BF3 - Spawn Immunity Removed, No Customizable Red Dots, and Lasers Increase Accuracy

MP1st writes, "Only a week and a few days away until Battlefield 3 finally arrives! We know everyone is missing the Beta and doesn’t quite know what to do with their lives at the moment, but we’ll make it through. For now, new information is surfacing about the retail version and we will be gathering as much of it as we can."

[Nitrowolf2]

“It’s removed as soon as the player gains control of his player and moves shoots or aims.”

Interesting. At first when I read the headlines I wasn't so happy. Even with this i'm a bit worried. How long can we stay like this? IDK i like timed spawn shields, it helps against spawn campers

[Mister_V]

I didn't find it much of a problem in the Beta. If I was spawn trapping and the dude killed me because of immunity, I'd be like yeah, I deserved it. But, It did suck to be shooting a guy only to have his teammate spawn on him the moment before killing him. Nothing you can do at that point, unless it takes forever for the second guy to spot you.

[PRHB HYBRiiD]

i hated that cause i like to rush and plant and sometimes i encounter a group of at least 2 or 3 people when i kill two of them right out of nowhere comes this guy who just spawned and i shoot him like 20 rounds right in his back and he turns around and kills me..

[Kleptic]

forward spawning is always a pretty touchy subject...

I've always stood by the argument that if you spawn in a forward position, you should have zero invulnerability...OR should have invulnerability breifly, but not be able to engage enemies...there are plenty of ways to do that, but devs usually mess this up anyway...

but in something like rush in BF3...forward spawning attackers or defenders have to be able to be taken down quickly, as that is the entire balance of that game mode...attack an mcom, then defend it until its gone...if a single attacker gets to it, then has 3 squad mates immediately spawn on it...that are invulnerable, yet can return fire all they want...obviously thats a problem...

so i'd say stick with zero invulnerability from a forward spawn point, but make it clear enough to have a good idea of whats going on at that spawn point...you can kind of see your squad mate, and whats going on around him...but plenty of times i was instantly dropped when spawning on them...and i deserved it...

spawning at your own base?...totally different...give people 10 seconds of invulnerability for all i care...the fact that people snuck into the spawn points of defenders or attackers in the beta was ridiculous...nothing is more annoying than spawning somewhere that you are supposed to be 'safe' no matter what...and instantly falling over from glitchy hit detection from an SVD...this has been bitched about for over a decade, yet no devs have really figured out a good way to counter it...

[TheRealWar]

You cant win either way....

"OMG! i just spawned [email protected]$#!"

"WTF!? how many bullets does it take to kill you [email protected]#!!!"

[Laxman216]

It should have only been for when you spawn at the base, not on team mates I reckon, cause like you said, its not fair when someone spawns into a firefight and can kill you before they can take damage.

[BISHOP-BRASIL]

I totally agree with Kleptic. Spawn invulnerability is a good idea but gotta be in the right place or people will exploit it to tank objectives.

I know I had spawned 2 or 3 times between multiple enemies and, although they should had busted me, I easily got rid of them... I didn't even knew there was a timed invulnerability before, than I was attacking on the smaller tunnel (air duct?) going into the train tunnels, one guy was camping at the ending, I sniped him and as I rushed to the last vent one more spawns right there... I just realised why it was so easy for me before as I was fighting a bullet sponge myself.

In case they can't make this timed invulnerability only on base respawn, they should try a double health for 10 seconds or something like that, not make us immortal.

[zeeshan]

I always wondered what it would be like to have spawn grounds. Even if you are spawning on your Squad Leader, you should not spawn right behind him but say, 10-15 feet away should be a good idea. So the newly spawned player doesn't get spawned right in the red zone and has to cover some distance to get to the squad leader and also prevents campers to take advantage of possible spawn areas.

Also, getting back to the original deployment area. The spawn should be random. It should never happen in one place. Should move around a bit like Killzone 3. Adding an extra layer of gameplay that hopefully, won't be frustrating.

Lastly, I KNOW this is a bit offtopic but, I hope DICE dims or eliminates flashlights and laser light of friendlies. It's only terrible getting blinded by those enemy flash lights even in broad day light. Add your own players to this and well, it takes away a lot of fun.

[Blogz4Fanboyz]

well thanks for the colour blind HUD dice!!

as soon as the red dot goes over a patch of foliage or green, i cant see it any more!! lol a yellow dot would be perfect for me.

in bf modern combat they had a colour blind HUD ffs

[Darrius Cole]

Spawning is different depending on where you spawn.

As I learned in Killzone 2 all characters should be invulnerable when they are in their own base. In KZ2 we had people running into enemy bases and laying down mobile spawn points in enemy bases; it made for very ugly gameplay.

Speaking of spawn points, all the mobile spawn points should have a heavy motion mine ability. That way if some decides that they are going to spawn-camp your mobile spawn point that person will be spotted and easily found by other teammates. Those people spawning at a mobile spawn-points should have some limited invulnerability, just enough to survey their area and take cover, maybe 2 or 3 seconds.

People who spawn on team mates should be fair game as soon as they spawn.

[Criminal]

It's not as lengthy as painkiller, so it wasn't a problem for me. I just hate it when recon players set the beacons in the middle of gunfire.

[Dart89]

Lol i would be one of those i go behind the enemy spawn plant my beacon run out kill and if i die i just do it again:P.

[Criminal]

@Dart89 hehe I hate when people do that, but then again it's my fault for not checking the map before I spawn.

[beastgamer]

the flash light!
shoot the light!
don't got towards the light!

[Criminal]

I feel everyone is complaining about the flashlight, but like you said all you have to do is shoot at the light source.

[InNomeDiDio]

The light source increases by getting closer to the enemy so it it's not that easy. I died a few times at close quarter because of the light. It's like a flashbang effect.

[Dark_king]

@InNomeDiDio most people leave their light on all the time makes them pretty easy to spot.I use my light to distract enemies.In metro when in the tunnels it great to use to get enemies to shoot at you instead of team members.Givin them a chance to pick them off.
It also works great when enemies run through a door like objective A in the tunnels.With a charge planted and a squad in the room to help defend the charge.I keep it off then blast them with it as the enter the doors.Gives you about a second to take them out before they can see again.

[swishersweets20031]

yeah shoot the light lol. I love people who use that light.. i can kill them from afar because they never turn it off.

[Kleptic]

oh man I loved the tac light...As soon as i figured out which button turned it on and off...it was ridiculous...i'd only use it to sweep a room or something, then turn it off...

but yeah, lots of people never figured out how to use it...team mates blinding me without even thinking about it...people running out in the open without turning it off was always a dead give away also...but if you come around a corner with it on and they weren't ready for it...wiped squads without reloading...

get me outside again?...i'd go 3 kills and 15 deaths having never seen who killed me...weird beta for sure...i could do great indoors, and sucked impossible amounts outdoors...

[OdinX]

I don't know if you guys know how bright a tactical light is irl, but DICE pretty much nailed it. My only qualm about its intensity is during outdoor levels where the light is unrealistically effective. However, indoor areas of metro is exactly the place where a tac light would be a monster weapon; the fact that people say its OP is actually a good sign that it's working as it really is intended to.

[ljh217]

@Odin: This is a competitive game, not a combat simulator. Balance is much more crucial than something simulating a real-life situation.

Saying that, I think the flashlight has the right pro's and con's, and I didn't have much difficulty killing people who were using it. Shotguns were especially effective as not much accuracy was needed.

[ATi_Elite]

"Spwan Sheild" nice feature as it helps eliminate the filth that are "Spawn Killers"

just dont touch the controls upon spawn and wait for the Spawn camping scum to reload or make a bad move then Knife em!

Flashlight and lasers give away position. i stayed away from them and worked on the element of surprise but some people were good with them....i guess it just depends on how you like to play.

[SH0CKW4VE]

GOOD because it was incredibly bent when a guy spawned on his teammate and he was invincible for 2 seconds which made all the difference.

But I also hope they fix the fact you osmetimes spawn on a teammate facing away from the action, usually facing away from them.

[Mister_V]

I'd sometime spawn in my own base facing the opposite way! Then start running away from the objective (back when I didn't really know the Op Metro all that well).

[venom06]

MAN... DICE BETTER PREPARE FOR THE SPAWN RAPE RAGE... because it's definitely coming.. remember this terms all of my fellow Battlefield fans, "Insta-death" because we're gonna be experiencing this QUITE a bit...

[MasterD919]

As long as the kill-cams are fixed and I'm not staring into the toy-like eyes of my enemy....

[Criminal]

I think they said that it's been fixed, but I can't remember the source.

[SITH]

I agree with the spawn immunity being removed when spawning on other characters. It should still remain for spawning in designated spawn zones to counter spawn killing.

[Mister_V]

I agree since spawning in base is out of our control. It's our fault in terms of whatever happens to us when we spawn on a squad-mate.

[0neShot]

This game is really coming late and unpolished. At this stage DICE is still tweaking a lot of components of the game that would only mean one hell of a chaos come release time.

[SITH]

Care to clarify what in the world makes you think that this game is unpolished. The beta you probably played, was in operation 30+ days before we ever saw it. The issues in it (which is the point of a beta) have been fixed for the retail final product. So what stage did you think Dice was out? I just feel your entire comment is the result of lacking any information.

[0neShot]

"The issues in it (which is the point of a beta) have been fixed for the retail final product". I take it that the final retail product is out and you have played it...in your dreams. The tweaks that need fixing are those from the feedback of the beta and with only like 2 weeks left, these fixes need to be retested and recertified and doesn't affect/change any other components of the game. If DICE is doing this months before Oct 25, yeah I would agree with your optimism.

[SITH]

Of course I have not played it. But I have beta history with dice, and they consistently rectified the issues in past beta and retail games I have played. Plus they said they have fixed many of the issues in the beta for retail already. And name one game you have played that arrived polished (void of any issues)?

http://www.insidegamingdail... Pay particular attention to number 3.

Not my fault you have no faith in Dice. Given your comment history on your N4g account... I am not surprised you don't.

[OdinX]

Not to flame, but if you looked a bit into this info you would find a couple of sources that have actually played more recent builds of the game and say that the issues that were prevalent in the BETA are nowhere to be seen. That's not to say the game at launch will be flawless, but I have no doubt it will be leagues beyond what we experienced during the BETA.

[iXenon]

I'm happy to see DICE on top of everything

[earbus]

Great to base raping and spawn camping back its part of battlefield joy.

[thespaz]

Spawn immunity removed?!?!

Do they think they're making a Call of Duty game or something?

[OdinX]

Read past the title; basically they're toning it down. As soon as you make a move your immunity is gone.

[Killzoned]

Finally! I was wondering to myself why ain't these guys dying despite me shooting them up. I killed the person they spawned on obviously but the person that just spawned ate like at least 10 bullets and was still alive due to the immunity

[Legion]

I didn't really notice the issue. I would have people spawning on a radio and just keep plugging away at them. They did the same to me. As soon as I spawned I would be nailed from a shot. So not seeing where there was an invulnerability myself?

[NeloAnjelo]

I like this.

[Soldierone]

Lol shows how bad my connection was at night. I was spawning and getting owned almost immediately and it didn't seem to have it anyways, so I won't notice a difference.

I just hope I am able to play this game at night without lagging like that.

[Mossrat]

I don't think those spawning 'in the field' as it were should have this invulnerability. The problem is, and I admit, I do it myself, camping in spawns. For example, I, and many others, in the Beta would lose the first area in the park before entering the Metro and will sit with a rifle above the entrance to the underground picking off people who instantly spawn in their 'safe' spawn area. That is annoying especially when it happens to me yet I do it too as an exploitation of the game. Spawning on squad mates shouldn't have this invulnerability, you can see pre-spawn the environment your squad mate is in. If they are in a firefight expect to be insta-rinsed. If they're clear then spawn in by all means. The invulnerability should only be in effect at the home spawn point, in my opinion anyways :)