The Importance Of Socom 4

Ironstar writes: "Over the years, the Socom franchise has gained a huge following. Though it may not be as popular as the Halo franchise, it is arguably equally as important to the Playstation brand as Halo is to the Xbox."

[arakouftaian]

But SONY did wrong giving this game to /6

Zipper Will bring back SOCOM to the Multiplayer Elite.

[-Alpha]

"SOCOM 4 is as big as HALO in Multiplayer terms"

How? Socom seemed to be the flagship multiplayer title for the PS2. We've yet to see it shine on the PS3 and Killzone has become Sony's shooter flagship. I don't see how Socom is anywhere near as big as Halo both in terms of popularity or features.

The last thing I want is another Halo comparison. They aren't even the same style let alone the same genre.

I'm not hyping Socom 4 much until I see more at E3. As of right now it's another shooter to me. Heard great things about the PS2 games, but the shooter scene has evolved a lot since then. I hope to see E3 shed some light on Socom 4 but I have to reserve judgment until then. Personally I think it has good potential but have seen barely anything on it. Of course this is Zipper's staple series so I expect nothing less from it.

[alphakennybody]

@ alpha
Soccom franchise is definitely the more popular shooter amongst the true hardcore shooter fan out there, especially in terms of multiplayer. It has a higher demand in skills/teamwork/strategy than any other shooters out there (well on consoles) even with its flaws Soccom:confrontation still demand those more than any shooter out this gen. Ever joined a room against hardened Soccom players? they'll eat you and your teammates in matter of seconds.

[HolaTarola]

SOCOM is HUGE on PlayStation, probably you doesn't know this but even with all his flaws and being a major let down to all SOCOM fans, SOCOM: Confrontation is the most played game on PSN, yeah, beating Killzone 2, Modern Warfare 2, Bad Company, etc.. And is a fact, I think was the PS blog who gave the news.

[Venatus-Deus]

As a massive SOCOM fan I'm pretty sure nothing beats Modern Warfare 2 in terms of numbers on the PSN.

There are probabley 50 rooms holding upto 254 players during core US hours. many of those rooms are not full. You probably have a similar amount playing quick matches.

MW2 has about half a million during busy times and quarter million all other times.

[mugoldeneagle03]

Ill agree with you on the Halo comparison. They are about as complete opposites as you can find out there.

However, SOCOM both on the PS2, and even with Confrontation does things BETTER than any other shooter has to this day. In PS3 terms (console I prefer) I owned every COD, both Resistance titles, Killzone, UT3, MAG, pretty much every shooter available on the system and I have yet to play a game where communication and strategy pretty much determine the outcome of a game. Coincidently enough, the game that comes closest is probably MAG, also developed by Zipper.

And yes, Confrontation was by far the worst game in the series thus far, and I still logged more hours on that than any of the games I mentioned. To me, any many other "hardcore" shooter enthusiasts, even a bad SOCOM is better than your average shooter.

Also, SOCOM's community will always be hands down better than Killzone's. The difference is passion, dedication and loyalty. I can't remember another game where I've ran into players I've played with in years past like I have with SOCOM (Played with many old SOCOM 2 players in Confrontation along with S3/Combined Assault)

[sikbeta]

SOCOM4 is tactical TPS for the Real Hardcore Crowd, with the Addition of SP more people will join the SOCOM-Crew

[secksi-killer]

feel need to mention socoms popularity in comparison to halos????? i know, just to cause some flaming and get hits!!

and i notice the person who posted this made sure we would all see that in the portion we could read lol. the story should be removed just for that alone.

anyway, yes i think zipper will bring back socom to it's former glory. thats it really.

[morganfell]

People either choose to forget or simply ignore the fact that Zipper oversaw all SOCOM Confrontation production. Seth Luisi was even promoted to do just that. And it was Sony that decides when to ship a SOCOM title, not Slant Six. You won't find a more ardent PS3 supporter on this board but the facts are the facts.

As regards SOCOM it will blister the hell out of your typical run and gun player. Teamwork = survival. I didn't say victory because that alone is not enough. Of all the FPS and TPS titles I have played, SOCOM requires the most skill and is the least forgiving of stupidity, arrogance, and impatience. It is the pinnacle of tactical play.

[RememberThe357]

I'm a blast 2pac and play Killzone 2 type of shooter fan. I'm enjoying MAG quite a bit and all the teamwork involved (when you get players who actually work as a team) but thats as far as I'm willing to go right now. I'll probably give the game a go though, Zipper is a quality dev and MAG has showed me that they know how to put a multiplayer game together.

[eggbert]

if it'll be better to use dualshock 3 or the move controller.

I wish they'd just incorporate keyboard and mouse support.

:(

[Simon_Brezhnev]

yeah i want mouse and keyboard support i dont think im getting into anymore FPS until the move or they incorporate mouse and keyboard.

[spandexxking]

good thing socoms' a TPS then!

[ALFAxD_CENTAURO]

There is the Predator Keyboard and Mouse to play ALL PS3 games.

[AKS]

I would definitely say Move. It's similar in a lot of ways to a mouse. Movement of the character with the "subcontroller" might actually be more pleasant to use than the WASD keys on the keyboard, although aiming won't be quite as quick and precise as with the mouse.

On the other hand, aiming with the move should be worlds better using Move than with an analog stick. Spend some time playing through the 'Cube/PS2 version of Resident Evil 4 then put in some time with the Wii version with Wiimote. It makes a huge difference in accuracy, and the Wiimote is considerably less precise than the Move. Even when motion control was shoehorned in after the fact it made a huge difference. It's great for any game that requires precise 3D movements or aiming, such as in a shooter.

[kaveti6616]

Who's making Socom 4?

Edit: Then why is that Arakouftaian guy up top saying, "SOCOM 4 is as big as HALO in Multiplayer terms. But SONY did wrong giving this game to /6."

Anyway, I think it's weird that Zipper is moving on from MAG so quickly. I hear so many gamers complaining about a lack of new maps. Zipper should get on that.

[LordMarius]

Zipper

[JAMurida]

Zipper

[Simon_Brezhnev]

Zipper

[jidery]

Zipper

[arakouftaian]

lol

[ijkabob]

Zipper

[FanOfGaming]

Zipper

[coolcut135]

when it aint broke, don't fix it
Zipper

[mastiffchild]

#Oh coolcut! No CCCCombo breaker!? We're slipping!

[KILLERAPP]

Slant6... Sorry JAJAJAJAJA SAD,,,

[ChozenWoan]

Zipper!

[boysenberry]

Zi to the pper :)

[Awookie]

Button, errr Zipper

[Forbidden_Darkness]

ZiPpEr

[Faztkiller]

Zipper nearly 150 People some worked on mag and the rest have been working on Socom 4
http://www.playstationunive...
“We’re still 100% committed to supporting MAG. There’s some crossover here at the studio, but we have dedicated teams to each,” adding, “(Plus, we didn’t just start this yesterday, we’ve been working on it for awhile). Dunham further commented, “We have some exciting things for MAG coming up and for a long time after.”

[Sarevok]

Who made it again? I missed it the first time :{

[Izanagi]

Zipper!

[xaviertooth]

zipper?

[Nicholas Cage]

understand that this new socom is made by the original team who made socom u.s navy seals. yea, you get the picture. im looking forward to a "rebirth" of the socom series if you will. thanks!

[OrganicMachine]

that they under estimate the SOCOM franchise and its fanbase.. Those socom fans are the most hardcore of any shooter fans I have ever met online (besides WoWcrack addicts)..

SOCOM:COnfrontation was a good MP game but failed technically, not surprising as it was SLANT6's first PS3 game.

[AKS]

I thought it was a decent game, and the sound was among the best I've ever heard (anyone wiht a high end home theater knows what I'm talking about), but the load times were terrible and it has to be among the least inviting games to new users. I remember people were cursing me out and saying I should be kicked because I shot a hostage the first time I played a new mode IN THE BETA! I say again, IN THE BETA! The game wasn't even finished and I'm expected to have full mastery of all the modes the first time I play it? Are you kidding me? There was no tutorial or explanation of anything, and I had never played that mode before. I was just trying the game out for the first time and obviously made a silly mistake. I had played other SOCOM games before and figured out what was going on pretty quickly after that, but I can't imagine someone completely new to the franchise would enjoy that type of interaction. Also, even the interface wasn't very user friendly. Confrontation always seemed to be designed as though there were already 3 or 4 SOCOM games on the PS3 (and thus you should be familiar with the layout already) when there obviously weren't.

[mindedone]

in respect to each companies' brands is a bold statement to say the least. Don't get me wrong; I love SOCOM. However, if SOCOM never existed on the PS3 the Playstation platform would go on. I'm not sure we could have said the same in regards to Microsoft's machine.

Really, what other game is so intertwined with the Xbox persona, the Xbox identity? And when you think of Playstation's identity, does SOCOM really come to mind? Does any one game?

Every company would like to have a Mascot; but I don't think Sony has found it in SOCOM.

[PSN-JeRzYzFyNeSt]

im sorry but Halo is only like that because that arent that many games on MS machine that would keep yu entertain for a long time.. now playstation has so many exclusive games that Socom wouldnt be missed but SOCOM was the first online shooter ever this is why the fans are so loyal and it has a strong following, If yu been plaayin SOCOM since it luanched yu would understand Why we say its as big as halo.. its fucking amazing... No offence but ppl that only played Socom 3 - Soocm confrontation wont have what us older players experience back in the dayy

[JAMurida]

@UnRivaLeD

I agree a lot with what your saying. It's really sad that a lot of gamers these days will never know the true SOCOM experience back then, and I find it really disappointing on how Confrontation gave such a bad impression to many of the new fans to SOCOM. Hopefully SOCOM 4 will show people what they missed out on back in the day.

[mindedone]

Regardless of the reason, to claim that SOCOM is as important to the Sony brand as Halo is the the Microsoft brand is shear STUPIDITY. I never mentioned anything about the quality of either game.

Frankly I don't think it's a good business model to rely on one game so heavily as Microsoft does with Halo. But of course the attach rate of Halo games vs the attach rate of SOCOM games means nothing to you guys in the case of THIS argument. The fact that this far into the cycle we've only had one SOCOM game and there are about to be THREE Halos and a blu ray disk mean NOTHING to this argument.

All you guys see is that I'm APPARENTLY attacking your game/system, and that's enough for you.

Edit: wow, I just ranted, didn't I.

[Sarevok]

When I think of the ps brand all I see is Krato's face.
That and dancing helghast.

[PSN-JeRzYzFyNeSt]

thats my pointt, and when yu think of MS its only Halo.. cuz they had nothing else soo it became huge and common to play that on xbox... but now they have a couple more known games.. but hopefully socom will become like that to the masses.. like it is to mehhh =))

[Biggest]

I don't want SOCOM to be for the masses. Modern Warfare and others are there for the normal noobtubing, grenade spamming Rambo types. There aren't many games like what SOCOM should be. I hope they can get back to that and stay there.

[mittwaffen]

Keep telling yourself it'll be good.

Cover system?
Move?
Their tossing way to much into this and its going to destroy that playing field that everyone loved about socom.

Lets hope they dont put it online; or the game is dead to me.

[foxxy]

Can't wait to own ds3 users with my move hahaha.

[spandexxking]

i love socom: confrontation minus the bugs/bullshi t (best bit though is doing crabwalks on people and the vips join in and say "make it funky!"), i just wish socom 4 didnt have the sticky cover system

[Sikct9a]

A cover system for S4? Lame!

[JAMurida]

SOCOM being on Halo's level? I would say SOCOM isn't as known has Halo is. But IMO, I'll play SOCOM over Halo ANY DAY. It's just like I said on the topic when SOCOM 4 was announced, SOCOM was the main, if not only, reason to have PSN back then during the PS2 online days. Those were the good days....the GOLDEN days of my gaming life. So many memories come from that franchise that I honestly wouldn't know where to start. Of the entire series I would say SOCOM 2 was the best of them all and probably the one that took up a lot of my life playing.

The PS3 has yet to really see a next gen SOCOM, (at least until SOCOM 4 was announced). SOCOM Confrontation, IMO, was a let down. I personally don't even know where to being trying to understand why Zipper would let their baby be handled by another group especially since they are the ones who know how to make SOCOM.....SOCOM. But to make a long story short, I'm personally overwhelmed about SOCOM 4 coming out. It's been 5-6 years since Zipper has made a SOCOM game for the PS console and what a wait it has been. So I have high expectations for this game and already have it fully reserved at Gamestop, yes people........ DAY ONE.

-Signed, SOCOM fan.

[NoOoB101]

I'm with mittwaffen. I don't like the fact they are implementing MOVE into Socom. Also a cover system =/
I play Socom Confrontation everyday. It was bad when it was first released but its gotten better. Not great but decent. No other game offers what Socom does. Zipper better get it right because /6 lost a lot of fans due to there ignorance and lack of support. As of right now Zipper is changing the formula and i don't think most of the hardcore fans are going to like it once they try it. I hope its good.

[mittwaffen]

the move is like a handicap; the gameplay has been slowwwed right now and isnt snappy quick gun fights anymore.

It isnt good for this type of game; atleast from all of the videos ive seen on youtube; its scary.