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Pachter: 100% digital 10 years away

Industry Analyst spoke with Examiner.com yesterday and provided his thoughts on digital gaming and when he believes the industry will go completely digital.

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Finally Pachter is right about something. I actually believe this and I think physical copies will be a thing of the past.

RuleNumber54266d ago

Agreed, but don't you think you'll miss gaming boxes a little bit? Won't you miss the nostalgia of physically having and holding the game? I feel like there's a unique connection there and that may be lost once it happens. But if it doesn't happen for 10 years, then I'm sure my opinion will be different by then.

NeoBasch4265d ago (Edited 4265d ago )

Everyone thinks this but forgets the trend. Each generation in film and game, file sizes have increased tremendously. DVD's were lucky to reach 9 gigs. Now, we have Blu-Rays that range from 25-50 gigs. Uncharted 2 alone is around 23 GB's on the PSN. Even if you had the best model (360 GB's) that would take a large amount of space.

Yes, you could technically buy a new hard drive. Hold on, let's look on Amazon real quick. PS3's take 2.5" internal hard drives (and while yes, you can use an external, that'd be a pain). The largest drive you could get is 1 TB (generally $100). For those that want to take advantage of Sony's video store or various other media hub features will need to leave at least anywhere from 25-50% for video/music/picture storage. 500 GB's will go fast depending on the games you get.

Size is still a luxury. Even externals cost an arm and a leg for just 4 TB's. I'm not even sure there is a 5 TB drive on the market yet. While this may seem like a lot now, wait until games start running natively in 1080p and increasingly optimize their engines for better performance and mapping. If you want quality 7.1 surround sound with your games as well (or God willing 22.1), that'll be an additional couple gigs, depending if you have multiple language tracks.

It's not just games though. Movies will begin displaying in 2160p and 4320p. The latter is a 16x increase if I remember right. What does that say about the existing Blu-Ray format? Why do you think technicians have been investing in research as to the next format standard? The BDA has been trying to accommodate with larger discs, but they can only do so much with their laser technology. That is why we are researching other future standards like HVD (Holographic Video Discs). And before any of you jump to any conclusions, it is not truly holographic. It is reference to the optics and visual imaging of the surface layer of the disc.

I think the digital entertainment will be a big part of a future, and for most things it will be adequate, but I don't believe we'll be fully digital by 2015 (sorry, Gabe) maybe in a decade and that'd only be if the price for sizes come down, speeds go up tremendously, and networking companies are more lenient when it comes to higher bandwidths without demanding our souls in exchange. Then maybe... and that's a far stretch. Do you realize how hard it was just to get America to upgrade from analog?

I laugh at your face if you think this is going to be easy.

_-EDMIX-_4265d ago

sir. Bubbles for your knowledge. I've been telling people the very same thing for years.

Gaming media and film media formats grow faster then the actual bandwidth that provides us with them.

LA Noire, Max Payne 3, MGS4, pretty much every PS3 exclusive or Sony published game, were about 25GB, 35GB, 40GB, 50GB etc. Now this is JUST this gen.

I opted to not download Max Payne 3, JUST because of 2 things. I didn't want to go over my bandwidth cap (with MP3, it was happening) and i wanted to play it right then as suppose to just waiting until it was done downloading.

This is a prime example of what i mean. I have the fastest service in my area (my sister and i split it) and its still something i just don't take too lightly. I'm not just going to start downloading 40GB or 50GB games, now this is just this gen, what about next gen? If history has taught us anything, its that games get bigger each gen, NOT smaller. Thus games next gen will be around 100GBs launch day, and 500GB even near the ending of the gen. Now its not even so crazy based on what other gens have done (12X, 7X etc the space used) i'm just talking about 2X or 5X the space used this gen.

Mind you i state this without even touching on what retail makes for gaming.

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Because of how much money retail makes Gaming it will never happen. Not a lot of people have internet and let alone the fastest.

Gaming moves too fast for bandwidth. By the time this is everywhere, games could be anywhere from 500gb to 800gb or 1TB.

Only reason why i say this, is again games are already 50gb and 40gb this gen on PS3, mind you they aren't even in 1080p or run at a solid 60fps. So next gen, clearly games will look better (have more polygons) thus take up more space etc. So next gen i see 100gb being normal and then games going from 200-500gb. Only because we have to understand, in order to have games compete in terms of quality, i would mean them porgresselvy getting bigger in terms of space taken up.

ie FFVII on PS1 compared to what was scrapped for N64. Once the space is there, a lot of ips can start making the games they always planned to.

So next gen would be around 100-300gb and after that really the sky's the limit. It may sound crazy now, but take a look back when PS1 was out, it went from CD 600-800mb per disk to DVD to having 5.8gb per disk thats close to 6 times the size, and from that to Bluray, from 5.8gb or 6.8gb to about 25-50gbs more then 7 times the size, from PS1 to N64, it was OVER 12 TIMES the size (the real reason they beat the N64, FFVII could had NEVER been made on the N64 in its current state) I love the N64, but clearly the PS1's format was the real nail in that coffin. Format is tech, not matter how badly some may try to down play it. A games systems hardware really means nothing if it doesn't even have a format big enough to actually make it happen. "you got VR....cool story bro....can i play GTA on it in HD?" lol.

So the numbers i was guessing are actually in terms of history incorrect and not likely, its actually likely to be more then what i said. But bandwidth just won't get there fast enough to really do anything about it, cloud gaming and Digital Download will just forever remain an option.

http://www.videogameconsole...

Anyone believing in such garbage should take a look at some gaming history to see how gaming media has advanced and how it will in the future.

take a look at the years of when those systems released and see how fast and how large games got between then. ie the PS1 having the largest growth and impact to gaming that the world has ever seen. almost 100X the space of SNES (mind you thats like PS4 having a format that is 5TB at launch and a game using 3 disk at launch), its still by far the largest leap to ever grace gaming and it was truly needed, FFVII launched with 3 disk...remember that people.

RuleNumber54266d ago (Edited 4266d ago )

It will be much more convenient though once it's all digital. It will save on gas $ haha.

MultiConsoleGamer4266d ago

Pachter says a lot of things. Sometimes he's right. But not usually...

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ChunkyLover534266d ago

I kind of doubt its that close. They said digital music would kill physical, in fact physical music was supposed to be dead by now.

I think bandwidth caps and speed issues will cause this not to be the case. Lets not forget that some people choose not to even get internet. I know some gamer's who just game for fun and don't have an internet connection at all. Why would these console makers limit their potential customers?

Ducky4266d ago

... because chances are those people will have internet 10 years from now.

ChunkyLover534266d ago

I'm just saying I've heard all of this stuff before, if it goes all digital, I'm out for sure. I don't feel like you actually own content when its digital only. There are different licenses and things like that involved, they can expire and it also seems like they are going for a always connected style of console and games, which I definitely am not interested in.

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Microsoft Losing to Sony Is a Wrong Perception, Says Pachter; They Want to Win Business, Not Console

Wedbush Securities analyst Michael Pachter believes it's an incorrect gamers' perception that Microsoft has lost to Sony.

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"If we change what our goal is, we're not losing" attitude. Kind of like how Microsoft didn't lose to Valve, they just changed their business model. And they didn't lose to Android and iOS, they just changed their business model. They 100%, after spending 3 generations competing heavily in console hardware, aren't losing to Sony, they're just changing their business model.

You can't ever lose if you just 'change your business model'!

Jin_Sakai63d ago

Pachter is full of crap. Always assume the opposite of what he says.

Cacabunga63d ago

This clown is still around? I cannot remember he ever got one prediction right

Profchaos62d ago

Patcher predicted that take two would be brought out by ea he knows very little about the content of games and is so numbers focused

Petebloodyonion62d ago

Yet I remember that he predicted perfectly that there was no way the acquisition of ABK would not go through and that the FTC and the CMA would fold when all the media had It's basically over kind of news.
He mentioned that MS would outsource COD streaming rights (or deny COD from appearing on GP) in UK.

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crazyCoconuts63d ago

What's kinda crazy to me is - if they retreat from consoles they're left with a business model that depends on making great games that people want to buy.
What has been Xbox's biggest issue over the last decade or so?
It's not like they're falling back to a strength...

GamerRN63d ago

They didn't retreat and even promised the biggest generational leap! Where did you get retreat from?

crazyCoconuts63d ago

@Gamer if you don't see it yet, there's nothing i can say to convince you.

FinalFantasyFanatic62d ago

And just think of all those game franchises that are trapped with them, especially those they bought instead of creating.

Charlieboy33362d ago

@Gamer Yeah, just like the One X was a leap. Just like Series X was a leap. What did they bring to the table.....a leap in games? No, they brought sweet f all. Guys like you just never learn or are just dumb, falling for MS' talk talk talk over and over again.

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PhillyDonJawn63d ago (Edited 63d ago )

Business is all about money not actual sales. If I sell 1 thing for 1 million and you sell 10000 things for 900k Who really won.

remixx11663d ago

The person who sold 10000 things because he has developed a consumer base and consistent revenue stream while simultaneously showing that he has the capacity to obtain market share.

The person who sold 1 thing for a million hasnt proven much outside of the simple fact that he can get an idiot to pay a copious amount of money for a single product. Holla at me when he has proven he can do it consistently overtime.

This is a nuanced subject matter

The Wood63d ago (Edited 63d ago )

How about the gamers perspective

Xbox as a console business is last in the gamersphere. Pivot after pivot, swerve after swerve. If it wasn't for pc the xbox console would died a while back. Console owners need to choose what's best for them, their experiences or the console owners profits

Christopher63d ago (Edited 63d ago )

Great. Guess who is in third place (just talking the main console market, not even including mobile and PC) both on software sales, hardware sales, and video game revenue?

PhillyDonJawn62d ago

Chris you might wanna do ya research

Christopher62d ago (Edited 62d ago )

***Chris you might wanna do ya research ***

You're right! It's only 2nd place on revenue. Good on you.

"Based on these revenues, we can see that: PlayStation made $11.3 billion more than Xbox, and $14.7 billion more than Nintendo. Xbox made $3.4 billion more than Nintendo."

Now, do you want to find me proof that Xbox isn't in third on hardware and software sales? They've literally cannibalized their own sales via subscription services and their hardware is well known to be last place.

But, hey, Microsoft is okay losing in every category here, why would they get rid of a part of their business that they are in turn (and wasn't accounted for in 2023 numbers totally since it was distributed over 5 years, 2023, 2024, 2025, 2026, and 2027, the cost of their latest purchase) spending more than 7x their annual revenue on.

PhillyDonJawn62d ago (Edited 62d ago )

@Chris I'm glad you did ya research seen you were wrong but you also forgetting this. Revenue isn't everything my friend, remember business is about money
https://www.essentiallyspor...

DarXyde62d ago

Oh my days, this is a terrible analogy...

If it was just about money, Microsoft wouldn't be doing a sub model, would they? They are literally making it cheaper than game purchases to get more uptake from more people. The goal is to have enough recurring subs over time to increase revenue (and eventually profitability), but that doesn't work in your assessment because they literally need to "sell 10000 things".

Good grief...

Christopher62d ago

***Revenue isn't everything my friend***

Yeah, you know what that TweakTown report doesn't include? Any of the cost to buy ABK. That makes it a massive loss. Massive.

FinalFantasyFanatic62d ago

@DarXyde

That analogy still works, they need to consistently sell those subs to maintain/gain revenue, if they can't constantly sell those subs.

Switch "things" with "Subs", and it still works, but they need to constantly convince people to keep buying that subscription, other people will drop their subscription and revenue will decline.

DigitallyAfflicted62d ago

ou can do math... well done.... you win

DarXyde62d ago

FinalFantasyFanatic,

I don't think that quite works:

The argument this guy is making actually sounds supportive of Playstation selling a game over Game Pass subs.

Let's take a practical example, Persona 3 Reload.

If Atlus sells you the game at $70 on Playstation and "gives it away" on Xbox as long as you continue to pay for Game Pass, well... Following their logic, wouldn't it be better if fewer people buy it for a higher price than basing it on engagement via more people on XGP? How many people would you need to play P3R on Game Pass to get the same revenue?

Eventually, the latter *can be better*, but there is the matter of a larger install base on Playstation and XGP subs are a fraction of Xbox gamers.

It's a bit ironic and I think biases are on full display because what Philly boi is saying is, in principle, more supportive of the PlayStation model, but the thing is, PlayStation has both a higher price of access AND a larger pool to pull from.

If we want to talk about the manufacturers themselves and hardware, Xbox can be purchased cheaper than PS5, but it is still getting trounced in number of sales and price of admission.

I don't really see how this argument works.

crazyCoconuts62d ago

The console war we've been watching for the last two decades has been what I find interesting. I don't really care how much profit MS can make by buying King and running Candy Crush any more than I care how much money they make bleeding businesses for MS Office licenses. That's boring. The fun thing to watch has been the work these companies have put in to try to win the console market.

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Eonjay63d ago

The obvious rebuttal to Pachter's cray cray notion is that you wouldn't have to change your model if you were winning.

senorfartcushion62d ago

Or "those who win get to change their business model."

Fanboyism ends at a brick wall of "big company no care about whether you like or hate them, get a life."

Reaper22_63d ago (Edited 63d ago )

Sony said similar things when their Walkman was beaten by Apple and when Samsung surpassed them in the TV market. I can go on and on but I'm sure you get the picture. Business is business. All companies take a whippen every now and and then. The difference is how you bounce back. Microsoft net worth has grown over the years. Business wise they are very successful and no matter what, sony would love to be where they are financially. Sony isn't the competition microsoft worries about. That been clear for a long time now. Microsoft wants gaming to be a part of their ecosystem. Sony needs it. Big difference there.

Christopher63d ago (Edited 63d ago )

There's a lot wrong here.

First, the attempt to turn this argument into one about other failed businesses. Which, surprisingly, you make the argument I'm making but then...

Second, the attempt to confirm that Microsoft isn't competition when Microsoft admitted in court that they are.

Third, the attempt to act like Microsoft, from a business perspective, doesn't need what they spent over $100b to acquire but Sony does? Laughable.

Businesses are about profits. If you stop earning enough profit in a division, it goes away. Simple as that. Xbox is a division competiting against Valve, Epic, Sony, Nintendo, Android, and iOS. Simple as that. Xbox, to remain 'part of the ecosystem' needs to not cost the company more than it brings in. Simple.

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Rude-ro63d ago (Edited 63d ago )

They actually won.

The whole point was to force Sony into playing ball so that they could not put “windows” in more jeopardy than it was at the time.
Apple, Google, then Sony innovating while partnered with Linux…

When will people realize it has never been about gaming as to why Microsoft got into gaming?

Trojan horses people.

FinalFantasyFanatic62d ago

With the way Linux and Steam Deck are going, Linux might one day catch up to Windows, it's doing pretty well for gaming these days compared to say, 10 years, or even 5 years ago.

crazyCoconuts62d ago

I don't understand who u r saying won...
But I agree in that I wouldn't be surprised if Windows was part of the calculus for MS supporting Xbox. The OS was based on Windows at first and Xbox One kinda had two Windows instances if you count the hypervisor.
But, like the console space, I think MS is walking back on OS domination. Apple and Google completely ate their lunch because....surprise surprise they innovated. I'm 100% confident the reason Phil talks (and shows) about the Asus ROG Ally more than Steam Deck is because of Windows. The Steam Deck has to sting for them.

senorfartcushion62d ago

Well, yeah, that's the point. They're too big-a-company for fanboy stuff to be at-all relevant.

badz14962d ago

If Pachter said MS is not losing, it means that MS is losing.

Petebloodyonion62d ago (Edited 62d ago )

Well last I checked a company goal is to make more and more money,
Nintendo could be an example of how they stopped trying to compete with Sony (during the Gamecube day) and decided to focus on a different market and reinvented themselves with the WII.
They reinvented themselves with the Switch by bringing 2 markets together when ppl said that portable consoles were doomed thanks to cellphones and tablets.

Sony's business models also changed when they decided to port games to PC something that was never supposed to happen.

crazyCoconuts62d ago

If Xbox exits a market (consoles) to focus on another (games) I guess I don't care anymore. They lost the console market and pretty much the same companies that have been there before making games are still there flying a different flag. If they suck, other companies will eat their lunch by making better games.

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shinoff218363d ago

How's this guy still around. According to him consoles were dying after ps2, ps3 Era.

Christopher63d ago

Analysts are never wrong, the market just had a swift change for which no one could account.

shinoff218362d ago (Edited 62d ago )

Aka wrong lol

VenomUK62d ago (Edited 62d ago )

In his Gametrailers past I’ve found Pachter to be friendly and entertaining. However he’s always blindly predicted Xbox success even up to the start of this generation. Now Pachter has adopted and repeated the new terminology of Microsoft, that it hasn’t lost the console war, it just wants more business. This is illuminating because it suggest he, like Tom Warren at the Verge, is inline with Microsoft’s PR strategy.

Tedakin62d ago

He was the only person who completely nailed how the ABK court case would play out. When everyone said the deal was dead, he said no and stood firm and said MS would do exactly what they did.

MrNinosan62d ago

Did everyone say the deal was dead?
Most analytics said it would go through, but be delayed, which actually was the case.

Christopher61d ago

Almost everyone said the deal would go through.

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stonecold363d ago

michael and his bs view just give me headache wish he would go and retire

senorfartcushion62d ago

Thing is, if fanboys understood business, they wouldn't be wasting their time commenting on gaming websites.

S2Killinit62d ago

And you are here to lecture the rest of us because you understand business and MS is doing great?

neomahi62d ago

senorfartcusion....... So what brings you to the house of Pachter?

FinalFantasyFanatic62d ago

Technically Microsoft is doing great, it's just not in gaming, OS and software (e.g. Microsoft Office) is where they're doing great business. I can't think of many other ventures they've had that has worked out for them, despite resorting to some of the same tactics that made them the dominate OS for computers.

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senorfartcushion61d ago

Microsoft own things like Microsoft Office and Windows, games are secondary to them. If Xbox shut down the computer company will be ok

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MIDGETonSTILTS1763d ago (Edited 63d ago )

They only way that plan works is if people still want to play in their ecosystem.

Eventually, they’re ecosystem needs more games.

Helldivers 2 could swing Xbots to ps6 if it isn’t countered by the end of the gen.

Abnor_Mal63d ago (Edited 63d ago )

Supposedly some well known Halo modders will be making a mode similar to Helldivers.

https://gamerant.com/halo-i...

MIDGETonSTILTS1762d ago

Without procedurally generated levels, they’ll face the same problem as Destiny: fighting the same enemies in the exact same arenas does get repetitive eventually.

Helldivers succeeds as a GaaS because of its unusually well implemented use of procedural level creation. That, paired with its fun enemies to kill, makes it a GaaS with a long lifespan.

darthv7263d ago

There is a pretty good chance that those with XB also have PS, but not the other way around.

shinoff218362d ago

I do. Always get an xbox just varies on when during that Gen

cooperdnizzle62d ago (Edited 62d ago )

What kind of Jedi mind tricks do you have to come up with to get through your day?

What is the point of always having to lie or make shit up just to win? It's like cheating to win how can you feel like you accomplished something?

FinalFantasyFanatic62d ago

I haven't bought an Xbox since the 360 days, just stuck with PC and PS, sometimes Nintendo.

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Could Xbox Game Pass really hit '100 million' subscribers? Here are some thoughts.

Wedbush games industry analyst Michael Pachter weighs in.

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darthv72623d ago

Oh... well if Patcher weighs in then it has to be a resounding:

NO

Jin_Sakai623d ago

Regardless it’s going to skyrocket when Activision Blizzard games hit Game Pass.

Lightning77623d ago

But to a 100 million? Absolutely not I can realistically see 5 to 6 million within the year.

Pachter gets paid for making terrible predictions. Must be nice lmao.

Jin_Sakai622d ago

Yea that’s unrealistic. Still the subscriber count is going to increase significantly when Activision/Blizzard games hit the service.

garryxcs622d ago

"skyrocket", that's highly doubtful you're not accounting for the fact that the majority of those people who are will download those games on gp already have gp.

shinoff2183621d ago

I feel they will increase but there are people out there like me for instance that didnt really care for the games they made. Especially cod eh pass. Skyrocket though seems to be overstated.

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neutralgamer1992621d ago (Edited 621d ago )

It won't hit 100 million unless Ms cam produce high quality exclusives and release one every month

Better question is at what price point and subscription number will it become profitable for Ms because the more profit it makes the more resources Ms will allocate to make it grow

Recurring subscriptions is what most companies with services want. Believe it or not the reason so many of these companies want us to turn on the automatic payment is because they know a lot of people forget to turn it off. It's like gym membership they know only 40% of the people will use it while other 60% will keep paying in hopes of going one day

darthv72

Also you made a comment in the other story I forgot to reply to you but why are you paying $45 to renew when you can pay $26-28

There are always deals

darthv72621d ago

This was the first time it renewed for 45, i will get other deals before it does it again.

mooreneco21622d ago (Edited 622d ago )

Reality of the subscriber business model is regardless of the medium, and as Netflix is currently experiencing, they all have a user base ceiling. Is game pass good value, sure, but will it convert non-gamers into Xbox gamers, nope! Brand awareness and deals only reach so far and ultimately a gamer with the money to subscribe is most likely already a gamer.

roadkillers622d ago

Nintendo has the ability to turn non-gamers into gamers. The only game that has this ability in Microsoft’s arsenal is Minecraft.

Godmars290622d ago (Edited 622d ago )

No. Not even Nintendo can "magically" convert non-gamers. Sure as eff such can't be done by the likes of Uncharted or Halo. The best you're going to get is someone who wants to watch for the graphics and action, but sur as eff isn't paying upwards to a publisher desired $100+ per single game + DLC/MT much less a recurring sub.

And it the Bobby Koticks of the industry that need that drilled into their heads, not us.

shinoff2183621d ago

Nintendo had the wii that brought non gamers. Thats it. Switch isnt bring in non gamers unless your talking about kids having their first system. My kids all have ps4s but we always have bought the newest nintendo console. Mainly for their first party games.

Also i dont feel like minecraft is gonna bring in non gamers. I just dont understand the comment.

myfathersbastard621d ago

Most adult gamers I know still see switch as a “kids” console and don’t own one. I only personally know 2 other adults who use one. So no, Nintendo doesn’t turn non gamers into gamers. They have issues just being seen as a worthwhile system currently with the new generation out.

0hMyGandhi622d ago

I was a gamer, and gamed alot. Haven't lately, and got GamePass about 6 months ago, and I friggin love it. Love seeing some smaller indie games that I can play comfortably without worrying about sinking hundreds of hours into like I did when I was younger.

So yes, "non-gamers" will see incredible appeal in gamepass. So far, GamePass reminds me a bit of the good ol' Xbox Live Arcade days, and that's never a bad thing.

shinoff2183621d ago

Havent lately but you were a gamer. How long is lately. You already admitted you were a gamer so you are not a non gamer even if you took a small break.

0hMyGandhi621d ago

"Lately" is probably a 10-12 year break.

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purple101622d ago

How many xbone consoles did they sell last gen. Approx 50mill.

That's then the max they could hope to have in subscribers.

If there lucky. Very very lucky. As half Their fans jumped ship I rekon.

Lightning77622d ago

Which means there gonna have over 50 million subscribers. Sony fanboys have a knack for saying MS won't do X, Y, Z only for them to do X, Y, Z. You'd think you'd learn by now.

Zhipp622d ago

Gamepass is also on PC and streaming. Also Series X|S is outselling Xbox one so clearly they didn't lose half their fans.

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Pachter: “If Sony was really smart, they’d buy Warner Bros Interactive”

Michael Pachter, everyone's favourite gaming analyst runs through all the rumoured game company acquisitions that Sony should purchase and deems that Warner Bros Interactive makes the most sense as long as it includes one major thing.

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lelo2play727d ago

Well, apparently Sony are trying to buy Warner Bros Interactive...

"Interested parties include EA, Take-Two, Microsoft, Sony, Tencent, Netease, and PUBG Corp"
https://twitter.com/imranzo...

sparky77727d ago

They won't be able to outbid MS or Tencent so I don't see them trying for it.

Thegr81727d ago

I don’t know how you are getting downvoted cause that’s true. I love Sony but they aren’t winning a bidding war. Money talks sadly.

roadkillers726d ago

Sony could definitely outbid Microsoft on the basis that Microsoft needs asset allocation in different sectors and seeing how they are going to spend 70 Billion+ on Activision it might be more difficult. Tencent on the other hand, they have as much money as China allows them.

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neutralgamer1992726d ago

They won't sell for more than 10 billion and Sony can afford it. Ms paid more than 40% above market value . As far as WB are concerned so much of their work is working on established IP's owned by DC. So someone buying WB doesn't guarantee DC IP's

Also I think many of you don't understand the difference between company being valued higher and having actual cash in hand for acquisitions

Also Sony is a bank in Japan so they can come up with cash and have some of the most valuable assets in music and movies. They outright own the movie rights to the biggest and most sold superhero merchandise Spiderman

As far as patcher is concerned I don't believe anything he says. Whatever he says do the opposite

roadkillers726d ago

My biggest thing, whoever gets them would own one of the most historic gaming franchises: Mortal Kombat!

mkis007726d ago

The fact it would certainly fail to be approved is a factor. Gov't is pushing back on Activision as it is.

ABizzel1726d ago

MS is true, but they’re stuck with the Activision stuff and any new acquisitions would completely derail that. Tencent is debatable, and as capitalistic and greedy as the US and companies are there is a real fear of China becoming to large of a superpower that extra efforts have been going in place to slow down Chinese takeovers.

There’s also the influence of relationships and connections within the industry. Would developers rather go to tencent and be stifled, or go somewhere like Sony and be able to thrive.

Also they’re allegedly selling the developers individually so there’s no need to buy the entire company. If anything Netherealms, Rocksteady, and maybe Avalanche are the 3 Sony should entertain.

myfathersbastard726d ago (Edited 726d ago )

Not only could they not, there’s very little value in it. WBIE are a subsidiary of WB. One of Sony’s biggest competitors. And they own all the property’s/IP, that WBIE has worked on. That wouldn’t go with them to Sony. So all they would be buying is a developer, not a library of new content and IP to work with. WB wouldn’t hand over those licenses.
WBIE is a good developer for sure, but they aren’t worth as much as some people on here are thinking when you remove all the IP they have worked on.

ElvisHuxley726d ago

Don't know why everyone just assumes that Xbox has unlimited access to all of the MS coffers, they don't, and have probably cut back drastically after acquiring the most expensive sinking ship in history.

ShadowWolf712726d ago

You're assuming that MS or Tencent would be WILLING to outspend there.

If Sony is willing to pay a price higher than MS or Tencent is, especially if the IP would only be licensed and not owned, then they very much can outbid others.

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porkChop727d ago

Sony are interested, but WBIE would be worth considerably more than Bungie which Sony just spent $3.6B on. Whoever buys them will be dropping a lot of money. Especially with companies like Tencent, Microsoft, etc., looking to buy them, that number is going to go up.

Side note: I'm surprised Take-Two is even interested, they're only worth somewhere around $15B or so if I remember correctly. This would be a massive purchase for them, how are they planning to afford it?

LOGICWINS726d ago

In Sony’s shoes, Embracer Group would have been my first and only priority. Imagine getting 240 new first-party IPs over night. IPs they can use for games, TV shows, AND movies.

I don’t know what the hell Sony’s thinking spending billions of dollars on these smaller lukewarm acquisitions when they could’ve pooled their funds for one significant purchase instead.

DarXyde726d ago

If it is as straightforward as giving money, they could easily be outbid and that's the end of it.

However, they might sell for less if there were other conditions. Bungie and Activision were overvalued, but I think it's not unreasonable to suggest prices are negotiable if it comes with other benefits.

Development costs must be nerve wracking if acquisitions are so in season now.

neutralgamer1992726d ago

Logic

Embracer group would cost upwards of 40+ billion so I don't think that's happening along with the fact embracer group themselves are acquiring talent

zsquaresoff727d ago

'Michael Pachter, everyone's favourite gaming analyst'
I hope this statement was made as a joke.

Fonsecap726d ago

That was going to be my exact comment, lol

Gardenia726d ago

If Sony was really smart, they'd do the exact opposite of what Pachter says.

SullysCigar727d ago

Well, Michael Pachter, if YOU were really smart, you'd be right more often. You're strike rate is awful as far as gaming goes.

JackBNimble726d ago

So show some stats... I'm not a Patcher fan by any means, but at least back up what you're saying.
Or are you just looking for some easy up votes?

tay8701726d ago

dude EVERYONE knows pachter is a hack. is that you michael?

JackBNimble726d ago

I never said he wasn't, but you guy's just regurgitate the same BS and never provide sources to back it all up.

SullysCigar726d ago

Are you new to following gaming news or are you just looking for some easy downvotes?

I'm happy for you to show me I'm wrong. Seeing as you feel so strongly about it, I'm sure you must have the stats I'm missing and can back up your outrage?

calactyte726d ago (Edited 726d ago )

https://segmentnext.com/a-v...

Yes, he's a hack.

Stats on how wrong he's been in the past:

1. Grand Theft Auto V would release 2010 (released Sept 2013)
2. Predicted the price of Kinect would be $50.00 (was over $150)
3. Said Microsoft would double the price of Xbox Live
4. Said Wii was in no shape to compete with Xbox 360 and PS3. (Wii outsold both)
5. Said Assassin's Creed 2 would feature Altair and would be set in the French Revolution.
6. Predicted PS3, Xbox 360 and Wii would be the last generation of consoles.
7. Predicted Xbox One was going to outsell PS4 by 75,000 units. (PS4 tripled Xbox One sales)

That's just the ones in the article.

jznrpg726d ago

Console will be dead . Sony will lose to Xbox last gen just off the top of my head . He’s said a bunch of dumb shit , I don’t need to catalogue it because he does it so often .

Mr_Writer85726d ago

"but you guy's just regurgitate the same BS and never provide sources to back it all up."

Why? It's not a court of law, those of us who have been following gaming news for the past 15-20+ years all know he is a hack.

If YOU don't agree, that's fine, just ignore it, or do some digging yourself and find out for yourself.

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Unknown_Gamer5794726d ago

I for one am impressed by one thing Patcher has that most people don’t: the ability to miss the mark, over and over again, and still have a job. Most of us have to consider something called job performance, or in the case of self-employment, public perception is often key. It baffles me to no end that Patcher has somehow transcended that. Is that a perk of being rich and famous?

darthv72727d ago

If Patcher says they should... you know it will be someone else who does.

KingofBandits726d ago

agreed we need to keep the filthy CCP out of gaming at all costs. China owns most of hollywood and influences much of the media with their filth. If gaming goes to the commies it might as well die

sourOG726d ago

The AmCP and EuCP as well.

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