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Xbox Boss Says Xbox One X Advances More Than Visuals, Improves Game Physics

Microsoft hopes Xbox One X can show the ways in which a new console can improve a gamer's experience, outside of prettier pictures.

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tyasia02506d ago

Uh what happened to the Microsoft physics savior "power of the cloud"? And as far as animations go, get back to me when any Microsoft exclusive has animations that are anything close to Uncharted or Horizon.

Neonridr2506d ago (Edited 2506d ago )

the article isn't talking about player animations in Xbox exclusives. It's how devs can utilize the additional power of the Xbox One X for things like in game physics improvements, etc. It's not all about visual improvements. The game specifically mentioned was Madden, a 3rd party multiplat title.

Ashlen2506d ago (Edited 2506d ago )

The X's power is irrelevant considering all versions of a Madden game are going to use the same engine. So as long as games are on both Xbox One and X the physics will be the same.

And as far as animations go regardless of who makes the games at the moment Uncharted and Horizon have the best animations in gaming. So all the talk of X making things better seems pretty pointless when they haven't made games that can actually make use of it.

Neonridr2506d ago

@Ashlen - I don't discount either of those two games, I own all Uncharteds and Horizon too. I just meant that the chest pumping is irrelevant to the article in question.

Just because something uses the same engine doesn't mean tweaks can't be made here and there. I am not a game developer so I cannot fully speak on those matters, only what is being said in the article.

sonarus2506d ago

The xbox one x will be the most powerful console on the market when it releases. Only games will show how much they actually take advantage of the power in the console.

It is rather ironic though to see the Xbox one X power being touted so much. Same people who downplayed the PS4 power dominance over originial Xbox One and placed their faith in the cloud. Honestly i wish Microsoft success. Competition is very good for all consumers and we gamers are the consumers. If Xbox 360 didn't hit so hard Sony wouldnt have been compelled to work as hard developing masterpieces (masterpiece to me anyway) like Uncharted and Last of US.

Ultimately i want to see better games not better looking games. At this point i become less and less impressed with each graphical jump. What i want is more fun games and more game diversity.

BigWan782506d ago

@neonidr...

Ur tryin to reason w/bitter fanboys/girls...

these plastic boxes are detrimental to their lives...

It burns them deeply that One X is coming...

It also troubles them, that Xbox will never lack in power again from here on out...

And half who brag about "the games" probably dont have the games they brag about...

rainslacker2506d ago (Edited 2506d ago )

And it probably won't do that as it has to maintain compliance with the original Xbox.

This is one of those places that I talked about back when these were rumors, that the actual games aren't going to change beyond the superficial graphics stuff. Physics is a game design thing, and if the stock console can't do it, the mid-gen console just isn't going to do it.

Games with more complex physics may run better on the newer system, but developers aren't going to developer their physics engine around the more powerful hardware. They don't do that now on PC, they aren't doing it on PS4P, and they won't do that here. For all the power that MS is giving developers, it's mostly going to waste.

The best way to think of a mid gen is that we're now entering a time where we're just going to have cross-gen type ports. The principal is the same. Runs and looks better on the newer system, but the underlying game is essentially the same. The development of these two different versions is much streamlined compared to the more traditional console generation, but other than that, no developer is going to spend excessive resources to design two entirely different game designs to appease what will be a very small segment of the overall market.

Mithan2506d ago

Which won't happen. Physics isn't turned on/off like that. The majority of developers will not have branching code paths in anything but graphics. A couple developers may do extra work if it's in their budget, but this will far from be the norm.

DarXyde2506d ago

It has a beefier CPU. Who is surprised that it can do physics better?

If anyone is, they don't understand game development in the most rudimentary sense.

DJStotty2506d ago

@ashlen Just because a game uses the same engine does not mean parity across platforms. Different hardware will utilise the game engine in different ways.

Thats like saying because the PC version uses the same engine as the console they will look and perform the same physics wise

Mr Pumblechook2506d ago

Phil Spencer shouldn't be having to use words to tell us about the power potential, there should be at least one exclusive to SHOW US. I know Microsoft have to support the standard Xbox One, but the Xbox One X has so much power and all these new features - but if it will only ever be used for a 4K upgrade then it will be wasted.

Godmars2902506d ago (Edited 2506d ago )

@sonarus
"The xbox one x will be the most powerful console on the market when it releases. Only games that actually take advantage of the power in the console will show that power."

Fixed.

And again, the issue is that MS have said, by the "All Access" declaration, is that the X1X full abilities will never be fully utilized. If its not compensating for a full multiplatform title it'll be compensating for the XB1 or Win10 PC. It will be a middleman system.

To show what can really be done with it, it needs exclusives. Dev teams directly purposed to get the most out of its hardware.

Atanasrikard2505d ago

@godmars
"And again, the issue is that MS have said, by the "All Access" declaration, is that the X1X full abilities will never be fully utilized. If its not compensating for a full multiplatform title it'll be compensating for the XB1 or Win10 PC. It will be a middleman system."

So I guess all those people who talk about how they have a supercomputer that can run everything at 12K 140fps should probably shut up too then, huh? I mean, if an old 1.8ghz 4 gigs ram computer with an onboard videocard has to be able to run something then their supercomputer isn't being utilized, amirite?

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Sonic_Vs_Mario2506d ago

Crackdown 3 releases this year that takes full advantage of Azure cloud.

andrewsquall2506d ago

"Full advantage"? You don't have a clue what that even is lol.

travestyj2506d ago

lol that is BS they started spouting years ago to help promote their cloud services. The thing doesn't even work, that's why the game hasn't come out after years and now looks like a downgraded Xbox 360 games.

Dragonscale2506d ago

If the cloud was anything other than hyperbole, it would have been utilised on xbone by now. There would be no need for scorpio.

Jmanzare2506d ago

@andrew
Its pretty straight forward. The cloud servers handle the physics

Critic4l_Strik32506d ago

The E3 demo says otherwise mate

QUIMICOMORTAL2506d ago

With 360 looking graphics...

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donthate2506d ago

It will be shown at gamescom and at which point you can pick up the jaw from the floor. If you only play single player games, then the physics will be improved with Xbox One X over all other consoles.

Rhythmattic2506d ago

WTF U talking about, Orig Xbox One owners realising they've been lied too all along?

andrewsquall2506d ago

There will be NO JAWS dropped with the last gen looking Crackdown 3, regardless of awful looking buildings falling down on a practically empty map that doesn't even have something like 40 players in it like Resistance Fall of Man, PSN 2006 launch levels.
How many times do you have to be told this? Are you the only one that didn't get the revelation at E3 2017?

Dragonscale2506d ago

Saw it at e3. Looks like a 360 title, the cell shaded look doesn't really help.

LP-Eleven2506d ago

You walked right into this one. Never mind the PC in this conversation.

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solideagle2506d ago

I know you love ps4 games but just saying physics is totally different than animation. Animation is nothing but masked real people running...in my very humble opinion

ForeverTheGoat2506d ago

You working overtime for Sony today aren't you lol.

DAEMONIFEAR2506d ago

Those games animations are linear and terrible lol

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jasonpugh2506d ago

Don't be upset because this console has more potential than the one you selected and you need to somehow justify it in your head that it's inferior. Just be happy with what you like.

boomtube19872506d ago (Edited 2506d ago )

1080p to 4K leap isn't very huge in terms of real world visuals. I rather they use all that extra power in running games at 60fps in 1080p or higher. Higher frame rate has more impact on gameplay than say resolution which only makes the artistic representation better. Gameplay should always be most important therefore Frame rate should always be king.

BadElf2506d ago

lol calm down bro. Go have a cigarette or something, wow.

QUIMICOMORTAL2506d ago

they do say basically anything, don't they? First it was okay the game, not the resolution, then direct 12 would improve xbone a lot, then the power of the cloud, then true 4k is not really true, then 22 exclusives that 2/3rds are only timed...

PrinceOfAnger2506d ago

Gears of war 4 / Ryse / qauntum break

Atanasrikard2505d ago

The cloud can not be utilized now that they had to change from "always online." You only have yourselves to blame.

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SpaceRanger2506d ago

Improves physics...huh, I can hold them to that.

It truly is starting to sound like DX12 and cloud nonsense again.

Neonridr2506d ago

maybe, I guess time will tell when the games release and they do comparisons between the versions.

tyasia02506d ago

So until then lets just say what ever no matter how crazy or unrealistic since no one can prove it wrong!

Power of the cloud will be like 100 Xbones! DX 12 will give you 10x the framerates! Physics will be so good Isaac Newton's brain will explode!

/s

P.S. Phil hates console wars!

Neonridr2506d ago

@tyasia0 - no, all I mean is it's pointless to claim it can or can't do something until the game actually releases and we see for ourselves.

tyasia02506d ago (Edited 2506d ago )

@Neonridr

"no, all I mean is it's pointless to claim it can or can't do something until the game actually releases and we see for ourselves."

Well i won't disagree with that.

But my point is... If Microsoft is going to say all sorts of crazy stuff while not showing anything and taking the stance of "prove us wrong" especially when no one can prove them wrong since the thing hasn't released yet it's equally fair game to question everything they say.

And on top of that Microsoft has an obvious track record of making dishonest claims when it comes to software and hardware performance. Thing they have said have been proven untrue time and time again in both the PC space and console space. So don't question people for being skeptical.

donthate2506d ago

DX12 did significantly improve gaming. If you can't see that, I doubt you can see anything else.

tyasia02506d ago

No, it really hasn't.

Most games that have both options still run better in DX11 Even games like Quantum Break which were designed for DX 12 get better frame rates in DX11. And in the few cases where DX12 has higher frame rates it has been an extremely minimal difference.

It's like game mode which was all talk and hype but ended up doing basically nothing and in many cases actually lowered FPS.

Shadowlee2506d ago

Why ofc, tyasia is blind to any thing postive for xbox lol

Aenea2506d ago

Tell me, what significant improvements in gaming have you noticed on the Xbox One because of DX12?

OpenGL2506d ago

How exactly? On the PC it only helps a little bit in a few specific titles using specific hardware configurations. Vulkan did a lot more for DOOM than DX12 has done for anything else on PC.

Dragonscale2506d ago

@aenea, you could say that about most of MS' promises this gen lol.

AmUnRa2506d ago

Yeah DX12 improved gaming, ON PC, NO DX12 did almost nothing for the Xbox One. Al that talk about DX12, the Cloud, hidden GPU etc. that would make the Xbox One more powerfull than the PS4 was all PR b*s.
Microsoft is a bad loser.

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Shadowlee2506d ago

Cloud may have been over hyped (crackdown hurry up already) but dx12 has lived up. Many unstable games became locked and saw 10-15% improvements.

tyasia02506d ago

That is just flat out not true. In fact most gaming forums will tell people to use DX11 for stability.

And you just made up those percents on the spot because those are also just flat out wrong.

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Shadowlee2506d ago (Edited 2506d ago )

I guess those games updates that saw increased fps werent do to their dx12 patches my bad. 😌www.redgamingtech.com /esram-pe rformance-improves-15-dx12-inf o -xbox-one-analysis/

tyasia02506d ago

@Shadowlee

First off you link is broken.

Second when I fixed it (i guess) it linked to some french forum that didn't show any stats or info or facts. It was basically just one guy who I assume was saying there would be a 15% increase, I can't read french so I can only guess though the post was only about 2 sentences so I am fairly sure i get the basics.

And as for Xbone the console still struggles to put out games at higher than 900p.

Basically I'm not really sure why you are arguing. Console preferences aside (using PC as the reference) DX12 has done very little to improve gaming over DX11 that's basically agreed upon in gaming communities and review sites across the internet.

Allsystemgamer2506d ago (Edited 2506d ago )

Nope. Not true. I have a system running 8.1 and a system running 10. Next to no difference. Maybe an extra frame or 2 occasionally but a lot of the time 11 runs better.

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Bruh2506d ago

It can though, GPGPU computing allows physics calculations to be offloaded to the GPU instead of the CPU...meaning with the massive gain in GPU horsepower its very well within technical possibilities to do exactly what he is saying. Thought you arm chair engineers would at least know that....is DeVry cutting down on courses?

SpaceRanger2506d ago

"is DeVry cutting down on courses?"

Calm down lol playing at 720p-900p these last few years has really gotten some of you all riled up lately with all of this Xbox One X news.

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XiNatsuDragnel2506d ago

Improved physics= Dx12/Cloud talk again?

Death2506d ago

Improved physics and advances in GPU's ho hand in hand. People disagreeing are simply new to the concept.

XiNatsuDragnel2506d ago

Its more excuses that MS put out this gen.

rainslacker2506d ago (Edited 2506d ago )

True. But developers don't design their games with two different physics engines. So long as the stock X1 has to have compliance, we're not going to see huge advances on the X1X. At best, certain things in the game may run better on the X1X, but the base physics engine is going to be written to accommodate the lowest common denominator.

One can argue it all they want, but on PC, it's been like this for decades. It's not going to suddenly change for Scorpio, particularly since Scorpio is going to be a fairly marginal part of the overall install base.

It's easy to say that X1X can do all these things, it's quite another to assume and insinuate that the X1X WILL do all these things. I can base my assumptions on how things are now with corollary examples, while some others are making their assumptions based on their own desires, disregarding any actual real world examples of why it's likely not going to live up to MS own insinuations.

MagicBeanz2506d ago

Nope physics will be the same across the high end platforms, Spencer is full of it. The power was supposed to be about res and frame rate, now that we are seeing that outside a couple of games it didn't happen they are looking for other excuses to sell people on.

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sk8ofmnd2506d ago (Edited 2506d ago )

Phillip Spencer sit down and stfu... We will see here very soon how much all these things will matter to the gaming masses. Hope to god you report shipping #s only to go back into hiding 😂

Once again i repeat... Only xb1 exclusives will take full advantage of the power of the "beast" which most ppl dont give 2 fncks about.

Forza, Gears, Halo, ect could run native 4k 60 and the +60 million ps4 owners and +4 million switch owners wouldnt bat an eye...

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Xbox President Sarah Bond's Bloomberg Interview Is Corporate Fakery At Its Best

Saad from eXputer: "After Arkane Austin & Tango were shutdown, Xbox President Sarah Bond spoke with Bloomberg in what I believe to be utter corporate fakery."

gold_drake1d ago

im not really surprised by that, shes always been more a "let me talk about something else than what u want to know" kinda gal

Cacabunga17h ago

If what they are doing is that good, what’s the point of hiding the true story?

anast21h ago

She's a caricature of the shareholders.

PRIMORDUS19h ago

"Shareholders" I call them cancer, they are already rich to begin with but need more and more. It's like a disease, with no cure.

__y2jb3h ago

If you have a pension then you are likely to be a shareholder in these big tech companies yourself. To demonize them as 'heartless rich people' shows you have no idea what you're talking about.

anast1h ago(Edited 1h ago)

@Y2

Of course, it isn't about that. You are attempting to set up a self-righteous strawman to stir up some kind of ignorant mob mentality.

And by the way, most everyone is a touch heartless or we wouldn't be able to consume the products we do knowing very well how they are made. People have to be this way because of self-preservation and convenience.

Leeroyw16h ago

I own shares in game companies. I'm not anything near a major share holder. I just want them to make good games and be successful because of that. I think it's the senior management that's the problem. They are the ones that should be making it clear to the shareholders what creates growth and ensures a future of their business. Not this weasle words garbage that she did on the interview. It was horrific. I don't know a shareholder that would be happy with any of them for this.

Profchaos15h ago(Edited 15h ago)

Same and I'm not rich by any stretch like most people's I'm just trying to keep my head above water these days most company's shareholders are made up of everyday people it's amazing how companies think we want something but the reality is we don't.

Disney are probably the worse at the moment it's shareholders voted on ending a lot of the crap and outing the current execs the execs turned around and said no we disagree with the shareholder vote

PRIMORDUS11h ago

I meant at the rich fucks who have millions in the bank already. They are making so much per year, that if they don't make what they are expecting they go into a panic, when in reality it will not even hurt them at all. Those are greedy assholes.

anast2h ago

"you have a pension then you are likely to be a shareholder"

Pensioners don't make any decisions about anything. Obviously that is not what this is about.

CrimsonWing6921h ago

Yea, it was and it’s insulting that they think we’re dumb enough to fall for this. Look, the truth was you took a gamble on these studios and while they released some games to critical praise and great reception they just aren’t bringing in a ROI. Be transparent, you’re not a politician.

Just tell everyone you spend money on projects big and small and when money isn’t being made you go over the potential of revenue a studio can bring in vs those that can’t and make the hard decision to chop them.

She says this whole thing about “success” doesn’t fit one meaning for each studio. Well yea, a small budget production isn’t going to expect to sell the same as a large budget production.

One thing I wish they did though was let Tango be an independent studio.

TheGamingHounds20h ago

disheartening to see no regard for the human cost of business anymore
the bad decisions and judgements of these CEOs severely impact the frontliners
these fake responses are just salt on wounds

RoadRacer20h ago

imagine havin the audacity to say "we need more games like hifi rush" right after closing the studio that made it lol
followin up with this show of "deflecting every question" was in poor taste

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CrimsonWing6921h ago

Alot’s changed in 25 years. We have games with $300 mill budgets, people not interested in games other than Fortnite and Minecraft, the older generation of gamers giving up the hobby or dying off, a period of super bad inflation where the industry decided to hike up prices on games, Gamepass harming game sales, GaaS games being pushed left and right with obnoxious monetization and worse looking/playing (Suicide Squad vs Arkham Knight).

The industry is just shite right now. Games ain’t selling, games cost massive amounts, businesses can’t bleed money and this is what happens. Part of it is on them and part of it is on consumers not buying.

Yi-Long10h ago

Consumers ain't buying because of what they're selling; There is no new SSX or Burnout, everything is now Online Required, everything is 'service', etc.

Indies are still delivering the goods, perhaps even better than ever, because those are often the guys and gals who know what they want to make and just make that and hopefully we dig it as well and support it ...

... but when you look at those multi-million budget AAA games, are they improving on what we have had before? Is the new Forza Motorsport better than a Forza Mototsport 4? Is Halo Infinite better than Halo 3? Is Dragon Age 2 such a huge improvement over the first Dragon Age? Etcetc.

Yeah, graphics have gotten better, worlds have gotten better, but I think a gaming generations stands or falls with diversity and experiences, and a few gens ago we had access to whatever we wanted, so if we wanted a boxing game we picked up one of the boxing games, if we wanted snowboarding we'd pick up one of the snowboarding games, if we wanted to do a rythm game we had DJ Hero, or Guitar Hero, or Rockband. If we wanted to sneak around we had Splinter Cell or MGS or whatever.

We had variety and we had options, and that makes or breaks a generation, imo. You're in a foodcourt of games and they're serving all kinds of different cuisines, and so you'd pick and choose whatever you felt like that day.

Right now, you're in a restaurant, and you're only allowed to pick from one menu, and there's a dress-code, and you have to register, and you have to stay in your seat, etc etc.