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Xbox 720 and PlayStation 4 Secrets Allegedly Leaked to Nvidia by Former AMD Executives

Over the last year, AMD executives have been abandoning ship for rival Nvidia, and according to a new lawsuit, they took confidential information about the Xbox 720 and PlayStation 4 with them. Engadget reports that AMD has filed suit against four ex-employees, claiming that the executives absconded with thousands of confidential documents, including sensitive information about technologies at use in next-gen consoles. As our well-placed sources told us last year, custom silicon based on AMD's A8-series APU and HD 7670 GPU will be used in the PlayStation 4, while the Xbox 720 will combine an IBM PowerPC CPU and a custom version of AMD's 6670 GPU.

bicfitness4135d ago

Eew. I know you squeeze more out of closed-system architecture, but both those GPUs are crap by any modern standards. I don't understand the point of next-gen consoles if they'll be offering low-mid range PC graphics. That's what the current ones do now.

TheGamerDood4135d ago (Edited 4135d ago )

"7670 GPU will be used in the PlayStation 4, while the Xbox 720 will use a 6670 GPU."

If the rumors are true and it's looking like they are then the PS4 will have a higher clocked CPU, beefier GPU and faster ram than the next Xbox. Yikes! I hate to say but it looks like those whispers of MS abandoning the core and focusing mainly on the casual market may have been true. D: If I'm wrong on this then please feel free to correct me on this.

which might explain comments like these that have been trickling in from devs lately.

Xbox 720 tech won't be as "obvious" a leap
http://n4g.com/news/1155981...

Muffins12234135d ago (Edited 4135d ago )

Right....that may be true just like last gen but as long as sony has alienating hardware to develope for compared to pc and xox360, multi platform games will look better on next gen for xbox just because it will be easier to develop for.....besides,both of them are kinda weak in my opinion,so i dont know why stupid fan-boys like you are arguing over which console is less shitty lol..

DEATHSTROKE-cro-4134d ago

@Muffins

damn, are you stupid or what ? XD
you can see that PS4 won't use Cell and will be like a PC. so there will be no problem with making games for PS4. LOL

TheGamerDood4134d ago (Edited 4134d ago )

@mylittlemuffin

You're basing this all on the hopes that Sony will go with proprietary set up? Sorry my friend but they've decided on AMD hardware for that very reason of making it easier on the devs. Aww so much for that little theory of yours. *sadface*

Tacklebait4134d ago

When i try and google the difference between the 6670 and the 7670, I find some articles saying they are pretty much card in specs just rebranded.

So does this make these gpus equally capable in this rumored situation?

Not very techy here, i'm just a gamer.

bicfitness4134d ago

Tackle, see my below post for an explanation.

nukeitall4134d ago

There were some rumors about next Xbox having a 8000 series graphics card too. Like anything, it's not just the graphics card, but overall package to balance the system out.

That's the benefit of designing more specialized hardware as opposed to a general purpose system like PCs.

green4134d ago

@Tacklebait : You are absolutely right. The 7670 is a rebranded 6670. They are exactly the same.

HappyTrigger4134d ago (Edited 4134d ago )

LOL! First it's an IBM PowerPC, then an AMD jaguar. Or a 6670, then an 8000 series. Gotta love these speculations. Right now the specs I (and many others) see for the Xbox 720 are:

8-core AMD Jaguar 1.6GHz
8GB DDR3 + 32/64MB eDRAM (Though ESRAM seems to be floating around a lot lately)
1.2 TFLOP GPU

If that's "abandoning the core", then I'm shocked. Seems like a pretty beefy console to me.

DeadlyFire4134d ago (Edited 4134d ago )

AMD 7670/6670 (768 Gigaflops) = to AMD Trinity GPU spec basically which is about (763 Gigaflops). http://www.pcper.com/review...

That + another GPU could range drastically from 1 Tflop up to 3-4 Tflops. Say they go for max. AMD Trinity(768 Gigaflops) + AMD 8850(2.99 Tflops) = 3.758 Tflops

Then again it could work out for Xbox 720 with AMD Trinity + Mid power GPU + PowerPC CPU from IBM for Xbox 720. Say Power7+ at 32nm + AMD Trinity + GPU.

That's pretty big speculation and would lead one to think Sony might have a setup like that as well since they filled a patent for Dynamic context switching they could have an upgraded Cell or Power7 setup to emulate a Power series/Cell 2 like CPU + AMD Trinity/Kaveri + GPU.

Then again all of that seems like a little bit of a stretch. Could be a new trend with co-processing and big/little processing plans. Possibly with HSA making it all work in unison. If true.

zebramocha4134d ago

@happy Yeah your right,if the ps4 & 720 weren't suppose to come out until 2013 or 2014 then these specs seem weird sense they should be talking about amd 7000 series.

Saigon4134d ago

DeadlyFire,

I have to agree with your comment on both systems. For some reason I have a feeling MS and Sony will provide some sort of similar structure.

I made a comment a while ago that Sony could somehow apply the setup you suggested. That APU chip will be interesting once we find out what is housed in there.

daniel8564134d ago

@thegamerdood the GPU in the ps4 is garbage.the 7670 is just a re-branded radeon hd 6670 with a few enhancements on it thats it. that gpu is garbage and not powerful at all. its a low end GPU. if you think that the ps4 will be better than the 720 graphically because its using the 7670 you're sadly mistaken . again the 7670 is the 6670 but re-branded and a few new features thats all. no difference.

nirwanda4134d ago

@happytrigger I also hear it will have a separate sound to take off even more work off the cpu, on the 360 the sound processing took over most of one of the cores on the 360, and some other things to help the gpu out

ABizzel14134d ago

I seriously hope this isn't true. I hope they go with the 8000M, because if they don't I'm building a new PC this year, and I'll wait for these consoles.

There are too many rumors floating around, and I have to say I'm more willing to believe IGN's, now that there are lawsuits going on between AMD and former AMD employees who now work for NVIDIA (their enemy).

However, it has been stated numerous times that there have been multiple SKU's and these could have been some of the older SKU's, and things could have gotten better.

If not it's PC for me, until I see a library of games for the consoles.

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bicfitness4134d ago (Edited 4134d ago )

These are around 480 stream processing, MID range (low, in the 720's case) cards from 2011, 2012. Only on N4G can you get disagrees for stating facts.

Here you go. Read some links and educate yourselves.

http://videocardz.com/ati/r...

That's the "better" card in the PS4 - supposedly. Look at the 3D Mark and Vantage scores. Those are tests that indicate the rough graphical capabilities of the cards. Just to give you an idea, my Sager laptop (680m) has a 3D Mark score of 7000. On a LAPTOP, with an OS hogging resources. The 7670 gets up to 2000 max. Higher is better.

A 7670 is not a good video card. That is a fact. It is mid to low tier. They are budget cards and you often see the mobile versions crammed into $399 laptops. They only saving grace would be if Sony double GPU'd it, because the functionality is better in that case - but still not up to anything remarkable.

Omega Zues4134d ago

There will be two video cards for it. The A8 or rumored A10 Processor has a GPU built in it. Using a 7670.

The question is, will it be cross-fired or X-fire set-up for it.

wishingW3L4134d ago (Edited 4134d ago )

I knew the jump was going to be small but NOT THIS SMALL!! I was expecting 800 pipelines minimum but only 480? That's like a 40 dollars card for god's sake! These next gen consoles CAN'T cost more than $300 I tell you if not then that's a rip-off just like the Wii U. ;______;

An APU (which has super weak CPU processing that can't even compete with the Xbox's CPU) paired with an HD 7670m... That's waaaayyy too weak!

NintyJazz4134d ago

So even if a console has great games on it, you'd consider it a rip off because it's not very powerful? Today's "gamers" are disappointing.

IAmTheBest354134d ago

its not a ripoff if it has amazing games. thats what youre buying the system for.. GAMES, not specs. tard.

fermcr4134d ago

* sigh *

Another day, another leak.
Do people still believe these stupid leaks ?

Qrphe4134d ago

A 7670 is definitely not low end, not yet at least.

bicfitness4134d ago

Performance wise it is. It has less than 25% of the stream processors of a 7990 (2048). I'm not sure by what standards you think that isn't mid>low, but it is. Unless you know nothing about PCs. Plus the RAM clocks are miserably low. And by winter 2013, a 7670 will will certainly be outdated.

morkendo234134d ago

shit, everyone expecting NEXT GENERATION cpu,gpu,higher clarity graphic's and what not. seem to me if everyone wish came true SONY-MICROSOFT console would be 1200.00 or more. average consumer not able to afford it at the present economy time, just appreciate what we can get ps4 -720 probably be tweeked enough for illusion of 4k resolution.

it is only REAL to the mind that believe in the delusion of a illusion.

ziggurcat4134d ago

"Eew. I know you squeeze more out of closed-system architecture, but both those GPUs are crap by any modern standards. I don't understand the point of next-gen consoles if they'll be offering low-mid range PC graphics."

so what? the question is whether it's better than what current gen consoles have. if the answer is "yes", then who cares...

and stop comparing what goes into a console with what goes into a high-end PC because they're not the same thing, nor will they ever be the same thing.

lfclee4134d ago

There is not much between them and the wii u ?

lfclee4134d ago

I am not going to bother wasting my money the next gen why ? Well when you look at it the next gen is about 20 % more powerful than the wii u , you are not going to notice it at all and i have a wii u .

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BitbyDeath4135d ago (Edited 4135d ago )

Funny how all these supposed leaked specs are different from one another.

Next up i want to see a baby Elephant included or no deal.

iamnsuperman4134d ago (Edited 4134d ago )

My source says it will make coffee for you and also tell you it loves you. True story as I have "well placed sources" too

In all seriousness though everyone wants to be a source and these websites really do not check the validity of the sources before reporting on them

BanBrother4134d ago

And we can call the elephant Stampy Junior!!!

NintyJazz4134d ago

This is an IGN leak, and despite what you may think of their journalism, they usually only report on rumors which have circumstantial and substantial evidence to support their validity.

FlyingFoxy4134d ago (Edited 4134d ago )

My laptop has a 5870M in it, pretty sure it's more powerful than the mid end cards they will be using in the consoles.. but then it's not much a surprise.

My desktop has the 5870 in it which is even more powerful than the mobile version.. probably walk all over these consoles.

On my laptop i can play Black Mesa full settings 1080P and the most it drops to is around 40FPS and is usually a nice 60+. Very good for a laptop, but i doubt consoles will handle that and 60+FPS constant.

bicfitness4134d ago

That is a great card, even today, and yes, it is better than either of these, certain DX11 features aside.

Omega Zues4134d ago

Right now im using two 5870s and im still amazed at how well they perform.

badkolo4134d ago

why dont we wait untilwe here the real specs and not leaked mis info, until its a fact this is all rumors

tehpees34134d ago (Edited 4134d ago )

It doesn't surprise me. I and many others have called this. Its silly to think when development costs get higher and higher you can keep expanding on power. What people want is more RAM.

I think next gen engines will be made to be more flexible. And I am not convinced Wii U would suffer much even if the consoles significantly outclass it. It will rule the Japanese market so developers there would naturally go there by default and its been proven all too often that power actually proves to slow down your console sales due to being more expensive.

if it was about power PS1 would not have outsold N64. PS2 would not have outsold Xbox and Gamecube. PS3 would not have fallen so far behind like it did at the start of this gen. PSP would have outsold DS. And Vita wouldn't be struggling as much as it is at the moment. So is there any real sense making the kind of leap we had before? Especially when you are bundling Kinect 2.0 in.

It would mean more expensive games (the kinds of prices we paid for N64 games £70), more re-releasing and DLC nickle and diming and more developers closing down so it just isn't worth going through with to please a small group of graphics lovers.

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Nintendo says Switch 2 will be officially announced before the end of March 2025

This is Furukawa, President of Nintendo. We will make an announcement about the successor to Nintendo Switch within this fiscal year. It will have been over nine years since we announced the existence of Nintendo Switch back in March 2015. We will be holding a Nintendo Direct this June regarding the Nintendo Switch software lineup for the latter half of 2024, but please be aware that there will be no mention of the Nintendo Switch successor during that presentation.

Profchaos6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

I'm excited for a switch 2 however I don't feel it will be coming this year as per the tweet in they are commuting to a reveal in this Japanese financial year in 2025.

Realistically we will get one last holiday season to focus on the switch because it would be madness for Nintendo to go into the holidays where the switch always performs well when they have announced a switch 2.

I'm thinking we see a announcement late Jan 25 personally with a release between March and June depending on when the software is ready and how strong the holday sales were if they need to boost those figures for the next earnings call or not

gold_drake6d ago

yea agreed. they'll probably match it with the new pkmn game they announced

VenomUK6d ago

So it begins!

Where one contender pulls out of the game, another comes back bigger and stronger.

Nintendo Switch 2 - let the games begin.

Cacabunga5d ago

A new Splatoon launch title for sure.. hoping they change the recipe and make it open world.

I think it’ll come out Q1 25. Let’s wait and see

H96d ago

There's a event in June for games on the switch and they said there won't be a switch 2 announcement so no way they will announce the console after june and still release it in the same year

Eonjay6d ago

So, I think they will shoot for another FYQ4 release (like with the first Switch) but I am confused by the headline:

'[...] Switch 2 will be officially ANNOUNCED before the end of March 2025' This implies that the Switch 2 isn't coming out till maybe holiday 2025 or maybe even 2026. I think they will be better served by NOT releasing when GTA 6 launches (unless there is some shocking reveal that it will run on Switch 2). Release early 2025.

Neonridr6d ago

I'd say it'll be released before March 2025 tbh.

notachance6d ago

Holiday announcement with summer launch

thesoftware7306d ago

It should be an interesting year; Sony, Nintendo, and MS all have new Hardware to show.

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PS5 Pro specs leak video taken down by Sony

Sony is taking actions as video by Moore’s Law is Dead, has been issued with a copyright claim.

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andy8526d ago

And people say it's all fake because Sony haven't said anything 😂 conveniently forget the PS4 Pro was only announced 2 months before release.

BeHunted26d ago

It's fake. There's no factual evidence other than his own made up specs.

Hereandthere26d ago

What were the specks Sony was afraid of showing?

Shikoku26d ago (Edited 26d ago )

Digital foundry put a video out saying what he leaked was exactly what they also knew about the PS5 PRO. So no it's not just stuff he made up

Babadook726d ago (Edited 26d ago )

If it’s fake what copyright does MLID infringe upon?

😂

andy8526d ago

Aye because they'd go to the effort of copyright claiming it if it didn't exist 🙃😂 you'd have to be a special kind to be thinking its not a thing by now

Cacabunga26d ago

They need to reveal it with uncharted killzone or a heavy hitter like this

Ironmike26d ago (Edited 26d ago )

U mean the specs that we'll established digital foundry which said these are the actual specs published a video on 2 weeks ago I mean they are only one of most trusted sites for tech information but they just made up a video for the sake of it

Christopher26d ago

I would love for it all to be fake, but lots of people are saying they've seen/heard the same thing. But, man, we 100% don't need mid-gen upgrades when we're failing hard to optimize current hardware.

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Seraphim25d ago (Edited 25d ago )

if I recall Sony lowered sales expectations for PS5 earlier this year. if that is the case we won't hear anything about a Pro until next year or shortly before/when it's dropping. After all, if the Pro was dropping this year/fiscal year they wouldn't have lowered expectations.

As for squashing rumors. Yeah, shit like this prevents potential buyers from adopting now, just like slim rumors in the past. It only makes sense to keep things under wraps from a business perspective. Despite living in a technological age of unfettered access to information we don't need to know whats going on behind closed doors be that at Sony, Nintendo, MS, or amongst any development studios. When the steak is done we shall feast.

JackBNimble25d ago

By the time games are actually made to take advantage of the pro spec's the ps6 will be released or close to it.

jznrpg26d ago (Edited 26d ago )

Just announce it already! I want to preorder one asap. But in reality they don’t want to lessen PS5 sales until Pro is ready to launch so I understand the business part of it. September is probably when they announce it with an early November launch like the PS4 Pro

Ironmike26d ago

Pro won't lessen sales sames ps4 pro never and the ps4 pro was more relevant at the time cos move to 4k this not needed

RaidenBlack26d ago (Edited 26d ago )

Yea, my brother got his PS4 (coz of a good deal) after the PS4 Pro's release.

darthv7226d ago

^^same here. I got a base 4 for only $100 off a guy who bought the Pro. then a few months later I found a guy on craigslist selling a pro for $100 because it was left behind by his former roommate who moved out. That was the beginning of my obsession to buy up the different variants of the PS4 that were released.

As of now I am really only missing the 500m one and the gold slim but otherwise I have pretty much all the other retail ones. https://consolevariations.c...

crazyCoconuts25d ago

Anyone with 4K that appreciates 60fps is gonna disagree about it not being needed.
DLSS is a god send for Nvidia, and there's been nothing like it for AMD...yet ...

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DeadlyFire26d ago

They will announce it around E3 timeframe about May-June whenever they do a showcase for the year.

neutralgamer199226d ago

Just announce it this thing will sell well

Ironmike26d ago (Edited 26d ago )

I don't think it will pll still haven't seen the potential of ps5 yet

Cacabunga26d ago

agreed, but it might sell if they announce some 1st party games to lead the way. if people see the difference with the base version they can move on. for my sake I am still gaming mainly on PS4 (still not finished with RDR2 due to lack of gaming time). I have a huge backlog on PS5 I am hoping to get into.

mark3214uk26d ago

why? game makers havnt even come close to maxing out current spec yet, were getting al lthese new TFlops and game maker are making crappy remakes not worthy of the ps3

Minute Man 72126d ago

The guts of the 5 and X are 5 years old

fr0sty25d ago

People keep saying that, yet we still have games running at near HD resolutions, 30fps, and ray tracing features turned off.

PRIMORDUS26d ago (Edited 26d ago )

I would take that video and upload a torrent of it, fuck that copyright bullshit. If your going to do something that has a chance of being taken down, make a torrent first share it. Then Sony or any other company is helpless and you can laugh in their faces, taunting them to try to take it down 🤣

LoveSpuds26d ago

With kind of analysis and advice, you could be a lawyer for Trump!🤣

tronyx1226d ago

As much as the PS4 Pro didn't represent a major % in the playerbase, announcing a 'better' model will hinder sales from the 'base' model. They are right, business-wise.

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XDefiant misses launch window, Ubi says a new release date will be announced after stress test

XDefiant was originally supposed to be out in summer 2023, but following a seemingly-successful beta test in April of that year, it was bumped to October 2023, and then delayed again to an unspecified future date. In its February 2024 financial report, Ubisoft slated XDefiant for launch in the fourth quarter of its 2023-24 fiscal year, which ended March 31.

A week before that date arrived, rumors surfaced that the game would be delayed yet again, and a few days later Ubisoft made it official.

"The game has always been community-first, with player feedback as a top priority," the development team said in the update. "While we hoped to go live by the end of March, there are still some improvements that we need to test before that."

Ubisoft said it's "finishing preparations" for a server stress test that will run for 12 hours on PC, PlayStation 5, and Xbox Series X|S. "After this short test, we expected to be able to lock a launch date and start sharing more about exciting content XDefiant has to offer in the future!"

just_looken41d ago (Edited 41d ago )

The previous news was from the team/rumors this is ubisoft themselves now saying the game is delayed again no new date set but they will have a stress test on a date that has not been set.

So the game is delayed to _____ TBD
Network stress test at ____ TBD

Ubisoft we make games whenever for whoever we just do not care

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X-2340d ago

I'm just going to be honest here and say what people seem to not want to, XDefiant success is going to be short-lived and it's because it's a game that's going to be under Ubisoft's umbrella. The development team can be absolute rockstars, but with Ubisoft steering the ship it's not going to go anywhere.

Profchaos40d ago

It could be a truely amazing game (it won't be) but with Ubisoft it will be monitized within a inch of its life.

smolinsk40d ago

The game is dead move on. It's the same with the Finals. These short period hype games doesn't last.

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