Tekken 7 Reportedly Has Much Higher Input Lag on PS4 When Compared To XB1

Tekken 7 appears to have significantly higher input lag on PlayStation 4 in comparison to the Xbox One version of the game.

[ccgr]

What about the PS4 Pro?

[DashArrivals]

If this article is true... then they'll patch it. No worries

[Knockknock]

Like they did with prey and made it worse with massive frame pacing problems.

[XiNatsuDragnel]

Okay that sucks if true, because in fighting games I prefer consistency over resolution.

[Kurisu]

The game seems fine to me, I haven't had any problems nailing down some 10 hit combos! So don't worry about what the article says in regards to that.

To anyone who has played today, how has the online been? Yesterday on launch day it was really hard to get in to a match, I managed about four games. Also I had my game data wiped after a game failed to sink - luckily I hadn't got too far in to the games story mode, not that would have mattered anyway as it's short. Haven't tried treasure battle yet either which I'm glad of because it would have been annoying if I lost all the money and items on top of rankings.

[Lennoxb63]

Input lag in most cases is unnoticeable to the naked eye.

[PapaBop]

Because you wouldn't notice it. it works out at 7.2 frames of input lag, the fastest move in Tekken is 10 frames so it wouldn't be overly noticeable.

I only tried online for the first time today, found 8 different opponents and lost connection to each one. Harada (Tekken's lead developer) said they're working on fixing it which shouldn't be too difficult considering it's purely a problem with matchmaking. I hear the actual netcode is very very good though.

[Princess_Pilfer]

Uh, wrong? If the fastest move in the game is 10 frames, that means while you *should* have 7 or 8 of those to react properly, you instead have 3. That's a big ****ing deal.

[Eonjay]

It plays fine on PS4 so far from my experience.

[kowan]

The game plays fine. Both offline and Online(4 bars and up).

[derkasan]

It works just fine offline on the Pro for me, but both Ranked and Player matches are pretty laggy, even with four bars. Hopefully today was just a bad day.

[andrewsquall]

Don't worry they even had to strip away effects in the Xbone version too so you get your consistency as well as awful last gen resolution.

[freshslicepizza]

Other titles as well, The Last Guardian, Prey. How common is this problem?

[Nyxus]

The Last Guardian has higher input lag on PS4 than Xbox One?

[sho0ok]

Lol.. Ofc he means these games has hight input lag too, not necessarily compared to XB1

[DAEMONIFEAR]

I think he means ps4 struggles to run games regardless of ps4/ps4pro and the resolution

And that is sad!

[PistolsAtDawn]

Stop thinking in terms of everything being a console war. It makes you look like a fanboy. CLEARLY he just meant that it had high input lag.

[babadivad]

LMMFAO!!!

[Rimeskeem]

Less common than your dumb comments

[Liqu1d]

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

XB1 has higher input lag in some titles as well, but I'm sure you'll ignore that fact. Interesting how TLG has higher input lag on PS4 compared to Xbox considering it's an exclusive.

[Alexious]

Yes, of course, no one is saying it's across all the games. Just one case.

[Sitdown]

But should it be happening at all, given how we are constantly reminded that the ps4 is the best and most powerful console the world has seen.

*enter poor coding by the developer here*

[gangsta_red]

@liquid

Insecure much? Moldy never compared or said anything about Xbon One.

He's asking why do these games have input lag and gave a few examples. Unless you want him to list every single game on every platform so you wont feel threatened?

[rainslacker]

I'd imagine TLG did have higher input lag on the PS4 compared to the X1. Any lag at all is greater than zero.

[gangsta_red]

I dont think he meant to compare them just asking why other titles have lag too.

[rainslacker]

Lag is a software issue. the controller should always poll the system at the same interval if all other things are equal(radio signal, possibly battery life, etc). So if the software itself has noticeable lag, it's in the way it's designed which is introduced between the system receiving the signal, the OS processing it for the game, and then the software recognizing it and doing something about it.

Dunno which system has more or less lag on the controller connection since for the most part, I've never had much problem with it on wireless controllers.

[Aenea]

That you're not banned yet is unbelievable to me...

[gangsta_red]

Why?

[NotSoMad]

If only I actually cared about this.

[X-Alchemist]

Doesn't make much sense writing a comment about it then.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

What a brilliant and relevant comment.

[gums007]

NotSoMad, you cared enough to comment lol. I have an xbox one and Ps4 which i enjoy both for different reason but it sure is fun to see all the fanboys get all defensive and act like they don't care even when they take time out of they're day to tell people...

[HaikusfromBuddha]

Maybe not for you but for those who are serious fighting games players a single frame of input lag severely throws off competitive rhythm. Say an Xbox owner and PS4 owner play on a different version at a competitive event, either one will feel the difference when trying to input combos.

[Whirlwind_Fanfare_08]

SMFH

[jrshankill]

You'll find that pro players who document and memorize frame data will seriously care about this.

[thexmanone]

Why are you here?

[Muadiib]

There's clearly an endemic issue on Sony's end.

[DAEMONIFEAR]

I notice lag and judder issues on most games on my pro and even the ui dash is juddering it's brand new with a 1tb sshd installed too it's always done it even my launch ps4 was the same..

My launch x1 was like this from the original launch dash but haven't had any issue since...for a long time!!

The thing I hate most about my ps4pro and ps4 in general is the download times are ridiculous and there's nothing that can be done to speed it up!! That's sad!

[rainslacker]

Actually, there are things that can be done about. It's a router setting. Look it up on Sony's forum. Most people have praised Sony's relatively fast download speeds this gen, so seems the issue is on your end.

[Gardenia]

Sony didn't make this game you know

[Cybermario]

that actually... sucks. Hope they can patch it, wonder how big is the difference

[Dmagic]

its not even a full frame slower

[XtreemGamer]

How is less than a frame is a big difference? Oh man you xbox fans are so desperate and pathetic to find something small to blow up and bash Sony. Yet still PS4 is destroying xbox in every way. Keep up the struggle.

[TheOttomatic91]

I didn't notice any problems on my Pro.

[TheColbertinator]

I knew it

[agent13]

what about PC version?

[TXIDarkAvenger]

No data as far as I'm aware but the PC version is essentially the arcade version so input lag should be the lowest or the same as Xbox One.

[TXIDarkAvenger]

Not sure why I'm getting disagrees. The arcade version is played on a PC so I can't image it being that different.

[Str8Chaos74]

Anything that does not praise Sony or reveals another platform does something better gets disagrees on this site.

[ILostMyMind]

This is a job for TheSuperDayOnePatch ... or MonthOnePatch maybe.

[LoveSpuds]

Played it at a mates house and it was absolutely fine, I didn't notice any lag of any kind. Had I noticed any lag, I could have used it as an excuse for the arse kicking I got 😃

[showtimefolks]

☺

[butchertroll]

Quote from article :

"Since Tekken 7 doesn’t have any cross-platform functionality, there won’t be any advantage for Xbox One players. However, so far official tournaments were supposed to be conducted using the PlayStation 4 version of the game and this finding might lead organizers to evaluate whether it would be best to use to play on Xbox One during tournaments."

LOL! Author is hoping that his article will bring some changes on some tournaments and swap PS4s for Xbones. Not gonna happen!
Anyway, input-lag is fixable via patches

[rainslacker]

Those tournament deals are already in place. Plus, the input lag is so marginal, it's not going to mean anything in the end. So long as it can run within the actual input monitoring of the game loop, it won't even be noticeable. Lag is only an issue when it falls outside this parameter, otherwise, it's not actually lag, it's just the game running the way it's supposed to.

[PhantomTommy]

LOL I know right, I mean Tomb Raider and PREY were able to fix the input lag issues by introducing frame pacing issues and screen tearing, and I mean who really needs a consistent frame rate in a fighting game??

You're all maniacs on this site.

[TheDreamCorridor]

We live in a such a time for video games that purchasing a title a year after its initial release is actually the best, most cost efficient way to play and purchase games.

By then, the game is cheaper and patched.

It is much better.

[generic-user-name]

Oh please, nobody would even know unless they were told, the game is great.

[TheDreamCorridor]

That literally didn't even refute my point.

[generic-user-name]

Then your point is off topic.

[CrimsonWing69]

Geezus what is going on with Sony? Prey is also suffering from performance issues on the Pro. I'm not gonna lie, the Pro has been a waste of money for me.

I'm seriously considering the Scorpio but I'd hate to switch primary consoles this late in the current gen. I would like to play games at Native 4K at 60fps, so I'll wait to see MS's pitch at E3.

[butchertroll]

Sony didn't made Prey, man!

[Chevalier]

Because Sony had a part in Bandai Namco's development of Tekken 7 and Bethesda's Prey game?! Lol. You do realize that EVERY game for Bethesda pretty much has bugs? They are called Bugthesda for a reason. Sony had no part in the development of either game. Blame the developers not Sony's platform. If you think its Sony's fault want to explain how the PS4 which has far more fighting games running fine is at fault?

Injustice
Injustice 2
Guilty Gear Xrd
Guilty Gear Revelator 1 and 2
Saint Seiya
Jojo's Bizarre
Dead or Alive 5
King of Fighters 14 and all the old Neogeo Ports
Mortal Kombat X
Street Fighter V
Ultra Street Fighter 4
DBZ Xenoverse 1 and 2
Naruto Ninja Storm 4
Blazblue Chrono Phantasma and Central Fiction
J Stars Plus
Skullgirlz
One Piece Burning Blood
Nitroplus Blasterz
Dengeki Bunko

The majority of which are exclusive to PS4 by the way ALL pretty much work great on PS4, far more than Xbox Ones offerings, but, yeah this ONE game not made by Sony at all and its their systems fault. There's ONLY over 2 dozen other fighting games that work perfectly fine with no lag. But this one example and blame Sony? Gtfo.

[_-EDMIX-_]

"Geezus what is going on with Sony? Prey is also suffering"

???

Sony didn't make Prey...Arkane studios did. Sony also didn't make Tekken soooo not really sure how you've got this information about "going on with Sony" lol

[super_cuddles]

PS4 is crap confirmed!!!

[PlayStationBrah]

HOW DARE YOU BANDAI NAMCO!!!!!!

[InKnight7s]

The game is great, butas always Namco and Bandai games before and after the merge online suck. One more thing Akuma involving in the story out of no where it is something cause brain freezing.

[teo72]

input lag is due to wireless controll. set up for wired controll in devices and input lag is reduced very noticebly

[PFFT]

DAAAAAAAAAAAAMN!

[ninjahunter]

I dont know much about fighting games but if i were playing something like overwatch on PC those levels of input would make the game completely unplayable.

[rainslacker]

Why?

If a game is 30 fps, and the input lag is 120ms, then only 4 frames get rendered between the actual input and the software getting it. at 60fps it's 8 frames.

Do you think that games poll the input so fast that it would make a difference? generally, an input poll is only every 100ms in most games, because that is about all that is necessary. Anything more, and there is no discernable difference with the game itself.

[ninjahunter]

You kidding? Games like csgo literally have 16ms of input lag on 60hz monitors, pros use 144hz screens because its beneficial to have less input lag than 16ms. Heck in starcraft pros actually make actions faster than every 100ms. Saying that theres no difference at less than 100ms is like say the human eye cant comprehend more than 10 frames per second.

[rainslacker]

And it doesn't matter, because if the game doesn't poll the input that much, it doesn't matter how fast it gets to the software. Most people can indeed make an action faster than 100ms, but that doesn't mean the software reacts that fast. It all depends on how the game is designed, and most games nowadays, even fps, don't manage the input on every single frame.

We're talkng about a difference of 1/10th of a second. If that makes a game unplayable, and somehow means the difference between living and dying in a game, then the problem is on the player, not the input.

[ninjahunter]

I see your point and it is likely correct in a majority of situations, my knowledge on this topic comes from Starcraft, CSGO, OSU! and Overwatch All of which when measuring the input lag from the moment you press the button to when it displays on your screen is significantly less than 100ms. However i will defend that something like 1/10th of second is very easily the difference between a headshot and a miss against any moving target.

[Destiny1080]

on console no one will have an advantage unlike pc

digital foundry did hours of testing on every version and never noticed any input lag to even mention it

ill take a wild guess and say its not a big issue

[GNCFLYER]

Wow. Never thought I'd see the day but this place is dying fast.

I've been around in the last week and judging by the amount of comments and if they are for the PS4 or Xbox. I'd say the Xbox gamers are still here and PlayStation gamers have moved on.

[PhantomTommy]

Yeah certainly seems that way when every comment here that is saying anything remotely negative about the Playstation is bombarded with "downvotes" despite being truthful for the most part. Speaking as someone who is not absolutely insane, the sheer number of games on PS4 with input lag issues is ridiculous, and the few attempts to fix these problems have resulted in graphical issues like improper frame pacing and screen tearing, it's just not acceptable, especially for those who forked out the extra cash for the Pro. Try comparing even simple 2D games like the recent Lethal League or Broforce on PC and PS4 and you'll see how bad it can be. If the "fans" just keep taking this crap, it's never gonna be fixed.

[GNCFLYER]

I'm not even on topic. My comment is general. That is on coding though. I can remote play with minimal input lag.

On the lead stories there used to be an average of 1 to 300 comments. That number itself is dropping. This place is kind of dying off. It may pick up again when the console "wars" become interesting again.

[gamertk421]

One can hope.

[cellfluid]

Input lag is only the beginning of the bs that surrounds this game.Major glitches and i cant even get in a game.Madness
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[MrSega]

The difference between 0.104/1.0 to 0.120/1.0 of a second aren't noticeable at all.

[oSHINSAo]

But 900p over 1080p does ?? lol, ESports for Tekken will be on MS Hardware

[MrSega]

We'll see, I think that the difference is so small that they will prefer to user the version with better graphics, we'll need to wait to see which version they will use.

[lifeordeath617]

well Tekken Tag 2 had a 6.0 input delay on Xbox 360 so its not that big of a deal.

[tontontam0]

No problem if you love tekken so much buy go swap your ps4 for an xbox. no one is stopping you, except maybe that other 3rd party games runs better on ps4.

[MagicBeanz]

Well that's it folks, its the end of days.

[Kaiou]

Always been the case , Street Fighter has an even bigger gap. If you have a newer dual shock make sure to connect it by wire .

[Ryuujinjakka]

Don't feed the MS fanboys after midnight or something bad is gonna happen.

[Einhander1971]

The fanboys are out lol 😂

[Grievous]

16 ms is not much higher. Human reaction time is around 200 ms.

[Kaiou]

And the human eye can only see 24 FPS too right? clearly, you don't know what you are talking about. Next time you are near a TV try playing around with the "game mode" and "motion doubling"(that add 20-80ms lag"only") settings and tell me how does that feel .

[DarkKaine]

"meaning there’s almost a whole frame of difference in favor of Microsoft’s console (7.2 frames versus 6.3)."
That's awful, even for xbox. Super Smash Bros. Melee has like 2 frames of input lag, and playing it on a TV that isn't a CRT usually throws everyone off that plays it competitively. How can people play this trash?

[DashArrivals]

If the headline is true, then they'll patch no need to worry.

[oSHINSAo]

If this is about hardware, i think will be imposible

[Yohshida]

Both are way too high for a fighting game. How the freak can you release the game like that?????

[preciousdeath]

Bogus. Digital Foundry compared all versions. They mentioned no input lag, period. I trust these guys and they would've mentioned it if it were the case.

[Visceral89]

Read the Eurogamer article they mention it at the end.

[OpenGL]

Interesting, NXGamer recently had a video showing that many Xbox One games had worse input lag than their PS4 counterparts but clearly it's more complex than "X hardware is better than Y" as there's so much variance from game to game. Prey however at launch anyway had worse input lag on PS4 and now this so who knows what's really going on.

[MadMax]

Played it all night, absolutely runs great! Who the heck comes up with these dumb articles?

[gamer7804]

well if its wireless ps4 and ps4 pro will always have more input lag than xbox, xbox uses wifi direct for the controllers which is much faster than over bluetooth. Now with wired they should be similar, but sounds like an issue w/ the game that i'm sure they will fix.

[Tankbusta40]

The only time Ive noticed the lag was trying to get the ten hit combo trophy. You have to hit the buttons extremely quickly to get them to register. With that being said I won't be using too many ten hit combos to begin with so I'm not too annoyed.

[JasonKCK]

So much for the superior version