Randy Pitchford defends the fact that Krieg isn't part of the Borderlands 2 Season Pass

Randy Pitchford, President of Gearbox Software, today defended the fact that the latest “Borderlands 2” playable character class DLC isn’t offered as part of the game’s Season Pass. On May 15, Pitchford responded to fan complaints on Twitter regarding Krieg’s omission from the Season Pass. Since the “Borderlands 2” Season Pass was first announced, the offer stated that the pass would entitle fans to four story DLC add-ons. Randy Pitchford equated expecting to receive more than that with the following analogy, "It’s like asking: ‘I bought a coupon for four happy meals, but now that you offer a new salad, why don’t I get that too?’"

[Nightfallen]

For those that are arguing that season pass should have included every piece of dlc, they told us what it included before you bought the pass..

[dazzrazz]

Best solution will be simply buying those games year from the release date as GOTY editions for $40 or $60 bucks unless you planning to throw $115 at them instantly.

[showtimefolks]

I will be doing that with a lot of games. Gearbox have lost a true consumer in me

I bought 2 limited editions for borderlands 2, and its it even that great of a game. I loved the 1st borderlands now with the 2nd one you don't get great weapons or loot unless you are willing to grind and beat boss 10 times just to get one rare weapon

Gearbox season pass or not I could careless but the moment you charged people for level cap Iincrease is when I lost all respect for y'all. First aliens game now dealing of DLC mess with borderlands 2

Gearbox went froma fan favorite to a very greedy looking company

I will think twice before supporting your future games.

Fetch quests
All day long in borderlands 2

[BakedGoods]

...or, unless your a broke teenager, understand the fact that $115 is a great deal if you're grabbing 40-50 hours out of the game.

That's equivalent to say, 11 trips to McDonalds, or 9 theatre tickets, or 6 Blu-rays, or hell, 3 trips to the gas station---PER YEAR.

When you put it into perspective, if it's a game you enjoy, on average it'll be worth the price, especially when the entertainment lasts *YEARS*.

[forcefullpower]

No its not a good deal even for cash strapped person. For that money they could have bought at least another full priced minimum.

Wish people would stop supporting companies that nickle and dime us.

Here's a solution that was used in the past that was always successful. Give out free DLC for your game will bring people back to buy your next release in a year or two's time.

[showtimefolks]

Forcefullpower

No doubt man some people love handing money to these developers/publishers but when it's a game they hav no interest in tries to charge people than they make blogs and have issues with stuff

Gearbox went from fan favorite to one that has lost a lot of its momentum

Also play borderlands 2 and tell me if ts not most festh quests, without a lot of major reward, most good items or weapons they expect you to grind for them

First borderlands was a tech demo without any story but atleast t rewarded players and its DLC was much better but now DLC is rushed,charge for level cap increase and not everything is part of season pass

If I am putting $30-35 for season pass you better believe I spect all DLC to be part of it, why? Bacause I am giving my money upfront for wha could be content not worth the price

So we are taking risk investing menu in season passes so give us all th content in that package

Gearbox has turned into EA trying to nickel and dime us for every little thing

[Diver]

Nightfalen - then it ain't a season pass and naming it that was intentionally misleading. Not every ad for the season pass explained it either.

Season pass is synonymous with everything an Screw box knew this.

I traded mine early on - dumbest ai ever - but this is wrong.

[Blacklash93]

If you're going to criticize Borderlands 2 for boring and unrewarding fetch quests, you're going to have a field day doing the same with the first one.

I think Borderlands 2 was a signficantly better game than the first, despite the loot rarity drop rates being out of whack.

That said, Gearbox has been dropping the ball with the DLC big time. They've outsourced all of them so far and none of them really live up to the main game. And on top of that you have all these extra packs trying to bleed more money out of customers.

[MikeyDucati1]

@showtimefolks

Honestly that is absurd. And while you utter threats, you will still play borderlands 2. You will still purchase Gearbox games

What does Aliens have to do with this game? You know, honestly, its people like you that are going to sour the relationship between gamers and developers to where they will make sure at every instance they get their money without thinking about putting out some extras for us. Why? Cause you gamers complain about things that you have already been given information for.

They told you what the season pass entailed. Did you read that? No, you didn't. You expected a season pass to be literally that. A pass that would include every single thing that they put out for DLC. And my god, you are so wrong.

They are business first and foremost. They weren't always a fan favorite until Borderlands so what is this with this baby fit you are having? Now limited edition borderlands 2 is not that even a great of game all because they aren't giving Krieg as part of the season pass.

Krieg was not there from the beginning. It was a character conjured over time. You act like they had some devious plans to get more money out of you.

Next time understand what you are buying. Actually read what is included in your season pass next time instead of thinking that your bought season pass covers every single thing they distribute through DLC

Horrible. I'm sick of gamers complaining about things that they could have simply avoided but did not due to their lack of reading comprehension, common sense and just simply thinking everything is entitled to them. In actuality it's people like you that is turning these companies into greedy monsters who must make their money quickly before the bratty ones take to their online forums and blogs with complaints

[showtimefolks]

Yes it's us the gamers who are wrong and not these greedy bastards who show us a game demo which is polished not to release utter shit to their consumers and are rightfully being sued now

I finished borderlands 2 and started a 2nd playthrough but honest opinn being ts not as good as 1st one when it comes to rewarding payers with loot. If that's complaining than so be it. Gearbox saw the success of borderlands 2 and went aboard to make plans to charge for every little thing

Level cap raise should have been free
And if the 1st character was part of the DLC than why is this we one not?

It's gamers like us who make sure publishers/developers don't take advantage of us, while is gamers like you who are too good to complain about anything and pony up and pay for every little thing

Us its people like us who are the bad ones and not these greedy bastards who if they would have their way would charge for every thing after us paying $60 bucks.

I don't even care about this character class what bothers me is the fact people had to pay for level raise caps which isn't right no matter how you spin it

And maybe you are new to the party but we have been with gearbox long before borderlands, maybe you have heard of brothers in arms which is a military shooter where story actual matters with a lot of emotions

I have been a gamer for 23 plus years and at no point have I seen more publishers/developers trying to take advantage of the gamers and ts idiots like you who defend them

Metro last light $5 for added mode
Resident evil 5 on disk DLC
Online pass(thankfully EA is changing and that's because of our complaining)

We are passionate about out hobby and will raise our voice when someone is trying to take advantage of us, maybe you like paying for every little thing but there are still developers who care about their fans and gearbox isn't part of that elite group anymore

[MikeyDucati1]

@showtimefolks

All of that is just terrible. You sound spoiled. Characters were not included in the season pass. You wrote all of that and yet, characters were not promised in the season's pass.

The Borderlands 2 Season Pass allows users who purchase it to access the FOUR DLC packs for Borderlands 2 at a reduced cost compared to purchasing them separately as soon as they become available.

All that you typed and you still missed the point. You just wrote an entitlement rant. El Terrible

[dumahim]

@showtimefolks
"And if the 1st character was part of the DLC than why is this we one not?"

It wasn't. It was free to people who pre-ordered. It was never a part of the season pass. Why is this so difficult for people to understand?

Take advantage of you? They told you exactly what you'd get with the purchase of the season pass. They gave us MORE then they said we'd get out of it by including the level cap increase. And people get up in arms like we're being ripped off.

They don't owe you or anyone anything for free. They did it before. That doesn't mean they always have to do so.

[MikeyDucati1]

Oh Randy. I'm sorry buddy. They are just pitching a fit to you over that Aliens: CM fiasco, I truly believe. Such spoiled brats the gaming community is. But it's just shows how much parenting is going on in these kids homes. It is my belief that no mature adult gamer would complain about this. Maybe some but not like these kids who don't read anything or listen to anything and expect the platter to be full of their favorite treats everytime they call for it.

[Nodoze]

Mikey, just because you have money to throw away on fancy motorcycles and game DLC does not make it right. Showtime was simply stating that this generation has been filled with nickel and dime tactics (thanks again to Microsoft for introducing the micro transaction) against the gamers.

I for one have not and will not support ANY form of DLC. I have been able to wait for game of the year editions/special editions and get ALL of it plus the game for a significantly reduced price.

Anyone who pre-orders, and pays for things like a season pass are simply being ripped off. Wait and you will get it all at a reduced price.

[Zepherite]

If no-one had bought the game and its DLC originally, it's unlikely that you would be getting GOTY edition.

[DevilishSix]

Mikey

Clearly sir, you have not played the abomination that is Aliens CM

[just-joe]

I look forward to playing all this... when the GOTY edition comes out.

[Skate-AK]

That is why you always read the fine print.

[Seafort]

Maybe they shouldn't have included the first character, Mechromancer, for free for alot of people that pre-ordered.

It doesn't add any more content just a new character design and skills.

I won't be buying Psycho character for £8 even though I bought the season pass. It seems to be a rip off to me.

[Dark_Overlord]

Come on Randy, hurry up and announce the GOTY edition. I'd rather pay £29.99 for a game with all the content on the disc than regular absurd payments (£8 for a character is taking the P)

[DarthJay]

In my opinion, you can't call something a "SEASON PASS" without included EVERYTHING you release that "season." I don't care how specific you are with something that you plan to include as part of it, people buy these "Season Passes" in good faith, usually without even seeing what the final product they will be buying is, and to see Gearbox release all this content outside of the Season Pass is really frustrating. It's not about $10 or the $15 in gauging they did on the skin packs, it's about principle.

If they called it the "Expansion Pass" or "Game Add-On Pass" or something that implied it was limited simply to the big packages, then I would have an easier time accepting all the stuff they are making people pay for outside of the Season Pass. Sometimes it really does come down to semantics.

I agree that they were very specifically clear in what they said would be in the "Season Pass," but that doesn't make it right. NetherRealm just started pulling the same crap, and that one makes me even more upset, because not only are they releasing all these skin packs outside of their "Season Pass," they are ended up giving me crappy new characters I don't want.

These companies deserve backlash.

[Galletto3]

The company is about making money first, then pleasing the customer. That $30 for season pass when the game comes out is worth more than the $40 for individually buying them.

Thats why I never buy season passes. Its a rip off. Especially when you dont know what kind of quality each DLC is.

[LAWSON72]

We know why already it is because it took over 10000 hrs to make this character.

[DevilishSix]

Randy is a ******bag

[cleft5]

Hey guys buy our season pass, but don't expect to get all the dlc we are releasing with that season pass. Honestly, the whole thing is scummy on Gearbox part. If they want to pull this none sense than call the pass something other than a season pass.

If I buy a season pass for Baseball, then guess what? I get to go to every single game for free with that Season Pass. They should have just charged more for the Season Pass and made damn sure all the content that was release for the game was included. Or they could have had two tiers of Season Pass, one that include 3 stories for the price 4 and another that include all the dlc released. Instead of being honest with people they just nickled and dime folks out of their hard earned money.

[InTheLab]

Or you could have read what they were offering and passed on it if it's not to your liking?

[cleft5]

You know what, it's called being honest and not deceptive by omission. For instance, people brought that Season Pass thinking they where getting dlc that was going to be specifically developed in-house by Gearbox. The same way folks brought that Alien's game thinking that it was going to be specifically developed in-house by Gearbox.

Instead, you got dlc that was develop by some studio Gearbox outsourced the dlc too. And then they have the nerve to make a big deal about how the 4th content is going to be developed exclusive in-house. Guess what? All of the dlc should have been made in-house. But hey Gearbox still wrote the script for all the content and after it was finished they looked it over, so thats the same thing right? No it isn't and the flippant casual attitude that you should have to read the fine print is none sense. How about Gearbox and every other gaming company just be open and honest and allow their consumers the chance to make an informed decision, without having to read the fine print.

[PFFT]

This actually sucks cause so far we have gotten 3 Shitty DLC for the season pass. But once they release a piece of DLC that actually looks like it will be great they say its not part of the Season pass. Well FCK YOU GEARBOX!!!!!!!!

[InTheLab]

The DLC is better than the main campaign and Krieg is awesome. The maps are designed much like the original Borderlands and are superior to the main campaign in every way. There's even a vault after each of them which makes them superior to Knoxx (without having to raid Clawmy), Dr. Ned, and Claptrap DLC from the original.

Gearbox actually did nothing wrong in this case. You can't expect to pay $30 for 4 maps, 2 characters, a new game mode, 2 challenge maps, custom heads/skins....especially when right there on the pass, it says 4 maps for the price of 3.

[InTheLab]

Look...making everyone pay for a harder difficulty was BS at it's finest. The whole Aliens thing was a mess and probably forever tarnished Gearbox's rep. Duke Nukem was flat out embarrassing....

But this. This is simply a case of looking before you leap. It says, clear as day, that you are paying for the maps and only the maps....with the level cap increase being a bonus for season pass holders (still BS).

Bitch about the level cap...not a whole new character.

[cleft5]

Looking before you leap? No one would have a problem with this move if Gearbox would have been very vocal and specific about the fact that there would be DLC that would not be included with the Season Pass. They didn't do that because they wanted folks to blindly buy the season pass. Yes the information was there, but it certainly wasn't put out front for you to obviously find it.

I did some reading so I knew this was coming, the average consumer doesn't do that sort of reading. Gearbox and every other company knows this and they prey upon this fact. It's an unacceptable practice that needs to stop.

[InTheLab]

The average consumer doesn't read so that's Gearbox's fault?

[Saryk]

For now on, i'll just wait!

[outlawlife]

While in this case it is clearly stated what you pay for in the season pass i have to side with gearbox.

But to anyone who hasn't realized yet that Pitchford is barely more than a snake oil salesman then you need to pay more attention.

The guy dodges every hard question about A:CM at every turn.

GB and Pitchford will take your money anyway they can get it. Whether it is spelled out rightfully, as it is here, or in an underhanded manner like Aliens.

Never trust a magician.