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Sony Brushes Off Claims Over PS3 Upgrade

A federal judge has dismissed the remaining claim by class who said Sony reneged on its promise to let PlayStation 3 video game consoles function as computers.

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blaaah4521d ago (Edited 4521d ago )

I love playstation, I love other products from Sony in general like phones, TVz etc... but I hate Sony Computer Entertainment and its executive staff.

ArcFatalix4521d ago

It's okay. You can hate :(

AntoineDcoolette4521d ago

A sad day for consumers, this is.

jadenkorri4521d ago

it sucks, and its the hackers fault, yes we all point the finger at Sony cause they took it away, but they took it away for a reason, i doubt they took it away just for the hell of it.

StraightPath4521d ago (Edited 4521d ago )

sony removed features and instead gave shitty updates. Look at how far Xbox is now with the new update..we still got the crap XMB that needs a redesign or atleast some streamlining so much junk is on one tab for no reason.

press home button in game 99% of icons dont work you have to exit SO WHATS THE POINT LOADING THE WHOLE CRAP XMB RETARDS. the friends list and trophy list and game functions as quit works..

Grip4521d ago

well u have to admit Sony are not Specialist in OS unlike MS.. so u just have to accept the XMB

Rainstorm814521d ago (Edited 4521d ago )

I agree the in game XMB needs an update urgently. but with them adding Dynamic themes i think the XMB is fine as is fast sleek and straightforward.

But the Kinect friendly NXE isnt that much of an upgrade.....some aspects are indeed better like where you see your games and friends.avatar but overall i liked it better prior to the update. The original NXE

But i do agree the 360 has come a looong way since the days of the blades menu.

yesmynameissumo4521d ago (Edited 4521d ago )

Awwwwwwwwwww

Seriously, Microsoft has had to change the dash to accommodate Kinect. The blades were ugly, always were. So they updated the blades because the XMB's back splash games load when you hover over the disc icon, alone, made the blades "look" archaic, regardless of function. XMB could use a performance boost, but aesthetically, it's always been sleek, fast and user friendly. Hell, it's on TVs.

Diver4521d ago

how bout some cheese to go with that wine?

r1sh124521d ago (Edited 4521d ago )

I think the xmb is good, but I do agree a massive overhaul is required. The Xbox updates over the years show an evolution of the product along with innovation and new thinking to the product and new/different ways to visually offer a new experience.
I think iterations of the Xbox dashboard are good, and I personally would enjoy a new version of the xmb, but I have a feeling the xmb hard code and cant be chsnged. Its the heart of many Sony devices like blu ray players, camera etc....so I doubt they will change it. The future don't devices should allow such updates but Sony are quite fixed in those terms. Not really a big issue but change is good IMO

Ryo-Hazuki4521d ago

Sony is stuck in a hard place when it comes to RAM available for the UI. Theres not enough RAM to do a redesign to improve. You're going to have to wait for the ps4 for all that

cliffbo4521d ago

i hate the xbox dash but love the ps3 xmb so user friendly

Oner4521d ago (Edited 4521d ago )

100% Agree cliffbo ~ It works perfectly for what it is intended without clutter and "flashy-ness" (plus no ads)...it has style with class and simplicity.

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gamingdroid4521d ago (Edited 4521d ago )

I'm not happy about this as it sets a bad precedent. One day it might just be a feature you cared about!

It's one thing to cancel a service, but to outright remove an existing feature you paid for and is in your possession is in my opinion a violation of consumer trust even if you don't use it.

Anything, discussing it here won't change a thing just like Online Passes.... People don't do anything until it affects them.

yesmynameissumo4521d ago (Edited 4521d ago )

The removal of the (paid for) Netflix Party feature on the 360 sucks too. The precedents have been set.

gamingdroid4521d ago

That's not a paid for "feature" as it is "PART OF THE SERVICE".

That said, I was upset about that despite it not really affecting me.

I can see that as a useful feature that I myself used on rare occasions. I hope it comes back. In the meantime use the workaround.

... but you all continue to be ignorant while wearing fanboy goggles. One day it might just be a feature you care about!

KingSlayer4521d ago

PART OF THE SERVICE you pay for? That they removed? Lulz at the spin.

Majin-vegeta4521d ago (Edited 4521d ago )

Good if that moronic Geohot hadn't used this in the first place to try and hack the ps3 you would still have it instead of being angry at Sony get mad at Geohot it's all his fault you lost other OS.

Why so many disagrees??:o

Rainstorm814521d ago (Edited 4521d ago )

Truth Hurts.... and to some GeoHot is a hero of the people fighting for our right of Digital Freedom....O_o

Edit: see below

3GenGames4521d ago (Edited 4521d ago )

And you must also love SOPA and Protect IP, right? Along with private companies running for an internet killswitch. Haha, what a JOKE. This is your freedom taken away, you've VERY ignorant to say that. That's why you have that many disagrees.

GeoHot also isn't a moron, he's a genius. He also made the iPhone more useful by creating the way of jailbreaking it first. People love him for that in the phone circle, but since it's a gaming console it's bad? That's flat out moronic right there. Plus you think these hackers putting their own programs and other OS's on their systems are the ones causing you trouble? Not really, it's the script kiddies who change a save file on their system to give themselves development perks and then ruin the online for others. It's the developers fault for even making it accessable that way and not removing them from the game at release.

And as a side note, it's not that even they were putting on other OS's as that's what it was for. It was using the GPU of the PS3. They never even made it farther than that (Until a little after) to do much else with the system. Removing Other OS hasn't stop the best hackers from hacking and screwing with the system, only makes the people who'd use it to Sonys liking not be able to use it. What a joke N4G is with this stuff. Nobody here's a developer and just eats up that spoon-fed GARBAGE from the media.

limewax4521d ago

Your definition of genius is flawed. Someone can simultaneously display genius and idiocy, at which point you are no more than a clever moron. GeoHot is that. He is a skilled hacker, and an absolute idiot for thinking he could take Sony head on after hacking their property.

GrandTheftZamboni4521d ago

When you grow up and get a job, you'll understand. Those developers want to get paid for their work. They're not gonna make games for free, just like you'd want to get paid for flipping burgers.

Megaton4521d ago

Yeah, Geohot removed it, not Sony, be mad at him. Defend the hive.

Dac2u4521d ago

There's no need for the /s tag. I feel sorry for you if you can't tell that's sarcasm.

Dac2u4521d ago (Edited 4521d ago )

I could be wrong, but I'm fairly sure that the Other OS option was removed long before Geohot got involved. I think he got involved because they removed the Other OS option.

@disagree: Yep, according to Wikipedia, I'm right.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

Arksine4521d ago

Wrong. OtherOS wasn't included in the PS3 Slim, but support wasn't removed from Fat PS3s until after Geohot circumvented the hypervisor through linux.

OtherOS wasn't "removed" from the Slim, because it never had it. Consumers were heard loud and clear, and they said that they didn't care about linux support.

Dac2u4521d ago

I didn't realize Geohot was the one trying to hack the hypervisor early on. I figured everyone above was talking about the hack that got him in trouble with Sony.

Persistantthug4521d ago

Other OS was omitted from PS3 Slims...and those came out in late August 2009. This was before Geohot started hacking the PS3.

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xX-StolenSoul-Xx4521d ago (Edited 4521d ago )

Their was a security threat, Sony had no way to control it since they are not the ones making Linux so they only had 1 option.

"As far as I’m concerned, this sets a bad precedent that companies can remove features whenever they please" Well yes they can to some extent especially if they had a threat like this.
I mean is it no differnt when a developer removes the online portion of a game? You paid for the feature aswell but it's gone.

Still Now that I have a 320gig ps3 instead of my old 40gig I would have liked to try it out. Even though my PC already has linux I dont see what much it can do.

gamingdroid4521d ago

That feature is based on the fact that the provider continues to provide that "service". The OtherOS feature did not require Sony to maintain servers.

In fact, it was a selling point!

If it is a service, discontinue the service... because it is with the understanding that services don't last, but I do expect certain feature to persist. What would you say if Sony removed ability to play Blu-Ray movies?

sjaakiejj4521d ago (Edited 4521d ago )

"In fact, it was a selling point!"

So I'm betting truckloads of consumers bought Ps3 for Linux functionality.

Here in the real world, it was mentioned in interviews and perhaps once or twice in a presentation, but the Ps3 never came with a tagline saying "YOU CAN INSTALL LINUX" when it comes to marketing. In fact, most consumers don't even know it ever had that option.

Blu Ray movies on the other hand have been marketed as a feature and selling point for Ps3, so it would be a very different case if that would be removed.

Why o why4521d ago (Edited 4521d ago )

dude...werent you one of those same dudes that bagged on sony about the psn outage. Say if another type of problem arose through the use of the other os...what then. bag on em some more... Sony are damned if they do damned if they dont. Comparing that to removing blu ray is a bit of a stretch dont you think?? I'd be more pissed if my console makers done a bait n switch on me....You know from hard to casual. They changed peoples or should i say their fans perception of exclusives from being them being important to being unimportant.. explain that one....yeah yeah multiplatform games rock too...yeah i know that but more games rock MORE and always did until...u know...

Van Persie is a beast

up the arsenal!

Arksine4521d ago (Edited 4521d ago )

That is a poor analogy. Sony isn't in the business of removing features at a Whim. OtherOS support was removed because it represented a clear danger.

Note that Sony did not forcibly remove OtherOS. It was removed by voluntarily updating firmware. Anyone who wanted to keep legacy support for OtherOS was free to do so, and many have.

This is such a ridiculous rant that fanboys like yourself are using to justify your bashing. When it was clear that Linux support represented a loophole for piracy it was removed from firmwares going forward. Simple as that.

Persistantthug4521d ago (Edited 4521d ago )

Sony said,
"We will take away your OTHER OS feature,

OR

We Will take away your Online game play functionality.

That's no real choice.....

That's an ultimatum.

This is TERRIBAD for consumers and the future of consumer purchases.
And It should have been illegal.

gamingdroid4521d ago

It's actually far worse than actually removing online play, because online play is a service. A service is expected that a discontinuation happened.

The main issue I have, is the fact that Sony made you choose between "being able to play future games and blu-ray movies" vs. "linux support".

You bought the console under the express understanding that you can play ALL PS3 games, blu-ray movies AND run Linux on it.

Arksine4521d ago

@Persistantthug
The point is that Linux was a little used feature that represented a threat to the security of the console. In hindsight I'm sure Sony wishes they hadn't included the feature to begin with. However pointing to this as some kind of starting point to the loss of critical features is overreacting.

@gamingdroid
We're just going to have to agree to disagree. Online play is a core part of the experience when you purchase a game that includes it. Linux was not part of the core Playstation experience. Once again, you are overreacting. This isn't going to lead to Plaform holders taking away core functionality.

Making the distinction between a service and a feature is grasping straws. There is little difference.

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Sony Patents To Prevent You From In-Game Harassment By Reading Your Emotions

A new patent recently published by Sony wants to gather biometric data of gamers to track whether one is being harassed using AI tools.

Profchaos1d 21h ago (Edited 1d 21h ago )

I hope this is one of those patents that never comes to fruition.

I already dislike the fact you can pay a significant amount for a online service buy associated games and content on said service and get banned from that service over potentially a misunderstanding the bans are already handed out for flimsy reasons

I'd rather see money invested in a ban that simply removes the offensive players ability to communicate with unknown players allow them to continue party chats with friends but not with Joe blow on cod.

exputers1d 17h ago

Agreed. Blizzard recently banned a college Overwatch 2 player who's dependent for saying "shit." Pretty harsh.

Profchaos1d 2h ago (Edited 1d 2h ago )

How rediculas really. You can't say a word that's allowed in most PG films and prime time TV but the game is based around killing the enemy team using guns, explosives etc.

It's just backwards.

just_looken1d 4h ago

What your talking about is called block list

In 2006 a spaceship dropped of the playstation 3/xbox 360 i say that that generation was the last great gen with game functions/tech that has yet to comeback

Anyhow the playstation 3 if you block listed a id they could not talk to you in chatroom with either text or voice. But that was pre mind fucked 2018 when people were more human than sheep.

But hey gta 6 is coming out billion dollar budget without a single player custom character creator and without singeplayer coop off/online something saints row 1-3 had on the xbox 360.

z2g1d 13h ago

Take my social security and bank account numbers too! Here’s a picture of my wife and our address.

phoenixwing1d 13h ago

Cmon where's the pictures of your children. Don't hold out on them.

H91d 13h ago

At this rate I feel Sony will eventually sell a room to play games in it where they can monitor your every breath

jambola1d 9h ago

I genuinely get a bit worried sometimes when a friend says something that could be offensive In a party
Because I have no trouble believing some bans would happen when in a private party for saying something wrong

SegaSaturn6691d 12h ago

I want them to censor erotic content by measuring my groin temperature so i dont get too distracted while playing black ops 2.

Popsicle1d 12h ago

Terrible idea. Not only do I not consent to providing my biometric data, the potential for mishandling biometric data is almost a certainty. Positive stress and negative stress can produce similar changes in biometrics. Interpreting the precise emotion a person is feeling is not only invasive but could be easily misconstrued. I hope this never comes to fruition.

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Sony Could Increase Your Game's Difficulty If It Sees You Complain About It

Sony has recently published a new patent that wants to dynamically handle the games' difficulty and gameplay based on the player's emotions.

jznrpg2d ago

This is something I might use. Sometimes I play some good games but they don’t have difficulty option and are a little too easy.

Profchaos2d ago

Souls games will be like that players struggling make it harder

PassNextquestion2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I think if used correctly it could work well

jambola2d ago

cool idea
cool idea for horror games especially
the way it's explained here sounds like it could never be forced hopefully, so that's ok with me

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Sony Taps Bungie's Head of Revenue to Lead Live-Service Games

Sony has recruited Bungie's head of revenue Jaremy Rich to head up its live-service gaming division, Rich has announced on social media.

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ChasterMies22d ago

Please do not put Destiny’s monetization into Sony’s first party games. The monetization is what’s driving players away from Destiny.

just_looken22d ago

The new temp boss is the sony cfo bean counter so i can see this being a thing get every penny.

Cacabunga22d ago

PlayStation officially losing it.. fans will never support gaas games

just_looken22d ago

@car

The new boss did a interview in japan he wants to tap into the mobile market like nintendio so he give 0 fucks about gamers/fans

https://www.pushsquare.com/...

Redemption-6422d ago

@Cacabunga
You only speak for you and those who think like you, but most fans will support what they want. Playstation and PC fans are literally supporting Helldivers 2 and that is a gaas. Maybe you wouldn't, but many more would if they like it.

Huey_My_D_Long22d ago

@Redemption-64
Look, Im not making any judgement calls about this guy, but I will say that Helldivers 2 GaaS model is unique to Helldivers, and legit the only other game I can think of thats similiar was the Avengers game except HD2 pass is still better.
The fact that you can earn in game currency in a way that doesnt make you feel like you have to grind forever, as well you being able work on that pass that you bought...on your own time without a time limit...that right there is fucking huge to me, and I can't name any game other than avengers that avoided trapping players with FOMO logic...I think GaaS on HD2 shouldn't be compared to the rest of the industry...it should be copied.

Einhander197222d ago

Cacabunga

Helldivers 2...

Redemption-64

In Europe it's a 60 40 split favoring PC.
In the US its a 60 40 split favoring PS5.

So PlayStation owners supported the game just fine, it's not getting carried by PC or anything like that.

FinalFantasyFanatic22d ago

@just_looken,
I'm perfectly fine with the way Nintendo entered the mobile market, I never touched their mobile games, meanwhile, the console/handheld stayed the way it is. As for being a bean counter, he's probably going to reel in these massive budgets that Sony's studios have had lately, I haven't played Spiderman 2, but I cannot see how they almost tripled the budget for that game.

@Redemption-64,
That's an exception to the rule, I'm expecting a lot of these GAAS games from Sony to fail, to be fair, they only need a few to succeed, but I would have preferred that they put more of their resources into other types of games.

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DivineHand12522d ago

True their monetization is driving players away and at the same time, their decision to chop out content and convoluted systems is keeping new players away from the game.

Joe91322d ago

I don't think that will happen based on how things worked out at Naughty Dog now that we know what we do, seems they had the option to fully commit to live service games or stay making single player experences so they gave up on their live service game. We are not sure how things came about with Bend making a live service game but I hope that was not a forced situation. Sony doesnt seem like they are forcing studios to switch up but we will see, Sony's bread and butter is single player games it is how they dominated the console market.

Obscure_Observer22d ago

Yeah, I though Sony learned something from all their failures in the LS segment under Bungie´s disastrous leadership and supervision which led to games been cancelled, studios closed and all the people laid off.

Looks like Bungie still plays a major role in Sony´s LS initiative and Sony is not backtracking on their GaaS plans.

S2Killinit22d ago (Edited 22d ago )

Are we forgetting that Destiny is also a highly successful franchise? I feel like that definitely deserves mention here.

Besides, there is no reason why a person cant learn from past experiences.

Joe91321d ago

I agree, people act as if Destiny flopped when it came out lol it took 9 to 10 years for the numbers to fall yet people are still playing it add the success of Helldivers 2 no wonder Sony is going forward down this path.

S2Killinit21d ago

Personally, I see no problem with Sony also having service games as long as they make good ones, and more importantly they deliver the AAA story driven games that they are known for. So yeah, I agree 100% with you.

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Christopher22d ago

I mean, this person made some pretty bad decisions at Bungie. I hope they've learned from them because I definitely don't see those type of ideas as good for PlaySation in general.

CrimsonWing6921d ago (Edited 21d ago )

Honestly, what’s to learn from? How to make people happily continuously dump money into a single game over its life-time? Buy season passes continuously for several years with a smile on our faces?

GaaS is a design decision that is everything wrong with this industry. The fact that Helldivers 2 did so well and people defend the monetization because it was $40 and is a fun game, scares the sh*t out of me to see that the door is open and all shift will probably be to replicate that in future games. We already know the ROI for traditional game dev cost isn’t doing it for them.

I thought with Jimbo leaving we’d see a change for the better… I’m not so sure now.

S2Killinit21d ago

Service games are being offered by everyone. Sony cannot afford to only create single player AAA games. No one can. They already said they will be doing both.

Abnor_Mal22d ago (Edited 22d ago )

Ps5 gamers in 2023 seemed to play more live service types of games, so regardless to how people feel about them, numbers don’t lie and Sony is going where the money is. I mean look at the excitement around Helldivers2, people are showing that they want live service games.

Christopher22d ago

They play long-time existing live service games like CoD, Fortnite, Apex Legends, Destiny 2, and the like. Mass majority of new live service games are considered failures and aren't moving gamers away from older games.

just_looken22d ago

Yep the huge issue with live service is they need paid players along with a reason to play them.

You forgot mobile market that also taps into that player base as well as the eve online style games there is only a certain amount of krakens/whales blind supporters compared to the amount of live service games we have its not sustainable math wise.

700 restaurants making food for every seat for 1000-3000 eaters just does not work out

Einhander197222d ago (Edited 22d ago )

Christopher

I am not a big live service fan and literally own zero of the games you listed, but that is not true, unless you call games that aren't the top games to be failures.

There are tons of live service games that are profitable.

Games don't have to be the biggest game ever they just need to make more than they cost.

I challenge you to show professionally prepared data that shows that more live service games fail than make enough to keep going.

Because all the data that I have seen shows that live service is less of a gamble than making a big AAA budget game which needs to survive off retail sales.

FinalFantasyFanatic22d ago

I sometimes wonder if we're at saturation point, where it's hard for a new game to join those ranks unless it's particularly exceptional, people only have so much time and money to devote to these types of games.

romulus2322d ago

Correction, they have no issue playing good live service games

shinoff218322d ago

Lol it's not even a quarter of the ps5s sold. Helldivers may have been a hit but let's not say most are enjoying it because truth is most(the real most ) don't care about it.

S2Killinit21d ago (Edited 21d ago )

I play what is fun. If a live service game is good I’ll play it as long as its not a money scheme which Helldivers is not.

And Im a single player gamer.

mastershredder22d ago

How do you kill a franchise that already been killed?
Destiny’s grind, cash-in-on-playbass-cha-Ching, and pop-culture-insertion mainstream-me-too bs totally killed any rep Bungie had. Sony/Bungie, if you are doing this to ward-off players, it’s already working.

crazyCoconuts22d ago

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