9 things that suck about 3D

A MyGaming contributor explains why the 3D revolution is not as cool as Sony wants us to believe.

[whateva]

Blu-Ray is not needed Digital Download is the future!

PSPgo Digital Download only OMG theyz taken away my UMD.

[Alcon Caper]

anti Natal articles as well, might I add. Everyone gets their fair share of criticism. This article, however, is the first completely anti-3D article I've seen on N4G. Approve it so we can discuss why it's a bad/good idea...

[Cevapi88]

looks at #7....i don't think that you have met KZ3....KZ3 meet #7............................ ...cue awkward silence

[zootang]

It's not just Sony supporting 3D

Panasonic sold out of 3D TV's in a week
http://www.tgdaily.com/cons...

Not to mention Samsung are investing heavily in advertising 3D
8 million to be exact
http://www.guardian.co.uk/m...

[cliffbo]

please show me a link to an anti natal article ?

[rockleex]

I don't know why a person would complain about having to wear 3D glasses unless they have eyesight problems.

In fact, many of the younger generations love taking the RealD glasses home. They would take out the lenses and wear the glasses around as part of their style.

Btw, if you care so much about how you look while you're playing video games... good luck. The majority of the population look down on you simply for playing games. So I don't get why wearing glasses would make a difference.

Anyways, there's already research into glassless 3DTVs. It can only get better.

[Alcon Caper]

http://n4g.com/news/531522/...

http://n4g.com/news/446087/...

http://n4g.com/news/526937/...

http://n4g.com/news/491609/...

http://n4g.com/news/450599/...

Now that I've shown you FIVE anti natal articles, show me at least ONE article that talks about the cons of 3D gaming on the PS3.

[Cevapi88]

its not so much a 3D vs Natal thing....3D isnt owned or exclusive to one company...it can be implemented on each system...even the new ds is going to be able to do 3d....the move on the other hand has had articles written against it just as Natal since both are motion control devices and have a commonality....3D on the other hand?? its like with Natal...its something new and different...we have yet to experience it...people who bash each system and its tech have nothing better to do and is just flamebait

[cliffbo]

@Alcon Caper

Enjoy

http://n4g.com/news/533056/...

[-Alpha]

Why do you treat Sony as some constant victim? I've seen articles criticizing all sorts of things no matter what the console on N4G.

This article speculates on 3D, but really, we have to wait to see it. I've heard amazing things about Killzone 3D. And with news about James Cameron being affiliated with Sony I really am interested to see how it works out. It's simply an optional setting and I don't see the harm in 3D. Whether it's the future or not depends on how hard Nintendo/Sony push it. I think the biggest stumbling block is the required glasses, but we will wait and see.

[Philaroni]

Like I have told others, you remember when HDTV was in its first gen? 720p if you where lucky and like 24ms response times. That and they cost like $1599. And look where we are now, they are uber thin, much cheaper and crisper and many other things, some even are shipping with Wifi and even apps in them now. 3D is also in its first Gen and for a very new tech it is very impressive, just think of what it will be like 3, 4, or even 5 years from now.

As for the goggles, soon Cellphones will have 3D tech as well and you will see sunglasses that double as a 3D glasses that are going to be a trend in the coming years.

[SOAD]

"1. You have to wear dorky glasses. They weren’t cool during the original 50s hey-day of 3D, and their modern revamping to look like cooler, more normal sunglasses are still not cool. Nobody wants to have to wear something stupid on their face just to experience the pseudo-thrill of films, television and games in 3D."

I'm so glad that we're allowed to swear so now I can say this: WHO THE FUCK CARES WHAT YOU LOOK LIKE WHEN YOU'RE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME? When did this become an issue? I've seen idiots from both sides of the console debate bringing this up. The anti-3D folks and the anti-Natal folks are now saying that both make you look like an idiot. Like it fucking matters.

"6. People reaching out in real life. The story goes that when the very first movies were shown in 1895 by the Lumière brothers, the audience stampeded to escape the runaway train that was about to crush them. Even now, people reach out and try and grab the scenery that is seemingly right in front of them, seemingly unaware that the train is not going to actually crush them."

How the fuck is this even on the list? If 3D is so fantastic that I'm compelled to reach out and touch things that aren't there, then good. That is not something that sucks. That is something that ROCKS about 3D.

Number 9 is pure speculation. For all we know, 3D can become a standard in all forms of video entertainment, the same way that high definition is becoming a standard.

Number 8 is so stupid it sounds like an excuse that Charlie from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia would say.

The only real problems that this article points out that I agree with are that 3D can induce headaches, it will cost a good deal of money, and it downgrades the resolution and performance of some games. That's all.

[D4RkNIKON]

Not to mention he keeps saying that games with great graphics wont be made in 3D.. KILLZONE 3 SAYS HELLO!

[Mo0eY]

I dislike 3D simply because it hurts my brain/head. I hope that 3D is an option not a standard.

[Nihilism]

You sad little man, under the delusion that sony is introducing 3D...

You realise that there is over 500 PC games that are already using 3D, and that it has been around for years on PC, or that it has been around even longer for movies...

[Kleptic]

I think he is saying that because its Sony that is pushing it for home video game consoles...MS has said absolutely nothing about it, and many speculate on what it can even do given it only has HDMI 1.2...

so it basically is Sony pushing for 3D in your living room for games, at least this generation...and I agree with this article, everyone will next generation...

[nycredude]

I don't know about you guys but I have seen way more commercials for 3d tv coming from Samsung and Panasonic and LG than Sony so I do see why the hate towards Sony. Why don't people rant about Samsung and the other companies. I don't see SOny as "pushing" anything! This isn't some drug dealer on the corner. They are giving us an option to better our gaming experience. If you don't want it or can't afford it then don't use it. Simple. There will be a time in the near future when this is affordable to everyone and trust mean all these haters will jump on board then and claim it to be awesome.

[stevenhiggster]

What I don't get is why they're making out like Sony are the only ones pushing 3D!
Sony don't even have a 3D tv on the market yet and others do, and look at all the 3D films that are out or coming out, I doubt Sony had a hand in them all!
All of the big entertainment businesses are saying that 3D will be the future not just Sony.
Personally I don't see it taking off, most people have bought new HD tv's recently and won't be in a hurry to go out and buy a new one for 3D.

[sikbeta]

People think will change something with this "articles"?

There are Lots of Industries Supporting and Pushing 3D, it's The New Trend, you don't like it, you still have the choice of not take it, but don't try to ruin this for everyone...

[Inside_out]

It's a gimmick to sell more TV's and stuff like games and movies...funny how these " GREAT " things are always more expensive...

It's one thing to sit and watch a 80 minute long movie...gamers play longer than that and are much more interactive with whats gonna on...Like ridding a roller coaster for an hr...Watch for the warnings....3D gaming will FAIL....you'll here more about the dangers in the coming wks and months...Sony making a BIG mistake...

[nycredude]

You sir are a fucking retard. Go troll somewhere else. The only one failing is you cause all you do is hate. What did Sony do to you? Seriously some of you need to get out more cause obviously the hate is consuming you and it's not healthy bro. Sony's just a company like all these other companies and we're talking just games here, not life and death. Don't take it so personal.

[Biggest]

I know it is an opinion piece. . . But wow is his opinion stupid. He doesn't like dorky glasses, so 3D sucks. It downscales games which is an issue even though half of the big name games are less than HD to begin with. Which makes 3D suck. His eyes don't work and he got a headache, which in turn means that 3D sucks. He doesn't have a job that pays him well. 3D sucks because he feels a new TV is expensive. Numbers 6 and 8 take the cake for stupidity. People physically moving their arms outward makes 3D suck. And he has trouble understanding that 3D isn't anything not 3D. I feel bad for his brain, which is another reason that I am sure 3D sucks.

[knight626]

i dont really see 3D as a bad idea might push some sells or not but if its an option to have in a game i dont mind it at all

[Chris_TC]

Exactly, it'll always be an option. Just like you can turn the color in your TV down to 0% saturation (black and white) or play those 7.1 movies back in stereo, you will always be able to just display one of the two images and get 2-D instead of 3-D.

Since it's an optional feature, all the haters should just let us have our fun because we're not taking anything away from them. They will always have their 2-D mode.

[Quagmire]

No 3d porn...until now

giggidy goo

[CountDracula]

What about number 10?

Looking like an idiot when masturbating to 3D porn.

(Foreshadows this when 3d issue of Playboy came... and I took matters into my own hands...)

[stevenhiggster]

Unless you whack off in front of a mirror or in front of your friends! I really don't see number 10 being an issue. :D

[rekof]

3D IS AWeSOME!!! what sucks I will have to wait to next gen to get new TV,gt 50 inch lcd,3 years ago.. But from m experienced,.. It is the future of gaming and tv media ,.. Anyone buying tvs now,.. get it !

[peeps]

a few valid point but mostly odd...

#1 so what? i didn't care about wearing the glasses when i went to watch avatar a few months back. + people are already waving their arms around when playing the wii and will soon be joining them on ps3 and 360 with move and natal lol i don't think gamers will mind too much about wearing the glasses.

#6 how is making someone believe something is coming out the tv a bad thing. isn't that the point of 3D?

#7 well as far as i'm aware killzone 3 and GT5 are gonna support 3D and they're debatably the best looking games on ps3

#8 this is just trying to make something out to be more confusing than it is...

#9 it would be no different to what you have now... you still have a cable going from console to tv and your tv doesn't just do 3d... so it would just be the same set up as you have now but with some glasses

so i guess the only points i really agree with are the cost and widespread adoption which kind of go hand in hand. I personally wont be buying a 3D tv anytime soon because of the cost. Moving to hdtv was an easy decision though since you knew that there was a wide variety of films available in 3D and 2 out of the 3 consoles would support HD for as long as they're out

[yoghurt]

I was unsure about 3D, until I tried it out at a Sky 3D preview booth this week, I have to say I was very impressed.

The footage was a mixture of stuff, but was clearly HD and look crisp as you like, and the 3d just added a new dimension

So I can see how this would actually really create a new level of immersion within a game

was cautious, now very very interested

[livewires]

Their are three things that drive format change.

Porn
Sport
Gaming

not being funny but when all thesse things are in 3d only the will 3d adopt,

The some world cup and premiership games are now in 3d
Games are turning
I doubt many porn makers can afford 3d cameras

[facelike]

I'm sure that they can afford those cameras.

The porn industry was one of the first industry to have HD-DVD technology before popular HD-DVD movies were released.

[DigitalAnalog]

When you criticise 3D, you have take the make sure the subject is directly approached. Batman's: AA 3D should not be inclusive as well as the Motorstorm and Wipeout HD. After all, these games were NOT built from the 3D ground up (hence the vast difference between "Avatar" and the accursed "Clash of the Titans".) If anything, I've been receiving positive responses from Killzone 3 a very graphical and technical game that received almost no issues with 3D according to some news sources.

-End statement

[Colonel-Killzone]

3D seems cool to me. I mean people will still love this feature so i'm all for it.

[Philaroni]

It is funny, if you go back people said the same thing about VHS and DVD and the same thing with SDTV and HDTV and alos again with Blu Ray and DVD.

The fact it is getting so much support and we hardly have any TVs that use it yet is a very good leading indicator to how this tech will pan out. I'd bet my life on that with in 1-2 years we will start to see the first 3D Phones and PC and laptop screens. Then those 120$ glasses will have a crap load more use. And also the NFL is going to broadcast in 3D in ether 2011 or 12, once that happens people in the US will flock to it.

[TheMART]

Sigh

Although there isn't enough content to buy a 3DTV yet, the writer of this article didn't investigate well...

His first point agreed, glasses are stupid and its said that glasses free screens are also possible. So the mass of people will probably wait for those.

2nd point, total nonsense. Only existing games that are converted to 3D suffer from a resolution downgrade. Those games that are coded at start for 3D don't take a hit in resolution. On this point the writer fails hard.

3rd point, so you got a headache from some semi 3D game? Not the full 3D experience and viewed on an actual 3DTV... ah right...

4rd yes every new piece of electronics is expensive. Wait out for a year or so, while price drops the content grows.

5th logical with a new technique. But gamers are known to pick up stuff fast. With GT5 and KZ3 both confirmed to be 3D and probably new games to be announced for 2011 like Uncharted 3, inFamous 2, Motorstorm 3 etc not even mentioned new IP's, I'm sure Son will push 3D for gamers to the max.

6th so an experience in your view can never be improved? gtfo

7th wrong. Read the 2nd point answer above. Hardware takes virtually no hit if programmed in 3D from start.
So current gen is powerful enough.

8th searching for stupid reasons to make it up to 9 things? We all know current TV's give a flat screen, with some sort of dept through colours and dept of them. But we also know that 3D in reality is something else than a flat TV.

9th lol yeah, if companies never innovated to HD, you would still be playing your bigass SDTV. Thats called progression over time. Not saying every innovation is good, but in general if something disappoints it'll die soon enough. If 3D is done real great, the experience of stuff pretty much coming out of the TV instead of all staying behind a flat glass screen sounds cool to me. If done well that is.

[nycredude]

Mart

I can't believe it but I totally agree with you.

Edit: I decided to give you a bubble cause I saw you had only 2, which sucks. Having just the standard 3 bubbles suck ass!

[sid4gamerfreak]

1. "You have to wear dorky glasses."

Well, no one actually looks at you so I dont care if im wearing glasses or not

2. "It downscales your game"

Nope, not true like the TheMART at Xboxkings said, games coded fore 3D wont recieve downgraded resolution...

3. "Headaches"

Maybe, 3D doesn't give me headaches but I haven't tried 3D gaming

4. "Expensive."

Yes 3D is expensive, hopefully though, prices will go down

5. "Widespread adoption is far away"
I'm not sure about that point, maybe new 3D tittles maybe announced, but who cares if we wait? A person doesnt have to go and buy a 3Dtv right now, we can always wait...

6. "People reaching out in real life."
?
7. "The current generation isn’t powerful enough"
Well, we'll wait and see won't we?...KZ3...

8. Confusing terminology
Who cares? HD and "full hd" is still confusing to many ppl...

9. The pile of stuff that you’ll be left with when the fad dies
That is outright stupid. Remember, everyone dismissed HD technology. And look where it is now. Come on ppl, be open to new ideas. Atleast try them, if not succeed.

[Philaroni]

9. The pile of stuff that you’ll be left with when the fad dies
That is outright stupid. Remember, everyone dismissed HD technology. And look where it is now. Come on ppl, be open to new ideas. Atleast try them, if not succeed.

He must be feeling butt hurt over HD-DVD. At least 3D is its on thing and its not some kind of format war.

[Chris_TC]

Ha, I have an HD DVD player still here along with about 40 movies. But when the format failed I bought a Blu-ray player pretty much right away. "Tough luck," I thought and moved on.

[Marty8370]

Yes Sony are pushing 3D, but so are loads of electronic makers are: LG, Nvidia, Panasonic, Pioneer, Samsung, Nintendo(if rumours of 3DS are true) to name a few.

Others that are envolved in 3D are Hollywood, Porn Idustry, Games industry, Sky, Blu-ray, Discovery Channel.

And BTW Sony broadcasting the 'World Cup' in 3D, which is a major sporting event. Uptake of large 3DTV's is expected to soar cos of it.

@author - Well by his logic he thinks tech shouldn't move on, would he be happy still watching a Black & white TV with mono sound. Likes of the PS3/360 wouldn't be around cos memory chips would be 1k rather than the 512MB needed for the consoles of today. Boy this guy is stuck in the past.

[glassjoe2k8]

I hate to throw around insults, but you sound like quite the uninformed and overly-opinionated idiot.

1. Don't say 'nobody' wants to wear them when we've seen a handul of 3D films this year make more than the gross domestic product of several small nations.

2. Passing off this info about downscaling is as premature as saying a game in alpha has sucky graphics. Give a little time, 3D hasn't even 'officially' hit the home gaming market yet, outside of pc games.

3. Your headaches aren't my headahces, as I've never had em. Not to mention you admit that it wasn't even true 3D.

3. Expensive? Eh, that's a relative term. Most HD tv's were expensive up until a year or so ago, and they're still expensive for many people. But you can't tell me I shouldn't buy a Porsche just because you drive a Camry. And HD tv's are far from obsolete, kiddo.

4. This is stupid, and if you can't see that this means people are having fun with it, then you obviously don't understand why people like 3D (and they do) in the first place.

5. If you want to get technical, MOST people still own standard def tv's. So? I don't, and there's plenty of hd for me to consume. 3D? Give it 6 months and the trickle will turn into a downpour.

7. This is the same point you made at number 2, only rephrased. And it's still jumping the gun. Not to mention that we know already that it works fine for home dvd/tv, so your (incorrect) point would only apply to one aspect of 3D anyway.

8. In the big kid world, we use the same terms to often mean different things, and it's the context in which we use them that determines the meaning. If I said I was going to play a game in 3D or watch a movie in 3D, you or anyone else would know what I was talking about.

9. Hmm, the pile of stuff I'll be left with when the fad dies. Let's see. HD tv? Yeah, who needs that! Bluray player/PS3? USELESS if 3D dies. USELESS! Gimme a break. The sky isn't falling because some people enjoy 3D. There's a market for it, and companies have every right to capitalize.

So again, you're an idiot.

[pixelsword]

...but not earphones, or a wristband for your Wiimote?

Please, just be quiet about that because you sound stupid when you bark garbage like that.

[ironfist92]

People complain bout wearing 3D glasses, but when douchebags wear shades INSIDE a freaking house, everyone thinks its cool.

[Fishy Fingers]

The recent KZ3 previews have really changed my opinion and got me excited about 3D at home, they're nothing but positive over it's use in the game.

Yes it can be expensive and yes wearing the glasses maybe a pain, but if the experience out weighs all that then it's all worth it in my opinion. Plus things get cheaper quickly and shorly every large HDTV will support 3D. It will basically be forced upon the mass market.

[lost2]

the only thing that i want to experience in 3D is PORN

[Kahvipannu]

Personally, I'm not interested in 3D, atleast what stage of tech it is at the moment. It's basically for sologaming only, and it downgrades games presentation a lot, and I'm not fond to the glasses either. But maybe this is the future, we'll see, and maybe my mind will change.

Oh, and most of this articles points were really badly tought and useless..

[Daft Vice]

I thought 3D TV would be dumb but I checked one out last week and was not expecting it be that good. It's so much sharper than in the cinema. It changed my mind on the whole thing. I'd love a 3D TV when prices are more reasonable.

[kraze07]

Reasons I don't care for 3D.

1) Headaches: I get headaches when looking at 3D images. You're lucky if you don't get them.

2) Loss of visual quality: I'm not talking about downscaled resolutions but 3D images don't look as good as normal, solid images. This may have something to do with the human eye only being able to focus on one plane at a time.

3) Loss of research and development for holographic technology: This may sound foolish but with the market for 3D growing you can bet electronic developers are going to be concentration on making better 3D displays while focusing less on holographics.

[Rhythmattic]

"Loss of research and development for holographic technology"

Here is a innovator in the field. Starts with S.

[Rhythmattic]

Just for the knob that disagreed.

http://www.engadget.com/200...

http://www.core77.com/blog/...

[Chris_TC]

No, you're not lucky if you don't get headaches. You're unlucky if you do get them.

About 5% of people have trouble watching 3-D content, so that's certainly a minority. I don't have a link right now, but I'm sure you can Google it.

The loss of visual quality is not true of course because both video streams are full quality and don't reduce the visuals in any way.

[kraze07]

Like I said it's not the actual quality of the video, but how the human eye receives the video. All you have to do is play a game or watch a movie in 3D then do the same without it being 3D and you'll see what I'm talking about. It's clearly evident it doesn't look the same.

@Rhythmattic

That vid is cool. I've never seen or heard about that before.

[Marty8370]

Remember Microsofts 'Bill Gates' said: "640K ought to be enough for anybody," which he supposedly said in 1981. Refering to the amount of memory need for Windows OS.

Boy was he wrong.

[Nihilism]

actually that has been proven to be B.S, a made up myth, it's a fun story though

[foxxy]

I want 3d I like to have the option and I'm all for wearing glasses who gives a shit how you look it's what you are seeing that's important sigh I know a 360 owner said it dude f off this article isn't for 360 owner your never getting killzone 3d just keep playing your gears 1.5 cause the graphics to your games never changes.

[thor]

Major problems for me:

Cost of 3D equipment - TVs are very expensive and there aren't going to be many 3D games or films for me to watch for a while, so it's not worth the investment.

Wearing glasses - I would have to wear contact lenses rather than glasses otherwise I wouldn't be able to see; some people don't have contacts and couldn't watch at all. But the main problem is of other people watching. If you are playing a game if there are people around they will want to see what you are doing! But unless you have 5 pairs of glasses and none of your friends or family members wear glasses instead of contacts, they can't watch you play. This is even worse for movie-watching.

Not true 3D - 3D is not true 3D. It may be better than having coloured lenses in silly glasses, but it's not much better. The main thing it is missing is focus. The TV is always the same distance away, so every image on it is at the same focal distance. That means that depth of field effects are likely to disorient as you try and fail to focus on objects that are blurred. Notice that it is still possible to gauge distance and tell a 3D image from a flat one even if you have one eye closed. 3DTV will send mixed messages because in some ways it looks 3D, and in others it looks 2D, and many people will end up with a headache.

Gimmicky technology - Unlike colour, or LCD, or HD, 3DTV is NOT just an improvement over previous technologies. Even if you can't tell the difference between SD and HD, there are no disadvantages to having HD. The same can't be said for 3D because of the problems I listed. So it's simply not an iterative improvement over previous technologies, which makes it a gimmicky addon. Much like adding smell-o-vision or a water pistol which squirts you to make those underwater scenes more "realistic".

[Redempteur]

1) dorky glasses ? it all depends on the model of glasses you use ..the nvidia galsses are black , simple and cool .

2) who cares about resolution ? you're in 3d resolution doesn't matter since you're feeling depth . Also games coded for 3d won't have a resolution change .

3) headaches ? No ..i've already watched several movies in 3d and i'm feeling fine

6) what ? People will learn what to do and what to not do after 2,3 sessions

7) the playstation 3 exist that's good enough for me

[BabyTownFrolics]

maybe someone knows the answer

in terms of Killzone 3, does putting it in 3D lower the resolution?

Is that even how it works?

I'm just curious

[Kahvipannu]

I might be wrong, byt when game gets 3D support, developers have to make everything twice. So there is two images on top eachother, which can be seen as 3D effect with 3D-glasses. So basically it eats a lot of power from hardware, since there is double ammout of stuff on screen. One way of making this happen, is to lower resolution, but can't say more on that..
Please correct me if I am wrong..

[Nihilism]

no that is absolutely correct, it has to render a set amount of frames ( whatever frame rate the game usually runs at ) and then double it for 3d as each alternate frame has to be for the different angle to make up the 3d, if they didn't double the frames then you would have half the amount per eye making it appear very slow, so they can either halve the frame rate, or lose some I.Q

[crapgamer]

3-D isn't the future, it's the past. It will never catch on in the way HDTV did. My grandparents and parents can enjoy HDTV, they wouldn't want to wear glasses to watch Television or see movies though. So right away you take pretty much anyone over the age of 40, then there are people under 18 who cant afford it, parents who (might) have it, probably wont let their young kids use it, it can strain the eyes, then there are the people who already wear glasses. It's a small percentage who actually will want to use this technology. I avoid the movies in the 3-D, it's not my thing to wear stupid glasses to enjoy movies, television or games. It's not like Sony hasn't failed with products in the past, the Eye Toy, PS2 Hard drive etc.. They are taking advantage of having instituted DVD players and Blue Ray players in our houses.

[BubbaLsL]

The thing that sucks for me personally is the fact that I am blind in my left eye so I don't see 3D. Whenever I put on the glasses all I see is one big blur (and I don't mean the game).

[Cryptech]

I am not that excited about 3D on consoles. I had this on my PC like 8 years ago and while cool it gave me bad headaches. I played Operation Flashpoint and Jedi Knight: Jedi Outcast in 3D, but besides the headaches the glasses were very uncomfortable. It was cool to see blaster shots go right by me though, hehe.

[Tzuno]

The technology rush with a speed that not all the people can stay with

[Alcon Caper]

You're missing the point. I agree that it's not 3D vs. Natal. However, we shouldn't be hesitant to approve this article. Just like any aspect of gaming that is new, we should look at various opinions and perspectives to help open discussion about how it will affect the future of gaming.

It has since been approved--there really shouldn't have been any reason why not. But the repeated reports of "Lame,"Flamebait,&qu ot; and "Other (It's bad)," in an attempt to offset any negativity behind 3D gaming doesn't fairly represent a wide range of opinion that N4G should be striving for.

In other words, there's no reason why it should not have been approved. Anti Move, Natal, and other articles have been approved out the wazoo. Let's be a little consistent here...