Insomniac Details the Confusing Way to Upgrade Marvel's Spider-Man to PS5 via Tweet

Insomniac tweeted: "So you can get the PS4 edition of the game, upgrade to PS5 for free (if you get disc version, you must have a disc-drive PS5 tho!). Then from inside the game on PS5, you can upgrade to the Ultimate Edition (aka, download MSMR for $20)"

[Christopher]

I really hope they scrap this and learn from it on their other games. It's not anti-consumer as you are getting exactly what you pay for, no one is taking it away. But it's just so clumsily managed and not friendly that it's going to confuse people and ruin expectations.

A less confusing way to do this is to wait for an extremely deep sale on Miles Morales UE to get both at $30.

[morganfell]

I do not find it confusing. If you own Spidey on the PS4 and you buy a PS5 you get the PS5 Peter Parker Spidey upgrade for free. If you want, there is a menu option in the PS5 version, that you just got for free, that allows you to purchase PS5 Miles Morales for 20 bucks. So if you own the PS4 version of SpiderMan you get the next gen version and Miles Morales next gen for $20.

[Christopher]

The fact that this tweet directly has to correct what someone thought on how it worked shows it's confusing. Great you understand it, but many consumers won't. Let alone many won't even know they could just go into their existing Spider-Man to get the upgrade that way and instead will spend $40 on SM:MM and not get the SM upgrade and will then have to pay even more for it.

It's an unnecessary complication.

[morganfell]

The real confusion in all of this has come from the press. It has been unmitigated in the past day. I just saw a remark on these forums, a failed story, and someone that I normally respect wrote, "that's what people on forums and twitter have been saying" implying that people, with no real connection to the game, who did not bother to get the facts are simply sounding off so now that is suddenly gospel.

Respectfully I will say it is necessary. In order to maintain the chain of purchase for an actual version, disc or digital, this had to be done. They are taking a hit giving away Miles Morales for $20. That is a loss no doubt so some of that is financially equalized by a customer having bought either the PS4 version of Spider-Man or the PS5 MM edition.

EDIT: If you are saying this is a matter of advertising then that is another issue altogether. That isn't confusion per se. It s also a far cry from the blasting that has been unjustly handed out by the press.

[Christopher]

Press sucks. I'm not going to disagree there. But, Sony, on this specific item, should have gone a much more friendly and open route.

For something most gamers aren't likely to even play on PS5 because they're looking for new games and not looking to play older ones, I think they could have taken the hit here and just made free upgrades for those that own the game (and DLC if owned). And entice people to complete both by having new suits tied to the completion of the game and each DLC.

The game sold 9m+ on PS4. They're not hurting for money and they want to encourage people to move to the new hardware (a hefty investment alone), not make them feel like Sony is trying to get more money out of them for a single game.

[LOGICWINS]

"So if you own the PS4 version of SpiderMan you get the next gen version and Miles Morales next gen for $20."

Thanks for clarifying!

[RaveTears]

You actually got it wrong, lol. Here is an example so you can understand:

•Spider-Man PS4 -> ( PS5 Backwards Compatibility) -> Spider-Man PS4 Enhance version.
•Spider-Man Miles Morales PS4 -> (PS5 free Upgrade) -> Spider-Man Miles Morales PS5
•Spider-Man Miles Morales PS4 -> (PS5 $20 Upgrade) -> Spider-Man Miles Morales Ultimate Edition (Bring Spider-Man Remastered)
•Spider-Man Miles Morales PS5 -> ( $20 Upgrade) -> Spider-Man Miles Morales Ultimate Edition
•Spider-Man PS4 ≠ (No PS5 Upgrade) ≠ Spider-Man Remastered
•Spider-Man PS4 ≠ (No $20 or free Upgrade) ≠ Spider-Man Miles Morales PS4/PS5/ Ultimate Edition

[morganfell]

They are not hurting for money. Define hurt? If Sony had more money to freely use then perhaps Bluepoint would already be a Sony Studio. Its relative, especially in light of the news this week. They are having to compete in a space where the competition is throwing everything at the wall with the backing of one of the wealthiest companies in the world.

Insomniac were literally working on 3 games at once. Companies lose money at launch. That is a fact. Sony is still losing money on the this PS4 to PS5 MM upgrade.

I do agree that the advertising of this feature should be much more broad and in the public's face because frankly its a deal. I think it would be an attraction so yes Sony should banner this often. But I do not think they have the cash to simply bandy about.

I am not sure what you mean by this: "...I think they could have taken the hit here and just made free upgrades for those that own the game ..."

EDIT: Never mind, I see what you mean and I agree.

[morganfell]

""So if you own the PS4 version of SpiderMan you get the next gen version and Miles Morales next gen for $20."

Thanks for clarifying!"

The confusion is there is an Spider-Man upgraded version AND a remastered version and those two are not the same thing and Sony has not made this clear at all.

[BillyG0AT]

It's more confusing than the Xbox naming system

[Knushwood Butt]

Cool. I have Ps4 Spidey on disc, unplayed.

[Tacoboto]

"If you own Spidey on the PS4 and you buy a PS5 you get the PS5 Peter Parker Spidey upgrade for free"

You are confused because... That is not how it is at all. That is wrong. There is no PS5 Upgrade for the PS4 Spider-Man game. The game is playable via BC. Nothing special.

Spider-Man Remastered is the only upgrade there is to the PS4 game. You cannot buy it from the PS4 game. You can only get it from the $70 Ultimate Edition of the PS5 Miles Morales or from a $20 upgrade of the base PS5 MM or PS4 Miles Morales when used on a PS5.

Again, there is no path to upgrade from PS4 Spider-Man to PS5 Spider-Man Remastered. I'm also pretty sure based on the separate SKUs that Sony is so backwards you can't expect the PS5 disc to work in a PS4.

[Bathyj]

No. You got it backwards. And reading the tweet I don't blamed you.

If you buy ps4MM vanila it upgrades. You can pay 20 extra in game on ps5 to get Spiderman remastered.

You have to buy MM.

Forget your PS4 spider-man. That's irrelevant. It doesn't upgrade or factor into this. It's a coaster. (Or you can play it BC on ps5)

Spiderman remastered is basically DLC for MM.

[Ready4nxtgen]

So what if I have Miles morales downloaded

[--Onilink--]

You do not find it confusing.. and yet you actually got it completely backwards haha.

If you own MILES MORALES on PS4, you get the free upgrade for MILES MORALES PS5 and then from within MM PS5 you get the option to pay $20 for the PETER PARKER remaster.

If you own PETER PARKER spiderman digitally on PS4, you get nothing else, other than playing it through BC on PS5 with mild enhancements. If you want the remaster, you need to purchase the ultimate edition on PS5 and if you want MM, you have to pay $50, not $20

The worst case scenario in terms of confusion is if someone is on ps4 and just bought the Peter parker spiderman and now wants to wait for the remaster to play it, that person will have to double dip to do it + buy miles morales

[UltraNova]

Jesus what's clusterf***

Spiderman PS4 is useless on PS5 unless you want to play it again via BC.

Spiderman MM: Buy it on Ps4? You can play the upgraded version for free on PS5.

You want to play Spiderman OG remastered (*which is only available on ps5)? You have to a) buy the 70 dollar Ultimate edition, or b) go in Spiderman MM's menu and pay 20 dollars for the UE upgrade.

The takeaway here is that yes Insomniac/Sony should have never allowed this to get this far, and they should have given existing Spiderman PS4 owners the option to upgrade to the UE on the ps5 for 30-40 dollars.

[Father__Merrin]

It was the same at the start of last gen. Anything to put playstation down and create a fictional doom and gloom aura about Sony. All these so called journalists they are clearly rooting for xbox so it's natural for them to "hear voices, voices in the head"

Give it 6 months to a year we are likely see playstation in full swing in the meantime I would like to ask these journalists have they actual xbox series X gameplay?

[boing1]

By Spidey you mean Miles Morales, right? Because you can't upgrade to anything if you have Spider-man 2018. You can only upgrade Miles Morales PS4 to PS5 and then to Ultimate from inside the game if you want remaster too. There is no Ultimate version for PS4.

[UltraNova]

Father__Merrin

Yes it's the same as every other console gen, i.e you wouldn't expect to get TLOU remastered for free on ps4 because you owned it on ps3. Same goes for all other console publishers.

The problem here is that Sony should have forseen this and be crystal clear from the start but the way they've communicated gave people hope of getting the remaster for free...this mess was easily avoidable.

[morganfell]

If I am wrong then I am wrong. It would not be the first time here or elsewhere. Unlike some I have never had an issue saying that on this board and I have done so several times in the past. And if I am wrong it is because of direct misdirection by Insomniac. And it hinges on a single word. There is no Ultimate edition of Spider-Man. But there is an Ultimate Edition of Miles Morales. And that is what they said the upgrade would provide. Then in parentheses wrote download MSMR which is Marvels Spider-Man Remastered. So if I have it wrong it isn’t arrogance on my part (nothing like having someone post something and then be so angry they have to pm you with a personal attack) but rather it’s a testament to the lack of delineation in the entire affair.

[nyctophilia13]

Nevermind

[Dalkum]

Sure

[darthv72]

@Nova, in regards to the LoU remastered... why couldnt Sony have done the same thing EA was doing with battlefield? If you have the PS3 disc, you could put it into the PS4 and pay $10 to get the PS4 version of battlefield. Other games did a disc to digital upgrade for a period of time as well. Sony could very easily have done the disc to digital for God of war 3 remastered, LoU remastered and they can do it with this spider man remastered. The disc validates you have it and then you get a discount on digital upgrade to a next gen version for a low price.

[Kryptix1]

Reading these comments, it's hilarious how confusing it actually is.

There's some actual magic to it. When you finally admit that what Sony is doing with this whole ordeal is anti-consumer by not providing a free upgrade to the base game, the actual meaning of how it really works gets revealed to you. The people who don't see that get it wrong and the people who do gets it right. LOL

Slightly reworked textures shouldn't mean an extra $20 these days. When I buy a new graphics card and it allows me to output better textures, tessellation, anti-aliasing, frame rate and a higher resolution, I don't have to buy the game a second time.

[Ju]

" shows it's confusing." ... just shows the closer we are getting to ideocracy. How is this confusing? Do you need a degree to figure this out?

[UltraNova]

Darth,
From my 1st comment
"...and they should have given existing Spiderman PS4 owners the option to upgrade to the UE on the ps5 for 30-40 dollars."

[isarai]

It won't be all that confusing for the masses. Pretty sure it'll just give you. Simple prompt when you put the disc in, or automatically apply a discount in the store if it's already installed on your ps5

[Christopher]

But you have to know that's an option. For people who played it in 2018, they're not going to install or put in the disc for Spider-Man (2018) to get the upgrades. They're just going to buy the latest via the store. But the latest doesn't get that upgrade.

Also, this tweet specifies exactly how it will be handled and NONE of it mentioned PSN automatically detecting anything or informing them of anything. It all involved the user having to do it themselves.

[deleted]

I kind of get what you're saying Christopher. I could be caught off guard if I hadn't been reading these articles.

The worst upgrade system that I've seen on Playstation was with Minecraft PS3/PS4/Vita. For $4.99 you could get Minecraft PS4 if you owned Minecraft PS3. If you owned Minecraft PS3, you could get Minecraft Vita free. - I went into it thinking I could buy the PS4 version at the time, since it's the "ultimate version" and still get the Vita version free. I actually bought the PS4 version right before the Vita release with that intention. (they were both released 1 month apart, Fall of 2014) Nope. I had to shell out another full $20 for Vita. Wrote Sony, and they wouldn't work with me on it.

-Hey, at least I got the PSVR version free now. Feels like I got something back from that crap, 6 years later.

[morganfell]

@Christopher and Otter,

Looking back over the sources I agree that Sony's messaging on this has been off. They really need to tighten this up. No excuse for the press but it could have prevented a lot of this.

[Saigon]

Am I the only one that understands that the sell of this is for MMSM. If you want to play SM 2018 on PS5 you can, enhanced but you can. Now if you want the ultimate edition you have to pay for it through the MMSM game. The reason they are doing this is to sell MMSM not the ultimate edition of SM. The ultimate edition is a plus. I get that some want Sony to give the SM ultimate edition for free, but I hate to say that its not going to happen because the ultimate edtion is a remastered version of the game designed for the PS5. Any remaster that any company has given us has a price tag to to it. That's like telling Nintendo to give us the Mario Ultimate edition for free on the switch because we owned those games in the past...

[blackblades]

I hope people move on and stop bringing this up and complaining. Probably be another article about this soon.

[UnSelf]

i had no freakin clue this was the case. I really was ready to spend an EXTRA 70 for the Ultimate Edition eventhough i own PS4 Spiderman.

Yeah this is a little messy and i almost gave away 50 damn dollars

[UltraNova]

No no no, forget your Spiderman ps4 copy, it's useless on the ps5, unless you want to replay it there.

You need to buy Spiderman MM Ultimate edition to get access to the remastered version of the original 2018 Spiderman.

[Petebloodyonion]

Meanwhile MS had this to say regarding the subject. a jab to Sony's video about how sharing a game on Ps4 vs Xbox1
https://twitter.com/xboxuk/...
"Here's a thread on how you can upgrade games to Xbox Series X | S with Smart Delivery in a few easy steps
-
-
- Just buy the game"

Also IGN dedicated a whole podcast to it
https://youtu.be/b9d2H6ioz8...

[ziggurcat]

It's the same thing on PS5. All you need to do is "just buy the game" on PS4, too, so they completely failed in their attempt to troll Sony.

What this whole thing is about is a *remastered* version of Spider-Man. You still get the same kinds of upgrades playing PS4 Spider-Man on PS5 as you would with the PS4/Xbox One versions of Cyberpunk/Valhalla, etc... on PS5/Xbox Series X.

Again, swing, and a miss from MS.

[Petebloodyonion]

You know that there are two versions of Nba 2k, Valhalla, etc. right?
Like they are not the same game and not all publishers automatically offer you for free the next-gen version of the game.

[blacktiger]

it's a remaster not an upgrade, know the difference and put your fanboy to your mom's basemen

[blacktiger]

This is what I wrote on another post and youtube, but gamers seems to get confused,

That's wrong bro:
Upgrade/Enhancement - is a same game with barely a touch and it works on all devices. Kinda like same game with many computer from weak to powerful machine.
Remaster - is when they replace texture and models and so on. Remember I said "REPLACE"
Reboot/Remake - Starts from the scratch

This is where Xbox fan boys gets confused.

[SPEAKxTHExTRUTH]

It’s anti consumer no matter how you try to sugar coat it.

[Christopher]

No, it's not. Sony gave you exactly what you paid for two years ago. You are no longer a consumer as it relates to Spider-Man (2018). The new product is MM which has some extras that are actually beneficial and not holding back those who are no longer considered the consumer target, which is Spider-Man (2018) owners.

No matter how you try to twist the meaning of it, Sony isn't being anti-consumer. Every court in the world would uphold that assessment here.

It's okay to be critical of Sony's choices, but that doesn't mean that they are anti-consumer in those same decisions. Two sides seem to believe the extremes here rather than recognize the middle-ground elements.

[chicken_in_the_corn]

Sounds pretty straight forward to me. Get the PS5 version of the main game for free then pay for Miles Morales

[Ryushaa]

At first I though this as well, but it seems like it is not. Actually is:
- Buy Miles Morales (Only the Miles Morales, don't even need the base game) on PS4 and get the PS5 version for free.
- Then you have the choice to pay $20 to get the base game on the PS5, and only on the PS5 as is a remaster only in the new console.

[robtion]

The following video explains it in plain English. Should clear up any confusion.

Link: https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[xHeavYx]

Ha, that was a great video

[Outside_ofthe_Box]

Interesting choice of a title for a direct link to a tweet

[AnotherGamer]

Yeah, that's pretty much what I though they meant.

[Npugz7]

I feel Sony is shitting the bed this new generation with its fans and there communication has nose dived. They use to be so open now they barely say a word it’s like Microsoft and Sony have swapped there ways. Shape up Sony!

[GaboonViper]

This, couldn't have said it better.

[goldwyncq]

Things got suddenly worse when Shawn Layden stepped down.

[RememberThe357]

I see the correlation too. Not sure it's causation but Sony's gotta clean thing up before launch regardless. This has been so needlessly dumb.

[GameZenith]

This is what happens when Sony regains their ego. The massive ass kicking that the PS4 gave the XBone has made Sony lose their modesty they built up after the poor release of the PS3 and how Sony had to catch back up to eventually outsell the Xbox 360.

[RememberThe357]

Not feeling the need to communicate with your customers because you take them for granted. That's what happens.

[SpadeX]

@darkWingsoul

Ah, yes. The perfect example of a blind loyal fan.

"They've communicated plenty"

Why of course they did, except they did it so terribly bad, every explanation led yet to another question or even more confusion.

"I feel like people who aren't really Sony fans are spewing hyperbole, blowing it out of proportion and using it as an excuse to create fake outrage and to concern troll about it endlessly in an effort to sway opinion"

Perfect, us Sony fans must support all decisions they come up with, whether good or ba- oh crap, how foolish of me, I almost made a mistake! They never make bad decisions obviously, they've been pro-consumer this entire time.

"There messaging in some instance could have been clearly sure but that could be said of any gaming company, but referring to it as "trash" calls into question your claim of being a Sony fan."

YEAH! How dare anyone call their preferred console manufacturer trash for doing something wrong! Those are not true fans who want to get the better treatment as actual consumers.

Do us all a favor Mr. darkWingsoul and anyone else wearing the same sony fanboy glasses, take them off. Understand that companies - even the ones you are most loyal to - are businesses, corporations who care about nothing but earning your trust and money, you're not helping when you take on the people who are against this, this kind of shitty communication shouldn't be supported from nobody, even fans. If this is already an impossible task for you to accomplish, then the least you could do is leave the ones who are against this alone.

[morganfell]

I wouldn't say they have swapped places. Lets not forget and pretend Microsoft hasn't had their fair share including the entire generational smart delivery oops changed out minds issues. Its more like Sony has come down to visit Microsoft in the basement.

[AnnaDea]

So if i have Spoderman on ps4, I can just upgrade the game for free on PS5 and buy Miles for 20 bucks?

I'm in for that.

[Ryushaa]

By the Isomaniac's tweet it's exactly that. The media made a narrative contrary to this just to make click baity articles. Also someone disliked your comment for stating the good thing people was asking for?!

[AnnaDea]

Welcome to n4g.

Where people dislikes anything that is based on their feelings.

[Transporter47]

Purposely misunderstanding the tweet good for you buddy. In case you don't get it. I got you ;). If you buy Spider-man Miles Morales base on PS4 Digital/Disc you just pop it in and upgrade free to the PS5 version, or pay $20 for the Ultimate edition and get the Remastered Spider-Man with it.

[AnnaDea]

Quite amazing how you misunderstand everything.

Insomniac tweeted: "So you can get the PS4 edition of the game, upgrade to PS5 for free (if you get disc version, you must have a disc-drive PS5 tho!). Then from inside the game on PS5, you can upgrade to the Ultimate Edition (aka, download MSMR for $20)"

MSMR = Marvel's Spiderman: Miles Morales or Marvel's Spider-Man Remaster?

Make sense anytime Insomniac....

It says clearly you can download Miles for 20 dollars if you upgrade the PS4 of Spiderman for free.

[Transporter47]

Did you even read the question before that tweet? Anyways, I told exactly what they mean, but go ahead and believe what you like :)

[UltraNova]

Anna,

You have misunderstood.

"Insomniac tweeted: "So you can get the PS4 edition of the game,..."

Game= ***Miles morales*** not Spiderman 2018.

[SpadeX]

@AnnaDea

MSMR is Marvel's Spider-Man Remastered not Miles Morales. Not sure why you said "It says clearly" when you were questioning the abbreviation.

You'll be able to get the 2018's Remastered version for $20 if you buy the Regular Edition of Miles Morales whereas you'll get the 2018's Remastered version for free if you buy the Ultimate Edition of Miles Morales on PS5.

Since there is no Ultimate Edition on PS4 as the 2018's Remastered version is only on PS5, you'll be able to upgrade Miles Morales Regular Edition for free from PS4 to PS5 which will allow you thereafter to purchase the 2018's Remastered version for $20 on PS5.

[ShadowWolf712]

No. You need the Miles disc.

https://twitter.com/JamesSt...

This would have been a better tweet to link to as it's not predicated by a messy, barely understandable question.

[boing1]

Not sure how you got that from that tweet.

[RememberThe357]

Remember when you thought everyone else was dumb but then you realized you misread and called yourself out instead?

[darthv72]

If you have Spiderman PS4, you can play it on the PS5 via backwars compatibility (improved performance but its still the PS4 version).

If you buy Miles on the PS4, you get a free upgrade to the PS5 version of Miles. And for $20 more you can upgrade to the ultimate Edition (which includes the remastered spiderman for PS5).

But wait... if you buy the Ultimate edition (only available on PS5) you get both Miles and Remastered spiderman in one.

[ocelot07]

Yer I'm confused. So I have the 2018 version of Spiderman on PS4. If I was to put that in ps5 I load it up and I get a option for $20 to upgrade it to the ps5 version plus get miles Morales ps5 all for $20?

[Ryushaa]

No what I got from their tweet. You get the 'remastered' base Spider-man on the PS5, no money required. However, if you want the Miles Morales you pay $20.
For what I understand the Miles Morales is a stand alone for $20, you can own and play it even if you don't own the base spider-man on the PS4 or PS5.

[Sunny_D]

No if you have standard Miles Morales on PS4, you will get the free upgrade for standard Miles Morales on PS5. Now when playing the PS5 version, inside the game will be an option to pay $20 dollars to unlock the ultimate edition which means you will get the Remastered edition of 2018 Spiderman.

[RememberThe357]

See, these exchanges right here are exactly why Sony's messaging around this is so God damn stupid.

[Sunny_D]

If you have standard Miles Morales on PS4, you will get the free upgrade for standard Miles Morales on PS5. Now when playing the PS5 version, inside the game will be an option to pay $20 dollars to unlock the ultimate edition which means you will get the Remastered edition of 2018 Spiderman.

[AnnaDea]

It says you can upgrade to ultimate edition and download Miles Morales for 20 dollars?

"So you can get the PS4 edition of the game, upgrade to PS5 for free (if you get disc version, you must have a disc-drive PS5 tho!). Then from inside the game on PS5, you can upgrade to the Ultimate Edition (aka, download MSMR for $20)"

[Elda]

That's exactly how I understood it. Folks here saying put the 2018 PS4 disc in the PS5 & get the PS5 Miles Morales & the Spiderman remaster for $20 which doesn't make any sense. If that was the case I would cancel my PS5 pre-order of S:MM & use my friends PS4 copy of Spiderman & pay the $20...lol. Though I should get the PS4 version of S:MM for $40 instead of paying $50 for the PS5 version since they are going to give the PS4 to PS5 for free.

[Ryushaa]

@Elda To my understanding you can either:
-Have the PS4 game and get the 'remaster' PS5 for free.
-If you have the PS4 game when you play it on the PS5 you can pay $20 to get Miles Morales
-Pay only for Miles Morales and have only the stand alone expansion (No base game)
-Pay for the Ultimate edition that have base game + Miles Morales

Did I understand correct?

[ironmonkey]

Na its just the fake fans and covid turning alot of people into sissies and wine about everything.

[RememberThe357]

Stay strong tough guy, you'll be the light to lead us out 😂

[SyntheticForm]

I don't think it's anti, but it certainly isn't pro, nor is it friendly. I think it's worded idiotically, tbh. I think Rich's interpretation is pretty spot on. It's just unfriendly, really.

Edit: This is not the same as the Tweet.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[ShadowWolf712]

The problem isn't their tweet, it's the tweet it's replying to directly.

Here's one from their Community Manager that's a lot clearer without that clutter.
https://twitter.com/JamesSt...

[Inverno]

Either I'm wrong or everyone else is. You can get Miles Morales for 50 on PS4 which has a free PS5 upgrade. Then you can pay the extra 20 to unlock the ultimate edition which grants access to Spiderman 2018. Idk how theres people here saying you can get Miles Morales for 20 bucks? Where do you all even see this?

[MoonConquistador]

In the tweet that this article is based on?

[Inverno]

He's talking about the PS4 version of Miles, but theres some people in this comment section thinking it's Spiderman 2018 getting the free update with Miles being 20$

[Chocoburger]

This is correct. Its worded very poorly, but remember that Spider-Man: Miles Morales Ultimate Edition has a $70 MSRP. Now how could anyone come to the conclusion that you could get it all for $20 only? Ridiculous!

Break it down in simple terms:
Miles = $50 game (with free upgrade)
Upgrade old game = $20
Total = $70.
See how simple it is?

[Melankolis]

Confusion is inevitable because :
1. The game (Spider-man PS4) is a BC compatible game
2. The other game (Spider-man Miles Morales) is a cross-gen game
3. Different form of the games availability (physical and digital)
4. Different form of the consoles for upgrade (PS5 Regular and PS5 Digital)
5. Spider-man Miles Morales is not free, you can get it by many options

I wonder if i can make it simple.

[ShadowWolf712]

You buy Miles. You put the disc in the tray or download the PS5 version. You go to the menu and see the option to upgrade for $20. You press X on it.

Simple.

[Atomicjuicer]

Many of us are still making our way through Spiderman PS4. I sold my pro to get a ps5 and the game wont run any better now.

Why not?

Because of Miles Morales.

[RememberThe357]

Why would you got through all of that when you could just buy the PS5 ultimate edition and be done? The issue I think is that there's no way to just upgrade your SM2018 to the remastered version on PS5. It seems you have to go through MM to get the upgrade. Not a terrible situation just kinda dumb and the various layers they've made for themselves (listed nicely by Melan) have made this needlessly complicated. Not overly, but needlessly.

[ShadowWolf712]

Those aren't the "layers" at all. It's literally as simple as I said.

And not everyone's gonna have a PS5 right away, my guy.

[RememberThe357]

As easy as that unless you just want Spider-Man Remastered.

[Transporter47]

For those who don't understand at all. I'll break down the entire thing.
1. Spider-man PS4 can be Played on PS5 probably with some upgrades (free).
2. Spider-man Miles Morales on PS4 can be upgraded to PS5 for free as well (If you buy disc you need the disc to get it). If you want the Ultimate Edition that comes with a Remastered version of Spider-Man with all the dlc. The fee for that is $20
3. Spider-Man Remastered is using Spider-Man 2 assets with a different Peter Parker model etc. The details are on https://blog.playstation.co...
4. The remastered version is not free due to the fact that it is a remastered game, hence the $20 fee.
5. Remastered games =/= backwards compatible games. You don't have to pay for a remaster if you're okay with your PS4 version.

[Elda]

Exactly.

[northpaws]

Omg, people are still talking about this? What is so difficult to understand? I can summary in two sentenced.

"As an appreciation to players that support them by buying the sequel - Spiderman: Miles Morale, they now give these players the option to get the PS5 remaster of the original for a discounted price of $20. PS4 owners are not able to get this remaster because it is a PS5 game."

Baselessly attacking a good developer who has been continuously producing amazing games.

[AnnaDea]

never mind.....

[ShadowWolf712]

Can you tell me why you think Morales could start with an R?

[ShadowWolf712]

No idea how this is somehow confusing.

[Elda]

So it's basically if one pays $40 for Spiderman:Miles Morales on the PS4 & they want to play it on the PS5 you will get the PS5 version of S:MM for free & while having the PS5 version you can get Spiderman Remaster for the PS5 for $20.

[northpaws]

Exactly, I don't know what people want? Play the ps5 remaster on your PS4? You get to play your PS4 version on your ps5, that's the BC people are asking for. The remaster for $20 is for showing appreciation to people that buy the Spiderman: MM.

[Bathyj]

So what's the beef?
You can buy ps4MM vanilla and then upgrade later.
You're paying the same that PS5 owners buying the PS5 ultimate are paying.

[Atomicjuicer]

No improvement for those of us with spiderman on pro or ps4.

I sold my pro. I havent played through my copy of spiderman properly yet.

When I put my disc in to my ps5 it won't run any better even though it could have.

[Bathyj]

You're playing BC. You'll get quicker loading and stable, possibly faster framerates. You weren't promised anything more than that.

Besides everyone will get Miles Morales. Just get the ultimate.

[AKS]

That is "confusing?" Install, boot up the game, and upgrade. Oh, my brain aches from the complexity!!!

[Ryushaa]

Ok. I'm totally loss with all this situation. Basically the greed made a mess of this situation.
Actually this tweet explain you buying the stand alone Miles Morales (Only the expansion, no base game), and how you can pay $20 to add the PS5 version of the Base game to your collection.
I though is was you owning the PS4 base game, having the PS5 version for free and a $20 option to add the Miles Morales expansion.
What a greedy mess!!!

[dietis_h]

try reading again.

[outsider1624]

Ah there we go. Upgrade Spiderman for a 20$ fee. Even if you dnt want to, you can still play it on your PS5(without the upgrades). Awesome.

[Good-Smurf]

Seeing what had happened this week it's pretty clear that Microsoft got the media locked down,just everything top to bottom of the N4G are nothing but Xbox related.
They are on TGS 2020 front and center.
It's almost a monopoly vibe going on.
Then you have the easily confused people try to shot Sony down as usual because the media's sucking up for Microsoft real good and they don't want the blowjobs to stop.

[Challengerscatpack]

You have a problem when you read this Twitter post and immediately think, “this is Microsoft’s fault.” Seriously?

[Stanjara]

I still not get it.
Why is then MM 40$ and Ultimate 70$ for PS5?
In their tweet, you can buy Ps4 spiderman 20$ ps hits...upgrade it on ps5 for free and in a game menu buy mm for 20$.

It doesn't make sense.

This is fucked up Sony...you fucked it up.

[ShadowWolf712]

That's not at all what their tweet says. You can buy Miles on PS4, get it free on PS5, and upgrade to the Ultimate Edition for $20 to get the Remaster.

[Prem8tuaProcrastin8a]

Funny to see the sites that say that this isn't confusing are the same sites that say xbox series x/s is confusing. Ign in particular, who cover tesla and aren't confused at all with the tesla model s and model x, think that the xbox series x/s are dumbfounding.

[jairusmonillas]

Sony can't do anything because whatever they say the anti playstation paid media and trolls are going to spread misinformations and mistakes about it. This is like Elections with all the fake news.

[Legendary_Soldier]

I finally solved it!!

so:

1- Spider-man PS4 games " the original " game: they get Sh!t, none, nada.

2- Spider-man Miles Morales " PS4 Disc version " : they get Miles Morales PS5 upgrade for Free + if they want the Remastered Spider-man " PP " they have to pay $20 to get it.

[Atomicjuicer]

Correct.

[ziggurcat]

Doesn't have to be the disc version. They're saying that if you have the PS4 disc version of MM, you obviously need the standard edition of the PS5.

[CantThinkOfAUsername]

In other words,
People on PS4 can get: Miles Morales (you get free upgrade to PS5, but no remaster of the 2018 game).
People on PS5 can get: Miles Morales with all bells and whistles for $50 and Marvel's Spider-Man Remastered for $20 (or Ultimate Edition with both for $70).

[GreatSako2020]

Alot of people lack reading comprehension.

The tweet is very clear. Spider-Man remastered is not free.

You buy Spider-Man Miles Morales on PS5 and then pay extra $20 for the remastered Original.

Or

Buy Spider-Man Miles Morales on PS4==> upgrade to PS5 for free and then buy the remastered for $20.

Or just wait for release and buy ultimate edition digitally for $70 including MM and the remastered.

That's it.

Also you cannot upgrade the original to remastered for free or paid and you cannot buy remastered stand alone. This is stupid, but I know they will eventually sell it standalone

[ShadowWolf712]

You can get the Ultimate Edition physically, my guy. Tis on Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/p...

[GreatSako2020]

Ok that doesn't change anything I mentioned.

[AnnaDea]

This is what happens when you:

1: Never marketed that the game even comes to PS4.
2: Have a previous game on PS4 that you now have remastered.
3: Offering that new ps4 game as a free ps5 upgrade (but you never said that it would come to PS4 in the first place)
4: Having no way off upgrading the OG spoderman for the remaster without buying the new one.

It makes sense if you are already knowing that the Miles Morales is coming for the PS4, but that is information that came recently.

Meanwhile other companies offers free upgrades for their games that takes the use of the full power of the PS5. CD Project Red is one of them that is remastering TW3 for a release in 2021, and Cyberpunk 2077 will get a real next-gen upgrade later on while we are getting a better version for PS5 at launch.

[yomfweeee]

More end of the world articles bashing Sony over how upgrading a 2 year old game will work.

Miles Morales is a standalone game. No, you cannot upgrade your regular 2018 SM game to anything. It is backwards compatible on the PS5 and that is it.

This is not confusing in any manner.

[enkiduxiv]

I don't see why people are so angry about the upgrades. You can play the PS4 game on the new system if you own it. Sony has already confirmed that resolution and framerate will improve when you do. Any "upgrade" you choose to purchase is effectively a remaster with improvements added by the developer. Now, I do understand that not every remaster is worth it, but that's what a review is for - to tell you if its worth spending money on.

It's nice when a dev like CDR offers the free upgrade, but I don't think we should expect every dev to do the work of upgrading an old game for free.

[Gameseeker_Frampt]

This doesn't really change the complete tone-deafness of Sony around the whole issue. Activision got crap for forcing people who wanted the Call of Duty 4 Remaster to buy the Infinity War bundle and then Sony tries to do the same thing. Insomniac is trying to damage control the situation but you still cannot buy Spider-Man Remastered separately. You can pay to have your PS4 version upgraded but that just means new players have to pay for the same game twice if they want to play Spider-Man Remastered on the PS5.

[ShadowWolf712]

Activision got crap for charging more AND bundling it with "a game no one wanted to try to make it sell".

This is not that.

And... yeah, that's how Remasters work, broski.

[Gameseeker_Frampt]

They charged the same amount - $20.

And no, that isn't how remasters work. I'm not even sure where you even got that idea. Which game in the past have you had to already own before you got the privilege to buy the remaster of the game?

[Atomicjuicer]

All the defenders here are just damaging the reputation of playstation fans.

You are trying to defend Sony gatekeeping the update for the original game which just punishes the actual fans who bought the game.

[ShadowWolf712]

That's because this isn't a damn update. It's a full-scale remaster.

[Atomicjuicer]

Hey, you were right! They purposelessly switched the model of the main character.

Now my 70 bucks feel more comfortable leaving my wallet and entering Sonys!

[milohighclub]

Sooooo people who bought digitally don't get this? Even though we probably paid more and supported the Dev by not purchasing preowned

[C-H-E-F]

Ehh oh well, i already spent the $69.99 on for both, I guess Insomniac that's ya'll tip for making such a brilliant game. I'm really looking forward to playing them both, but now I'm like should I play Miles first or the remaster then Miles? HMPH.

[jwillj2k4]

Only broke boys fret over paying an extra 20-50 bucks after shelling out hundreds of dollars for a new console. I don’t give a **** about the price model. I’m buying all their ****

[Petebloodyonion]

I fail to see why Insomniac can't make the game a standalone digital purchase (the remaster) at 30$
It would solve a lot of the problems they are facing.

1) You would still get a discount by buying the Miles Morales deluxe edition
2) Everybody could have access to the Remaster
3) there would be no need to explain how you can access the remaster on PS5.

Personally, I still believe that Sony should go the friendly consumer route and offer the remaster to the current owner of the game of the year edition (or base game plus DLC).

And before someone says that in no way shape or form I am entitled to a free remaster by Sony should remember that Capcom, Sega, and others tried to charge for extra difficulty and new game plus mode because it's extra development to a complete game.
Accepting to pay for one by saying that it shouldn't be free is accepting to pay for the other for the same reasons.

[darthv72]

i am reminded of what EA was doing at the beginning of this gen. People with a PS3 copy of battlefield could put that disc into a PS4 and for $10 they got the PS4 version digitally. There were other disc to digital games available as well that were given the $10 upgrade option.

Even Sony could have done it with LoU remastered and GoW3 remastered if they wanted to but instead they charged full price. This time... there is no reason they cant use the same disc to digital validation for the PS4 version of spiderman. you can either just put the disc into a PS5 and play (via BC) or for a little $$ you can upgrade to the remastered edition by itself.

[blacktiger]

It's a remaster not an upgrade

[ILostMyMind]

For everyone who is trying to explain the situation, the problem is not that people have not understood. Is that they do not agree to charge for a remastering on a console that is BC. Sony received praise (at least for me) for remastering old games that didn't work on PS4, but there is no further explanation to justify remastering a game that is only two years old and that you can play "for free" on PS5 .

Or give the game for free as a graphical update or stop remastering PS4 games. This is hurting Sony more than they will profit from it.

[Mister_G]

Not that confusing really.

[StoneColdCrazy]

More 😂

[Nicknasty]

All I wanted to know is if I can just buy the MM stand alone game PS5 version for $50, and then take my PS4 Spider-Man 2018 copy and be able to upgrade it to the remastered version for free or pay. Is the only way to get Spider-Man remastered on PS5 is to buy the ultimate version?

[darthv72]

Put simply, you can buy the regular Miles game on PS4 or PS5 for $50. If you buy it on PS4, and you decide to play on PS5... you get a free upgrade from the PS4 ver to PS5 ver (only for Miles). You dont get anything for the PS4 Spiderman on PS5 except backwards compatibility.

The only way to get the remastered version is via the Ultimate Edition. You can buy ultimate edition outright for $70 (PS5 only) or you can use the $50 PS4 version of Miles to upgrade to the PS5 version of Miles (for free) and then from within that PS5 version you can pay an additional $20 to get the ultimate edition which includes the remastered spiderman.

Like I said, the og Ps4 Spider... only gets you backward compatibility and your saves dont transfer between Ps4 to PS5 even though you are running the game in PS4 mode on the ps5.

[Nicknasty]

Thanks for clearing it up, you actually explained it better than anything else I’ve been seeing. I have a much better understanding of it now and will break for the PS5 ultimate version.

[Rimeskeem]

I like how people are all up in arms about this while others are buying the wrong Xbox console because the names are such shit.

[Father__Merrin]

theres nothing to be up in arms about this, the only people who seem to be up in arms about this is xbox and pc fans really. in reality the point you mentioned is worse and the main issue now is gamepass is mentioned more times that series X thats a fact!!!!

[Rimeskeem]

The fact the media is all over this shit and Insomniac made a tweet explaining while MS has literally sold 400$ consoles because people got the names mixed up and haven't made a tweet explaining this that I've seen is beyond me.

[Nicknasty]

Haha, yea good point.

[blacktiger]

That's wrong bro:
Upgrade/Enhancement - is a same game with barely a touch and it works on all devices. Kinda like same game with many computer from weak to powerful machine.
Remaster - is when they replace texture and models and so on. Remember I said "REPLACE"
Reboot/Remake - Starts from the scratch

This is where Xbox fan boys gets confused.

[Bronbron92]

Yeh every YouTuber is reporting this and say shame on Sony when it’s all normal and fine I mean every other remaster game that has came out people have paid no questions asked lol but even when you read the tweet or statement it makes sense.
You get spider man miles morales on ps4 here’s the free upgrade to ps5 wait what’s that you want to the remastered version too? Just 20 bucks for what’s the confusion??
All ofthese people think all because they have the original spider man game they get the remastered version free literally on Xbox I think all the halo games were playable on the one hey here’s the master chief collection and everyone paid for it lol from this generation crying over backwards compatibility and 20 dollar upgrade for a game is really sad just shut up and pay it or don’t play it at all

[anast]

so it's $20?

[Exvalos]

Really pretty simple to understand, I really dont get the problem if you already own the game why even buy it again? And for people just purchasing it on ps5. Your getting miles Morales and a remaster. I own the ps4 version and have not gotten around to playing it yet so I'll go ahead and just upgrade for a measly 20.00. Some of you act like these developers are supposed to work for free. You all complain about paying for upgraded versions but then alot of you got no problem subbing to only fans or donating to youtubers or giving to superchat. But when it comes to what's actually supposed to matter in this hobby (the games) everybody wants to cry and scream anti consumer. How about show some appreciation for the amazing games we have gotten and will continue to get.

[Redrex7000]

why not do what xbox doing with there exclusives ?
why we got to buy it two times