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Submitted by Simonkey75 1312d ago | news

“No-one talks about Swedish game design for Battlefield 3″ so why do it with Japan? - Team Ninja dev

“There is pressure from Western media to fetishise and compartmentalise Japanese games as just “Japanese” and therefore different from everything else,” says Team Ninja’s Peter Garza – and the Ninja Gaiden 3 man feels that the press wouldn’t treat games from any other country the same way. (Ninja Gaiden 3, Peter Garza, PS3, Team Ninja, Wii U, Xbox 360)

omi25p  +   1312d ago
Japanese games are different to other games, They are bright colourful games with men that dress metrosexual, strange cute animals and the gameplay is usually quite child friendly.

I.E Mario,Zelda. Most "western" games are dark, gory and about war and fighting
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pangitkqb  +   1312d ago
Never thought of it in the way Peter Garza put it, but ya, I think he has an interesting point.

If a game is awesome, who cares what country it came from? Does something really need to be defined and separated that way? Perhaps there is value in discerning typical styles simply for consumer awareness - because there are notable common differences between Western and Japanese games - but I'm not sure.
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SolidSystem  +   1312d ago
I think it does matter where it comes from to a degree. some people might not like Japanese food, but love french food. we all have tastes, and while every dish in France might not appeal to someones tastes, its a style people can identify with.

Japense games tend to have a certain characteristic to them, which isnt bad or good, its up to the individual persons tastes.
gamingdroid  +   1312d ago
Well, I think that game developed in Japan is significantly different than games developed in Russia, Poland and Sweden.

In fact, the latter three European (or most European) countries could be confused with an American developed game. There is no mistaking that, but games from Japan definitely has it's own flair even when they try to be Westernized so it is no wonder it gets that kind of focus.
Heartnet  +   1312d ago
Doesnt matter where a game is made lol at all.. if Ninja Theory were to move to japan would they then be making japanese games? hell no...

different countries make a variety of different games lol.... Matters on the developer no the country.. a game could be made in russia and be the exact same game as one made in japan... saying its different is a purly in the mind
malol  +   1312d ago
Well that's because Japaneses games are just so Japaneses

lol
MrDead  +   1312d ago
Japanese games have a good mix of gaming for young and old. Resident Evil and other survival horror series, Yakuza, Demon's Souls, Metal Gear Solid, Gran Turismo and Endless fighting games.
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TheGameFoxJTV  +   1312d ago
Even the Wii has No More Heroes 1 and 2...
Peaceful_Jelly  +   1312d ago
Those are the kind of japanese games that I like, where everybody and everything fits the world perfectly. Yakuza has some fan-service and quirky stuff but it's all cool and the same with Bayonetta.

Now that I think about it, I think that what I'm talking about below are just japanese "rpg" cliches. XD
Peaceful_Jelly  +   1312d ago
yeah man when you play a japanese game you can spot it right away because of its quirkiness unlike Battlefield 3 (Swedish), FEAR (Russian) or Witcher (Poland).

I do really hate how ridiculous is the game design of japanese games sometimes like for example: FFXIII-2. Noel is a metrosexual indian-dressed ninja and Serah is a Victoria Secret model in a one piece dress with some weird animal that transform into a bow. That's just not believable enough for me to not think about it and just enjoy the game. They are so out of place within their own world it's crazy. Right now I'm playing "Odin Sphere" and while the game is very quirky and niche the character design and everything else fits the world perfectly. The same with all the FF games prior FFX. There are a couple of exceptions like Tifa's ridiculous outfit but nothing serious like the mini-skirt of Lighting even thought she's a "soldier" or Snow calling himself a "hero" like a kid in a Disney movie.
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Heartnet  +   1312d ago
i wouldnt say Demons souls or dark souls was particulary quirky and could of been easily made by a western developer...

picking out soloey RPGS such as final fantasy and then basing that game on the entire country is just narrow mindedness
Optical_Matrix  +   1312d ago
You left out Silent Hill, Resident Evil, Ico, Shadow of The Colossus, Forbidden Siren, Mad World.....plenty of gory, dark games in Japanese culture. I'd argue that character/setting and artistically, Japanese are far more creative. Where as western devs are better on the technical sides of things. That's just my opinion. But to label all Japanese games in a certain light based on 2 NINTENDO franchises is ridiculous.
SolidSystem  +   1312d ago
1. I cant tell a Swedish game from other nations games.
2. there probably arnt enough swedish games for people to see a trend in game design.

everyone points to Japanese vs Western design for instance. so could one argue that people are not targeting just japan? there's that other group the "western" group.
Hufandpuf  +   1312d ago
Very rarely do we see games from Sweden. Right now only BF and mine craft comes to mind in the average gamer. It's much easier to examine Japanese game design because there are so many of them.
Sizzon  +   1312d ago
Bionic Commando
Just Cause
Just Cause 2
Terminator Salvation: The video game
Minecraft
The Battlefield series
This new Syndicate FPS game
Magicka

all are Swedish made :) I'm from sweden btw :p little proud of DICE.
SolidSystem  +   1312d ago
I didnt realize all of those were all Swedish. which furthers the point, we don't have enough and they don't seem to follow any sort of trend/similar flavor.... other than being fun.
theonlylolking  +   1312d ago
Out of all of those released or to be released this year only battlefield and just cause series are good.
evrfighter  +   1312d ago
You have every right to be proud of DICE. Those guys are outdoing legions of developers working on cod.
Ocelot525  +   1312d ago
add the darkness to that list
humbleopinion  +   1312d ago
Add to that list:
World in Conflict and Ground Control series (Massive)
Riddick, The Darkness (Starbreeze)
GTR and Race series (SimBin)
Penumbra, Amnesia (Frictional Games)
Hearts of Iron, King Arthur, Mount & Blade etc (Paradox)
Ilomilo, R-Type and Lode Runner XBLA remakes (SouthEnd)
Mirror's Edge (Dice)

Atcually, The entire Nordic game deveopment scene is pretty active (Norway, Sweden and Finland) and has some of the most capable developers. But since the culture is not that different from the rest of the western world it's hard to find distinguishing points and most people will not be able to tell that a game was actually developed in a Nordic country and not in another western country.
But for japan it's entirely different: You will alsmot always be able to tell that a game is either Japanes or a Japanese tribute. Even when they try to develop "westernized" games, the games tend to scream "Japanese".
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VampiricDragon  +   1312d ago
Because

1) It helps people falsely generalize

2) It allows people to fight

3) It allows people to hate

aka just a normal day on the internet
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Eromu  +   1312d ago
It's not a derogatory label or anything it's just that traditionally Japanese games have unique characteristics compared to their western counterparts.
Jappy-k7  +   1312d ago
I always prefer Japanese games they are all different and unique.
Japan is simply...the best at EVERYTHING!
whydoyouask  +   1312d ago
All japanese games are different and unique?

So what about all of the generic JRPG's filled with played out character archetypes and a drawn out, convoluted story.

But yeah, they are ALL unique, sure.
hano  +   1312d ago
Japanese game design is great, it makes for diversity.

For instance, the fighting genre would be nowhere without the Japanese, the West just can't make fighting games.

Also, some games are unique from Japan like that game Hotel Dusk, I can't see a game made like that by the west. Neither would there be a game like ICO and Shadow of the Colossus.
whydoyouask  +   1312d ago
Im guessing you haven't played, Limbo, Braid, Amnesia: The Dark Descent, Minecraft.

but go ahead and keep living under that rock...
Hufandpuf  +   1312d ago
Mk9? One of the best fighting games I've played this gen, second only to SF.
Baka-akaB  +   1312d ago
For starters swedish (or norvegian) devs dont usually even use their own folklore in games . Quite unlike japanese devs .

One look at something like Asurea's wrath and you know where its from .
Sprud  +   1312d ago
Some norse (Norwegian/Swedish) influence in japanese games is not that uncommon. Of the most known games are Varkyrie Profile, Odin Sphere, Xenogears and Tales of Symphonia.
radphil  +   1312d ago
Don't forget the Shin Megami Tensei series.
jb1276  +   1312d ago
I think Japan has always set itself apart from the rest of the world in gaming simply because they are the birthplace of the Nintendo and PlayStation - so I feel this separation is well warranted - only in recent years do I feel like the "japan" game stigma might have developed a negative connotation from the view "by some" that Japanese games may have become stagnant (and lets face it - you usually can tell if its a Japanese game) - luckily we have more choices then ever in games and diversity breeds new ideas - yay for gaming...
i3eyond the Circle  +   1312d ago
Japan has been lacking....best games out of Japan this gen..is this simply.

Demons Souls
Dark Souls
Lost Odyssey
Metal Gear Solid 4

Everything else is just pure last gen style crap that mind boggles me...I was one to believe that Japanese devs were better back in the day.

But nowadays when it comes to the effort and cinematic quality given to us by devs like Naughty Dog, Epic, Guerilla, Bethesda etc....they fall short either because of laziness or lack of skill.
i3eyond the Circle  +   1312d ago
European Developers have put in the MOST work this generation.
OcularVision  +   1312d ago
Sweden is basically a Western country.
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