E3 2010: PlayStation Move Pwns Xbox 360 Kinect - Techland

By Peter Ha:

Let's get this out of the way – Sony will dominate the next generation motion control wars.
Calm down, fanboy. I've been a long-time supporter of Microsoft's Xbox platform, so it pains me to say that. But I've seen a few things the public haven't been privy to and spent extensive time with both platforms. While Sony did an incredible job trying to convert this self-proclaimed Xbox fanboy weeks ago, it wasn't until I spent an adequate amount of time with Kinect that I saw the light.

[whateva]

I been telling people for a year now that PlayStation Move was the better game controller. now it looks like everyone can see for themselves.

[saint_john_paul_ii]

aparently it isnt, according some idiots from the media, who perhaps were bribed recently with free xboxes.

[Donny]

the ps move is the better device period. no need to scroll down to see anything, just take my advice right here right now, watch sony's e3 2010 press conferance ( sorcery ) ( socom ) and you will understand. thanks ;)

[Raz]

That's the thing with console gamers - competition and aggressive behavior are traits that make us good players, so no wonder fanboy wars ensue. It's a bigger game on a bigger playing field, and in the end everyone wins as game companies (and their fans) vie with each other for first place.

And clearly, Sony has already won this round. PWNED!

[clarkdef]

Most sense I have heard in ages, we love to compete lol

[whoelse]

He mentioned a good point about AAA titles. Why would developers use a lot of their resources for a control system that only a small percentage of all 360 have. At least with the Move they can easily integrate it into almost all games!

[callahan09]

Such a good article. He tells it like it is. I agree 100%.

[PyReX-]

I wouldnt be surprised if we saw a " Move is better, connect sucks" article...or vice versa

[sikbeta]

You know what's the Worst thing, there are some dudes bringing sales already, despite the fact the none of the 2 devises are out for sell and there are others in denial cheerleading kinect and proud of the MS Conference at E3, it's just unbelievable, I mean in the 2 shows of MS there wasn't anything for those "core" members but that's seems like don't bother them...

Move is a Proven Technology, a better Device, something that Works Great with every Game, it can appeal every kind of gamers and that's good for Sony, but they at least are Showing that they still Support the PS3 fanbase with Hardcore Games and they will Support us with more Awesome Games

That's the difference here, PS3 owners don't accept Move cos it's a Sony Product, they accept Move cos they know +20 first Party Studios will Always make Awesome Games to play and not shovelware crap...

[Ps_alm3k]

well...
MS can incorporate normal controls while playing with kinect, but that would void everything that kinect stands for.
They checkmated themselves. But of course the casual player will save them, so they won't fail.

[Consoldtobots]

everything you said is on point up to the part where you said casuals would save them. I think there will be initial buzz, they'll sell about 3-4mil units until word spreads of the limited gameplay options this technology provides.

[DelbertGrady]

It's easy to call out a winner pre-hand, but it still remains to be seen who can create the killer app that casuals can't be without. That's what will determine the winner between the motion peripherals.

[Why o why]

from what we've all seen; kinect isnt even doing it for the casual gamers right about now. Even the casual wii has buttons and is more accurate.

[TengkuAmir10]

@Soda

Dude, i bought you an eBook. I sent it to your email. Go check it out.

"How to not sound dumb for dummies"

[acedoh]

They are casuals because they don't spend hours on end playing videogames. I am lucky to play once a week and usually that is only for an hour or two. Most casuals are not going to buy another videogame console when they already own a Wii... It's not going to happen. On top of that Microsoft has a terrible reputation with the casual crowd. That has been proven time and time again. And the hardcore audience doesn't want casual games. So where does that leave the 360. Between a rock and a hard place. Of course the die hard 360 fans will buy it... Then after a couple months the novelty will wear off. The Wii had a difference. It did motion control effectively with enough good games. Nintendo already had a strong fanbase and enough casual gamers. It's like Microsoft is starting from the beginning.

[sikbeta]

You know what's the problem, with didn't and don't see anything from kinect more than pre-recorded videos with actors and ads, it's like the device is not done to even test it yet...

[Patrick]

Another problems is that MS has stated they have been working on it for 20 years... and thats all they have?

[Boody-Bandit]

Actually common sense is the reason they picked Move.
Why? Because any person that has simple logic and common sense can see Move "already" works with all games both casual and hardcore. Sony proved that during their press conference and on the E3 floor.

MS used a dog and pony show that appeared to be fake and staged demos. Faked = lame actors not actually playing the games in real time. There was only one game displayed on the E3 floor. The others were in a room for VIP's only. MS didn't even announce a price for Kinect. No matter how you spin that there are so many things wrong with not announcing a price for their product when it's hitting retail this year.

To me it doesn't sound like they are overly confident in it's functionality and they are going to try and sell it on hype, media support and a huge marketing ($$$) campaign alone. Then again that is par for the course for MS and pretty much has always been their MO.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Denethor_II]

lol, so hopeful

[Sheikh Yerbouti]

Kinect already lost if you are going to make this a competition between the devices. Building off your own logic, here's why:

The killer app is going to have to build off each of their respective strengths - full body motion capture and precision motion control. For Kinect, the killer app will likely be a fitness and dancing game. Every other genre just shows off its limitations - lack of precision, no feedback, lack of independent movement. For Move, it is going to be FPS and RTS games. If more games like Heavy Rain are in the works, that proto-genre as well.

[Baba1906]

i dont care which one is better. i only have a ps3 so you can guess what i ll be getting sooon. =D i really enjoy motion controlls so im happy avbout the move and the hardcore games that support it.

[rezzah]

Sony is right when they say buttons are also needed. Seriously can any of you guys play any genre of games on Kinect with complete control with the deduction of buttons? Sony is creating games that can be played by using either Move or the DS3. Thats right 1 game, without any changes due to the Move not lacking buttons.

As I see it, for Kinect, there will only be 360 games that are played with the 360 controller and then there'll be Kinect games played only with Kinect itself.

[Shadow Flare]

It's a very important issue. If sony really believed that controller free gameplay was the way to go, they would have pushed the already existing ps3 pseye. But the fact they dropped the controller free idea and designed a new controller speaks volumes. Sony have made 2 eyetoys so far. They know its pro's and know its cons. Don't forget, sony were marketting the eyetoy exactly like MS is marketing kinetc. But the limitations of it were so much so that they dropped the idea, realised you need buttons and are now reaping the benefits. This is microsofts first experience with trying to market something like this and they learning quickly its cons. Sony has the experience and realised its not the way foward

[FanboyPunisher]

This isnt news, this is bashing and fanboyism.

Who the hell cares...seriously...

[Karlnag3]

Don't like the site? Then why did you go to the trouble of typing N4G.com into your address bar and hitting enter. Or, why did you click the bookmark? Point is if you don't like it... well, it isn't exactly hard to just leave. I'm sure there are plenty of other places for you to get game news.

So jog on.

[clarkdef]

I love this site. Its full of news that keeps me knowing, its way to negative sometimes but just ignore it. We are passionate people so are sports fans, If I argue with someone it doesn't mean I hate em either.

[FanboyPunisher]

At least I know we have sane people in this world...back to Destructiod.

Have fun fighting this war over ELECTRONICS; this is EXTEMELY pathetic that you all have gaming in common and yet want to tear eachothers eyes out. This is just a gang bang war and not everyone does it the VAST majority do.

This is one of the worse places for hatred on the internet, keep having your 'Race' wars fanboys.

[PimpHandHappy]

why you getting so heated? If you think this site is bad for hate i feel sorry for ya... read any youtube comment section and you will see small minded hateful ppl making comments like N!*&%r F@G just for starters... its the internet... you dont need to show your face after you say something stupid... like you

on point
Just wait for the reviews of REAL games for both MOVE and Natal... Then you will see how weak one vs the other really is

[acedoh]

Maybe millions of consumers. Maybe millions of gamers. If it wasn't for hardcore gamers like the ones on N4G the Wii wouldn't exist. Do you realize that gaming would be what it is without the fanboys. It's this hardcore crowd that helped keep the gaming industry alive in the 80's and get stronger and bigger than ever. So if it offends you then to bad. These are the gamers that keep gaming strong and force developers to push gaming to new heights. The gamers that get Crysis on consoles and make Uncharted 2 become that much better. So you cannot care and play mediocrity. I would rather play the future.

[willie6289]

translation:

I hate this website, they don't feel exactly the way i feel and that makes them wrong. Therefore they are fanboys and no one should care what they say. Every other opinion besides my own doesn't matter.

[00000000000000000001]

I want something more than just a stupid HD Wii controller and with Kinect you get it. Much more than just playing games!

[KazumaKiryu]

Funny, the PS3 was criticised for bringing non gaming features yet you praise microsoft for doing the same. Hypocrite.

[Shadow Flare]

enjoy your " laggy, on-rail, no shooters, racing games where you can only steer, have to stand up for all " kinetc games

[waljaber]

MOVE is the right way to go, with PS3 power developers can make mix of games and until the lunch day come let's just keep watching MS paying a lot of money trying to convince people they have better TECH-eh .

[biohazard141]

i will buy kinect just to piss u off (ps3 owners)

[Shadow Flare]

enjoy your $150 dust collector. Hope skittles is fun

[Raz]

So I think, in the end, it's you who's going to be pissed off.

[_vx]

what if i show my diK to kinect .. i wonder wat happens

[diatom]

Uno autostarts.

[Rainstorm81]

Skittles will rip it off , then do a matrix barrel roll for good measure.

[badz149]

dumbest comment ever!

[stonecold1]

according to eb games australia its $200 i tghink kinect may end up as another sega follow im going to get move

[blazBlue]

Niiiice.

[AngelorD]

walk in place? no thanks.
I'll wait for the future where we will have those things called buttons.

[strickers]

The big thing people are also forgetting is the feedback.You can hit someone with Kinect and you feel nothing,try it now.Now imagine the same game with a weapon in your hand or even punching and getting haptic feedback every hit.I think they will be enough to make like for like comparisons fall in Moves favour.We need more than visual feedback,hence Sonys choice not to do what MS have.

[DrillaKid]

im a long time reader but decided to join!

On this issue i really dont see why sony are even moving into the motion control area; the ps1 and ps2 were successful because of the amount of games sony were bringing to them.

Sony should have just dropped the move altogether because their party peice is 3d+blu ray - something their competition lack. But the move has proved itself viable but i just cant see it or kinect competing with nintendo in the casual market.

I do agree with some of the posts above that move is generic ie its just a controller that can be used with almost any game; it will probably be a standard feature of all future playstations along with the DS.

[kasasensei]

3d + move may be even more gorgeous. That's why sony decided to focus both ways. Both won't be accessible for a lot of people, at least the next year, but maybe it's part of the gaming's future. Honestly.. i don't know.. 3d with glasses seems not a big deal to me.. We'll see.

[Nugundam0079]

The words "Hard Core" get thrown around way too much alot of you are just sheep and are just blindly following whatever company that has roped their lasso of BS around your neck...its actually really sad and bothersome....

[acedoh]

I am sure you don't get effected by these companies and their advertising campaigns. Good for you. Your to smart for that. I am glad all the sheep need to stay in their flocks. You can be the wolf hanging on the outside...

[cygnuszero]

Love how you have to buy 3 devices for this thing, the pointer, the navigation device, and the eye toy. That should go over pretty well with the average consumer.

But with Kinect you just need to buy 1 thing, and dont need to weild around 2 waggle controllers at the same time.

I wonder which one is better.

[jalen247]

Functionality determines which one is better. PS3 motion solution(PS Eye and PS Move) is more functional than Kinect

[Patrick]

OMG your right! Why didnt I see this before. Only having to buy one thing with Kinect makes all the unresponsive controls, lag and lack of any real game just disappear. /s

Now that thats out of the way, On to the Move. Sept 19 is just 3 months away and I cant wait.

[jalen247]

I have said it from the jump, Microsoft isn't even in the same league with Sony when it comes to hardware. It was obvious early on that Sony's motion solution is the best implementation especially for the hardcore.

To be honest Kinect is worse and more disappointing than I thought it would be. Jumping up and down is not my idea of fun

[TheRebelliousHater]

The move is better because it supports hardcore games like Dead Space 2 and Socom 4. While the kinect just focus mainly on casual games. The sad thing is there well always be dumb-asses that will buy it because " you can control a game without a controller". There is like two people in my class who is going to buy kinect. It's to bad that I won't be wasting money.

[jalen247]

I think early adopters will purchase Kinect but I don't think Kinect will sell well beyond early adopters

[jalen247]

Sony had better showing of PS Move before E3 than Microsoft so called big E3 reveal

[BillOreilly]

i dont want motion in any hardcore game it sucks exept for sports and family games so kinect will be easier for non gamers itl sell for casuals where move will sell to core gamers move is precise but natal looks like fun with family or friends (my opinion)

[discoworld]

once again m$ jump out da box trying to keep up with out researching their product sometimes its best wait and get right sony has did that by turning down some early tech that didnt work with what gamers would like and need

[jemarval]

I totally agree with the moves being superior but I see a big flaw for the move... Yes. It looks to much like a wii copy! We might know it's not but for the masses, it does. It might be different, and better, but to the eye of the public is the same. And Im saying this being ps3 owner. When I try to explain PS MOVE to my friends and brothers and justify why I might buy it, The understand "Oh, so its a wii mote for the ps3??" I say no, but the more I explain they ask again "So its like a wii hd?" NO!! But thats what the general public understands!! try to explain to someone you know that isnt all day hooked on N4G news and you will see my point.
I believe Kinect will sell just for the view than its different from anything on the market and its inovative (I mean, for the general public). And move will have to sell based on the games they release, Like with the ps3, the games have to be mindblowing awesome.

[ColecoVision]

Nice reply. You sound like a person who thinks for themselves instead of just another fanboy. The general public and casual gamer don't come to gaming message boards and don't have a clue about what E3 is. Come this holiday season they will see comercials for Move and Kinect. All will say that the Move is just like the Wii control, but still will be interested in it as having another choice for a purchase. However, here we go again on the prices:

Wii - $200.00
PS3/Move bundle - $400.00

A big $ difference for the casual gamer. Then we have the Kinect... Between the Kinect/Burger King promo coming, morning talk shows and commercials, it will standout as being different over the other 2 to the casual gamer. Price will be no more than $300.00 for the 360 Arcade/Kinect bundle.

Sony will have to come up with some really creative advertising... One that doesn't include Marcus. To me this more Move VS. Wii than Move VS. Kinnect.

It's easy to fire up the fanbase on a message board, but to the general public and casual gamer, it doesn't mean a thing. Look at what us PS3 and 360 fanboys were doing a ways back. We were bashing the Wii like no other... Kept counting the days until the novelty was going to die. Damn, we were sure wrong.

I noticed some lag with Kinect and noticed lag on the golf demo with Move. Both companies have a little time left to make some final adjustments if they are able to do so.

[kewlkat007]

is buying a PS3 because of Playstation MOVE....hehe

Really with all the great games we have seen the past 2 years on the PS3, as well as the 360..this is what you've been waiting for to jump unto a PS3....You kiddin me.

/Facepalms

Gee-Whiz Nintendo, you've had it right all along. It even turns Hardcore games into.....

[Patrick]

Yes and No. Yes Nintendo got it right with the idea of the Wii, and its ok and fun for some games, but No they didnt get it right with the technology. Its good, but its not an accurate, precise and full enough experience for both hardcore and casual gamers. The Move however is. I'm impressed with the Wii, especially this year and will buy my family a black one, but to me, the move is the fuller experience with 1:1 motion, augmented reality, the Minority report camera mode thingy...(dont know what else to call it) and everything else it does.

[JonnyBigBoss]

I had the chance to play both pretty extensively. While Kinect is geat fo party play, itlll really be limited to just that. Move works so well with Tiger, The Fight, SOCOM, LBP, etc. It's easy to see that it has a wide range of applications, and works so precisely that hardcore games will wok tremendously well.

[Claudinho69]

pwns kinect

[Cyan8313]

This is why video game journalists are looked down upon by the rest of the writing media. If someone want to be a writer they should use real words. And "Pwns" isn't one of them.

[Patrick]

Yeah but their writing it FOR gamers.. and guess what? I see it used alot on here. So he's staying true to his audience. Do you think the average non gamer gets up and is like "oh, lets see whats on N4G or Techland today"
Doubt it.