Destiny 2 To Run At 30 FPS On Xbox One X

Destiny 2 is set to be a major centerpiece for Activision this fall. However, it seems Bungie won’t be taking advantage of what is currently considered ‘the most powerful console on the market’, the Xbox One X.

[ShadyDevil]

Welp, guess I am buying it on PS4.

[freshslicepizza]

PC for me.

[New-Breed]

Same here. It may be coming out over a month later on PC, but at least that'll give me time to ensure that Bungie held up to their promises as the console reviews appear. Also, that ultra wide/4k support.

[slappy508]

Same I'd rather play it 1080p 60fps and with a mouse, keyboard

[MegamanXXX]

How is the Destiny userbase on PC?

[XanderZane]

It's 30fps on PC too? If not, then there's no reason it should be 30fps on XBox One X.

[Critic4l_Strik3]

@MegamanXXX

Destiny 1 didnt release on PC

[Gaming_Cousin]

Xander... Ummm pcs are much more powerful than XoneX

[blitz0623]

Definitely the parity clause, exactly the same as Gears 4 being 30fps.

Wait a minute...

[Arnon]

Like I said, there will be compromises. No console can run a game on high settings/4K/60 FPS unless the game itself uses little resources (2.5D platformers for instance).

Having a lower resolution so as to grant higher performance settings and 60 FPS is probably better than a 4K resolution that has the detail of its image compromised due to bottlenecking. Yes, it will be a higher resolution, but the level of detail will be low. It's a bad example since we're talking 3D here, but imagine playing a 2D game in 4K. The game is still 2D and the amount of detail displayed in the game will only go so far even if the resolution of the screen is UHD.

Plus, any display can be a "retina display" (which is what makes 4K resolutions so nice) depending upon the distance that the screen is being viewed from. A retina display (coined by Apple) means that, at a certain viewing distance from the screen the pixels of said screen become indistinguishable to the human eye. So it can very well be the case that running this game at 1080p will benefit you more than running it at 4K.

I see little reason in sacrificing the quality of the game itself just to fill a 4K display.

[UltraNova]

So Sony has a parity clause for Crackdown 3 as its 30fps too...?

Funny how things work...

There is no forced parity get a grip, people playing the game on the OG consoles and upgraded ones have to be in a level playing field, this is fact, this whats fair, nothing more nothing less no matter what bitter agendas some of you have.

[thekhurg]

@obamacare

Or they're keeping 30fps because having a small portion of Xbox/PS4 owners playing at 60fps and the rest at 30fps would create a balance problem in crucible.

[Sevir]

THE game runs At 30fps because XBO and XBO S run at 30!!!! Not rocket science... has zero to do with Sony and parity!

Most powerful platform is still only tied and strung along by the tether of that weak XBO 1.3 tflops.

[freshslicepizza]

I dont think there is any parity clause and now Microsoft has shown they too just like Sony are not interested in dividing its userbase. However if Bungie has proven they are not interested in pushing hardware because i believe Destiny was 1080p on both the PS4 and XB1, so chances are the Xbox One X wont be any better than the PS4 Pro.

But al least they are not sacrificing the PC version and allowing it to be played at 60fps, which will make a world of difference.

[freshslicepizza]

@Aenea
"You changed your tune huh?"

No, I figured out long ago Activision is all about making money and will do shady tactics like sign exclusive DLC deals. Bungie on the other hand are showing their limitations as a developer because even Activisons bread and butter IP Call of Duty hits 60fps. Thankfully the PC still exists.

But don't worry, Sony will be grinning ear to ear as they push Bungie to make sure it runs in native 4K while they can't even get their own in house studios to do that for AAA games. Now that's magic!

[jaycptza]

PC will be the best way to play it. Destiy is clearly CPU heavy hence teh One X and 4 Pro not being able to hit 60fps

[Aenea]

@moldy

Yes, you changed your tune:
"moldybread23d ago
Well if Sony is trying to create parity then that is pretty damn scummy if you ask me. I also find it oddly ironic that they were able to offer native 4K as though Sony is doing everything in its power not to appear inferior to Scorpio. So if they take this to the next level ands bribe Bungie not to offer 60fps on Scorpio then I would like every media site from all sides of the globe to talk about it."

[threefootwang]

Lots of misunderstanding here, Xbox One X was never catered as a 4K 60 FPS box.

It was catered directly as a native 4K box, nothing more. FPS optional.

Don't believe me? Go back and read up on everything Phil Spencer said regarding Scorpio/One X.

This is being blown way out of proportion.

[joab777]

It is gorgeous and buttery smooth. But I bet many, many people but it on console first just to play it, and then grab it on PC too.

[joab777]

@Arnon I agree. At least give us the choice b/C Id most likely play PvE at 4k and PvP at 1080/60. I don't see why this isn't an option. Oh well!

[darthv72]

PS4 and Pro will be 30fps as well. If the issue is the least common denominator (the base xb1 and ps4) then the same rule applies to the beefier systems of XBOX and PS4 Pro. They too are bound by the lesser units.

PC will be the place to play for uncapped frame rate, resolution and variable settings.

[morganfell]

"It's 30fps on PC too? If not, then there's no reason it should be 30fps on XBox One X."

Wrong. You are buying into the marketing that says the X1X is equivalent to high end PCs. It isn't.

[Sm3000]

Hell yeah

[fiveby9]

I'd really like to play it on pc but think I'll end up on PS4 as that's where most of my friends will be playing. Perhaps I will also get for pc.

[DigitalRaptor]

You're really not a person of conviction are you?

You know what you said, and Aenea proved it. You went all fanboy conspiracy on us, and tried to yet again suggest Sony was the villain, as if it was ever going to be the case. Now you're conveniently walking away from owning up to your confirmed and widely verified agenda. Here's another burden for you:

"If Scorpio doesn't have any real advantage performance wise it has Sony wanting parity all over it!"
http://n4g.com/news/2059384...

[freshslicepizza]

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Fast forward to 9:40, Gamespot thinks there is some sort of parity clause going on

[UltraNova]

Moldy what did Gamespot think about the revealed parity clause MS forced 3r party fevs to adhere to back in the 360/ps3 days?

Get a grip man things have changed this gen devs will optimise to the strength of each console in single player and keep a level playing field on multiplayer since they now have to cater to lowest denominator mainly the xb1 and ps4.

[Ceaser9857361]

let me be the first one to say

One minute silence for those who mocked PS4 PRO and said its gonna be 60fps on Xbox scorpio... :D

[Ceaser9857361]

richardkissar...

Relax... The one minute silence is used everywhere.. you dont have to relate everything to this ... I thought being matured enough you would understand that...

[trooper_]

Lol!

[Snakeyes646]

Its down to Bungie not hardware....gonna be getting Destiny 2 on pc i guess, gg Bungie, lazy or what

[Knockknock]

One minutes silence for those mocking 30FPS on Xbox one X when playing the inferior ps4 pro version.

[fiveby9]

I suspect the reduced frame rate for both Pro and X1X are related to the CPU's not the GPU's in both consoles. Not sure, but is my guess.

[Azmatik]

lol and the comments on here defending it are pathetic. This is really bad for Microsoft and Bungie too IMO because Bungie is giving Xbox X a bad name already plus if Bungie doesn't start making 60fps games people are going to get mad, this isn't 2010 anymore. 60fps is the new standard and games are much more enjoyable at 60fps to watch or play and don't give HUGE advantages just slight. People are defending Bungie and the Xbox X stating unfair gameplay advantages and blabla. So PC is uncapped FPS and someone playing 30fps on a PC vs a 60fps player or 100fps player all of a sudden doesn't matter? You don't hear PC players bitching about FPS advantages. This is unacceptable and almost makes me want to boycott Bungie straight up.

[IceKoldKilla]

I laughed at those people. Who the hell thought they would allow players such a huge advantage over Xbox One players? It's like they never had common sense. On a multiplayer game, I mean come on! Think people!

[Saranya]

XxX for me(i mean Xbox One X)

[Cryptcuzz]

Getting it on the PS4 as well. Why not? Exclusive strikes, crucible levels, gears, weapons and exotics.

I called the Xbox One X would run this game in 30 FPS as well. One didn't even have to think about whether the hardware can or cannot. The Xbox One X is just an iterative console meant to play Xbox One existing games and future games.

http://n4g.com/news/2059108...

It'll share the same players as the OG Xbox One.
How would trials of Osiris or serious crucible players feel about playing against players with double the FPS compared to them? Common sense.

@moldy or anyone else. You want to say again, oh MS is doing that with Forza players on their console and PC players? Tell that to a developer that isn't owned by them. One that would have to deal with the players backlash if it isn't implemented properly.

Let's also throw away any parity talks or pointing fingers at Sony. Only parity clausr Xbox One X has in an online multiplayer game like this is it's younger brother; the Xbox One.

[Gh05t]

" ...players feel about playing against players with double the FPS compared to them? Common sense."

PC gamers do this all the time. not really that big of a deal.

[Cryptcuzz]

@Gh05t

There are things that are the way it is on PC, because it's an open platform compared to how consoles are.

Consoles are meant to be plug & play. No difference in speed of RAM, CPU, GPU, HDD, whether one is single or dual GPU set-up, etc.

PC is more like the wild west. Low FPS or high FPS together, it's not a problem. It's more like survival of the fittest. Since it's an open platform, you can spend all you want on whatever hardware and get whatever advantage you may want. Nobody will argue that in an online multiplayer lobby, those running at 30 FPS,. Will simply yet destroyed by those running at 60 FPS.

What works on consoles and PC aren't as simple as bringing the same idea over to the other.

Case in point, try to have an online multiplayer game on consoles many are performing at 30 FPS and then there are others in the same lobby at 60 FPS.

Likewise, try to bring over the multiplayer subscription found on consoles over to the PC and see what happens. They'll be backlash and they'll be out for blood.

So @Gh05t.
PC gamers are PC gamers. There's a certain expectation when playing on the PC and one who plays on the PC knows it's a don't-give-a-damn-about-yo u attitude. Wild west, like I said. So also remember that PC gaming, with easy access to background programs and such, you'll get more cheaters, aim-bots, hacks, mods, etc. Etc. Etc.

Pick your poison. Just understand it isn't that simple-minded as you think.

[Parasyte]

It will run at 30fps on PS4 as well. Bungie has said it will be 30fps on all consoles.

[super_cuddles]

Switch is where it's at dawg

[iplay1up2]

Why? It is only 30FPS on PS4 pro too. The PC version I read just now can do up to 144FPS, This article is misleading. BOTH Console versions PS4PRO/XB1X =30 FPS. https://www.vg247.com/2017/...

[Malacath]

Why?

Is it 60fps on ps4?

It's nothing to do with the power of the xbox one x anyway. It's because of cross play.

Apparently you need all players to have the same frame rate in multiplayer. Otherwise there will be lag.

There would need dedicated xbox one x lobbies to allow 60fps.

It's games that allow 60fps by standard like the COD games where the extra graphic power will matter

[iplay1up2]

No, that is why I posted a link that shows, the PS4PRO/XB1X BOTH run at 60 FPS...PC is up to 144FPS

[XStation4pio_Pro]

i just read that destiny 2 is the first paid for parity release. sony paid to have bungee run it at parity on both systems. how the tables have turned.

[Aenea]

I just read that MS ;put XBox division up for sale...

See, I can spout nonsense too, back it up with evidence, then we can talk.

As if the X1X is so much more powerful, CPU wise, than the Pro that it can do double the calculations per second! It's hilarious!

[demonicale]

Welp, guess i'm not buying it at all then :)

[joab777]

Exactly. So am I. My opinion, and many will disagree, is that this is part of Sony's deal. They have worked closely with them and paid a lot of money. There's no way they were gonna allow the PS4 to be the 3rd best option. If PC is 4k/60 and released the same day, and X1X is the same, what would be the point of exclusivity for those choosing?

We can argue whether it's possible to run mp at 1080/60, as I personally believe that it is, but I also believe that the PS4 is gonna get parity with the X1, and a head start against the PC. This is my opinion! But it makes business sense!

[Knockknock]

It will also be 30fps on ps4 with a lower resolution so why?

[Clunkyd]

So much for unleashing the "beast."
LMAO

[ChrisW]

It's going to be 30fps on all consoles.

Damn... It's hilarious how you console fanboys love trying to be cute!!!

[FalconSabre]

Not overly surprised since they wouldn't want to give those on Xbox One X an advantage over the regular Xbox One.

[Guyfamily999]

The X also still has a relatively weak CPU (only 30 percent more powerful than the base system). Chances are that at 1080p, the framerate wouldn't be able to hold a locked 60.

Many PS4 Pro games only see a 50 percent performance boost at 1080p (30fps to 45 fps in FF15, 40fps to 60fps in Infamous). If the CPU is a bottleneck in a game (such as Destiny) then 30 percent more won't be able to double the framerate, even with a huge GPU boost.

[itsmebryan]

If the X is weak , then what is the Pro?

[IanTH]

@itsmebryan He isn't implying the X has a weaker CPU than the Pro - we know the former has a bit more punch than the latter. But the issue is if D2 is CPU bound in any way, it might not be powerful enough to push 60 fps steadily. It is still a *relatively* weak CPU (it is a BEAST of an APU, but historically APUs have had weak CPU performance next to their CPU only counterparts). Maybe it gets close to 60 fps, it's sure to be higher than PS4 Pro whatever it is, but if it isn't stable 60 fps everywhere, they can't really ship it; so 30 fps it is.

All speculation though. Until they tell us, we won't know. We'll also get an idea once it launches on PC and we can run utilities to see CPU utilization - games like The Division absolutely eat CPU cycles up!

[nicsaysdie]

Thank you for making an intelligent comment.

[LastCenturyRob]

The X could probably run this game at 4k/60....Why Bungie kept it 30fps has nothing to do with any bottlenecks..it is to keep the playing field level with the other xbox versions

[Soc5]

why are consoles getting such weak cpus? why the high price for basically a medium level graphics card and weak ass cpu??
haven't seen many people complain about this, but without cpu power we're not going to get any new advancements in Ai in games which is pretty sad.

[Liqu1d]

@itsmebryan Weaker.

[Npugz7]

No xboxonex creators already said it could handle s game like destiny 2 with no problems! It's a bungie decision not a hardware issue.

[Aenea]

@LastCentury

Game runs 1080p@30fps on Xbox One, to double the fps one needs double the GPU power. To go from 1080p to 2160p one needs four times the GPU power, to do both you would need 8 times the power. X1X is powerful but not that powerful.

Besides, the game engine uses the CPU for way too many things so the CPU is the reason it can't reach 60fps on consoles. Yes, the X1X has a better CPU than the others but still not fast enough for BUNGIE'S ENGINE. Not even if the game would be rendered at 480p would they be able to reach 60fps on consoles.

They could, if they really, really wanted to, use GPU Compute more for certain things but that isn't exactly easy to do *afterwards* nor is it portable across platforms...

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@itsmebryan

He didn't say the X1X is weak, just that ALL console CPU's are too weak FOR THIS ENGINE...

[Bobafret]

Please stfu, the cpu is highly optimized.

[Guyfamily999]

@Soc5
I believe that all the modern consoles use an APU, which is cheaper to manufacture (purchase) and traditionally has a stronger GPU than CPU. Chances are this inbalance is prioritization. Big GPU numbers and high resolutions are easier to advertise and show off. Hopefully this changes with time, because 60fps is more important to me than 4K.

[leeeroythe3rd]

Lmao keep it up ... you are clueless and still hanging on to your precious. Everything about it is superior to pro

[Malacath]

Nothing to do with that. Multiplayer in Destiny is optimised for 30fps. There would be problems if there were xbox one x and standard xbox one players in the same match

[nitus10]

@itsmebryan

Well the PS4pro is out now and by the time the XB1x is released in November 2017 it will have been out for about a year and will most likely be $100USD (as of right now) to possibly 150USD cheaper plus some games. As for power, obviously the XB1x (stupid name IMHO) will be the more powerful when it is released and until it is released the PS4pro is still the most powerful console.

[Dark_Knightmare2]

Exactly the reason why it's not 60 but fanboys are dumb and never actually think

[Saijahn]

Mike Ybarra already said there's no parity clause and it would be up to Devs to take advantage of the power of X1X. Sucks to see Bungie intentionally limit it.

[rockbottom3076]

Isn't there own exclusive crackdown also at 30 FPS?

[Aenea]

'intentionally'? How's that? You saw the source code and know this game can easily run at 60fps on X1X?

The game engine is using the CPU for way too many things so the CPU is holding ALL console versions back, it's not rocket science you know, it has nothing to do with the GPU in this particular case.

[TitanUp]

Completely agree. I mean if a fragment of players are running at 60fps and majority 30fps the 60fps peeps are going to have a significant advantage.

[super_cuddles]

No it's cause Xbox one x can't handle the complicated polygon checker board rendering dawg

[Malacath]

Nothing to do with that. It's because of cross play. everyone in a multiplayer match has to have similar fps otherwise there will be lag.

[Altovoltage]

Same as the Pro

[QUIMICOMORTAL]

Like new exclusives...

[AngelicIceDiamond]

Sounds like possible parity to me

[PFFT]

Yeah it is. Freaking Bungie.

[Kingthrash360]

Blame game begins.
It's not 60fps because it's cpu.
Same goes for the pro. Bungee said the fps is cpu dependant. It's not parity its capability.

[tyasia0]

There is certainly no chance what so ever that every game on X isn't going to be 4k 60fps. It's defiantly a conspiracy.

You guys are going to be so disappointed when you realize that most games will end up having dynamic resolutions and are only 30fps.

[PFFT]

I for one one wont be disappointed. At least they wont be 720P max res no more lol. Dynamic res is fine by me so long as the game sports high texture quality amazing lighting effects so on and so forth. Just a bit of what the PC currently offers.

[Phill-Spencer]

Nah don't be suprised if this happens more often. Why should third parties put in extra work for the lower install base console's powerful midgen upgrade with even lesser install base?

[modelgod]

Uh.....because they are artists at the end of the day and they want to see the fruits of their labors.

[tyasia0]

@JonnS

"Cause the game will sell close to the same number of units on either side .As long that I have been gaming never have I seen a game sell the same number of units equal to an install base."

Uh wtf are you talking about? PS4 sells more than 2x for nearly every multi-plat this gen.

That's not fan that's fact. Go to any sales tracking site and verify for yourself. Even Vgchartz can't hide this.

[Phill-Spencer]

According to vg charts vanilla Destiny sold 2.51 million on ps4, 2,15 on x1 in usa. Close indeed BUT on a global basis the ps4 version sold 5,67 millionswhile the x1 sold 3,38 Millions. I'm aware that this is vg-chartz and these numbers are estimated and probably no digital sales included but it shows a trend. 2 millions copies sold more on ps4 isn't really "close" and means alot more money made on ps4, just saying.

And ofcourse there significantly more games sold on ps4 than their counterparts on x1. In usa the difference may not be that big because the gap between the two consoles aren't that big there, but xbox doesn't have that global sales power that playstation has.

[starchild]

Nope, it's not because of any forced parity nonsense. Developers have almost always taken advantage of the hardware capabilities of the different platforms. PS4 was more powerful than the XB1 and it shows. PC is more powerful than either console and it shows. Most devs do take advantage of more powerful hardware where they can.

[SpaceRanger]

Doubt it. Xbox One X can't even run first party games like Gears at 60fps with all its "power".

[dRanzer]

You can blame MS and xbox one for that.not sony or ps4

[Eldyraen]

I expect every S/X and base/Pro multiplayer game to have the same framerates as their weaker counterpart for parity's sake. Some might get a visual or resolution boost of course (more and more as we see both upgrades out in the wild) but Devs won't want any kind of actual gameplay disparity for multiplayer games. For anything more esport related it will be even more true.

[Guyfamily999]

Games that are bottlenecked by the Xbox One CPU will also be bottlenecked by the CPU in the X. It's a 30 percent CPU bump. Same improvement as the Pro. Destiny happens to be a game that's hard on the CPU more than the GPU (hence why it's identical on PS4 and X1 despite the PS4 having a more powerful GPU).

The X couldn't run Destiny 2 at 60 fps.

[starchild]

Yep, I wish people understood this.

[XanderZane]

Most likely and this will probably be the case for the MP games. Single player games with no online portion should all be 4K native / 60fps.

[Dark_Knightmare2]

Well ac and quite a few others are already proving that to not be true

[Bruh]

Yeah with base Xbox One, NO developer would split a competitive MP game like that

[Gh05t]

PC players have different FPS while running many multiplayer games (Overwatch, Counter Strike).

Is Destiny 2 locked on PC otherwise they also will have variable FPS depending on what your system has.

[Dark_Knightmare2]

Yes parity for og x1 owners and x1x owners. Seriously do you think bungie is dumb enough to piss off the bigger Xbox fanbase which are og x1 owners by putting them at a massive disadvantage if x1x would be 60 and them at 30 that's just dumb to even think lol.

[its_JEFF]

If a 1st party title like Crackdown 3 is only running at 4K30... what makes you think a multiplat game will run at 4K60? Both games seem to be CPU bound... what the weakest part of these consoles? The CPU's! Going to need more powerful CPUs for that... oh yea, there will be some games that hit that but they won't all be able too.

[4U2NV]

So why is crackdown also 30fps? Obviously its a designer choice? not some secret agenda or conspiracy lol. for goodness sake this site! 🙄

[TKCMuzzer]

Eh, hardly anything at the MS conference was running at 60 FPS on the 'X' i'm not sure why Destiny 2 could magically achieve this. If the power is not there to do UHD 60 FPS, then it's just not there. It's quite obvious that for most games they are going to be 4K 30 FPS because the console is just not powerful enough, people need to accept this now or we are in for a lot of pointless articles over the next couple of years.

[thekhurg]

Yeah parity with OG xbone.

[Tussin187]

Then explain Crackdown and that's an exclusive. You guys really set yourselves up for this. You seen that 6tflops and automatically assumed certain fps. That's not how hardware works nor is 60fps so easy to achieve like most of you on here make it seem.

[starchild]

It's not because of any forced parity. It has everything to do with how the game uses the hardware. It's CPU bound and the Xbox One X doesn't have as significantly upgraded CPU as it does on the GPU and memory sides of things.

Just watch, the game will NOT be identical on the PS4 Pro and XB1X. Same target framerate, but that doesn't mean the visual quality aspects will be the same.

[rlow1]

I'm guessing part marketing deal, and part parity to the lowest denominator are the reasons. Oh well, I can't say I.'m not surprised.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

I was thinking this myself. The thing is there was no parity between PS4 and X1 I even remember #PS4NoParity back then. So why start now? Naww I think this is BS considering PC will be 60 if consoles could be 60 it would be but with one console possibly being capable than the other but not being utilized is wrong.

Its not about power that's not my argument its devs not utilizing the consoles strengths properly when they been doing it with vanilla PS4 and X1.

[Tussin187]

So that would be the X1 then right?

[its_JEFF]

Like someone said above... "I guess that parity clause is also taking effect on Crackdown 3 and Gears 4"

You guys need to get a hold of yourselves and calm the hell down with these accusations. The internet is a powerful tool for learning, search around, there are a lot of educated gamers who were telling you that 4K60 would not be the standard, that 4K60 is extremely hard to hit. Instead you guys default to this conspiracy theory without putting things into context... just makes you guys look foolish. Crackdown 3 and D2 look like they are very CPU intensive, the CPU's on these consoles are very weak. Some games will hit 4K60 but some will absolutely not without sacrificing on the visuals. Stop it with this parity BS.

[PistolsAtDawn]

F parity

[Dark_Knightmare2]

So you would be fine with your fellow x1 owners being at a massive disadvantage smh no wonder ms fanboys are hated on so much

[rlow1]

How are we haters by pointing out a possibility??? It's just speculation on our part , we aren't stating fact. Or did it allude you I used the word "Guessing" and AngelicIceDiamond used "I think". If anyones a fanboy you are, by showing how salty you are over people sharing an opinion. Unless your working at Bungie and I doubt anyone here is, its called speculating not hating. Grow up.

[v_eno_m]

DigitalFoundry gave the reasons why it can't run 60FPS

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[i3eyond the Circle]

I think its bull with a PC version out there Xbox One X should be able to utilize the 4K assets and unlocked framerate. If Microsoft want to fully flesh out the One X version they should let the engineers come in and do it themselves like last time.

All sounding like forced parity or hush hush tactics.

60fps for pve....30fps for crucible. If Microsoft is smart they'd look into creating framerate boosts that dont imbalance Xbox live competitive play.

[LackTrue4K]

But if you have a simple Xbox one user vs an Xbox X user in an online match.
You know one has advantage over the other In the Frame rate.

[i3eyond the Circle]

But I said... nevermind.

[kevnb]

the cpu is probably bottlenecking.

[its_JEFF]

It's like they didn't see the Bungie interview where they point out what you're saying... I'm a console gamer, but I try to educate myself on all types of gaming. Like PC gaming, and PC gamers were saying from the beginning that the CPU in the 1X i just not strong enough to run AAA games at 60fps.

I find it hilarious that the knee jerk reaction is that "Bungie are shit devs" and "Sony's parity clause" Have you guys seen Crackdown 3? ain't that a first party game? ain't that running at 4K60? Boy's 4K60 isn't going to happen for every game. 4K native isn't even going to happen for every game, dynamic 4K will have to be used... look at AC Origins. The plain truth is these consoles are just not powerful enough.

[kevnb]

Simple fact is that games with multiplayer raids are going to be more cpu intensive then less ambitious single player only games or even typical pvp multiplayer games.

[JOHN_DOH]

It's not just the cpu... The Radeon RX580 is a 6.2 teraflop polaris chip and it has problems running games at 4k 30 fps. Even a gtx1080ti can't run all games at 4k/60fps. It will probably be 60fps on forza motorsports (not horizon) and the 2d indie games but thats about it unless they run on low to med low settings. That kinda defeats the purpose of 4k.

https://www.techpowerup.com...

https://www.techpowerup.com...

[starchild]

I've tried to explain this to people over and over again, but some just don't get it.

It's not because Sony is forcing parity between PS4 Pro and XB1X. It's not because Microsoft is forcing parity between XB1 and XB1X. It's because the game has CPU heavy calculations and can't achieve 60fps on either the PS4 Pro or the XB1X. Both of these upgraded consoles saw relatively minor upgrades to their CPUs compared to the GPU side of the hardware. For this reason we're not going to normally see jumps from 30fps to 60fps in many games.

Now, some games that are capped at 30fps on the standard hardware may in fact be outputting around 50fps fairly steadily and the developers simply capped at 30fps for consistency. In cases like these the moderate CPU upgrade in the newer consoles might be enough to push the framerate up above 60fps average, which would allow them to cap it at a steady 60fps. Or a game may be so light on CPU demands and so GPU bound that doubling the framerate on the new hardware will be possible.

The point is, it's going to be very hit and miss, and will depend on how each game is designed and which demands it places on the hardware.

[TheColbertinator]

Meh

[Ausbo]

Wow. Don't know who's fault this is, but there's no excuse for parity across ps4pro and the X

[GameBoyColor]

given how ms is forcing parity on gears 4 and crackdown it could be them, but Sony also has a deal with activision. It could be either one.

[Dark_Knightmare2]

No that's who fanboys want to blame. If fanboys werent so dumb and would stop to think for a minute they would see it's not 60 because of the og x1 nothing to do with Sony which is a ridiculous claim to even make. Bungie don't want to put og x1 owners at a disadvantage by having the x1x be 60 fps plain and simple. There's no conspiracy and it's not sonys fault its just common sense and good business

[Liqu1d]

Or how about facing reality, the CPU isn't good enough.

[Dark_Knightmare2]

It's the og x1 fault nobody else's

[Ausbo]

Microsoft has came out and said they don't force parity across multiplayer. So you're wrong. I blame the laziness of the devs to not push the hardware. Hopefully there are at least better effects or shadows or something. A whole 2tflops they are leaving on the table here

[ShadowWolf712]

You need to learn the difference between CPU and GPU workloads, son. It would save you such a headache.

The New Box is still a Jag. You act like it's on the level of a high-end i7.

[Ausbo]

I didn't say anything about the frame rate bro or the CPU. There's a lot of extra power in the GPU so there's no excuse for parity

[starchild]

Except, Ausbo, they never said there is graphical parity between the PS4 Pro and XB1X. The framerate target is the same on both, but that doesn't mean the graphics are the same. People are just jumping to conclusions.

[ShadowWolf712]

The GPU cannot, inherently, handle all CPU tasks. That extra power doesn't mean squat when it comes to a CPU workload.

The vanilla PS4 was designed to let the GPU handle any lighter tasks to free up the CPU too. It's not a cure-all.

[Aenea]

It's MS's fault, they should have chosen a better CPU....

It's odd that people still do not seem to get that a game that does a massive amount of calculations per frame (per second) on the CPU isn't suddenly able to do twice as many with just a mere 30% speed increase over the X1...

(and only 10% speed increase over the PS4 Pro)

These calculations can't use the 'special' CPU optimisations MS added to the Xbox One X CPU, so that won't help...

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Even if the GPU in the X1X would be 1000Tflops, this particular game engine would not be able to hit 60fps...

They could move many if not most of these calculations from the CPU to the GPU tho, and they could do that on ALL consoles, but it's a lot of extra work, not that easy to do and it's not portable across platforms...

And as long as even first party titles from MS aren't able to achieve it why would anyone even think a 3rd party dev could????

[modelgod]

If the Pro was as powerful as the X I doubt we'll see this " Parity." Bungie can't stand MS and they're trying to stick it to them, WHILE still making money off of them. The only ppl they're hurting is us!

[nowitzki2004]

So how is Crackdown 3 30fps.. with 360 graphics?

"Bungie can't stand MS"

and if thats true about Bungie then they are not the only ones, and maybe there is a reason.

[AmUnRa]

Did you not know it? It is a deal between Bungie and Sony.
Sony has been demanding that the Xbox One X must have the same framerate than the PS4 Pro version. Sony is the most evil company...

O boy you xbxofanboys are killing it. You are so delusional its just sad....

[DreadGara]

Crackdown3 looks like a PS 1 remaster.

[trooper_]

I find it funny and downright hilarious that you guys are blaming the PS4 for this.

[Simmo3D]

FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL. Destiny sucks, has always sucked, and will always suck. Anthem looks much better.

[Rude-ro]

30fps too

[BLKxSEPTEMBER]

You people act like MS said the ONE X will run every game at 4k 60fps. If MS said that I'd like a link to see for myself.

[MrFisher21]

Xbots have said that. No link included. Just common knowledge.

[BLKxSEPTEMBER]

No it's not common knowledge. It's Sony fanboys making up lies just to be able to downplay the 1X as soon as a AAA game can't do 4K 60fps.

[Yohshida]

No parity please

[Profchaos]

Not surprised it's multuplayer centric why give advantages to owners of new consoles

[Dark_Knightmare2]

Lol did ms fanboys actually think it was going to be 60fps when it needs to be able to play with the og x1 yeah that makes sense smh

[DarXyde]

The CPU is 10% more powerful. Pretty sure it's not some parity clause. You're just not going to double the frame rate with something that marginal.

[TheOttomatic91]

I don't know why this is shocking news the XB1X is more powerful than the Pro but NOT by alot. If you want 4K 60fps stick with the 360 and OG BC

[Phill-Spencer]

I love how x1x fans are screaming about parity. I knew this day would come as soon as they see that most games won't take advantage of "the beast's" power.

Anyone with a little sense of thought could see this coming. When most devs already didn't bother utilizing ps4 pro's capability(a console which will very probably remain still far more popular than x1x) other than doing lazy updates, why on earth did people expect devs to put in real work for an even more niche upgrade of a already niche console.

PARITY seems to be the easiest explanation for the simple minded, who had been caught up in the delusion that exclusives don't matter but having a significantly more powerful console and a far superior third party games is more important.

I'm not implying that none of the devs will put extra work in the 1x version to take use of the machine's power, but you guys have to realise that the vast majority of the devs will only give the games a little boost, just like they have done with the pro. But false calling out for parity only makes you look stupid period.

[butchertroll]

X1 fans forgot that actually X1 is the weakest.

[Phill-Spencer]

Yes sir, i'm sure they want to forget x1 as soon as possible.^^

And it already began.

[ONESHOTV2]

lol my strix 1080ti+ I7-4790k will handle this with ease BTW i'm not bashing xone guys

[Elda]

Most games will be enhanced & 30fps like the Pro,only some of their 1st party titles & indies will true 4k & 30/60fps.

[brich233]

What is thier Excuse now? The Cpu still not strong enough?

[Aenea]

They still haven't found a way to get double the amount of calculations out of a CPU that's only 10% faster than the Pro's....

[Fishy Fingers]

Can understand not wanting to split the community and I'm sure that's playing a role in the Pro/OneX being 30fps.

Given the choice I'm sure many would prefer a slightly lower (upscale) resolution and 60fps.

PC for me if I get it.

[Gravesinger_]

Meh, don't care, they already said the PC version would have uncapped frame rates and 4k support.

Destiny on PC....the SUPERIOR version.

[Psychotica]

As with most games..

[brich233]

What is thier Excuse now? The Cpu still not strong enough?

I remember them saying that Xbox Scorpio would support AMDs freesync through HDMI, if that is true, then it would be smoother on the X at 30fps.

[Smitty2020]

I will be buying it on ps4 my friends don't own a pc or Xbox

[KilKarazy]

If Battlefront 2 can do 4k 60 on the X there's no reason this shouldn't be able to. They should do 4K 60 for all content that isn't crucible.

[mandingo]

Simply because Sony has the marketing and Bungie is lazy

[trooper_]

Nope.

[EddieT]

I want that 60+ frames. PC version for me.

[super_cuddles]

Weak sauce

[Aenea]

Yeah, agreed, MS should have waited a year and added a way more powerful CPU instead....

[LastCenturyRob]

Well, they did say they were going to keep the fame rate the same across all consoles. Oh well. Hopefully they do some major graphic enhancements on the X & the pro, but it will probably be just a resolution boost.

[KillBill]

Does any of this really matter seeing Anthem is going to rip through Destiny?

[xPaYDaYx]

Not really surprised, anyone that thought it was going to be 60 is special in the brain. That being said, Man I'm actually really pleased with the PC launch frame, I was expecting months and was pretty salty about it, I can wait a month and a half though easily.

[DeadSilence]

Crap CPU

[ILostMyMind]

We'll, it is "True 4K" at least.

[Saijahn]

So they're intentionally limiting their game smh

[Aenea]

are they? haven't seen any evidence of that, did you? If so, share please!

[LexHazard79]

Did you guys really think it was gonna run better than PS4 Pro?
I mean Sony has a deal for the game.

[ziggurcat]

marketing deals have nothing to do with the devs' development of the game or the game's engine.

[Ukgamer]

Could it be due to how far through development the game was when they received Dev kits? I have zero knowledge of how development works but if the game was initially designed to run at 30fps is it easy to then up it to 60fps? Or can that cause problems within itself?

[PCgamer98]

Sony casted parity.

It's super effective.

[babadivad]

Is this what we're doing now? Listing every game that runs at 30fps? I'm dizzy from the spin. This place is SO fucking petty.

[kent80082007]

hue hue hue

[yay111]

Im sorry but Bungie must be autistic to not be able to get it running on 60

[McGamer]

PCMR 4 life

[zerocarnage]

I'm still getting Scorpio, but guess what I won't be getting and that is destiny 2, I felt stung by the first game, but the fact that the developers have a deal with Sony and no doubt that has affected the development in someway on the XoneX, count me out on this game.

Devs should be utilising the power of every machine, regardless of deals with other console manufacturers. It all makes me wonder how shady this business is becoming and makes me a little sick to see this kind of shadyness happening anywhere by any developer.

Anyway I'm much much more looking forward to anthem, black desert online, sea of thieves and few others. Again I don't care if games are exclusive or not, so long as I enjoy the game and I can get lost in the story, mechanics the adventure and the action, blood n guts, no amount of exclusives for a console can ever come in between that, so yeah XoneX does sell for me easy.

[jrshankill]

30fps also on Ps4 pro no doubt

[trainsgofast]

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

"The new x86 cores in Scorpio are 31 per cent faster than Xbox One's,"

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

"That meant staying with eight Jaguar cores for the CPU and pushing the frequency as high as it would go on the new process technology, which turned out to be 2.1GHz. It's about 30 per cent higher than the 1.6GHz in the existing model."

Ps4 to Ps4 Pro 30%
Ps4 CPU to XB1 -9%
PS4 to XB1X 44%
It's not close and that's without DX 12.
With DX12 4k/60 is easy.
Halo/ Forza7

[starchild]

That's not accurate. If the game is CPU-bound, as Bungie has stated, the CPU in the XB1X would have to be 100% more powerful to jump from 30fps to 60fps.

[trainsgofast]

No that's not true. Bungie said that they can't run 60FPS on the Pro do to the CPU. Bungie's engine is not running DX12 on PS4 and there for 30FPS is what you get.

Path Of Exile Dev: Running In 4K/60FPS Xbox One X 2 Hours After Getting Dev Kit
"2 hours after we got the dev kit it was running at 4k 60fps"

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[corroios]

Lol, what power. It got a crap jag cpu like the pro. 60 frames beside racers not really.

Jag cpu arent for true 4k 60 frames gaming

[Vip3r]

Relish the 30fps.

[GoodnessGreatness]

"True Power"

[AnubisG]

Now what could be the reason for that? They just announced the most powerful console ever and it's not able to pull of 60fps in D2? How is that?🤔

[Brohan]

Oh come on Sony more likely said they didn't want the game to run better on their competitors console. Let's just say that's complete shit on Sonys part to keep them from building a game to utilize the power of the Xbox One X, I for one won't be buying this game plus the first was bullshit anyway.

[AnubisG]

So your conspiracy theory is that Sony told Bungie or possibly even paid them to not utilize the power of the XBX? That's cool, you got some proof of that or we are just pulling stuff out of our behinds. I'm not saying it's not possible but without proof it's just a empty theory.

Yeah, I know. Destiny was bullshit. But it would have been the best game evar if it was 4K 60fps and had exlusive content only on XBX. But since it's not....it's bullshit. Let alone the huge success it had, Brohan said it's bullshit game so it's bullshit. 😂

[Brohan]

Not even gonna consider picking this game up gonna be held back by PlayStation.

[AnubisG]

So all games previously released on both the XB1 and PS4 was held back by the XB1? Hope you don't have an XB1 than with that attitude.

Plus D2 is 60fps on PC. How come it's not held back there by the Playstation? I got an answer, you are full of it.

[JohnRambo392]

Ouch!

[EatCrow]

Well thats fine. One will clearly be more stable in fps and resolution then the other.

[Nightmar3Demom]

Sorry if I'm wrong, but didn't we already know it was 30fps across all consoles?

[cellfluid]

So much for true native 4k 60fps UNCOMPROMISED..

[DAEMONIFEAR]

Destiny to me isn't a game that pushes anything graphically D2 will be just as laggy and buggy as it always has been!

But Anthem yeah that's what I'm skipping D2 for!

[Cobra951]

Next AC at 30 fps. Next Destiny at 30 fps. Sadly, what I feared is coming true. All the power is going into resolution, not frame rate. I do believe I will pass on the XOX.

[ocelot07]

PC for me but I have a feeling most of my friends will be buying for PS4 so ill have to buy that as well.

[Glak18]

Most powerful console ever made....30 fps.

Bad enough in 2008, but 2017?

"I don't mind 30 fps, I don't notice a difference"

Pro Tip: Try playing more f&%king games and you will.

[leeeroythe3rd]

Destiny 2 on pc with cash from wow tokens... case closed

[Saijahn]

Mike Ybarra tweeted not long ago that there is no parity. If developers want to push their game to the max on X1X hen there's nothing stopping them. It's on the devs to do so, nothing limits now except business partnerships.

[KakashiHotake]

And there lies the problem. What incentive do developers have to go the extra mile on XboxOneX? Clearly PS4 has the dominant player base meaning there is more money to be made on PS4. The only way I see devs taking advantage of XboxOnex is if Microsoft shells out some extra cash. I know Microsoft has deep pockets but even they have a limit to how much they can spend on one platform.

[Saijahn]

What incentive do they have by pushing pc titles to the max? Destiny 2 will be 4k 60fps / unlocked on pc, yet Xbox has a higher playerbase than pc...your argument can't stand up.

Simply put you should want your game to shine on each platform it's on.

[kayoss]

Well it make sense. In terms of 3rd party games,the developers will determine if they will utilize the full potential power each console; PS4 pro or Xbox one X. Some developers may decide that its easier to make games to work for the lowest power system which is guarantee to work on a more powerful system.

[dcbronco]

Remember the old days when playstation fans complained the 360 would hold back the PS3? Remember how angry the prospect made them and all of the complaints of lazy devs. Guess they're over all that.

Nice to see how they have grown. Or is something else at.... "play" here?

Haha. Haha. HAHAHAA!

[MrCrabPuss]

haha consoles. smh

[PCGamefan]

PC all the way!

[gbsrnctaln]

Less of a beast, more of a pussy cat. Meow

[343_Guilty_Spark]

So 4k30'on Xbox One X and 1440p30 on PS4 Pro 1080p 30 on others

Cool

[InTheZoneAC]

Lazy that they don't have 60fps on current gen

[NotAfanBoyy]

...and PS4 Pro.

[C-H-E-F]

Well well, look at what we have here... PS4 Pro for me

[InTheZoneAC]

Maybe we'll get a new engine/optimization with D3, lol yeah right

There's no reason why 4v4 PvP can't be 60fps across all consoles

[Dragonscale]

This will probably happen quite a lot tbh, seeing as PS4 is the lead platform at the mo. It happened last gen when the 360 got some of the best versions of multiplats. Some of the PS3 muilt's were pretty bad. Just because you have the most power doesn't always guarantee the best version.

[starchild]

The PS3 wasn't actually more powerful though. It had less available RAM and it wasn't unified like the 360's memory was. The 360 also had a more powerful GPU. The Cell in the PS3 was powerful if code was properly parallelized, but CPUs aren't good for everything and many developers didn't have the experience or the time to specially optimize their games to take advantage of the Cell. Overall, for the way games were actually made by most developers, the 360 did indeed offer more performance. That is why multiplatform games almost always looked or ran better on it.

Generally speaking, more powerful hardware WILL result in better looking and/or better performing games. It doesn't have to do with supposed forced parity nor with lead platforms, it has to do with what the hardware can actually do.

[OminaeYu]

It'll be interesting to see if the PC version of Destiny can hit 60fps at any resolution on equivalent PC specs for Xbox One X and PS4 Pro. If it does.....

[starchild]

Most PC gamers are not using CPUs as weak as those in the PS4 Pro and XB1X. That is the critical difference here.

[Altovoltage]

They need to upgrade their engine I know the Pro and the Xbox X can hit 60fps look at battlefield one looks better and has a lot more going on

[azizlksa]

Not getting it anyways. I lost my interest in this game after seeing anthem.

[SirCharles]

It still has a weak jaguar cpu

[jonli1]

Is not Microsoft fault if bungie doesnt wanf to take full advantage fo the xbox one x. Is another excuse for develepor to show favoritism when they can take full hardware power of the xbox one. But decide to play down the gamers with their excuses.

[LAWSON72]

Lol this was that one thing I had high hopes for on XboneX and even that didn't happen. I would love to here Bungies answer to why.

[Snakefist30]

LOL at those Xbox fanboys!

[Condemnedman]

I'll put my money on Anthem on xbox one x

[Dragonopolis]

Bungie is not wrong here....

The first consoles this Gen from Sony and Microsoft came out on HDMI 1.4 standard and while could connect at 1080p 60hz and TVs supported the standard both consoles struggled to consistently supported it. With the PS4 PRO and XBOX One X refreshes (yes refresh not full upgrades I went there) Developers still have to support the older "original" consoles.

Even though these new refreshes support HDMI 2.0 and 60hz the older consoles don't and HDMI 1.4 4k Standard was Ultra 4k HD 30hz on TVs to begin with (so believe it or not there are some early adopters of 4K tvs that are only capable of 4K 30hz)..... The hardware situation on consumer consoles and TVs is just to messy .....

Anyways doesn't matter the original ps4 an xbox one systems were pushing to do 1080p 30hz and if a game did 60 fps there was compromise in graphic quality else where in the game.

Bungie was just assuring that 4k gamers and 1080p gamers on consoles have no FPS advantage over the other when playing. However, because of the vast hardware and the fact the monitors in the PC world have been over 60hz for a really long time it was only fair and smart of Bungie to Allow Destiny to have a Variable FPS on PC

[WilliamSheridan]

Not really news... They stated they didn't want any one to have an advantage...

[FlameWater]

How hard would it be to make 60 fps lobbies?

[WilliamSheridan]

It would be a waste of servers catering to the lowest market share. Not very economical or sensible...

[DivoJones]

Thats funny, on my Xbox it'll be running at 0 FPS and take up 0 GB of hard drive space. It'll also cost me $0 as I don't pay for less content for 1+ years after Playstation gets it.

[iistuii]

Because most people still don't have a 4K tv they should make all games dynamic resolution & get the games running at 60fps. You can take all the beautiful screenshots under the sun, but once the camera moves uuuurrrggghh that 30fps kills it. I game on PC & am well pleased Bungie has brought it across..

[Elda]

Of course it is,the XBOX isn't a complete game changer,it'll be doing mostly the same as the Pro 1080/60fps 4k/30fps ennhaced/30fps 1080/30fps.

[ziggurcat]

Not surprising. Bungie had already said it'll run at the same frame rate on consoles: http://www.dualshockers.com...

people really mistook their "we're not talking about the Scorpio version until E3" as meaning there was going to be some special announcement for the game on Xbox One X.

[cyclindk]

Is there going to be a high level of dynamism in this game? Destructive environments, or something? Physics? Even at 4K, unless they are pushing some other area like numbers of NPCs on screen, et cetera...

[Dragonopolis]

Not really. At least in the first game, most of Destiny environments were pretty static.

It was all about the players..... Not sure about Destiny 2. If it's much like Destiny not much is going on in the world other than the PCs and NPCs and the rest of the enviroment is not moving or have much dynamism or destructionism and the Big Bosses are generally just high armored slow moving targets with heavy fire power.... Really no need for 60 FPS other than to gain an hardware advantage over your opponent in PVP.......

As long as the Frame rate remains consistently locked and smooth throughout the entire game, know matter how many players and NPCs are interacting, Destiny 2 more than likely will be fine on console.

Bungie's actions as a Developer on the other hand..... that remains to be seen.

(I'm referring to drastic changing game play elements in game after one has bought the game, nerfing weapons, characters, add features then removing them even the good ideas.... The Spirit behind Destiny was a hot mess and its name was Bungie and Destiny was never they same Game throughout the expansions and that wasn't always a good thing)

The game should be fine......

[pingthing]

This is up to Bungie, not Microsoft. Are they saying it's not possible? Is this true for all console versions, I'm guessing it multiplayer parity across the hardware generations. When I read the headline, I thought the journalist was implying that the Xbox One X was inferior....silly me.

[corroios]

If even first party games dont run on the x at 60 frames at 4k why would amultiplattform. The jag cpu isnt 50 % stronger get back from the clouds and smell the reality. The x isnt a 4k 60 frames machine. It will have games running 4k 60 but not the majority . Next gen with better cpu.

Destiny was running on pc at 60 with high end cpu and gpu. Thats not the reality on consoles

[MagicBeanz]

The beast strikes............out again. But hey excuses and stuff so its ok. Apparently the easy go to is the parity clause ok that's fine then dont market your console as a 60fps system when its really not, also it would seem EA got it wrong, it clearly isn't the right time for xbone x after all.

[itsmebryan]

Let me guess the PS4 Pro can only run it at 30 fps?

[King_Lothric]

Yes but the PS4 cost 399 and probably even less by that time so what's the meaning of paying 500 if there is someone else who does it for less?

[xtheblackparade]

Maybe I can finally get in on the Destiny action, I kinda skipped the first one because I didn't like the beta, but I havent given it the chance it deserved. I see this awesome loot system and fun co op..well I have a few months to decide :)

[BIGBOSS08]

I think most games are going to be identical on ps4 pro and one x. Devs ain't going to make 3-4 different versions of their games. You'll get the base version on ps4 and xbox one s and an improved version for the pro and one x. It would have been better if microsoft actually made a completely new console that's backward compatible with xbox one but also gets its own games and released it fall 2018. Wouldnt that have been better? These mid gen upgrades are stupid and won't work. Hardly anyone gives a shit about resolution upgrades and the ones that do have already been playing in 4k on their powerful pc's. Both xbox one x and ps4 pro are completely unnecessary and have disrupted the gen a little bit.

[cbuc1125]

This is what happens when you drink the "Kool-Aid". I said it from day one that as long as this machine still uses Jaguar, this will happen. Stop buying into MS sales tactics. You will not be getting 4k/60 on all games.

[Codedan]

If they don't put effort into making it look the best it can because of the Sony deal then it will be my last time buying a Bungie game.

[ILostMyMind]

"Feel the Power"

[SamTheGamer]

Hahaha.. RIP Xbox One X

[ned17]

PC for me. PC Master Race

[IceKoldKilla]

Well no sh*t! Who the hell thought it would? Sony confirmed this when talking about the PS4 Pro and I think MS did as well. The reason? Obvious. You can't have someone with such a huge advantage running at 60fps while someone on PS4 or Xbox One is running at 30fps. Singleplayer games could take advantage of the newer consoles and run at 60fps but that's it. No way multiplayer games will give players an advantage like that. PC runs at 60fps because everyone on PC will have that.

[Tedakin]

Even if it could run at 4k 60 it wouldn't because Sony has this game locked down. There were people who didn't even know Destiny 1 was on Xbox, it was kept so out of the spotlight.

[Gunstar75]

Tell us something we didn't know

#yawn

[VaultDweller]

Likely held back by the deal with Sony. MS should have never let Bungie go. Biggest studio mistake they've made with acquiring and influencing Rare a close second.

[slavish0]

I seriously don't believe x1x or pro cant do 1080p60fps. I dont believe not having servers r better. They are cutting coners and not optimizing. I wounder if ps3 could still run this

[Artemidorus]

All this power yet it cannot skip the 30fps, this isn't the 90s.

[Kallisti]

lol

[trainsgofast]

ARK Dev: XB1X Is Like a PC with GTX 1070 & 16GB RAM; Game Runs at 1080P@60 while PS4 Pro Is 1080P@30
http://wccftech.com/ark-dev...

[King_Lothric]

My car can't run faster than 50 mph...

It must be because that parity.

(I know my car is the problem but let's just blame "parity" as everyone here).

[King_Lothric]

Destiny 2 30 FPS on PS4 Pro: $399 (probably 349 by that time)
Destiny 2 30 FPS on xox : $500

🤔

[xtheblackparade]

I just hope all these extra console 1.5 releases wont screw over the vanilla console users. Ill be in the beta for ps4 to see if they done good but game itself sure looks promising :)

[Kojjikaneshiro]

Not surprised,those Bungie whores made that deal with Sony so we all knew they were NOT gonna make the better version on the console with the better visuals.They would be hanging themselves Lol.

[Smokingunz]

That's a big no no! Microsoft shouldn't let this slide they should demand 60fps nothing less

[Zman919]

30fps on the 19? sic X1X?

[FPS_D3TH]

Lmao at all these fanboy reactions.
Ok, it's obviously not because of PS4pro so please put those comments to rest. For most it seems it's not quite so obvious that the reason it's 30 fps is because the One X is still within the Xbox one console family and there shouldn't be any advantages in terms of multiplayer competitiveness.

So no, it's not because graphiiiics, or not because PS4pro is forcing pariiiityyy, or not because Microsoft/Bungie/Sony are basic and holding back the mustard race... no. It's because 60 fps is a quicker game than 30fps and I guarantee, just from what I've seen already, that those two differences in frame rates will play very differently. An entirely different studio is handling the PC port. There is lots of reasons for this but one is to balance the game in its own way. From raids to pvp. That is all. This was expected lol. I guarantee I'll get disagrees but np, these comment sections aren't known for logic.