sound effects from the rifles and grenades is just incredible. I was blown away when I heard the first grenade explode. Unbelievable!!

[trancefreak]

And kz3 was mplayer.....

[Yangus]

Killzone 3 snow effect??Pff..meh.

This is realistic: http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[thegood33]

Killzone 3 most realistic puffy jacket collar ever?

[Der_Kommandant]

It only does amazing snow!

[Xander756]

I still like the snow in the original Metal Gear Solid on PS1 the best.

[TheTruth89]

@Some PCNerds Above
Crysis Snow isn't real-time rendered.

[STONEY4]

And what? Do you work for Crytek or something? Have you even played Crysis? Doubt you even game on PC.

If it wasn't real time, the effect would be stuck to the screen when turning, looking up at the sky, ect. Which it doesn't.

Need an example of fake snow? Play Oblivion.

IMO anyways, Crysis snow was never really one of it's strong points. Then again, it came out in 2007. 2007. No game back then even had decent snow effects.

[TheTruth89]

I played both Crysis and Crysis Warhead.

I never said it's bad game. but snow isn't dynamic nor real-time rendered as someone said

[LMS]

@ xtreme

the 480p crysis looks better than the HD uncharted 2 and killzone 3
uncharted 2, at least in those vids...looks way better than killzone 3

either way

crysis 2
uncharted 3
and killzone 3 all look sexy as hell and are day one purchases!!

[shammgod]

just put in my preorder for KZ3...cant wait

[Bolts]

Looking good. But I wouldn't mind some other environments since I already had enough of snow in Uncharted 2.

[Darth_Bane79]

Killzone 3 is day 1 for me. I don't play on PC because you have to spend a lot of money to get good graphic quality and good performance, besides there is not that many good games on PC.

[blackburn5]

UC2 snow was so realistic the way it clung to you and whipped around in the wind but if GG says that it made it even better? this I have to see.

[fullmetal297]

The snow changes as I MOVE. OMG DAFGSAGRTGWSGTAEGQ

[zero_cool]

http://www.alphaworks.ibm.c...

http://www.blachford.info/c...

http://www.realtimerenderin...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

http://www.technology.scee....

[A LIVING LEGEND]

Chatter creek.ca
what no helghast....
Thank me later.

[jneul]

kz3 all the way, but if drake ever finds snow in uncharted 3 you know it's gonna swipe the gfx award straight back lol, instead uncharted 3 will most likely get most realistic sand

[MARKUS_MAX1MUS]

most realistic snow? is that all people care about now, how great frozen water looks on a video game? what about the gameplay? does it feel good, does it play good?

but ohhhh look at the snowww!, the HD generation are a JOKE

[Condemnedman]

yep nerdy geeks with nothing beter to do . n4g is filled with pointless willy waving articles and the fanboys on here have the nerve to complainabout other sites !!

[A LIVING LEGEND]

This joke HD generation....they have semi-realistic snow you know.
And various other gaming variations of natural phenomenon that in no way resemble reality...
The glistening rocks are strange but this is War,this is Rain.
The controls are fine.
Day 22 buy for me.

[Bounkass]

Who cares about snow?

[Condemnedman]

Sorry but the snow I had outside my front door over christmas was more realistic.

[A LIVING LEGEND]

^ you counted pixels..?
I doubt it even existed without an accurate pixel count...sorry :(
Also,was it melting before actually reaching the ground? if so, accumulations are irrelevant and it wasn't technically 'snow'. How much drinking during Christmas,hmm?
"Front door" snow doesn't really count. So odd this sudden 'front door' snow.
Why couldn't it also appear at the back door?
nice try.

[pwneddemocrat]

Beast.

[Dr-Zoidberg]

OMG 790 DEGREES 123 COMMENTS ON SNOW.....WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU LOT LOL

[KillingAllFanboys]

WTF really you guys are fighting over which game has better looking snow. This is just sad.....gosh if I want some snow I would just outside.You guys are acting like little kids,it is just snow. Ok little kids!!!!

[Gamer112]

LOL whats next most realistic sky?

[djreplay]

I heard Guerilla borrowed a few bucket full's of snow from Naughty Dog.

[Spenok]

This should be good. I cant believe im excited to see which game does snow better xD