We know the tech, we know the engine that drives the car. But is Scorpio a custom Datsun Sports, or a Ferrari with all the extras?
Don't count Microsoft out yet.
i dont think Cuphead on the moment download and VR for Xbox will give them the upper hand (who the F cares about these 2 things)....they need new IPs and New exclusive Japanese IPs ASAP is they want to match at least whatever Sony has to show (however i dont know at what point is this possible) ...
At this point Microsoft needs to match Nintendo first party exclusives imo.
naruga,
I agree Cuphead and VR aren't gonna give them the "upperhand", but neither are Japanese games really. Yeah sure some will like that but history has shown they don't move the needle much for Xbox. New IPs is what they need, yep the big blockbuster AAA western kind. That's why people buy the box....and there's PLENTY of different variety to be found within the western genre's that sell well on Xbox and hasnt been explored. I mean truth is if you like jrpgs and niche Japanese games honestly you're gonna get a ps, if more appear on Xbox, ps will still do that more, so a few on Xbox ain't gonna change nobody mind about where to play Japanese games and IF Microsoft went all out on Japanese games to appease the few theyd likely lose focus on the majority who dont care about jrpgs, niche Japanese games, etc...and frankly that wouldn't be a Xbox, that would be a box trying to be a ps.
No, I'm not against adding diversity with a Japanese game here and there but strategically speaking Japanese games just aren't gonna help Xbox much. There's still 10's of millions of potential untapped gamers out there who havent brought a X1 because Microsoft just hasn't delivered enough core gaming experiences for them and that's who Microsoft needs to speak to with the right kinds of games.
if they announce 3rd party exclusives that if not for microsoft could be on other consoles as well then ill seriously be pissed!!
with what game? dont say bloodborne because the first soul game was co developed by fromsoftware and japan studios so yea every one else should be thankful to sony they get to play souls games on their consoles and pc.
Considering alot of indies that pass up on Xbox and Japanese games that dont release on Xbox because they think their core audience is Japan and Sony paying for all big 3rd party advertising then I wouldnt fault MS for paying for 3rd party exclusives. PS4 fanboys say the Xbox needs Exclusives that they cant play on PC but doesnt want them to come from 3rd party devs. What is the difference with paying for 3rd party exclusives vs paying the salary of 1st party devs for exclusives?
with third party in normal cases the game eg Deadrising3 would have ended up on all consoles anyways. so its MS paying money to 3rd party to NOT release their game on sony console VS paying salary to 1st party studios to develop original games for xbox. look at sony's library of games and how Most of their exclusives have changed the landscape and production level of games u see now.. if not for sony and ps3 exclusives this gen would have been mostly about always online multiplayer games like the division and over watch!
give them the upper hand? feck, they are delusional. it is not gonna cost 399$,because Spencer said him self that it is a premium machine.new IP exclusive? but Spencer said that they not going to have any exclusives,and they do not have them. cuphead? really? :D Fallout VR? seriously?
Phil has also said Scorpio will have the same kind of price consoles have had in recent times, considering from a physical standpoint Scorpio is just a PS4 Pro, with 4 more Compute Units on it's GPU, 50% more GDDR5, a 4K Blu Ray drive and a slightly better cooling solution $399 is very likely the price to make MS a marginal profit, Sony can probably drop the Pro's price to $299 and make a few dollars.
It's premium from the perspective that hardcore fans and tech savvy customers know how it's better than other dedicated gaming devices, not price related.
By exclusives it just means they're games available only on Xbox One or Windows.
Sony will continue to beat them in basically every area, save for hardware after 4 years of having the upperhand, but it's still possible for Sony to make a few tweaks to the Pro to keep that edge, if they feel it's necessary.
Recent times can be as much as $500. That's what they released the X1 at. They had a 360 at that price. Sony had a 500-600 console. So on and so forth. $399 is a possibility if they want to take a loss, but it's just hoping that it comes in at that price.
Would be OK if it does come in at that price. Anything that makes it more competative means more chance to succeed.
XB1's launch price was a major factor they were slammed for, plus it included an unnecessary addition, Scorpio is simply a console and given the succes even Pro's achieved at $399 it would be a missed step to go higher.
PS3 isn't a recent console, it's clearly not in the running as a comparison.
I keep seeing people repeat this point, but it actually isn't accurate, given the costs of the materials that make up Scorpio, we're only talking about 50% more GDDR5, 4 more CUs, a 4K bluray drive and some added cooling, most of the performance upgrades over pro are attributed to the clockspeed difference.
$399 would be a marginal profit point, Pro could likely get well below $349 and still make Sony money now, by the end of the year it'll be ramped up in production, fabs for 16nm will be even more mature and those APU yields will be far better than they are now.
GDDR5 chips will also be more cost effective with PS4, Pro and Scorpio using them.
Worst case scenario $449, if MS wants to gouge early adopters or yields for their APU are low, which is highly unlikely when Scorpio starts mass production. Most importantly $399 is seen as the market wide acceptable and attractive price point.
There could be a 2TB model for $499, but the base will go for the sweet spot IMHO.
New IP
.. that actually release and actually get supported long-term if successful.
Vice President Mike Ybarra of Xbox recently tweeted a pic of Xbox One Scorpio’s processor. The Tweet in question shows the Xbox One Scorpio’s processor which is surprisingly tiny and can be lifted by two fingers. here is the picture of the processor in question.
That´s beautiful! And has a "4K" printed on it! My guess is: for despite what some people here might say, Scorpio will manage to run most games at native 4K.
Only 10 days to go! Can´t wait!
Not sure why you're getting disagrees. MS stated that their design goals for Scorpio included giving developers the choice of running their XB1 games at native 4K. 1080p and 900p games. Developers can also choose not to run them that way too, instead opting for lower pixel density and better pixel quality instead.
Most games will be native 4K. Seems simple enough to me. Anyone care to explain why they disagree?
It would be nice if he tweeted out some exclusive video games for the xbox
GTR, it would be nice if you answered my question... or stayed on topic... or quit trolling... or just kept quiet if you had nothing relevant to add to the conversation. Thanks.
Well, technically, they were down voted, not disagreed with.
But you can also make the case that if they are disagreeing, they're disagreeing with Obscure_Observer stating that they "can't wait". As a matter of fact, they can wait... because they HAVE to. :0)
@darxyde
Well, technically, when I hit the "down vote" arrow, it tells me I disagreed with your comment.
THE PLOT THICKENS
------"GTR, it would be nice if you answered my question... or stayed on topic... or quit trolling... or just kept quiet if you had nothing relevant to add to the conversation. Thanks."----
I guess a nerve was hit. I'm not "trolling" sir but actually being serious and asking why none of these Microsoft Xbox reps haven't talked about any exclusive games coming to Xbox. As a console owner who bought the system and has purchased the ps4 as well it's quite evident who caters more to a wide variety of gamers. Asking why Microsoft reps haven't released or talked about Xbox exclusive titles coming isn't "trolling". You as a fanat-x would think I'm being facetious when asking for games on a video game platform that is lacking of exclusive games
Well, because if you're even vaguely familiar with 4k gaming on PC, you already know that 6 tflops, while adequate, isn't ideal for native 4k gaming, certainly not if you want 60fps as well. Or maybe they don't think it's beautiful? Or maybe they're not looking forward to it at all, in which the disagree would be in response to "Can't wait!". I know it bothers Xbox fans that many people don't care about Scorpio, but it shouldn't. Just play what you like, and don't worry if other people disagree with your excitement.
TheCommentator,
"pixel density and better pixel quality instead"
-That sounds like PR, a pixel is a pixel, I would just leave it at I think most games will be native 4K.
GtR35olution,
- Why would they show their hand now, that's what E3 is for, but you knew that you're just here trolling.
bluefox755
"I know it bothers Xbox fans that many people don't care about Scorpio, but it shouldn't."
-lol that's rich coming form a guy who lives and breathes Scorpio news, yes YOU care, you care alot, lol btw NewMonday is that you?
"instead opting for lower pixel density and better pixel quality instead."
a pixel is a pixel - there is no such thing as "better pixel quality."
"Most games will be native 4K."
are you sure about that?
I didn't agree or disagree agree...
And I don't think it's just sony guys disagreeing. I think its just the over hyping of this whole thing.
Everone knows scorpio will have 4k games...be it native, upscaled, or sparse rendered. But it's been a full on year of only talking about this. Minimal talk of games. Seeing this chip, same chip seem with DF video is old news.
All this talk about 4k, 6tf and the like is very much so played out. It's a win for xbox...but in no way should it be overshadowing actual games. This E3 looks to be a repeat of last year's E3
New xbox hardware, sea of theives, froza, crackdown, cuphead,old games.
I know several xbox guys who don't like that direction. Are sony fans disagreeing....yes but don't think all xbox guys are sitting here hype about old news hardware and old games. Come E3 the power won't matter....if they lack on showing new compelling games more will be disappointed. This drought of games has gone on for far too long. Since the scorpio was announced, games have taken a back seat and specs have taken the forefront with ms. Xbo is 4 years in and thats unacceptable. Show off the scorpio, yes ..but show off games....even if only screenshots...but show them as the fore front. Since the scorpio was announced a year ago....name ONE AAA ip ms announced. Just 1. Since E3 sony announced knack 2, uncharted lost legacy, tlou 2, and shown a screen shot of sucker punches game. Nintendo showed a new mario, xenoblade2, arms, and mario vs rabbids rpg. MS has shown nothing but specs and unclear 4k banter. It's like tvtvtvtvtv all over again but replaced with 4k4k4k4k4k4k4k*
*not nessecarily native
Because there insecure ... I personally don't get it either .... I have had people disagree with the colour of the paint on my wall .... Idiots
Because this site is full of PS fanboys. That's why. If it were a pic of a PS CPU, first comment would be "Amazing" and have 300 upvotes with 2 downvotes.
GtR35 the nerve hitter😂 ok...
All this guy does is ruin threads with the fanboy nonsense. Then when you respond you come away looking like the one. Wth, Lol...
@bluefox755 (one of my favorite trolls on the site)
I'll leave this here for you. From someone who obviously know alot more than you and I!! Enjoy: https://twitter.com/ID_AA_C...
@ pixel quality comments
-Sorry, I meant image quality! 😅
@ Blue Fox
- Why mention 4K 60 when you know it's possible already? It's simple, 30fps on XB1 means 30fps on Scorpio in 4K. 60fps on XB1 means 60fps on Scorpio in 4K. FYI, Scorpio already runs Forza 6 at 4K 60 with Ultra+ settings.
@ King
Right, games will be shown at E3. Now we're talking about what we know, which is that it is 4K capable for any dev who chooses, unlike Pro which can't handle 4K without compromizes to image quality.
"PFFT 6h ago Inappropriate
Cause Xbox i think. You are in N4Sonygamers land."
and right below
"GtR35olution 6h ago (Edited 6h ago)
It would be nice if he tweeted out some exclusive video games for the xbox"
@Bluefox
If you're familiar with the differences in console and PC you know a closed system like consoles with a specific optimization target and a custom architecture is not the same. A PC is using a better CPU. But a console using an APU that's custom built for gaming, with an OS custom built for it with drastically increased bandwidth and shared reading and writing of the memory is a different beast all together. So if PC can do it sometimes without those things, Scorpio should be capable of it in most of it's games.
Maybe it has to do with the fact MS has "stated" lots of things and many of them turned out to be not true, just because MS states something doesn't mean its going to happen.
Patients people, calm down It's. 10 days to go for E3, you don't eat the birthday cake 🎂 before the party and you never it until the day and moment in all it delicious cakinesss, well that's the Scorpio, any games been shown before the event is most likely to be seen at the event so patiently calm down and wait.
P.S. remember all games that are on of x1 runs on Scorpio ♏ so whatever games you have seen lately well be on the system.
Printing "4K" right on the chip leaves little doubt that resolution is their priority, not better frame rate (which is MY priority).
My Samsung 65" KS9000 is ready to go. I can't WAIT to see what Scorpios going to look like on this TV.
A true 4K console gaming experience from the comfort of my couch.
@ kingthrash360
Sounds like you're going from one article to the next trolling my comments.
Good luck with that bro 👍
Oh, and you answered your own question in another comment you made:
"Everone knows scorpio will have 4k games"
@kingthrash
"Whats "true 4k" mean"
It means "more 4K than the PS4 PRO".
You welcome 😊
It means more 4k than the pro? Lol ok.
So when phil says the scorpio is "the only true 4k console" he means more 4k games than the pro?
By that logic then the ps4 is the "true gaming console"..y'know since it has more games.
Or the xbox is "the true game canceling console " because it's cancelled more.
Or xbox one is " the true 720p" console
Or the switch is " the true competition to ps4 this year" since it won more months than xbox this year.....and so on
Got my PC hooked up to the same TV and true native 4K looks great
@Kingthrash360
"Hey maybe you know this...
Whats "true 4k" mean?"
You keep asking this and people explain it to you but then you just keep asking. It's become very obvious you don't want an answer and instead keeping up your own agenda.
Then when anyone does bite you go off on a rant about cancelled games or who their true competitors are. You have no purpose in this thread other than to stir up controversy.
Are you explaining it or are you spewing out nonsense like septic did above?
True 4k means more 4k games than the pro.....lol you guys have no clue how much phil mind rekd you.
Phil- PR genius
Yeah moldy, it was explained multiple times to him just days ago, need one from 343, 3days ago:
It means 2160p
Not 1440p, not 1800p, not checkboarding 2160p
http://n4g.com/news/2062115...
-Yet he still ptetends he wants an answer, when it's clear he's just butthurt because Scorpio is a mote powerful console than ps4pro, lol its OK kid, just breathe and let it go, your ps4 still will work.
@ MegamanXXX
That's solid, I wanted to go the 4K PC route too but I'd have to do some substantial upgrades to my PC , enjoy though! It's definitely a great TV to game on!!
i can't see how anyone is questioning scorpios 4k capabilities after DF tear down
Microsoft has this thing brute forcing all older 1080p & 900p games to native 4k
whatcha thinks going to happen with new ip's built from the ground up with DX12
this i can't wait to see... get the popcorn ready the show is about to commence🙂
4show....
It wasn't explained. ...2160p is a resolution the ps4pro has done....phil said the scorpio is the only console that's true 4k.....so it can't mean that.
Smh
for real? i just plug my pc to my sony bravia 4k tv and i run a lot of stuff in 4k...and by the way i hope you enjoy scorpio...but if no games than i dont know for what...because my pro as well looks beautiful with the great exclusives games i can play as well...
I think MS understand they can't mess this one up the Scorpio will be as powerful as they say because it has to be
ps4 pro also runs some games at native 4k, and has been out for months and is a lot cheaper than the scorpio and has loads of great games
why wait 10 days when what you want is already out
Reminds me of Barry from Resident Evil investigating the blood on the floor... 🤔
An hour later... 🤔
So is this a thing now? Is interesting gonna become a meme around here? Well don't forget me!!
Interesting
Veeeery interesting....BUT STUPID!
The real question everybody is asking though is how does it actually taste.
You have to get to the center of it to find out, but how many licks does that take? I'll go find Mr. Owl...
A fine braised lamb chop cooked in red wine, sauteed in garlic and honey....or just chicken.
Paul from DJ writes "On this week’s episode of the DJ Podcast we discuss the delay of Red Dead Redemption 2. Also making news is the Xbox Scorpio and how developers can choose higher frame rates for Scorpio versions of games. This plus more on the DJ Podcast."
Win back which gamers? The gap between PS4 & XO is smaller than 2 million in the US so it's not going to do much there. Not to mention Scorpio sure as hell isnt going to make the Xbox brand more viable in Europe, Asia, and RoW.
There's not a huge sea of gamers that are going to pay for a premium iterative console when it still features less games than PS4.
i think microsoft is in very difficult and very sensitive position. their xbox brand is undergoing dark period of time with no interesting exclusive games coming out soon beside xbox one now is overshadowed by the ps4 with its awesome list of exclusives and now they have uncovered the specs inside their new high end system which is honestly quiet impressive. the well acknowledged gamers won't go out and buy the xbox one s because they will know that there will be a better xbox system coming out at the end of the year and this may in fact deepens the xbox brand problems and will slow the xbox one sales even further. the pricing will be very critical and decisive. if it is 500$ or more , then only die hard xbox fans will going to buy the scorpio. and if it is priced somewhere between 400$-450$ , it may have a good chance but even though the ps4 brand will be more attractive this year because of the impressive upcoming exclusive games. my guessing is that the scopio will be more attractive in 2018 but again we may start to hear rumours and news about ps5 and this again will limit the impact of the scorpio.
I think people know from a technological point of view the Xbox Scorpio is a beast. I myself will retire my day one Xbox One in favor of the Scorpio.
Overall, here are the areas that Microsoft has nailed in the last few months.
Pros
Xbox One Game Pass
Xbox One OS update
Xbox Beam Stream
Xbox One GWG
Indies love ID@Xbox
In my opinion, they are winning all the time with great announcements and great games. I believe E3 will be great for Microsoft.
Note can't wait to see State of Decay, Crackdown 3 and Sea of Thieves on the Scorpio.
It's funny how i see more sony fanboys on xbox articles than anyone else. It really shows how much they don't play their games lol. They just scour n4g until the next xbox article comes to tell us why they aren't getting the scorpio lmao.
Win back gamers this time would need that at E3 Microsoft drop not one, not two but 3 or 4 nukes:
First: exclusive Red dead 2, COD, Destiny, Battlefield at least 6 months. Where can you play? only on Microsoft Consoles. The biggest games of the Year timed exclusive!!!!
Second: Drop the price of the Xbox One to 199 with a game bundled and Scorpio priced between 349 and 399
Everything else wont make any impact whatsoever, because State of decay, crackdown and Sea of Thieves arent system sellers and the hype is equal to Recore. And another Forza 4k edition will sell the same as the last games a couple of millions.