Xbox One: Microsoft's 5 million 'sold-in' number shows PS4 expanding lead

XMNR: Sony shared how many Playstation 4 consoles it has sold worldwide so on Wednesday and Microsoft took its turn with Xbox One sales figures on Thursday. While the number is not bad at first glance, one single-term in the announcement will make analysts question the number.

[MightyNoX]

From the article:

Why is this important? Microsoft’s “sold through” figure for the Xbox One was 3 million at the end of 2013 with approximately 3.9 million consoles shipped to retailers. Meanwhile, the PS4 “sold through” figure for the end of 2013 was 4.2 million units. Throw in the 7 million units sold through start of April and you begin to see Sony expand the sales gap between the two consoles.

[Mr Pumblechook]

Sony have given units sold whilst XB one numbers from Microsoft are units. It's estimated that actual units sold is less than 3 million. People are being premature to say its 'game over'' for the Xbone because it will improve and go from strength to strength. However this generation there will be a larger sales gap between them and the current market leader.

[u got owned]

@grimlash

damn... you are in a mission. you have been spamming this artcles posting the same thing over and over.

[UnbiasedOpinions]

Please remember, PS4 is 25% cheaper than X1 and in double the markets, everyone seems to forget this and spreads doom

be happy both are doing well, PS4 is leading but lets not act like Xbox is dead

[theshonen8899]

There is a colossal difference between "sold to consumers" and "sold to retailers".

Xbox One has sold 5 million units to retailers.

PS4 has sold 7 million units to consumers.

That means there are even more PS4s on retailer's shelves and there are even less XBOnes in consumer's hands.

[zeuanimals]

@Unbiased Opinions:

Sure, it's in more markets, but even in markets where they're both available, the PS4 outsells the X1. What's even more shocking is it won MS's main market last month even with huge discounts and cheap bundles that come with the X1's biggest game for this year, that doesn't sound good at all.

[kingdom18]

@UnbiasedOpinions but remember that those several extra countries do not represent a large number of the market, they may help, but the important ones are NA, the U.K., and Japan. Of all those extra countries they can't represent more than a million, considering they don't hold priority for supply over larger countries like the before mentioned

[Pogmathoin]

I remember that movie about Star Wars and Star Trek fanboys.... Made everyone look pathetic..... Rings a bell here. Sony doing much better, but MS aint doing half bad..... Who cares who sells more, sure it will never make anyones lives here much better..... Just a daily grind. If you find this an escape, thats sad....

[johndoe11211]

I'm gonna leave this here for everyone that has commented already and for those who have not commented as yet.

To all those who are saying that it's impossible to know exactly how many units have been sold to customers, please cut it with that BS. They may not be able to have exact figure but they can get a very good estimate.

The same way steam knows how many members they have, the same way microsoft knows how many zombies have been killed and sony knows how many times the share button has been pressed. Every time a console is activated they know because it is registered on their network. Whether it's a live silver or gold account or a ps or ps+ account, they know. So they can have a pretty good idea how many systems are in customers hands.

The only people that this would not apply to are the ones who do not have internet connections and right now that is in the minority. So taking that and also reseller feedback into consideration they can know with a high level of accuracy how many systems are in customers hands.

[chrismichaels04]

March was a huge month for both systems with Infamous and Titanfall. Unfortunately for MS, Titanfall didnt make a dent in PS4 sales for the month. 7 million PS4's sold compared to 5 million Xbox Ones shipped is a pretty big difference.

[MeLoveRamen]

@unbiased, it doesn't matter if the ps4 is in double the markets because the xbox brand only sells in the US and UK, so remember that and lets act like xbox is dead because it is.

[Mkai28]

Congrats, indeed it seems both are doing well. Nuff said.

[JetP0619]

@ Unbiased opinions. i dont get your point because xbox 360 was cheaper and look how that turned out?

No one said xbox is dead on the thread, but with ps4's current lead from this early on, Xbox1 will never catch up. Never.

[zeee]

This is hilarious!

http://a.disquscdn.com/get?...

[Azzanation]

Its not a big of gap then people like to believe. X1 is still only available in 13 countries compared to PS4 50+.

Now I know what your going to say, those other countries don't count for the entire sales. However take away every PS4 figure from those extra 40+ countries that the X1 isn't available in and PS4 wouldn't have sold 7 million (unless your telling not one PS4 has sold in any of those countries) Now add those countries to X1 and the gap is a lot closer then you like to think.

[Boody-Bandit]

Can we please stop the' "PS4 is 25% cheaper than X1 and in double the markets" nonsense?

MS released the XBOX ONE in the markets they did the best with the XBOX 360. They built a device that is geared towards those regions and is taken a lot of work to get them ready for the other regions they have yet to release in.

In reality it makes it harder for Sony to compete in the same regions as MS, which are the bigger markets in gaming as a whole, to allocate enough units. That is why for the 1st few months you could barely find a PS4 in those regions. MS should at the very least be running neck and neck with Sony in those territories and they're not.

That is a tired weak argument. If Sony didn't have allocation restrictions because of being in so many territories they could've stuffed the main regions and would've still arrived at the same sold over numbers. It's just they would have even bigger leads in the areas the XBOX ONE is in. That's common sense. Maybe those that argue other wise should use some.

As for price?
Seriously. PS3 / 360. Does that ring a bell with anyone that wants to argue price is a factor? Again, just another weak argument. The PS3 out sold the 360 from jump and was at a higher price point most of the time.

[jamsam360]

Xbox One is not world wide like PS4 Either! Lets see where the numbers are when that time comes around! 5 Million for just the countries it is in Is not to Shabby!

[TheTowelBoy]

The countries it is in.. it's getting beaten, still. So the point is kind of mute.. no offense, but outside North America the Xbox brand doesnt really hold a lot of weight.

[BlackTar187]

Have you seen the lifetime sales for games and units for 360 outside of the US? They are nothing to brag about.

If Xbone isn't winning in NA then every other territory means very very little.

The areas that weren't big on 360 sure as heck won't be big on a new system with alot of bad press worldwide.

[kingdom18]

And the PS4 is still beating it in those countries! The other ones only represent a small portion of the market.

[TFJWM]

If they were in more countries their number would still be 5 million...Since its not sold thru. There would just be more in customers hands

[SpinalRemains138]

Its losing in every territory.

Please explain how having xbones in more territories next year will change that?

Wherever there is a ps4, there will be an Xbox One with a smaller install base. From Timbuktu to Portland Oregon to Tokyo to Buenos Aires.

It is selling less because it is inferior and weaker. Global positioning and logistics don't come into play.

[jamsam360]

If you PS4 Fanatics had it your way all other console makers would bow out and All hale the Playstation brand! By it self think about what that would be like for a minute!All the aspects! It would be a sad world! Oh wait you would just go after the next tatrget which is PC. I love my inferior Xbox one That plays the same games as your PS4! Excluding Exclusives that look pretty damn good to me! And i am having fun! With my four Kids! I am not getting on every forum every day saying Discerning crapp to people to make myself feel better! I am glad i am not a PS4 Fanatic!

[Jaqen_Hghar]

that just means it has more to sell to the other countries. Sony can only make as many as MS. They are selling everything they ship unlike MS. They would sell just as much if they had concentrated their sales in certain areas like MS because it doesn't change how many they make.

[zeuanimals]

@jamsam360:

"I am not getting on every forum every day saying Discerning crapp to people to make myself feel better! I am glad i am not a PS4 Fanatic!"

Did somebody say... Irony?

[Azzanation]

What these fanboys don't understand is they think its winning when there's a 5000 unit sale gap in NA. Compare sales of just the 13 countries and sure its still sold more then X1 but not 2 million more like the graph shows.

[Copen]

You're completely clueless and full of shyt. It's 5 million units produced for retail there's not 5 million xbox ones sold to customers. The number sold to customers is around 4.2 million. Sony ' s Playstation brand is a well established world wide brand that's why they were able to come back and beat MS last gen despite the higher price and MS having a year and a half head start because Playstation sells world wide more than Microsoft ever has that's a boni fide FACT look it up. And for that reason alone Microsoft selling in more markets wouldn't matter they'd still be just as behind as they are now the Xbox brand is dead outside of NA & UK that's it there is nothing else and they're being beaten in the only 2 areas they cater to. I hope now you realize how ignorant you look I sure as hell do and others do as well so accept the facts and get over it.

@Jamsam360 The PS2 generation with no competition produced some truly great games and went on to be one of the best generations the gaming industry ever had so the argument that "competition is needed" to get the best out of the hobby is flawed. While "competition is good" it's not required especially with the type of shit MS tried pulling with their DRM trip so no fuck MS they're toxic to the hobby.

[trancefreak]

Both consoles need each other and I think we all know why.

If both consoles do good we as gamers win. I know Both Sony and Microsoft want to be on top but they need each other to push a healthy industry.

Lessons learned in the past made Sony rethink their strategy as with MS and their DRM. Gamers spoke and the corporations listened. This is how it should be.

[SpinalRemains138]

MS disgusts me. We gamers need MS like we need a bag on our hip.

Stop with the "oh we need MS to do well too", crap.

No we don't. They make gaming more expensive while giving less, and their sheep gladly accept it. We don't need MS to do well.

[cheetah]

All MS have brought to the table is cheap tactics like paying off reviewers to get good reviews, buying exclusive content from developers and misleading advertising to the bobbleheads that buy their products.

The competition they bring isn't worth the stain they have left over the industry.

[rainslacker]

I'm all for healthy competition, I just don't feel that MS brings much to the table when it comes to gaming. I also feel they have motives that aren't in the interest of the gamer, so while I'm not calling for them to bow out, if they left I wouldn't be phased one bit. I'd rather a company that wants to bring good things to the industry and work hard for the customers respect try to make it's mark on gaming.

[Cryptcuzz]

Competition is indeed good, but I don't know man, when Sony dominated big time during the PS1 and PS2 days, there was so many good, original and memorable games that are considered classics now.

I'd like to see that happen again.

[insomnium2]

Holy shite there are a lot of sane comments on today. Agreed with everyone commenting to trancefreak.

[Silly Mammo]

I agree with everyone. MS has introduced a lot of negative aspects and practices to the game world. I would not miss them if they left console gaming. I miss the days of Sony vs Nintendo vs Sega. It was less about $$ and more about who had the better games. IMO

[showtimefolks]

7 million sold
5 million shipped

i think xbox one is about 4-4.5 million sold

i thought titanfall would help xbox one a lot but even to so called IT app couldn't save xbox one early in its life cycle

[SilentNegotiator]

Looks like MS is pulling another Surface; force out the units now, worry about demand later. What's REALLY important to the MS big wigs is selling a story to investors with inflated numbers.

[insomnium2]

My god how much I agree with this. I'll vote for a bubble up for well said for this comment sir.

[AndrewLB]

That analysis is completely inaccurate. Sony's use of the term "sold-through" was referring to how many they've sold up to and including the beginning of April to retailers.

Why?

Because the use of the word "sold-through" or "sold-thru" in the business world is ALWAYS a percentage, NEVER an absolute number.

Only in some instances in the publishing world is it anything other than a percentage, but it's rare.

I almost lost my first serious job after college because of the incorrect use of this term, so I know it very well.

Only in the publishing world is the term used referring to sales to the end user. This would typically be items like books. It can also apply to music, movies, and video games but doesn't include rental copies.

Sony's use of the term was used in the most typical way which is referring to the amount sold during a period of time, which in this case was from release up till and including early April.

[NYC_Gamer]

"It’s not all doom and gloom for the Xbox One, however. Just because the PS4 is selling phenomenally doesn't mean Microsoft’s console is selling poorly. In fact, sales of the Xbox One are outpacing the Xbox 360 by 60 percent in the same time frame according to Medhi"

That's just pure PR spin..I doubt the suits at MS are proud of the beating that Xbox One is getting every month at the hands of PS4..MS made tons of mistakes with the Xbox One and now Phil will have to try to rebuild the whole Xbox brand in terms of being 100% gamer focused.

[Bigpappy]

Nah. Those are very good numbers. Just read them an move along.

[RiPPn]

The bulk of the numbers were sold at launch. Now let's look at 2014, Microsoft announced they had shipped to retailers 3.9 million as of January 1st. As of this article they have shipped 5 million. That means they have shipped only 1.1 million consoles in 2014 and let's not forget these are "shipped to retailers," not "sold through to customers." Those numbers are far from good and that was with the massive marketing campaign for Titanfall and the huge retail discounts. Now there isn't an exclusive AAA title coming to the system until sometime this fall.. it's hard not to think the Xbox One is in trouble.

[Copen]

@Rippn Very well said bcs when you look at it from that perspective it is really shocking how poorly the x1 is selling so far in 2014 with all the bundles and Titanfall hype. Just goes to show you money and marketing plus brute force doesn't win out if the game isn't what it's hyped to be. I'm quite sure IF (here I go) ok IF you solely count how much Titanfall sold only on xbox one it still got outsold by Infamous SS despite coming out later in the month and nowhere near the marketing campaign that Titanfall had. When you look at it from that angle EA lost money Microsoft wasted money they could've used on a game just to try and make Titanfall something it was never going to be it's a epic lesson if you're receptive enough to learn it.

[mhunterjr]

It's not really pr spin... It's just the numbers... The ps4 IS vastly outselling the xbox one... The xbox one IS off to a better start than it's predecessor. Those are facts... I spin is when you interpret facts in a way more or less favorably than the reality.

[randomass171]

Gotta count your losses as well as your wins. Titanfall sold a lot, so that's a plus for Microsoft. And even if PS4 is selling better, that doesn't necessarily mean Xbox One cannot be profitable, especially if they are selling that much software.

[Anon1974]

"In fact, sales of the Xbox One are outpacing the Xbox 360 by 60 percent in the same time frame."

Actually, when you look at the numbers, the Xbox One had a great Christmas quarter. 3.9 million units compared to the 360's 1.5 million units the first Christmas it was available.

The second quarter, Jan-Mar the 360 moved 1.7 million units. The Xbox One, 1.1 million. The Xbox One no doubt came out of the gates faster than the 360, but already in it's second 3 months on the market it's performing worse than the 360 did for that same period after launch.

[hkgamer]

add 1st quarter and 2nd quarter up. and what do we get for the first half of the year? xbone outselling 360.

TBH 360 wasn't breaking too many sales records when it was out i think. I mean the PS3 was selling as much as the 360 in the same timeframe.

anyways still good news for MS and Sony. Don't forget that MS is making a ton of money probably a bigger chunk more than sony on these consoles.

[Anon1974]

The point is that those pointing to the Xbox One sales and saying "See! It's outselling even the 360," well, yeah..but that's not telling the full story. It started off stronger than the 360 and then tapered off already far more than the 360.

Obviously, the console needs to be out longer before we'll get a clear idea of how they're comparing, but while the 360's sales grew 13% from it's first quarter after release to the next, the XBox One's sales have plummeted over 70% from it's first quarter (3.9 million) to it's second quarter on the market (1.1 million). This is based on MS's recent, 5 million figure.

I'm not inferring anything from this, I'm just cautioning that perhaps it might not be the best thing to draw too many comparisons between the two launches yet. Currently, what's more relevant (at least, I'm sure to developers) is which of the new console is going to have the largest install base the quickest, not how it's selling relative to the previous gen.

[DragonKnight]

So let me get this straight...

When the 360 and the PS3 were competing early in the previous gen, a lot of people said "the PS3 is selling at a faster rate than the 360" but that didn't matter.

Now that the PS4 is beating the Xbox One, the only way to make the Xbox One look better (and to be honest, it's not selling badly so that needs to be removed from people's minds) is to say "it's selling better than the 360 did at this point in its life"?

Geez, there is more flip flopping in the gaming media, even small sites, than the entirety of Mitt Romney's Presidential Election Campaign.

[testerg35]

Or when Sony didn't comment on NPD sales and Sony fans said they are being humble about it. MS commented on 360 NPD numbers and Sony fans said MS just likes to brag. I guess its ok for Sony to do it now?

[BG11579]

It's selling faster than the 3do or the Jaguar or the CD-I...

[rainslacker]

If MS keeps selling at the pace it is now it will maintain a healthy install base. Over the course of time, it won't matter if PS is beating it. If it has enough of an install base it will get support.

Publishers won't ignore a large install base, however, if PS4 vastly outsells it, then there will likely be less multi-plats over the long term. A smaller install base also means MS won't spend as much on exclusives since they won't sell as much.

Their current sales aren't terrible, they just look lackluster when compared to PS4.

[Majin Uchiha]

Here comes the great flood of duplicate articles lol. PS4 is in beast mode is all, Xbox one is doing Fine.

[erictaylorkid]

Xbox One is outpacing the Wii over the same period. Perspective. Both consoles are doing well, but the PS4 is doing Extremely Well.

[randomass171]

^Yup. This. Hopefully more of us Sony fans will remember this. BOTH are doing well and all the fans are going to benefit from it.

[zeuanimals]

The Wii? Didn't it do something like 5.90m sold through in its 4th month? I think you mean the Wii U. The Wii also had crazy demand, probably higher than the PS4's. The only problem is Nintendo sucked at supplying it, but every Wii that could be found on shelves was gone within minutes during those early 2 years.

[Aquariusgamer]

let's not forget that wii was a lot cheaper than ps4. if ps4 costed 200 or even 300, it would be doing wii launch numbers easily.

[patrik23]

7 million sold vs 4 million sold

almost 2:1

[u got owned]

huh? I thought they just announced Xbox is at 5mil.

[imt558]

Yes, they announced it. But the problem is that number are "sold-in" or SHIPPED to retailers.

[MightyNoX]

SHIPPED 5 million. It's a sleight of hand, word play to fool the easily deceived.

[u got owned]

@ imt558 / MightyNoX

Yes its sold in. But let me guess the 7 mil from Sony are to customers, right. Oukeyy....

@ grimlash

i'm not even gonna waste my time with you.

[n4rc]

This is a bs word game IMO..

We want to debate sales then it simply doesn't matter.. Those units have all been sold.. Retailers dont buy more stock then they need or expect to sell..

Sold to customer only really applies when talking install base for software.. And thats an incredibly hard number to even know.. It involves every single retailer disclosing their sales which I don't see as likely.. At least not in the frequency some would like you to believe

[Genuine-User]

5 million shipped to retailers, not sold to consumers.

[Platinum_k]

...it doesn't get any clearer than what the article says.

Please read it and gain some knowledge/facts

[Magicite]

By the end of this month, it will be at least 2:1.

[randomass171]

What? You mean in two weeks that PS4 is going to make it to at least 10 million? That'd be quite a feat but I don't see either console picking up THAT much slack. o_O

[randomass171]

Um, Xbox One is actually at over 5 million. Check the facts dawg.

[LordMaim]

5 million shipped. Stacking them up on retailer shelves doesn't make customers want them.

[Ron_Danger]

Post the link dawg

[SpinalRemains138]

Unless Best Buy employees are plugging in all 50 Xbox Ones on their shelves and buying games to play on them, no it isn't at 5 million.

[ThanatosDMC]

Jan 1, 2014. MS said they had 3M + 900K stocked. Four months later they went with 5M. They sold/shipped 1.1M Xbones in four months. That's really bad.

PS4 at the end of 2013 had about 4M and now just announced 7M. They sold about 3M within the same time span. Sold through to customers and not stocked in retailers.

[choujij]

@Microsoft:

If you don't want to tell us how many Xbones have been sold through to consumers, then why not at least give us an update on how many more zombies have been slayed?

[ATi_Elite]

Nice recovery Microsoft with your SOLD IN stat.

7 million gamers have a PS4
4 million gamers have a XB1

this almost 2 to 1 lead will increase to a 3 to 1 lead after E3 unless............

Microsoft has a Exclusive that can move units like Gears of War did for the X360 because as of right now Titanfall is NOT it.

[GasTankKiller]

You are correct. Anyone know which "exclusive" he is talking about? Angels have been known to ware them and its not wings.

I'm waiting for its release before I buy.

Edit: I love it when people disagree with me and leave no comment why. Shows how simple minded and uneducated they are.

[GasTankKiller]

Really no one has an idea. Gears is a fantastic exclusive but not as hot as...HALO.

Its HALO people. HALO is the exclusive Microsoft has that will help sell systems. Its one of the main reasons I bought my PS4 first.

I have no other reason to buy an Xbox One until then, and I'm sure that I'm not the only person.

Price is the second reason I've held off from buying the Xbox One. But I'm sure that will change before end of year.

[HaydenJameSmith]

So Sony announce they have shipped 7 million units and MS have announced 5 million units shipped and then everyone say that retailers have sold 7 million ps4 units and 3.9 million xbox one units... people are so naive...

Fact is PS4 shipped 7m, x1 5m and both are selling well... PS4 is just selling much better...

[pandaboy]

you're kidding right?

[TheGreenMan]

@n4rc,

Says who? Says Sony as part of their official SEC filing. They cannot falsify information on a fiscal statement because doing so would be counted as deceiving shareholders. Yet you're calling others naive....priceless.

[Malice-Flare]

sorry, the 7m is the PS4 user base, as in PS4s in the customers hands and paid for. not SHIPPED figures...

[n4rc]

Says who?

Stop being naive and think about that for a second

[tuglu_pati]

I said it before say it again. The is no way to know exactly how many units are sold to costumers.

[TheTowelBoy]

@n4rc

Read the last paragraph, please. Geez. http://m.ign.com/articles/2...

[marlinfan10]

@towelboy

actually if you go to the sony website it just says 7 million sold world wide, no where does it say specifically to consumers.

[kingdom18]

@daniel2115 actually if you go here http://www.prnewswire.com/n... it will say sold to consumers.

[Oner]

I can't believe people STILL think/claim that it's not possible to track consoles sold to customers (or anything for that matter)...if you can track what was sold to the store you can track what was sold out the store to the customer.

Look, here's real world application + useable "power of the cloud" to prove it ~

http://www.salesforce.com/a...

or

http://www.checkbox.com/blo...

or

http://www.informationweek....

And all of that should be nothing new. Hell I've been schooling people on Sell Through (for Sony) & Sell In (for MS) for years (going by these old posts 1 ~ http://n4g.com/comments/red... 2 ~ http://n4g.com/comments/red... and I honestly don't understand how there are still die hards who STILL just don't want to accept fact/truth.

[n4rc]

Ahh.. Some random website huh.

I see.. Even if sony themselves said sold to customer.. So what? Like they (or anyone else) hasn't bullshitted you before.. If called out, it was a typo..

Point is.. How many retailers in the world are selling these consoles? How many were bought in bulk to sell on eBay?

Sold to customer is a bs number thats an estimate at best.. Sony sold 7m to retailers, that's it.. If they shipped 9-10m then that's what they would have said.. PR 101

They can choose to use the sold out claim (even tho I can buy one right now without issue) to say all 7m are sold through.. Doesn't mean it isn't bs

[rainslacker]

@n4rc

I'd be inclined to give your argument the benefit of the doubt, however all last gen Sony reported shipped numbers. I know this because Xbox fans were always pointing it out that they were shipped numbers, and not sold-through.

It seems odd that now, with a new gen, that Sony would suddenly make the mistake of reporting sold through numbers when they meant shipped numbers when it goes against their MO. I'm sure the terms they use, were exactly what they wanted people to know. Press releases rarely make mistakes of this nature.

I also don't know why it's so hard to believe. They were at 6 million last month, and they've been selling about 1 million a month. Also, retailers aren't going to be ordering more if the ones they have aren't selling to the customers.

[Oner]

Absolutely phenomenal people still try to argue against clear fact.

Sony and Nintendo are the only console manufacturers to report actual sold to consumers numbers.

Microsoft is the only one of the three who still wordplay about "sales" by using shipped to retailer (Sell In) as an attempt to bolster/hide their numbers. I guess you don't remember MS stuffing channels with the 360 huh? Seems like old tricks die hard with them ~ http://informationarbitrage...

Both Sony and Nintendo made announcements all the way back in 2006 in fact. This is directly from Sony in 2010 about it:

----------------------------- -------------------
Source ~ http://news.spong.com/artic...

"We said we'd asked Sony exactly how it did calculate its sales - and which territories it covered. A spokesman for the company has now responded as follows:"

"We calculate our install base by 'sell through' and have done for the last four years I believe", we asked for a little additional clarification...

"We classify 'sell through' as the number of units consumers have actually purchased from retail. 'Sell in' is the number of units we've sold to retail."
----------------------------- -------------------

So while certain gamers STILL try to play down, deflect, misinform and straight out lie when it comes to what is actual truth, it won't work because there is more than enough proof out there to support this factual information.

Here are multiple links that confirm all of the above over the years ~

http://kotaku.com/5157636/s...

http://www.joystiq.com/2008...

http://www.psu.com/PlayStat...

http://www.prnewswire.com/n...

I've said it before and I will say it again...Isn't it funny how certain gamers continually try to make this claim ~

"All companies report what they have sold to retailers"

But for some odd reason NEVER produce any amount of links or evidence to support that blatantly false statement? It's always just their opinion. No links. No facts. No Proof...just empty claims.

Seriously give it up already. It's completely possible in this day and age. I mean what do people think? That it's the 1950's and that there is some Pocket protector wearing bookkeeper with Pencil/Paper in hand with an Abacus on his side who tabulates orders/sales or something manually?

FFS. Give it up already.

[MysticStrummer]

No. Sony has announced numbers sold to consumers. MS has announced sold to retailers.

[bleedsoe9mm]

which matters more to the retailers than it does to ms . a sold xb1 is a sold xb1 as long as the retailers can find a way to move them and buys more .

[ThanatosDMC]

@Bleedsoe9mm

A stocked console wont be able to buy any games.

[LordMaim]

Yes, Sony shipped 7 million units... right before they sold them all. Which was what was announced.

[Platinum_k]

...read the article

[Tales RPG addict]

PS4 has become the new PS2. So it seems.

[tuglu_pati]

That's for sure

[Hercules189]

So you're saying that the PS4 is one of the weakest consoles now.

[PrinceOfAllSaiyans]

So really the Xbone has only sold around 4 million units.

[T2]

Well I have seen people estimate that shelves could contain up to 900k xb1, but there's not really any way to know. Could be anywhere from 250k to 1 million

[TKCMuzzer]

It's simple stuff, if they had "Sold" 5 million to customers they would have said so, just leave it be, it is what it is.

[mcstorm]

Good numbers by both Sony and Microsoft. It will be interesting to see where Nintendo are at now but I do hope Nintendos numbers start to be good soon too as for me I want all 3 to sell well.

[CertifiedGamer]

Microsoft counts xbox one systems shipped as systems sold. I would say the 5 million number is fabricated and the real numbers sold should be around the numbers vgchartz has.

[DarXyde]

XBOX One is selling pretty well, and PS4 is selling better. Both consoles are selling well.

The end.

[Illusive_Man]

How can those in the Sony camp say stuff like "Yea, it's in less markets but still is getting beat". Who cares? Sales and sales. Let's say XB1 was sold in an equal number of markets which currently stands at 56. Let's just say in these additional markets, MS sold 1 million to customers.

Let's also say out of the shipped numbers, MS sold only 4 million to customers.

4 + 1 = 5 million

5 vs 7 million, PS4 sold 1.5 times more. Still decent considering price.

We can pretend those other markets don't really matter but they DO in fact Help Sony. Corporations want to sell as much as they can and in as many places as possible. Saying these markets don't matter is ignoring their collective contribution.

Regardless Xbox One needs to do better, a lot better.

[hkgamer]

can't really be compared like that since they have to adjust the numbers of consoles to the right territories.Also have to see how many MS acually have in stock.

But it is true that the more territories available the more will be sold.

[Why o why]

Dude....I heard that the year, year and a half headstart the 360 had over the ps3 didn't matter.... like so many others have already mentioned, the x1 is being outpaced in every single region its in and the regions its not in weren't strong ones for the xbox. I mean, every little helps but it wont help that much. Just imagine if the ps4 had a year headstart.....forgettaboutit

Time to just forget the sales argument for now and move on to something else. Right now, ps4 is Floyd Mayweather

[zeuanimals]

The markets the Xbox One aren't in have never been big on MS consoles and have always preferred Sony consoles. That's why MS hasn't released them there, because they won't do well and they'd prefer to focus on the few markets that it can actually do well in.

[blahblah123]

The real number that matters is that 20 million games sold. The console sales are purely potential. What made the 360 relatively successful wasn't necessarily the console sales numbers - like the Wii worldwide numbers, it was 360 owners bought more games overall than any of the others console user base.

It's the same thing with Android vs. iOS. Android is on everything, but the market share comparison is meaningless, iOS users are massively outspending Android users on content and Apps.

That's why Microsoft had so much riding on Titanfall. Even if it goes multi platform on sequels, MS wants that install base to keep buying the sequels on XBO. Same thing with Mass Effect and the earlier CoD games. The user base was much larger on 360, I had both and the MW online numbers were paltry on PS3 in comparison. Sony really needs that group of consumers who make the business sustainable, they need to keep the users who are buying most of the games and shelling out $60 for a game every month.

[Chevalier]

They are outselling in software and Destiny and COD will outsell Titanfall easily. EA are the big losers not Sony. They had a chance to buildup mind share and have 6 months of sales without Destiny in September or COD, Evolve, Borderlands to impede them. Now their next shooter will launch surrounded by that heavy competition and they lost any opportunity to buildup that regular buyer as they won't release Titanfall till 2016 at earliest on there 3 year game rotations. They managed their product poorly and if they get low sales as a result how is that Sony's fault?

There are plenty of shooters and if EA actually was forward thinking and preparing for the future they should have entrenched themselves on all platforms early, it's too late now now and they will launch annually surrounded in the fall by at least 3 other shooters. They release late October every year and 2 weeks later a new COD. They're going to be pinned between COD, Borderlands, Halo, Gears, Destiny and Evolve as well every single year. If they entrenched now the Titanfall would have room to breath and grow their user base.

[Aquariusgamer]

itt people who didn't actually read the article and don't understand that ms has only SHIPPED 5 mil to store shelves, not sold 5 mil to customers, while sony has actually SOLD 7 mil to customers.

I'm not trolling or anything, but some people are making arguments without having read the article or understanding its contents.

Oh well, I'm still waiting until next Christmas before I buy either console, just to see where they both stand, and which one has the better games, before I decide to make a purchase.

[Predaking77]

So, after all the Titanfall hype, the price cuts and massive campaign still the xbone could not top the PS4 and cannot even present sale numbers sold to customers.

[SpinalRemains138]

Right, even after we've seen Titanfall!

Crazy

[slutface]

suicide watch at ExBox offices.

[WilDRangeRrfc]

I have PS4 and X1 but your comment makes me laugh,suicide watch at ex box offices (Xbox),MS could give away Xbox to Sony and they would still be 100 x richer,you die hard Sony fans are getting to cocky,when you want to say stuff like that remind yourself of reality MS>Sony by a much larger margin than PS4 vs X1 sales,ALOT larger,Sony are laying off people daily and are broke,we all know how rich MS are so get off your high horse and be a true gamer and buy both if you can afford it,Infamous and TF for me this weekend I win you vile fanboys lose

[Predaking77]

@WILDRANGERsfc

You are in the wrong article. If you want to talk about what company is richer then go to a wall street Web site. Here is about CONSOLES AND GAMES and Sony is clearly kicking Microsoft very hard. Also, with all that money that Microsoft have, they have never won a single console generation nor have the best selling console in history as Sony. This is about gaming and passion and Sony has proven to be the King in the console arena.

[Gore-Content]

PATHETIC!!!

[PS3and4_HAS_GAMES]

Sony still bussin a$$!!!!!!

[superbomberman]

The way everyone seem to say it's over for MS for selling so well but not as well as Sony - and therefore they should fold and get out of the console market... what does that say for Nintendo? How come none of the so called smart analysts and unbias "journalists" don't tell Apple to close shop too since Android is whooping it's butts on mobile and MacOS sold less than Windows 8 on the desktop?

[hkgamer]

that because apple sells hardware and android is software.

same thing for windows and mac. apple sells hardware to earn profits.

[larrysdirtydrawss]

UnbiasedOpinions + 2h ago

Please remember, PS4 is 25% cheaper than X1 and in double the markets, everyone seems to forget this and spreads doom

be happy both are doing well, PS4 is leading but lets not act like Xbox is dead

those are little countries that the xbox brand struggles in to begin with.theres a reason why ms didn't launch there yet and are taking there time.. and this particular xbox,is the less appealing one yet

[hkgamer]

agree.
both selling well, PS4 is just killing it thats all.

Xbone maynot be selling more but they are selling at a good price for MS. they must be getting more profit per console right?

[DoubleM70]

They are PS4 sells at lost and the XB1 sells at a profit. AMD is the big winner because they make $100 bucks off each consoles sold.

[No_Limit]

Glad I have both! End of story.

[DefenderOfDoom2]

in order to read full story, watch this car commercial ! ARE U KIDDING ME!!!!!

[Mrveryodd]

Love my xbox one

[cyhm3112]

People loved their dreamcast too.

[No_Limit]

And the Vita and Wii U.

[MultiConsoleGamer]

It's embarrassing that they even have to resort to the whole "sold to retailers" spin that Sony used for many, many years.

Of course when one product is sold in 55 markets and another is only sold in 13, it's obvious the former is going to have greater sales. Anyone who thinks that doesn't make a difference is clearly a moron.

Meanwhile PS4 maintains a lead in almost every market where it competes with the Xbox One. Now is the time for some serious strategy MS. Better get your game together.

[bleedsoe9mm]

sold in sold through doesn't really matter since they are both sold by the manufacture to the retailer . the numbers that matter are 5 million in 13 markets and 7 million in 54 markets , both are great numbers for sony and ms .

[Flames76]

Wow over 5 million sold in 4 months in only 13 countrys thats amazing.No other console could have done that.Hell the PS4 is only at 7 million and its in 59 countrys lol

[jjonez18]

Anyone care to do the math and figure out about how much 60% of xb360 sales were at 5-6 months after launch?

[corvusmd]

Good point, I wonder if XB1 can make up 2 mil consoles in 46 other countries....they aren't the big markets, but I'm sure that would at least bump them a million consoles (Esp if it was done way back in November when it launched). Oh well, neither here nor there...it's only in 13 countries right now...but it's far from over...

Oops, wrong link..that was supposed to be a reply to Flames 76

[shysun]

"5 mill Sold-in to retailers"....what do you think that means?

[jjonez18]

"Sold-In" numbers have more to do with production than anything. If Microsoft had produced 10 million consoles up to this point and sold them to retailers, this number could be 10 million instead of 5.

With their logic the wii u is the best selling console on the market, since they've shipped more than twice the amount of wii u's as Microsoft has xbox one's

So technically xbox one has not officially sold 5 million consoles. Just shipped 5million.

Therefore spreading to more markets would not be much of a bump, (besides the consoles held back for September launches) since they are producing the same amount of xbox's per month and that's what they report.

[DoesUs]

XB1 is at 4.5/4.6 SOLD to customers...PS4 is at around 7.2 SOLD to customers. I'm laughing at the MS die hards trying to further add spin to the already spun official MS NPD comments. And no Corvusmd, 1M will not be sold in the territories where XB1 has not launched!

So, what's next for MS? What's the new "well wait until" scenario?

[DoubleM70]

Why are you laughing? You just want Sony in this bussiness alone? You don't like variety?

[Chevalier]

PS2 had the most diverse gaming selection by itself so who gives a flip if MS disappears. You think those publishers won't make games for PS4 if there is no Xbone? If you do keep dreaming.

[Hello_World]

No way....because we all thought Xbone would keep up with PS4. Kappa

[DJ]

So Xbox One only sold a little over 1 million units from January through March, while PS4 sold 3 million units in the same time frame. That's insane, especially with Titanfall's release last month.

By the time E3 rolls around PS4 will probably be at 8 million units and Xbox One will be at 4.5 million. I know it sounds a little early for doom and gloom, but if Microsoft doesn't counter the negative buzz then sales for XBO could actually slow even more.

[DoubleM70]

Wow you just gave the PS4 1 million more units and the X1 will not sell anymore units up until June.. SMH...

[shysun]

Fuzzy math!?!!??? -_-

[Dorwrath]

Ahhh look at all these shareholders.