New ‘GTA 5’ graphics, lead platform, game length and other details revealed

Some new information (featuring graphics, lead platform, game length and more) has been revealed online today for the upcoming multiplatform video game, “Grand Theft Auto 5.”

[greenpowerz]

Not surprising there isn't any comments in here yet the pro Sony gamingbolt articles get dozens of comments.

Glad to see xbox DVD9 isn't holding back the PS3 version and the Playstation RAM and GPU isn't holding back the 360 version .

The devs use PC to develop games and since there will be a PC version It's hard to see a PS3 version on par with PC/360 versions due to them being able to use more RAM.

11 disagrees http://n4g.com/news/1122359...

The gamingbolt article was repeating speculation about PS3 being the lead platform. I don't trust gamingbolt hense my comments in the GTA5 and PS3 sold 70 million articles.

Devs don't lead on the lowest common denominator platform at the end of any generation just for rep saving parity, It's too competitive with devs fighting for every sale(pushing quality at the cost of getting backlash from fans of the weakest console)

[reynod]

We will know how much the game has been held back due to consoles once the PC mods are out ;-)

GTA4 already looks better than GTA5 with mods. So yea there is no question both the kid boxes will be holding the game back.

[Thatguy-310]

No one cares about pc. We all know they can provide the best graphics.

[decrypt]

@reynod

Thats all good, however..

Console gamers... dont care about graphics.

@dboyc310

Check www.steampowered.com

[SephirothX21]

PC is not just best graphics but faster loading times, longer draw distances, mods, more on screen at once. Also in a game like GTA, vehicles will stay in memory longer, more vehicles and people on screen, faster loading, better detail and the ability to be on a sky scraper and see all the people and cars on the street instead of them disappearing like on consoles.

[Imalwaysright]

If modders can achieve that level of graphical fidelity ( icenhancer) what makes you think that devs with a budget of millions cant achieve it? I doubt that consoles are holding back PCs. Devs just dont care or they think that there arent many PCs out there that can run something on that level wich would only hurt their sales.

[kevnb]

PC gamers care about PC, and console gamers care about graphics even more than most PC gamers. when people get all platform wars they bring up graphics more than anything. 360 gamers claim better than ps3 multiplat games, ps3 best looking exclusive console games. But then PC gamers laugh at console fanboys arguing over the tiny difference between gaming on ps3 vs 360 as compared to PC.

[bozebo]

Do you really give a crap about graphics that much? It's GTA!!!!!!!

Also, so true about kevnb's comment above me lol. I don't have a fancy graphics card in my PC, it can run any game at a decent frame rate at my resolution though so I am sorted (and it was cheaper than a console, the rest of the hardware I already had/needed and is nowhere near top of the range either). I play fast paced or multiplayer games on minimum for elitist 100fps lol (an old habit from CS:S, it made a difference to your mouse input compared to 60fps).

@SephirothX21
GTAV won't have those draw distance issues, the engine is a lot better than the one for GTAIV. That said they will be better on the PC version, but they design out the problem and optimize the engine further every iteration. You could see buildings from extremely far away in IV on consoles.

[kaozgamer]

^^and all console gamers laugh at pc lack of quality exclusive games

[jrbeerman11]

Half life, minecraft, crysis were exclusive, civ 5, starcraft, warcraft, diablo, xcom, knights of the republic, witcher was, dota, league of legends, arma, dayz, counter strike, xcom, company of heroes, torchlight 2, stalker, garrys mod, dark messiah, slenderman lol, penumbra, AMNESIA, any mmo etc...

[Bordel_1900]

@kaozgamer

We laugh at your ignorance.

[Razmossis]

So GTA V is being held back by the people that didn't finish GTA IV?

They didn't finish it because it was the same boring missions from start to finish, not because it was long!
San Andreas was a lot longer, and that's the sort of length I was hoping for!

I'm going to play this game to the death when it comes out, I don't want it to be over in 2 or 3 sessions :(

[Dee_91]

Yay now all the pc gamers can stop worrying and hop back on your elitist pedestal and compare your highly customizable PC with brand new hardware to 6 and 7 year old consoles.DAT Elitenessness lol

Just a fyi for the past decade or so gamers have been comparing console to console because they are both consoles :)
We all know PC have better graphics and performance but for some odd reason within the past year and a half its become "cool" to brag about it lol.
PC isnt a console so please stop comparing the 2.If you agree please help dead this whole movement in 2013
Thanks

@Raz
Yea thats true.I dont think gta iv was long at all.San andras on the other hand.It seemed like how long it took to be able to access san fierro that would be the average length of a normal game.But there are alot of side missions which is good.Hopefully its not like sleeping dogs or prob.. LA Noir where the side missions only make sense during the actual story

[Clarence]

To hell with pc and its graphics. If the developers only developed for pc they would go out of business. All the top games this gen sale better on the consoles.

[Temporary]

Even though PC is easily the best platform in terms of just power, the utilization of that power is lackluster because all the most talented devs go to where the $ is, therein lies the issue.

Consoles will always be a more valuable cash cow for devs, and PC will never be taken seriously as a platform in comparison to M$ and Sony. PC in visuals looks a generation or 2 ahead of current consoles, but if your frame of reference is QUALITY games, the PC is way behind.

So calling the consoles "kidbox"es or saying theyre just toys for children etc. is actually pretty ignorant...considering theyre top of the food chain when it comes to consumers. Then comes handhelds, and PC is somewhere way at the end of the line.

[d3nworth1]

I swear you PC fanboy have the most retarded logic. Consoles do not hold back. If a dev wanted they could do all they wanted for they PC version and just leave out the parts that the consoles cant handle simple. Like they did for battlefield 3. PC piracy holds back PC. All that technology that goes into making graphics and physic engines cost money and with the ridiculously high piracy rate of the PC there's no guarantee devs would make a good profit. That why alot of game franchises like Crysis and Farcry are no longer PC exclusives. What I really dont get is that you PC fanboys brag about how cheap your games are and how steam is the greatest and yet your platform still has the high piracy rate. Explain that.

http://torrentfreak.com/top...

[Autodidactdystopia]

I FUCKING TOLD YOU

THERE IS NO LEAD PLATFORM

damn.

no-one ever listens to me.

http://n4g.com/news/1117684...

[kaozgamer]

@jrbeerman11

Lol thats it? btw minecraft(released on xbox), xcom(both consoles), crysis(both consoles, the first crysis is available on ps3, witcher WAS.

Bring on the disagrees

[miyamoto]

Actually having no lead platform is goog for all platforms...why? That means Rockstar has the chance to fully design the GTA 5 games on the maximum strength of each gaming system. Its a win win situation for all respective platform.

Maximum graphics and gameplay for 360, PS3 & PC. You will get the most value for your system of preference.

Imagine GTA 5 graphics rivaling Uncharted 3 graphics on PS3 ... that we gotta see!

[RumbleFish]

The truth: the game is developed on PC and ported to both consoles.

They release the console versions first to sell the inferior versions with more profit.

I am starting to ask myself if I will be strong enough to resist buying a console version instead of waiting for the PC version.

I won't I guess... ;)

[KwietStorm_BLM]

Not surprising greenpowerz opened up his comment with completely off topic nonsense for the sake of..well I don't even know.

[shempo]

"jrbeerman11
Half life, minecraft, crysis were exclusive, civ 5, starcraft, warcraft, diablo, xcom, knights of the republic, witcher was, dota, league of legends, arma, dayz, counter strike, xcom, company of heroes, torchlight 2, stalker, garrys mod, dark messiah, slenderman lol, penumbra, AMNESIA, any mmo etc..."

killzone 1,2,3
uncharted 1,2,3
LPB 1,2
Modnation racers
MGS4
psabr
gow1,2,3,A
resident evil
silent hill
halo
gOw 2,3
nintendo games
sony studios games

and btw....crysis,xcom,half life are not exclusives and swtor plz the biggest mmo failure to date...the only RETAIL repeat RETAIL game that did well in that crap list of yours was D3.the rest are f2p games,try harder next time.
none the games u mention have outsell consoles games

Everyone knows pc have better graphics we simply dont give a fck since the best AAA games are on consoles and the multiplatform games ALWAYS sale better on console 3 to 1 with eaze and style we know this devs know this thats why like it or not pc nerd consoles will always be the priority....devs dont give so much fck about pc...gta5 is a example...

[Temporary]

Thats a pretty bad list of PC games ... im sure other PC fans can dig up better games than that.

[Hellsvacancy]

"Its a TROLL, kill him, KIL HIM!!!"

[ALLWRONG]

After we kill him, we can kill you, and someone can kill me.

You have no room to call anyone a troll, most on this site don't.

That's why I have never called anyone a troll.

Anyway who the hell ever said the PS3 was lead platform? Most people in the real world know everything is made using a PC.

[neoMAXMLC]

"Anyway who the hell ever said the PS3 was lead platform? Most people in the real world know everything is made using a PC."

And that right there just shows you have no idea what you are talking about.

[A-Glorious-Dawn]

@All Wrong.

"Anyway who the hell ever said the PS3 was lead platform? Most people in the real world know everything is made using a PC"

Most people on this site know more about game development than you do apparently.

[doogiebear]

How do we know if the stuff in this article is even legit? There's no source.

[Kingofforest]

that's the same thing i thought when people said it was ps3 lead.

the GTA5 game informer magazine is out, and there was no word mentioned of them playing it or a lead platform in the 18 page spread, nothing!!

check it your self.

[DeadlyFire]

X360 has no more RAM than the PS3. Both have 512MB dipsht

[chcolatesnw]

if you'd have bothered to do a little more extensive research, you'd have seen that ps3 has 256mb for OS ans 256 for games. xbox has 512 and both OS and games use it at the same time. max a game can use on ps3 is 256, xbox is closer to 512. not to even mention the 10mb edram, which is used for resolution, texture, anti aliasing... etc, buffers. Dipshit.

[neoMAXMLC]

@chcolatesnw

The irony of you calling him a dipshit when your comment is far more ignorant and less knowledgeable than DeadlyFire's... who was correct the first time.

The PS3 has 256MB of SYSTEM RAM and 256 of VIDEO RAM. Only around 30MB goes to the PS3's OS. Everything else is reserved for games. so yes, that's almost 512MB of total RAM. Almost the same as the 360's. And that 10MB of eDRAM? Hardly worth a damn considering most 720p games are too big to even fit in it.

[yesmynameissumo]

The PS3 OS is less than 30MB now as they've continually reduced its footprint with each major firmware revision. It amazes me RAM is even being argued.

[badz149]

256MB reserved for OS? and to think that the measly 10MB edram makes any difference...lol how clueless you're about things but confident enough to state them as facts!

but calling anybody to voice their opinion dipshit is just wrong as it sounds very uncivilized! the same goes to you too, @DeadlyFire.

[AfricanGamer9ja]

@greenpowerz http://youtu.be/5hfYJsQAhl0

[extermin8or]

since when has the ps3 gpu held back anything, actually since when has the ps3's ram held it back either.... uually the ps3 version is just a broken version of the xbox or pc version- until they bother to fix it via patches or not if your bethesda....

[andibandit]

Ever since sony decided that only the likes of stephen hawking should be able to understand how to program for it

[extermin8or]

tbh I'd hope steven hawking could do some programming for most gadgets, also I wasn't saying the ps3 doesn't have it's problems just that most devs decided they cba and just give it an inferior version in most cases it's marginal but still....

[GraveLord]

They are showing the PS3 version to the press, it means its the lead platform, and looks the best. Get over it.

There is no "lowest common denominator". Shipments are neck-in-neck between 360 and PS3 with both having shipped 70million.

[vortis]

"it means its the lead platform, and looks the best."

lol because a six year old console will look better than if they used the latest high-end PC, like every single company who had stage presentations at this year's E3?

Ummm, mmkay.

[Bordel_1900]

@vortis

It is implicit that the PC version will be the best version. The PC version will annihilate and wipe the floor with the console version, specially when people start working with and making available super hi-res low-compression textures for the game.

Anyhow, the PC version running at 60-100 fps with full AA, AF, better Lighting, better Draw Distance and better Effects. All rendered in glorious 1080p or even higher res.

Compared to the console versions running maybe at max 30 frames/sec and rendered in 720p if even.

GTA IV ran better on X360 with higher res than the PS3 version, hopefully this time around the PS3 version will be as good or even better than its console counterpart.

[stonecold3]

and yet rockstar already complained xbox 360 was hindering development back on gta 4

[Enigma_2099]

And just how many times has Rockstar made a GTA gae that didn't work across platforms? Sometimes developers have enough sense to put effort into making multiplatform ports work. Rockstar apparently must be one that doesn't play favorites... or hasn't been bought off by Microsoft... *wink, wink, nudge, nudge, knowwhatImean, saynomore!*

[showtimefolks]

over under on 4gb ram for ps4,xbox360?

ram is cheap i say we may see one go to as much as 8

[-MD-]

Funny, I keep hearing everyone say PS3 is the lead platform. Can't wait to hear some news about the PC version.

[Cam977]

I'm sure another preview stated the PS3 version is the lead platform.

[Series_IIa]

No, they had assumed that...

Just like people assumed that the PS3 was lead for BF3 for PC and console...

Both were wrong.

[Eyeco]

it doesn't matter if their is a "lead platform" or not that's not important, you can be assured that both versions are gonna be treated equally thats te important factor, both versions will be treated the same and i'm happy with that.

[Imalwaysright]

People assume that the PS3 is the lead platform because everything we've seen until now was running on a PS3.

[portal_2]

Sounds like PR talk. I'm pretty sure when devs preview games they use the version which is "leading" i.e. further ahead in development. Probably to maintain parity between the small percentage of people who will tear their interviews apart.

[JellyJelly]

The 360 version of GTA IV was better than the PS3 version. Same with Red Dead Redemption and most of Rockstars games. I don't see why that would change with GTA V?

[zeeshan810]

Game Informer said they saw it on the PS3. R* always show their games on the lead platform.

[Dee_91]

Actually its not an assumptions because technically both are lead platforms because like the article said they are working on both simutaneously.. therefor ps3 being lead platform isnt an assumption its partial info ... something your bound to get on a new game people are clammering for info for.

Whats really funny is all the people acting smug about this.The irony.

[Angrymorgan]

I've had red dead and gta 4 on both consoles and if there is a better version, I couldn't name which one.

So I have every confidence in r* to deliver on gta 5.....even if one has better lighting or textures, it's gonna be that small a difference, it'll be unnoticeable.

[BitbyDeath]

"I don't see why that would change with GTA V?"

Both are lead platforms rather than PS3 getting a port, so that has changed...

[ALLWRONG]

PS3 fanboys assume

ass u me

[A-Glorious-Dawn]

You give me no lolz.

0 points for you

[kaozgamer]

wow that was terrible

[kanetheking]

ass u me?you want to be bummed i am not doing that haha

[unchartedxplorer]

Well at least the pc gamers know they're getting V.
This looks really good. Multiple endings, HUGE amount of side missions, this game is looking better and better.
Just polish the game and make it awesome, okay?

[Cocozero]

Sounds like its the same as it was it GTA4 in terms of no lead platform. Will certainly be going for the 360 version considering how past rockstar game have turned out.

[cee773]

Actually gtaIV red dead are both 360 ports

And everyone assumed ps3 was lead because its the only footage being shown which would mean there's more progress on the ps3 version ,Ps3 is the hardest platform to develop on , ps3 port to 360 translates to better game on both platforms not vice versa this message is from Dan Houser himself admitting to past mistakes gtaIV and RDR

[Hazmat13]

i like how if there was a trailer called the 8bit story people will will still say this console or pc is better. there will be fanboys.

[EffectO]

Examiner must be one of the most useless websites ever.Oh look a forum post,lets make an article out of it.
yuck

[EliteDave93]

Still not sure if PS3 is the lead platform or not. But looking at past R* games the 360 has been the best one.

[Kur0]

LA NOIRE and Max Payne 3 looked better on PS3. Also, GTAV is using a new engine so who knows? Could be based off the engine they've been working on for Agent.

[SegataShanshiro]

>LA NOIRE and Max Payne 3 looked better on PS3
>Looked better on ps3
>Looked

Sad ps3 fanboy, I rather have 0.000001% crappier graphics than to have MASSIVE screen tearing on games

[jokia005]

So PS3 ver wont be just port right?
like gta4 and RDR

[Shaman]

Dan Houser said non of their games are ports. They have dedicated RAGE engineering team at San Diego for engine development, plus bunch of programmers at North that work on GTA games, they have no need to rush or port games.

[bubblebeam]

"Dan Houser said non of their games are ports."

That's sad. If that is true, they need to hire another team to do the PS3 version. By no means were GTA4 or RDR bad on PS3, it's just that RDR was worse in every possible sense on PS3 somehow.

Hopefully it turns out like LA Noire, as at least that showed that PS3 was the lead platform.

[Shaman]

There is a reason for that, believe me. RAGE is deferred rendering engine, its heavy on RAM and their games are heavy on RAM too. They have fat frame buffer where they store lighting and shading info. Higher the resolution, bigger frame buffer, more MBs needed. Adding 2xMSAA (or QAA) to the game AUTOMATICALLY gets frame buffer twice as big. Thats why they needed to lower the resolution down.

Since MP3 they added FXAA on console versions so PS3 is now native 720p because they dropped MSAA and freed up the memory.

LA Noire was made on different engine altogether, and it was PS3 exclusive from beginning. It was 360 port, I don't see a reason why should they port to 360 though? Why not developing them together with dedicated teams? Does PS3 deserve to be lead platform or something I've missed?

[Doctor Phil]

Will be interesting to see if PS3 owners get shafted again, as we did with GTA IV and RDR. One can only hope that R* delivers an equal experience in the graphics department on both platforms.

Anyway....will get on PS3, since that's the only console i own......

[AIndoria]

I have no idea why you got so many diagrees.

[SnotyTheRocket]

I play Red Dead on PS3, The hell is wrong with that version?

[hennessey86]

With it, I got it free with ps plus but the 360 version has better graphics.

[TronEOL]

This is exactly what I was thinking lol. It was a perfectly fine game on PS3.

[bubblebeam]

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

That's the Red Dead Face Off on Digital Foundry/Eurogamer. For anyone wondering.

[Zodiac]

Guess i'll go for the 360 version if no lead platform exists.

GTA4 on the PS3 was a nightmare at times and i won't risk it.

[ChronoJoe]

For what it's worth, GTA4 on 360s online was entirely ruined by modded lobbies, the PS3 version was not.

Also there wasn't much difference between the two, lower resolution on PS3 but better lighting / motion blur / performance.

[JackBNimble]

I've been playing GTA IV and RDR for years, I have never had any problems with either game.

Someone want to tell me what was so inferior about the PS3 versions. I am pretty sure that any grphical differences is so miniscule that you wouldn't even notice any difference in game play.

I also like the fact that GTA V will only be a single disc game for the PS3 unlike the 360 version.

[A-Glorious-Dawn]

JackBNimble

GTAIV had a slightly higher framerate on xbox than the ps3 and slightly higher resolution.

But there was much more pop-in as a result, The ps3 version had lower resolution and framerate, but loaded textures and objects faster..

[ChronoJoe]

It's missing like 90 lines of resolution. It's actually pretty significant.

It benefits in lighting / filters particularly though.

360 version of GTAIV would be better if the modded lobbies didn't spoil the multiplayer. Overall I'd say the PS3 version is the one to go with for GTAIV.

RDR on 360 however is definitively better than the PS3 version. Again missing about 100 lines of resolution, but worst of all is the anti-aliasing. The 360 version looks sharp because it's using 2x msaa, but the PS3 version is using a blur filter... it's ugly, to say the least.

The framerate is also lower on the PS3 version of RDR, textures are lower resolution, and in many cases objects are missing (like grass density).

[BlmThug]

Yesterday PS3 fanboys were going mental when they thought the PS3 was the lead platform xD

[onandonandon]

They always say there's no lead platform but there is, they don't develop everything side by side!! If one developer get ahead does he wait for the other to catch up? The version they let people play would've been the most advanced, polished version surely!

[DeadIIIRed]

Some people have a hard time looking past PR spin and ignore common sense.

[MultiConsoleGamer]

I think it's in Rockstar's best interest to make these games as equal as possible. And they must be sure that neither side gets screwed. It's such an important franchise and fanboys are fighting like parents in a custody battle.

Honestly, I think everyone is sick of all the "superior version" fanboy squabbling. It detracts from what's really important, the game itself.

The game looks great, even though it's made for 7 year old hardware. I will definitely buy both versions, just like I did last time. One to play with my PS3 friends and one to play with my Xbox 360 friends. And of course I eventually bought the PC version. Mods FTW!

[kevnb]

Don't let it bother you, most people think its retarded to have a serious argument about this.

[ChronoJoe]

Seems weird that it says 25-30 hours then shorter than GTAIV.

GTAIV only took me about 18hours to complete. So that doesn't add up.

[MariaHelFutura]

I imagine he meant longer.

[bubblebeam]

@ChronoJoe

I worked it out. GTAV should take you about negative 7- negative 12 hours. So you should have it completed before you are able to pick it up. Talk about speed run lol.

[claud3]

Nice read

[doogiebear]

The article cant even prove its source is legit. It's all rumor

[claud3]

Even so, I enjoyed reading it

[doogiebear]

@Claude: how very...ignorant?

[QuantumWake]

Well it's nice that they cleared up this "lead platform" mumbo jumbo. With that said, I do hope that both versions perform well and not one of them is skimped in terms of technical performance. We wouldn't want another BLOPS 2 incident; but I know Rockstar is better than that.

Cheers! :D

[TheSaint]

It wasn't that the story was too long in GTA IV it was that it was too boring.

[Imalwaysright]

Yeah it was a pain to finish GTAIV. RDR on the other hand was fun from start to finish.

[OneAboveAll]

The Sony kids are going to be upset when they realize they have been wrong this whole time. No lead platform. kakakak

[Prcko]

Speaking of graphics, the demo had a lot of alias
WHAT IS ALIAS???

[TheModernKamikaze]

The outlines of objects with jagged edges
(Zigzag lines)

[ApexHell]

jagged edges everywhere, requires anti aliasing for smooth edges still.

[bubblebeam]

@Prcko

"WHAT IS ALIAS???"

[shutUpAndTakeMyMoney]

pc4me!

[okmrman]

gotta love n4g
little kids getting all gassed up for nothing lol

then disappointment 24 hours later

[Vickistheman]

Why are you people fighting about lead platform?

Who the hell cares and why would it matter?

GTA 5 will be awesome on all platforms.

[MasterCornholio]

I don't have a monster gaming PC so I can't play a game like GTAV well. If they make the PS3 playable then I will be extremely happy regardless on how the other versions turn out. Even if the 360 turns out to be the superior version at this point it doesn't make sense to buy one with the impending release of the PS4 and 720.

Motorola RAZR i

[League_of_Draven]

Translation: Wait for the PC version.

[stuntman_mike]

I still think they will bring a WiiU version out. it may not be at the same time as the ps3/360 versions but it will come. they supported the wii with manhunt 2, rockstar table tennis, also china town wars on DS so it wasnt like they made nothinbg on ninty consoles. If rockstar north doesnt do it I'm sure one of their other studio's will.

[iNFAMOUZ1]

HHAHAHA so much for your ps3 lead console fangirls hahaha, glad they are being developed at the same time.

[Pathosverdes3]

Define "lead platform" before arguing about it..

[bangshi]

Black Ops II doesn't have a lead platform and look how shoddy that looks on PS3 compared to 360 (I own a PS3 before you say I am a 360 fan boy).

Everyone seems to say how the PS3 is harder to develop for, so to me if PS3 isn't given more resource and thus could be defined the 'lead platform', it will end up looking the worst.

[Doctor Phil]

I so agree.....

[AngelicIceDiamond]

Sorry but this is good news? No lead platform means PS360 will both run fine same frame rate, same textures in all. And with a game this huge R* doesn't want to play favorite because if either the Xbox or PlayStation is gimped in anyway. Fanboys will riot all across the internet.

Not tryin to say PlayStation version of Black Ops is broken and that's ok, because its not. Its ridiculous they have loyal cod fans that spend 60$ a year to a game that barely works.

No, not R* they know whats at stake if they cater to one console. Internet rioting at its finest.

[TBONEJF]

This is getting very interesting still can't wait till SPRING though for it to release. I'm just glad that R* gives the PS3 AND XBOX EQUAL IN GRAPHICS. just hope those idiot fan boys on blog web sites will try to at least try to compare video to video and CHANGE THEIR DAMN CONTRAST picture. and stop giving one system a higher or lower score JUST GIVE EM BOTH EQUAL SCORES

[Candy1]

Story length doesn't depend on how long it is but how good it gels which still leads me bewildered that going five years, all there is is 20 odd hours? I can only hope Rockstar has learnt on how to make open world refreshingly deep and fun with a bigger playground.

[Valenka]

Twenty five to thirty hours is more than average, and if memory serves me (as they compared it to RDR), it took me about 35 to 40 hours to complete Red Dead Redemption since I spent most of it free roaming and completing secondary missions.

I'm quite pleased with this new information, but I can understand why others might not be.

[ajax17]

20GB install on PS3... I can see it now.

[chukamachine]

I tried gta4 on both PS3 and 360, both under 30fps at times, online badly.

I then tried it on my PC and got 25-30fps,lol.

Then they patched it and it's running 60fps perfectly. I was given the game, but gave it back. It's boring,lol.

You can put as many mods on the game as you like, it sucks.

[tubers]

GTA IV was my first gta exp.. it was pretty boring after 10 hours in.

Not to mention the optimization sucked at that time. (several years back)

[FFDP]

Okay, all of this arguing over lead platform, graphics of the PC, XBOX 360 AND PS3 is getting really annoying. EVERYONE who has bothered to argue over which system is better blah blah blah needs to grow up! Peronsally Im a 360 user, I don't put others down for using a pc or ps3. We are all gamers for crying out loud WE all share a common interest AND THAT IS OUR LOVE OF GAMES. It doesn't matter what platform you are running as long as you are happy with it. I currently own a wide range of platforms ranging from the xbox, xbox 360, nintendo wii, super nintendo, ps2, ps3 as well has handheld devices. My favorite is the xbox 360 due to the fact that halo is exclusive to the xbox! I don't just use 1 platform I use many. Everyone who cares to argue over pointless shit needs to take themselves elsewhere, Im here doing research on GTAV and every website has arguments about the same damn thing. The system one uses is just a matter of personal preference so get over it.

[Nes_Daze]

Are PC fanboys saddened that there will always be more people playing GTA on PS3 and Xbox vs. PC?? Is that why you guys seem so butthurt when it comes to talking about how the PC version will have better graphics?