What would you like to have in Killzone 3?

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[mushroomwig]

Killzone 3 has to include singleplayer co-op mode for at least 2 people, with games like Gears 3 and Halo: Reach including the feature, there is no possible reason why Killzone 3 should not also have it.

[Blaster_Master]

Take out the weightiness in the controls, fix the cover system and include blind fire, add prone, more freakin weapons, 100% destructible environments, better online game search engine, party system for online, add vehicular combat online, use of bad ass mechs online. Want me to go on?

[Raf1k1]

Yeah a co-op campaign would be great. I don't think anyone would mind if it had lower quality visuals.

edit: @Blaster_Master, there's nothing wrong with it's weightiness. It's a big part of what sets Killzone 2 apart from other FPS games. The cover-system worked well though a few tweaks would be welcome and how would blind fire work in an FPS?
I got to '100% destructible environments' and that confirmed you're just being daft.

[yoghurt]

@mushroom wig I agree, a co-op campaign would be great but I think it's wrong to say 'no reason why not if gears, halo has it' - the technical level and graphical level of killzone 2 is a reason as it is of a much higher level than the others you mentioned, but yes, hopefully they can optimise for a co-op feature

@blaster master, the weightiness of the controls was great, it made it very realistic and in my opinion better than the likes of cod

Killzone 2 was a massive game, in respect of what it achieved in KZ first outing on the PS3, I have no doubt they will blow us away again with the next iteration

[PshycoNinja]

I had a problem with in the second game was the mid game loads. I mean its nice not to have any load screens but at the same time I HATE when the game would load in game and the game would freeze for a few seconds. Totaly took my out of the immersion when it did that.

Other than that Killzone 3 is a day one buy for me. I have platniumed the game and have 100% of the trophies for the game. You can say that I'm a fanboy for the game.

[Barbapapa]

needs a better story. also please kill rico....

[Nicholas Cage]

best shooter this gen.

[mal_tez92]

The weighty controls is what seperates Killzone 2 from every other FPS, it's what makes it the best FPS ever made.

The weighty feel of the movement, aiming and shooting make it in immersive experience that requires a lot of skill. I love it so much more than the arcadey style of CoD, which has like a 3 min learning curve and requires little skill.

[Rumor]

KNIFING instead of the god awful gun butting melee, bleedout feature, MORE weapons, all classes available, but one must play with them to lvl them up, less life(it takes like a whole clip to kill someone). and better immersion in the storyline,( i really didnt feel anything when Garza died, but it was a surprise to see what Radec did at the end...that was epic!)

my wishlist, im sold already otherwise ;)

[trounbyfire]

Blaster_Master@ you a clown so go back to the rock you crawled from under

1.Take out the weightiness in the controls(ITS KZ d bag)
2.fix the cover system(not broken)
3.include blind fire(it in KZ2 did you play it)
4.more freakin weapons(Ok but it war you pick up what the enemy has) 5.100% destructible environments(the KZ2 engine is built for that but no game has 100%)
6.better online game search engine(what do you want)
7.party system for online(it actually really great and even better if you are in a clan)
8.add vehicular combat online(the maps are to small for that)
9.use of bad ass mechs online(really go play that crap lost planet 2 then)

[Redrum059]

everyone above me has some good points. one thing i would like to add, better graphics. dont get me wrong, i love kz2 graphics but if they push it a little more, then that would show more of what the ps3 can offer, and of course it would be more badazz.

one thing i do want to take out though, in the single player campaign, there are these shadows in the corners of the screen that bother me a little. i find them unnecessary.

Edit: not the best quality but still superb graphics

[Redrum059]

big shout out to joe, a.k.a. guitarshredder, a.k.a. big sexy

[nix]

wow.. i think it only freezes for millisecond. wow.. you're hard to please!

@people complaining about heavy control: i think it's a great thing. but just because you can't turn in a flash and shoot back doesn't make it a bad thing. remember, he/she also can't turn back in a flash and shoot you. it goes both ways!

[Gamerbee]

the weightiness in the controls wouldn't be so bad if they increased the frame rate. So higher frame rate. Maybe a little tightness on the controls. Just a little tighter.

Bare in mind I've logged in 200 hours of KZ so I know what Im talking bout.

I'd say graphics engine is fine. Its already EPIC! Concentrate on gameplay & customisable weapons IMO.!!

Might play some KZ tonight actually. After Heavy Rain that is :)

[Lich120]

The only thing that bugged me about KZ2 was the voice acting. I would like to see some better work in that realm. Natko and Riko's voices drove me up a freaking wall.

[Blaster_Master]

You guys are freakin idiots. It isnt killzone without weighty controls? Really? I could have sworn Killzone 1 didnt' have that crappy control scheme. There should at least be an option to have instead of forcing it upon people. Im giving up on the franchise just like im giving up on you ps3 users actually buying games new. Has this game even sold over 2 million in the US? Thats right, no it didn't. You wanna know why? Cause the controls sucked dorks. Yall are retarded.

Also, I dont play COD, so there goes your logic right out the window. Im a MAG/Zipper fanboy, with a 1.70 KDR, who doesn't camp, and im about to switch to my 3rd faction after I get done moving my stuff to my new house. I played KZ2 to death as well, and Ive recieved trophies for being top ranked in the world for consecutive weeks in a row.

It just seems to me that you guys just like to be selfish, and dont care about what other people want. If Guerrilla doesn't fix that problem , its never gonna compete with COD in terms of sales. I find it so ironic that those that love this game and supposedly support it help bring the title to its demise in terms of success in sales against the competition. I bet it would sell at least a million more if they fixed that bullcrap laggy control scheme.

[PlainOldGamer]

What do I want? Well it has to do with the online. I want BOTS online to give EXP. Sure you may be saying B-B-B-But the BOOSTING! Well when Killzone 2 came out it had that feature, me and my friend played literally all day playing against them and having fun. It almost made up for the lack of Co-Op (Almost).

It's not like we aren't good gamers we just don't like getting angry because of the faults of online play. Well the next day what do you know..? They removed it because people where whining that people might be boosting. Well yo know what, that was extremely disappointing when they removed that. I mean as long as you're having fun who cares? Well apparently the people who care WAY to much about online play and leader boards. So do this Gorilla games and I'll be happy. :)

[BloodyNapkin]

Well for me

Singleplayer

Better story
More diverse maps "Like maybe jungle, instead of concrete and steel"
More diverse art direction
Co-Op
More destructible environments
More Weapon's with attachable upgrades.

Multiplayer

First off fix the d@mn people pushing you back to your spawn area
Bigger and more diverse maps
Maybe include some sort of vehicles
Few new classes
More weapons
More game types

[jjohan35]

I don't like the fact that I have to change control schemes between single player and online multiplayer. If you're going to include a cover mechanism, do it for both. If you want it removed, do it for both. Those who keep their control scheme the same for both single player and online multiplayer will have a disadvantage on one of them.

[2Spock]

God would people shut up with "Well it's better than COD controls". I could care less about the weighty feel while running or whatever. But lag when i am aiming and weightiness to that is very unrealistic in Killzone. BBC2 has weightiness to it but not when you are aiming and it feel's far more realistic than killzone 2 does.

[sikbeta]

KZ3:

·CO-OP
·More Weapons, R:FOM style
-[Laser Gun ]
-[Flamethrower FTW]
·I want to Blast Everything with The Mechas...YEAH!!!!

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[nycredude]

Blaster Master

Just because you a big dork doesn't mean everyone here is. Second maybe you should go play Killzone 1 again cause I have it here and it definitely has some weight to the controls, albeit not as much as Killzone 2. Also who the fvck cares if it sold 2000000 or more in the US? US is not the world. How many copies did BF:BC 2 sell on the Ps3 in the US? You don't like the controls don't buy! Go play COD 7, 8, 9 cause you will get those int he next year or so.

[Boody-Bandit]

All I need is a release date!
I will leave the game design to the pros (GG)!
Just bring that puppy out ASAP!

[Darrius Cole]

1. A party/lobby system - Not everyone is in a clan
2. A party/lobby system - Not everyone is in a clan
3. A party/lobby system - Most clans don't actually play often.
4. A party/lobby system - People who are not in clans pay for the game too.
5. A party/lobby system - Groups of 2 or 3 people should be able to look for games together and play together when they get there.
6. A party/lobby system - Player should be able get together to organize their game before they launch the game.
7. A party/lobby system - Its difficult to build networks because you can't easily identify the friends of your friends.

[Kleptic]

^yeah definitely...while KZ2 eventually ended up at least acceptable for playing with friends, it was still a nightmare compared to nearly every other online shooter worth anything...and when the game released, it was a DISASTER to play with friends...

Multiplayer wise...vehicles would be great if done properly...would give a reason for people to actually play as Assault, other than to simply annoy everyone...actually in this area almost anything would work from me, as long as its a lot more of the same...I had so much fun with killzone 2 online that it could be the exact same thing with new maps and i'd be happy...just fix the lobby, and I'm fine...

Single player wise...co op for sure...I don't care about split-screen, just online co op...2 players, 3, 4, 8, whatever...the single player of kz2 was excellent for the most part...great boss battles...absolutely epic objectives (leveling buildings, bring down cruisers, etc.)...I just hope they can do something with bringing back Visari, and especially Radec...who was one of the coolest villians in shooter history...

visually...haha they could make it take a step down in graphics and it would still toast nearly any other console game...its obvious that won't happen though...

and finally just get rid of Rico...nobody likes him, nobody ever did...he is unrealistically temperamental for a 'leader', and is absolutely terrible at the 'job' he is supposed to do for the ISA...It makes the entire single player story extremely cheesy in an 80s action movie kind of way...he would be a victim of mutiny in any realistic situation...hell i'd purposely drop him as often as possible just to get him to stop saying 'yeah, get some'...but realized then he would only cry for a revive like the chump that he is...just get rid of him, nobody will have anything negative to say about it...

[edgeofblade]

People are coming up with some great ideas, but there are some stubborn fanboys who think the number #1 complaint about KZ2 shouldn't be fixed. (EDIT: Nevermind.... some of you morons are head-in-the-sand mouthbreathers who are just a rabidly dedicated to Killzone as other people are dedicated to Halo. NO DIFFERENCE.)

If Guerrilla added a high-precision mode to the game... that means there was something to fix. And it helped, quite a bit.

But the heavy, forced-deliberate feeling in the controls was not desirable. In fact, it irritated lots of people right out of the game. I'm not sure how you fanboys got to rationalizing it, but if most people are complaining about... it needs to be changed.

And, for the record, I played quite a bit of KZ2 online. A lot of what they did online was purely inspired, but they balked on a few unfortunate points. Suffice it to say, they were SOOOOO close.

[Jamie Foxx]

No mid-game loading
More accuracy when firing(I could be aiming at someones head and it wouldn't detect)
Gun height higher (is sev a midget or something?)
Co-op,maybe even split screen also
Vechiles in multiplayer

[NoiseBringer]

Definitly higher framerate on 32 players servers (i saw dips even below 20fps somethimes), even tho i started to play multyplayer from beginning (with new account) an now when i have more exp its sooo much fun that im hooked again :)

[Kleptic]

^^I have well over 100 hours in the multiplayer and never once noticed any real problem with framerate...with 32 players at blood gracht on search and destroy (HGH side) there would be literally 16 assault lining up firing rockets at the objective...I could stand back and watch non stop explosions and players flying everywhere without any noticeable hit...

when I did notice fps problems, it would be just before or during a server drop...which happened a lot soon after the games released...not saying it didn't happen for you...just saying i stuck almost exclusively to 32 player games, and never noticed anything other than occasionally a frame or two...which overall was the most impressive thing I saw in kz2 visually...that much stuff going on with that many players and it was still running perfectly...

[robser73]

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We can create a HUGE and AWESOME FPS !!

[Max Power]

http://forums.n4g.com/KIllZ...

[Blaster_Master]

Yeah like they would listen to us. Also, the weightiness is not realistic. Ive fired many guns in my life, there is nothing realistic about the laggy weighty feeling. Not even close. You noobs are exactly whats wrong with this industry.

[Sarevok]

It's more then just the gun you know...Ammo,Body Armor.
And if your playing as a helghast Ammo,body Armor,Gas mask thingie.

[arakouftaian]

Most of the guns are big a heavy plus your armor and the most important the
Helgans Planet were everything fells more heavy.

You can play with th SMG and you will fell that the gun is not that heavy
but othr guns are
is the way you play the fps games that make kz2 look had and lagy for you
and others but the controls are fine just diferent but a noob playe like you
will not understand this.

[mal_tez92]

If you're able to go from from sprinting forwards at full speed to running backwards in a split second then I'll belive you. The movement in Killzone 2 is much more realistic than in CoD.

The aiming and shooting is too. In cod you can aim while shooting, but in killzone you have to aim each shot more carefully. In cod, you can swing your gun around at full speed, then change directions in an instant, in Killzone the gun actually weighs something, and momentum is taken into account.

Killzone is a game for hardcore FPS players, those who hate the controls are mainly the noobs who play cod and think they have skill.
Cod took me 3 mins to learn and another 10 mins to master; killzone actually requires practice and is a much more enjoyable and rewarding experience.

[remanutd55]

since i did my high school on a military school and i have shot M1( lol pretty old uh? ) , M16 , M203 , M60 with all my armor on i have to agree with saverok and arakouftaian here , you can feel a considerable amount of weight , seems to me that you have never been on a situation like that before

[Biggest]

I'll take that one step further. I know exactly how just about every weapon currently used in military combat feels. Killzone 2 tried harder than any other game to capture that. It did a very good job given its constraints of being a video game.

[-Alpha]

I like how it feels. It feels heavy, it feels gritty, and it feels responsive once they patched it.

I do think that at first it was horribly contrived. CQC was near impossible and you'd miss at the stupidest things. It just wasn't realistic in that sense and it had little to do with skill. Aiming was just touchy. But then they did a patch which made micro-movements much more responsive while retaining the heavy feel which worked great.

[RumbleFish]

I had no problem with the weighty movement of the character, but when it comes to aiming, KZ2 was a mess! And you are absolutely right when aiming and firing a real gun in real life, there's nothing like this laggy, sluggish feeling.
The broken aiming was the main reason for me to sell the game.
But I think my opinion doesn't count here, cause I prefer shooters with bigger maps and less chaos (four spawn grenades in the middle of the room with the tactical objectives).
And now to respond to the oncoming comments: no! I do not play CoD!
As the fans of Killzone obviously liked the game, leave anything the way it was.

EDIT: I only played it after they've first patched the broken aiming which they preferred to call a design decision. I wish I'd played it after the second and third patch.

[Lich120]

@Rumble

I completely agree with you. I had put the game down until they patched it the first time and then enjoyed it much more. I didnt know they had patched it more since.

It wasn't weightiness. It was lag. Weightiness would be attributed to acceleration (it takes time to build momentum) which is fine. Before the first patch there was 127ms of input lag. Thats not how guns feel in real life. My mind doesn't wait to start moving my hands, if what I'm holding is heavy it'll take longer but will start immediately.

Either way, Ill be picking up the third since it was overall an enjoyable experience.

[BlackKnight]

I'm sorry but this is like a classic "It's not a bug, it's a feature!". There is NO WEIGHT for the guns. None. I can't believe how wide spread this is. Some fanboy or group of fanboys start spreading this "fact" of weight yet their own theory doesn't hold up. Why is it when I pull out the m4 revolver does it have the same "weight" as the light machine gun? Read on, including the articles. Don't take the fanboy way out and click disagree and run, sure it's N4G, but step up and stop being idiots.

No one likes to admit it, but it's actually the graphics engine having too many post-processing effects and differed lighting (on average 200 lights per scene) stacked on the CPU and GPU. Ignorant fanboys usually don't know what they are talking about and don't understand that not all graphical effects hurt framerate. Some effects increase FRAME TIME. Sure, you still get 25-30 FPS, with post-processing effects especially, but you then get frame time lag that gets to the point that the player notices. This is why you get "weight lag" even on the damn pause menu.

Go ahead guys, put in killzone 2 and pause the game. Use the dpad and watch the lag. You can tap the dpad and you will clearly notice the menu moving long after you hear the sound of you tapping the dpad.

It's not controller lag or a polling issue like some thought either. It's the same issue in GTA4, another game that uses differed lighting and a HUGE amount of dynamic lights. At night, each lamp post lights up, store fronts, EACH car has over 5 lights (cabin light, each headlight, turn signal lamps, brake lights). You walk up to the back of a car and you see the red brake light cast on your character.

But back to the point, I am not dogging on PS3. I am dogging on FANBOYS who make up crap and actually get lucky and get a lie passed around as if it's fact.

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Killzone 2 has controller lag that's 50-80% slower (150-183ms instead of 100ms) to respond than other 30 FPS games that have nearly no render lag (read the articles, all 3 pages each, to understand that 30FPS games have a potential lag base of 100ms not even due to render time and 67ms for 60FPS games. Also, notice Killzone 2 is not the only overly laggy game)

Killzone 2 feels out of place because FPS games are usually designed to keep the render time in check so you don't develop lag so high that the player can notice or affect gameplay. Well it's so noticeable that fanboys pass it off as a "weight" feature when in reality they are developing a "skill" of working around a laggy game engine. COD is snappy BECAUSE they used this very technique in the article (in fact the article TALKED to a dev at Infinity Ward and that's how they learned this technique!):

"We commissioned Ben to make us the light board after a programmer saw me spending a lot of time filming myself pressing buttons in front of a CRT to test input latency," says Infinity Ward's Drew McCoy. "He, being a programmer, was obviously frustrated that such an imprecise method was used to test something that he and the rest of the engineers here at Infinity Ward spend a great deal of time and energy on - reducing input latency."

COD is responsive because the engine was tuned to run at 60FPS and have as little render lag time as possible. Killzone 2 went the other route and went to 30FPS and cranked the visuals so high that the render time was quite noticeable to the naked eye/hand. Should some people be annoyed at the lag? Of course, it's one reason I don't like killzone 2. I have shot plenty of guns, aiming a gun is snappy as hell, pistol or rifle. It's also why I can't stand GTA4's laggy response (133-200ms!!!). It's worse than Killzone 2! Does it make them bad games? No. But are these cons and not a pro? (IE "weight by design") Hell yes and it's annoying except to those diluted into thinking this is a "feature". Even the trigger to fire has lag. a trigger is less than an ounce and is pulled by your finger. It's super quick in real-life! I think I have written more than enough.

Disagree all you want, just will show facts are impervious to fanboys.

[Lich120]

Apparently it was higher than what my tests showed. Thanks for the link blackknight, very informative.

[edgeofblade]

Master_Blaster, you have my appreciation for hitting at the root cause here: people who think video games are/should be realistic.

[BlackKnight]

@Lich120

Thanks for reading it. It's good to know some people form opinion of games/consoles based on facts and research. Not this fanboy phenomenon. Yes I know it happens in other subjects, PC/Mac, Dem/Repub, AMD/Intel, ATi/Nvidia, etc. Still annoying though.

[Obama]

yeah a coop would be great.

[The Time Reaper]

Splitscreen campaign coop.

No more unbalanced classes online (IE.. placing spawn points practically ON the objective)

[-Alpha]

Oh I agree man. Balance issues and the Tactician would totally ruin a game. Every game resulted in a moron placing a spawn at a stupid location leading in really chaotic fragfests. Spawn system was horrible IMO but it was because players sucked.

And the assault class was noobtastic. I didn't even get penalized for suicides as I'd blow up enough people to get +points.

Saboteur was too easy to spot and wasn't very sneaky as it only was used to get a 2 second upper hand on enemies. Engineer was fun though the early shotgun exploit led to Engi Domination.

The sniper was fun though.

Anyways, the game was great but there is a lot of room for improvement.

They can't do split screen though I'd love them if they do. I think they said something about the PS3 not being strong enough because K2 was too strong already lol.

[BXbomber]

all i want fixed is the aiming and the shots to be more accurate thats all...and no lag when aiming either.

[TheAwesomessMan]

For me, well just wow me with graphics as killzone 2 did.

IMO, I'd still play it with/out co-op but a co-op does help so yea add that.

Also, for co-op, instead of having to start a new game like say I'm on the second mission and a friend wants to play co-op I want to be able to allow him to take over the current partner I have with me in the game and NOT start me with a new game just continue on from where I/we left off.

Umm, I guess make the current player a little more I want to look at other players not look up to them.

Um yeah pretty much that. (I haven't played killzone 2 in a while)

Also, yeah do something with the mid loading screens.

[IHateYouFanboys]

1. remove the ~200ms of INPUT LAG. there is no excuse for that amount of lag to be in a standard controller using game.

2. remove the 'dead spots' in the analogue stick movement.

3. remove the momentum based turning/aiming. keep it slower than MW2/quake etc, but remove the momentum - when aiming a real gun you dont have to pick up momentum to turn around, nor do you over-shoot the mark when trying to stop.

4. adjust the POV to be a realistic height.

5. co-op campaign goes without saying, but ill say it anyway.

6. fix the client-side hit detection to not kill you if your shots shouldve killed the other player before his shots wouldve killed you.

7. hire some decent writers for the campaign.

8. make the game LONGER. 6 hours for the campaign was not worth 5 years of development.

9. improve the texture resolution.

10. make the cover system 'stick to cover' instead of 'hold to stay in cover'. just having to hold down the 1 extra button makes it a pain in the bum.

[mal_tez92]

I loved the weighty feel, it makes games like CoD no fun at all to me anymore.

But your other points are awesome.

[BlackKnight]

@OP. 1 and 3 are the same issue. The lag makes you think there is momentum. There isn't, it's just the lag.

[IHateYouFanboys]

no, there is still momentum. your turning speed isnt constant, it starts off slow then builds up, then slows down when you stop. thats momentum.

i do realise that the input lag makes this seem even worse, but the momentum is still clearly present.

[tripewire]

Id personally hope they ignore everything you said.

People who want it to play like COD should just play COD instead and leave us to enjoy Kizzy in peace.

[IHateYouFanboys]

i dont want it to play like COD, i want it to play like a good game should - without input lag, with features that every other game worth their price has, and without bugs.

nothing i suggested changes what Killzone is, it would simply make it better. saying that input lag is what makes killzone 'different' is like saying not being able to maintain a steady framerate makes a game 'different' and should be commended for doing it - its stupid.

[arakouftaian]

Know I want KILLZONE 3 to have everything diferent
but keep the core controls and few things in it
and surpric me with new things.

[twintipskis34]

spartan laser, banshees, and spartans would be a nice add

[BYE]

Sounds too childish for a Killzone game.

[Anon7349]

~Incorporate the "Move" properly.

~Weapons, Lots of them. More awesome ones like the boltgun too.

~More Character Customization with classes

~New Classes

~Weapon customization

~Increase the height of the view point

~More scenes like the "mech scene"

~More boss fights, maybe even at a bigger scale

~Co-op, Possibly Split-Screen

~Less linear paths and corridors... more options when it comes to combat

~Improve the online system (Parties, Clans, Squads, ect)

~Small adjustments to the already good cover system.

~Makes the controls more like they were during the KZ2 beta, maybe a little more like BFBC2's...

[trounbyfire]

"Makes the controls more like they were during the KZ2 beta, maybe a little more like BFBC2's... "

then go play BC2 then if it gives you such a problem then play another game. You are the first to say BC2 while most say COD. it KZ it different deal with it or STFU.

[2Spock]

Well BBC2 controls are far more realistic than Killzone 2. Sorry in real life i do not have lag when aiming my gun nor do i have a deadzone before i starting moving when i aim. BBC2 controls have the realistic weighty feel but also the realistic aiming control, where killzone does not have the latter.

Wow i didn't know people start to cry over someone voicing a opinion. Might want to step away for a bit and go jogging then comeback. And i don't recall anybody saying it should be like COD. It is just everybody that defends it brings COD into the conversation. Example "The controls are fine, this is not COD." But you want to prove a point then post some links of where people said Killzone 2 controls should be COD's.

[Dacapn]

As for the controls, I can definitely see both sides but in the end it really comes down to the fact that people more used to unrealistic shooting mechanics. With COD, hipfire is very inaccurate, so you are pretty much looking down your scope at all ranges with most weapons. KZ2 is almost flip flopped. From close to medium range, shooting from the hip is the primary way to fire. It only really at long range that you zoom and look down the scope. Most people who failed at KZ2 simply could't wrap their heap around this.

The main thing that really held the game back from being the best fps thus far is that most of the maps didn't match up right with the gameplay mechanics. Most of the maps were too small and didn't have enough variety within them to support the game's playstyle. The newer maps were a step in the right direction as far as map design goes.

[trounbyfire]

a thing that game is great. the controls are great an dif you don't like them then don't play it. yeah it that simple. people keep complaining about the controls well wads there a gun to your head to make you keep playing. I DIDN'T THINK SO, SO STFU about the the controls.

co-op would be nice and if it was a bit longer also. online needs spawn shields and some online game types that allow you to use cover like 10 on 10 in addition to the regular no cover matches

[TooTall19]

Why would someone buy the same game as killzone 2. Change his how the genre can evolve. I've played Killzone 2 online since midnight the day it came out and saying that it's flawless is not a good idea. You lose all credibility with me. They can refine the controls and gameplay. If they want this to be realistic, then firing from the hip is way too accurate. The health bars were perfect. Perhaps a bigger beta this summer so more glitches will be exposed before it's released. Make all primary badges defensive and secondary badges offensive (can kill). They need to fix how we spawn, but I'm open for suggestions on that one.

[trounbyfire]

here we go again the single player of KZ2 is a tiny tiny tiny slice from the KZ universe. people want a character based story about a guy that sick of war(GEARS 3 based on the trailer he look like if the locus killed him we would not have cared )cause we don't get those all the time.

Or maybe he is trying to get back to his wife and baby girl
maybe he just wants to kick but and then realizes that war is bad and so he wants to stop wars from happening

I love the fact that i don't have to listen to some retarded BS stroy about some guy when KZ is about war. Its not about sev or rico its about war. at he end of KZ2 when sev sits on the steps like (Fing great we are F'ed) that what war should be not(I have to fight to get back to my family crap that we have seen over and over.

[Redrum059]

WTF?...

[trounbyfire]

don't you get KZ in not about a person in war with a sad story to tell

[Monk3y]

fits killzone like milk in a coffee

[BloodyNapkin]

Milk in Coffee? Yeck, plus that makes the coffee cold.

[ottoman_239]

MORE GUNS!!!

[Biggest]

I agree. More weapon types for the classes. And add a little weapon interchangeability. I didn't like the fact that the basic soldier was the only one able to use most of the weapons.

[Colonel-Killzone]

Co-op more ranks and classes simple as that. DO NOT GET RID OF THE CONTROLS. I'm tired of the call of duty trolls expecting killzone 2 to play like call of duty lol.

[KillaSeason]

1. More weapons
2. Customization with characters and Weps
3. More boss battles (like radaec at the end)
4. Co-op
5. A better cover system
6. Survival with co-op or single player.

[Inside_out]

The controls are terrible...MW2 sold 4x the amount of games as KZ2...that's 2 million for KZ and 8 million for MW2, give or take 500,000...lol...The controls the biggest complaint...PERIOD...made worst by the terrible PS3 controller...everybody knows that, FIX IT...

Enemies are pathetic in KZ2...look to Gears of war for ideas...Any decent game has a distinctive hierarchy of villains, like Gears of War....also upgrade the physics engine...like in Gears of war...so something else other than your helmet falls off...like Gears of war...head shot, brain matter splatters everywhere, chainsaw a guy, blood and fleshy bits everywhere...Also, add some close combat techniques, like in Gears ( punches you in ur mouth ) of War...You know, neck snapping, skull crushing fun.... this will be difficult with the crappy cell processor, but at least try....

The cover system is broken...throw it out and look to Brink/mirrors edge for a proper FPS cover system and overall game play mechanic...

Weapons...look to Gears of war for inspiration...The lancer with chainsaw is the baddest gun in the land...of course chainsawing an enemy is hard to do if they don't come after you so the AI will need alot of work...look to Gears ( kicks your a$$ )of war for inspiration...

Finally, no excuses this time...cost me $600 for my " Fat Elvis " console...bought it just to play KZ2 because K1 was really good...NOT happy...where's all the 1080p, 60 fps, 100 smart AI, 50+ hr blue-ray games????....still waiting....Better be some in game footage of KZ3 at E3....the ONLY reason I still have this thing....

[Biggest]

Almost there guys! Let's relieve cez of his remaining bubbles so that he can find something new to do with his life. Or make another account.

[Colonel-Killzone]

I think the aiming in the game is fine honestly maybe some of you guys just cannot aim properly can even go on there website and check my stats ^_^. I understand what some of you mean, but once you get the hang of it you will be fine.

[asgharagha]

longer single player experience with at least one long underground level which deffered lighting really can show itself in that and it would be the most stunning and beautiful underground level in the whole games history. i really love some dark corridors of killzone 2

[Kingdom Come]

Wow, what a writer.

[Knightofelemia]

All I want it online campaign co-op for Killzone 3

[alphakennybody]

a split-screen vs is all i want, multi-class/path campaign (like in the first one) and i'm a happy costumer ( i want to show-off my friends this beast and my skills :P).Other than that everything is perfect.

[Dark_Helmet]

On-line CO-OP, otherwise I think Killzone 2 was perfect

[nnotdead]

longer single player campaign, co-op, more weapons, and get rid of or balance the assault class.

[fOrlOnhOpe57]

but a few things I would like -

*1 Jungle map (would love to see GG create a green environment )

*2 Co op play (online as offline splitscreen appears to be a graphical 'problem')

*3 Battlefield editor similar to that in Kz 1 (but I do love some skirmish)

*4 Removal of the SP gamesave protection found in Kz2

*5 More vehicle use in SP (but definitely NOT in MP) I want to pilot a Lander

*6 NO changes to the 'feel' of the weapons/aiming

*7 Much better dialogue (get rid of all the f**kig swearing)

[Paballo]

I don't believe sony will show killzone3 at e3 but here's a list of how to improve on a good game.1.)improved squad mates A.I(they die every 30secs and the main characters have 2 be babysitted!damn rico.2.)more vechicle gameplay!2 sections of vechicle gameplay in the whole game is not enough.we want to be in air as well as vechiles on sea and please add variety.3.)less linear enviroments and more open gameplay.4.)offline bot skirmishes that go up to 32players are you lisening GG?5.)co op mode.a campain that's longer than 10hours.15hours in the least will be acceptable.6.)create a character tools so we can use them in multiplayer instead of generic models(give us lee way customisation options in character classes.7.)perks please.dnt want K3 to be like MW at all bt perks that add to the theme and nature of killzone3 will be great.8.)Tools to create our own multiplayer maps like Far cry2 and timesplitters series.9.)web2.0 features like halo3 to share our greatest multiplayer moments with the Killzone community.10.)ability for us to customise our weapons to a degree like MGS4 and MW2.11.)better controls and I am sure you guys will add playstation move functionality.(Hw about using the ps EYE to create faces like rainbow six vegas and fight night for create a character)12.) more varied gameplay(look how fear2 suffered).13.) a horde mode like gears and halo with co op support and online.14.)vechicles in multiplayer!.15.)a single player mode where we play as helgast and see the story from there perspective.16.)challenges like timesplitters series.17.)include out of the box in the game all maps from killzone1+2.u have dual layered blue rays don't you?18.)technically K2 was and still is amazing but when it comes to fire effects far cry and alone in the dark are way ahead and the zapper has a lot to be desired too.19.)more varied enviroments and dual weilding weapons maybe20.)I am many gamers did not like the fact the we had to unlock common weapons like the shotgun,submachine gun,sniper rifle and other weapons in the multiplayer so hopefully that will change21.)Introduction of squad control system in Killzone2 would be awesome as it does not make sense that you are a sergent but can't order your lower racked soilders or mates.22.)Less swearing in the game it was just over done to a whole nother level with Rico foul mouth and made me think that there was a lack in creative script writing for some characters.There's nothing wrong with swearing and it can add to a game but when you hear F bombs every 15secs it does get annoying.23.)Increased detail in story and narration of the game.Not asking for more cut scense just a deeper explaination of the game and even small details like imagine walking in a trench to than see a Helgast newspaper fly in your face with the Headlines saying WE ARE AT WAR!!!OR THE ENEMY IS IN OUR HOME!!!,you know small touches like that24.)ability for us to create user created content with cinematic tools.hw awesome would it be to create levels like timesplitters or littlebigplanet.game2.O is upon us so take advantage of that GG.that would make a great game!!!!!!

[Colonel-Killzone]

You are just asking for way to much now lol.

[asgharagha]

1-better graphics
2-better graphics
3-better garphics
i believe they can do it. killzone 2 has perfect graphics kz3 will be above imagination
the underground levels in killzone 2 was the best part i wish they make a long and very detailed underground level

[johnsonbat]

Nudity. Maybe with a special secret level called Muffzone.

[Paballo]

26.)More Innovation;how cool would it be that instead of always respawn on land in the Multiplayer,that we could be dropped into the Warzone via the ISA lander or the Helgast rope down via there Helgast cruiser in Multiplayer!Maybe it may even be piloted by a player!That would be immersive27.)Improve Enemy A.I.One thing GG did better than any Dev out there is the A.I in the game is the best in the Industry thus far and being outwitted,outflaked and outsmarted by the helgast in the the last 2 difficulty levels is poetry to my ears and what makes me still play the Single Player to this day.Just for the A.I .GG if you put all of these that I asked Killzone3 would be THE GAME OF THE DECADE!!!!!

[CARRIERHASARRIVED]

The AI (while amazing in most situations) was a little too easy to confuse when you got close to them. For example, you can bait most them them into lowering their weapons and backing off and shooting them. This works especially well against the knifing Helghast that carry SMG's. You can make them stand there and swap to the knife until you feel like killing them. Just don't stop moving backwards, lol...

[Dan GamingBolt]

Co-op side missions could be cool, i like the single player the way it is except the voice acting.

Split Screen like in Killzone 1, and...that's about it.

[CARRIERHASARRIVED]

I want to see the human side of the Helghast, I'd like to feel bad for them but the game presents them as if they were all manufactured from the same assembly line. More close quarters combat with the ability to pick up most objects to use as weapons. The pretty graphics and weighty controls are perfect for it.

Hmmm. People want so much out of the multiplayer, and I guess it's to be expected. Co-op will almost always be a tacked-on feature, and with co-op comes less epic and scripted events. Which is sort of a double edged sword.

I think instead of co-op, they should adopt the Goldeneye model and allow different difficulty playthroughs with target times/objectives that reward you with unlockables for online. KZ2 was the best single player FPS I've played in a very long time, I think tacking on co-op would do more damage than good.

And most of all, I really, really, reallllly want them to bring the locales of the original back. Add in some Heavy Rain flavor and have interactive cut scenes in first-person. When your character dons their helmet and gear, they can show the corners of the screen darkening a bit, and the controls taking on that weight we all know and love but (some) can't admit because it makes playing CoD and KZ2 at the same time too hard.

[tripewire]

"Radec Executed 3 of his own men this morning"
"What for? Insubordination? Desertion?"
"Uniform Violations. I sh!t you not"

Im paraphrasing Of course, but I lol'd when I heard it. Then I gutted them like rats...

[CARRIERHASARRIVED]

^Yessssss! More of that!

[tripewire]

Co-op. Maybe sructure it like Uncharted 2's seperate co-op missions.

And I want a Helghast Campaign. I want to see it from their side.

[Twyll]

Dinosaurs please!

[Dylantalon1]

most of you people whining about killzone 2 just needs to play other games. not every game should have everything even a bicycle to please everyone. i'm a big fan of killzone 2 and i loved everything about it because everything worked well and was polished. most of the other games you guys like and want killzone 3 to be like are riddled with problems. all i want guerrilla games to do in killzone 3 is polish everything and make it look better than killzone 2 and i'll be happy . if you arent a fan of killzone 2 then you should play something else. if guerrilla wants to add co op, i would love for it to be seperate from the main campaign.

[gijsbrecht]

I agree. Let Killzone be Killzone and not a carbon copy of some other popular game. It's freaking annoying how some people just want the same thing incorporated over and over again. The FPS genre is already crowded as it is. Just be glad that at least there is something to choose when it concerns the controls, for instance.

[asgharagha]

kz series has one goal and thats showing ps3 power with outstanding visuals.i dont expect 60frames or very comlicated story i just expect best visuals ever on consoles

[southernbanana]

Best visuals? I hope you are joking because when I bought Killzone 2 for my PS3 it ended up being a big disappointment (both visually and gameplay wise)I shouldn't have listened to fanboys who only own one console. Killzone 2 was nowhere near the quality of Gears of war 2, but for some reason people were comparing them.....

[rmw2hot]

I would love to see character and weapon customization in killzone 3 multiplayer

[southernbanana]

They could start by making a game that doesn't suck. I will admit I only played Killzone 2 for about 4 hours though.....

[noob789]

All I want is interesting characters and some new weapons. Other than that it's all good.

[unworthyBOZO]

Just don't change the controls to much because that's what make KZ2 awesome.

[gijsbrecht]

Co-op would indeed be a nice addition, but I'm not going to tell any developer what should be in a game or not. It should be their vision and it's up to the gamers if they share this vision. I for one simply loved what they have done with Killzone 2. I just hope they can give me the same experience with KZ3. Let them surprise me.

[AshleyRiot]

Limit the amount of players on smaller maps. Add more guns and gadgets. Keep the class system but eliminate boost. Make spawn areas more heavily fortified to cut down spawn campers. Add more game modes. Do not mess with the way the weapons handle. Add a co-op mode and/or let us play through the main game as either ISA or Helghast to experience both sides of the war.

[Biggest]

I think that instead of eliminating boost, they should make a counter that is easy to use but specific to one class. Maybe add a boost seeking rocket to the turrets or something. Or mines that activate when a booster run near.

[tha_meat_beater]

seriously though, my main complaint? the ISA! the character designs suck! they look whimpy, but the helghast are bad@ss! colonel radic was a bad@ss villan, sucks he died. unlike some of you i loved rico. he kept me laughing through the single player campaign. "die you higg muthaf@#&$"! higgs lol.

[Tomkar]

keep it all. and add more weapons, cusotmizable weapons and offline/online co-op!

add this and we have A PARFECT GAME!

[Chubear]

When it comes to online I think it would be best to tone down the weight sim to maybe BFBC levels to facilitate online gameplay for a broader population but DEFINITELY DO NOT TOUCH THE WEIGHT CONTROLS IN THE SINGLE PLAYER CAMPAIGN OR I WILL STALK YOU GG; I WILL STALK YOU ALL >.<

Let's battle back on Vectar similar planet (I think KZ3 will start on Helgan and 1/4 of the way through, move over to Vekta) and - CO-OP!!! I understand this may mean KZ3 not visually presenting a jump in graphics like we've seen in UC1 going to UC2 but with just a bit of polish around the edges and I'd be fine with that.

Just like with Motorstorm 1 to 2 the jump wasn't as huge as other PS3 exclusives but they managed to lay foundations for more technical stuff so Motorstorm 3 can now present that huge leap we've come to see with PS3 exclusives sequels. KZ4 in yr 6/7 will burn faces :P

Just give me KILLZONE not another generic FPS clone #19872973 which Insomniac seemed to be heading with R2.

[BLADE_X8]

I love the difibulater used in BC2 (I love being the medic)...much better than that laser life reviver thing in K2 (It looks cheesy)

People cried about the K2 controls, so I guess it could change. (It didn't matter much to me though)

I never knew what the score was in K2. Need a voice to tell us this (Like in Halo and call of Duty)

A few more weapons (Cod has a lot of great guns)

A deeper campaign

More colors

Variety of enemies

[Fulensenca]

Noobs. ( IMHO )

Coop in story mode would be awesome :D

[asgharagha]

southernbanana i have both consoles too ..gears two is not even close to kz2 graphics ...not only gears 2 nothing on xbox come cloze to it look deeper

[Dylantalon1]

i can't believe people would think gears of war 2 looks better than killzone 2. you have to be a xbox 360 fanboy or a flipping idiot. gears of war 2 looks like rubbish compared to the quality of killzone 2. i guess majority of people are wrong in saying that killzone 2 is the most beautiful fps game on a console.

anyway, killzone 3 needs to do exactly what was done in killzone 2 and maybe co op. why would developers alienate the true fans of the killzone series so they can attract new comers who werent fan of the killzone 2 controls and feel. the devs might as well add chocobos, katanas, and horses to killzone so they can attract all sorts. people need to stop with their whining and just place what appeal to their play style. i'll be happy with whatever the devs do as long as the controls are similar or close to killzone 2. i cant wait to see killzone 3 because it will look amazing and most like be the best looking game for a while when released.

[MyWordIsGospel]

Well considering the game was almost damn near perfect there is not really anything I want to change but just add to, more assault rifles online, another race or faction for single player and online, few more new characters for single player.

And as a little easter egg why not create a character that resembles and looks like Master Chief, looking all dated in a low res texture on a level grossly coloured level where you have to capture him, then force him to witness a superior world in graphics and physics so much so that he blows his own brains out at the shame & hype of his own existence!

[Colonel-Killzone]

@cez of rage

From your whole post you never played or even touch killzone 2 a day in your life stop lying. Seriously they say things you wanna see fixed and you bring in call of duty sales ? Dumbest post i have seen in recent memory. Gears of war is a TPS killzone 2 is a FPS if call of duty controls is so damn great go play call of duty. What does call of duty sales have to do with killzone 2 improvement lol

[twintipskis34]

def need spartans in this game..., KZ characters are pusses. :p

[prettyboy1]

MOTHA F$$KIN SOILDGERS RUNNIN AROUND WITH SUPER SUITS IS SO MORE BAS ASS (S)

[eckounltd88]

i would like to have the release date :P

[CobraKai]

An intelligent, likable, cool looking, main character that isn't generic. Oh and turn Rico into a traitor so you can kill him yourself.

[tiamat5]

Longer vehicle levels and more vehicles to drive. Also a few more modes to play. Maybe a team effort against someone in a mech armed to the teeth. I would be awesome to see if teamwork or brute force would win. Besides that, I'm good.

[spektical]

i loved how the gamemodes changed when a game mode was one. The smart players, who knew they lost the game point, are already setting up for the next game point.

I dont know how vehicles would work in KZ2. Maybe a small humvee type vehicle and small transportation vehicles would work.

This of course if the maps stay as small as they are. If the maps get bigger, then maybe we can see a bigger array of vehicles, but i doubt that will happen.

I know that vehicles would have broken the game in Kz2 though.

[Ripyealip]

-better graphics so we can rub it in 360 fanboys faces
-Destructible environments
-better online aka more than 12 ranks like 50 ranks :)
-a sick story like always
-in game custom music
-more weapons
-coop online/story

[ELite_Ghost]

helghast campaign!!
New ennemies if possible, monsters or something, vehicules

[spektical]

Some sort of Co-op offline would be welcomed. Maybe take the Inosmniac route and have a single player campaign and a different coop campaign.

Also more variety in guns, please. I felt really limited online with the ISA Assualt rifle, and Scout Rifle and SMG.

and please no more characters that spew foul language left to right. Kill Rico please.

[Raevyna]

The campaign mode is pretty short.

I would love to be able to slash people with the knife while online, rather than using the butt of the gun for a melee attack.

For online play, it would be awesome if there was a choice between a male and female soldier. Girls play, too, you know! It would be very satisfying to know guys are watching a chick walk over them while they're lying on the ground bleeding out. ;)

Oh, and an online co-op option would kick serious a&&, because my hubby and I both love the game, but there's no way we can go buy another PS3, so we have to take turns... would be nice if there were a way for us to play together.

[Thoreau]

they need to take rockets out of the multiplayer and add the cover system.