Sony has sold more than eight million units of the PlayStation Move motion controller, revealing that while it continues to trail Microsoft’s Kinect, it may be beginning to catch up.
Still missing the point. It is not about who sells the most controllers. It is about these companies explanding their base. Selling consoles to new customers. Selling controller has never been a big deal. If M$ or sony sell 40 mil controllers by year end and it is not bringing new customer to the base, they would have failed.
I got to disagree, if they sold 40 mil controllers without new customers that is far from failure - in fact it opens up the opportunity for sony/microsoft to sell games to a 'move/kinect only' crowd. If on the other hand they sold a total of a few thousand - even if they were new customers, then that would be a failure. Because there would be nearly no room for expansion. And they are not going to develop games that will only sell a few thousand total...
'Bigpappy' sure changes his views rather quickly. ___ Anyway, I'm behind with whoever delivers motion gaming with REAL games. Then again, I still really prefer a normal controller, like most gamers.
The idea for any peripheral or console is not to just extend the customer base, it is to provide a viable means of both entertainment value and business success. There is plenty of hardware to convey a technical feature or achievement but there are very few outstanding games to convey the importance of either Kinect or Move. The one thing Move does have over Kinect isn't the ability to grow a consumer base on hardware alone but rather its great versatility in application. It allows the developers a great choice in applying an alternative working method of control to better complement their foundation on a solid game design. As an example, Killzone 3 and Heavy Rain, both work well in a standard control scheme and in a more dynamic motion scheme. But because of the choice in control it allows not only the consumer a choice in the existing experience, which can enhance the immersion of the experience, but also provide a great opportunity for developers to branch out to attract a greater following through that option. People might not have played Heavy rain with the dualshock due to its less intuitive implementation in the game but because of a more straight forward and approachable alternative was there it expanded its possibility to reach more people. In Killzone 3 it really was not a system (move) seller under the definition but it did provide a very functional and convenient alternative to play and enhance the experience. It allowed a more immersible and practical experience without cheapening or deterring the original dynamics of the game. It is only an added benefit it works very well and accurate in Killzone 3 thus giving the game itself another feature to sell on but also emphasizes the practical purpose of the move controller itself.
And we wont really know the impact of these controllers until they have some serious software for them. MS doesn't have anything for Kinect and Sony keeps putting Move support in game people seem to rather play with a DuelShock. @below: In fact, I haven't. I didn't know those sales number were public knowledge... But do you really think that Socom is selling better because of Move? Bigpappy's point is that if it doesn't expand the user base than it hasn't had the desired effect. We have yet to see how Move will capture that wider audience that wouldn't have bought said game without motion controls. Now for you defensive fanboys out there, I'm not saying Move or Kinect aren't help their systems. All I'm saying is that we don't have a very good picture of how their effecting their consoles user base yet. So no need to get all snotty and defensing.
Guess you didn't see how well Playstation Move Bundle with Socom 4 is doing then.
"Sony keeps putting Move support in game people seem to rather play with a DuelShock." who are these people you refer too?! cause frankly, I enjoy/ prefer playing RE5, DS: extractions and KZ3 with the move controller way more than I do with the dualshock...
because you are making baseless assumptions like "Sony keeps putting Move support in game people seem to rather play with a DualShock." You neither I have a crystal ball and can see the future so it's better to look at this neutrally instead of making inflammatory statements such as that.
@army_of_darkness I believe rememberthe357 is just using generalization without any concrete evidences to back up his claim. Until he have concrete evidences (majority data of sells, surveys or something of sort) to show otherwise. Your argument however is similar to rememberthe357 because you aren't representing the majority of ps3 owners out there either unless u have some concrete evidences (like above) to show otherwise. But nonetheless, here are some questions that i think could potentially help to make at least a decent guesstimate of how well kinect or move would do in the future. 1. Do you think a majority of casual gamers can distinguish the differences between wii mote and the move on ps3? 2. Now if they can't distinguish the differences between that, will they just dump the wii and go out to buy a more expansive console to get practically the same experience (according to them)? 3. Now even if they can distinguish the differences, would they go out to buy a more expansive console to play many games that aren't casual or cater to them (KZ, Socom, etc...)? 3. Now which one (kinect or move) do you think differentiate itself more from the wii controller to the casual gamers? 4. Which one (kinect or move) do you think cater more to casual gamers, based on the type of softwares available currently and the trend that MS or Sony seem to be moving toward in the future with motion gaming? 5. Are there more casual gamer or more hard core gamers currently and in the future? Now they are just guesstimate based on the current trend. Because I don't know exactly what Sony/MS/Nintendo plan in the future so the outcomes may differ. But currently, move catching up to kinect may not sound plausible. I think it also help explain to Jack Trenton when he said he doesn't understand why kinect selling so much at that price compare to the move. I would like to ask Jack on what sony's is really aiming for when they release the move.
There is a large contingent of gamers out there enjoying Move with SOCOM and Killzone. It may not be on Oprah, but it is the conversations among those who matter...gamers.
Not true, Its not about any # at all.. Its about games and having something new and fun to use while you game. And Sony did a pretty good job with that. I do not love my move but its pretty well done. I have had fun with some of the games. My knicet on the other hand, well lets just say i have used it for maybe 2 hours at the most. Its pretty bad and boring. Plus its not about selling consoles or new customers. To Sony and M$ its about money. And let me tell ya, the devices cost way less to make than they sell, by a huge amount. Both Sony and M$ are laughing to the bank. Hell if you sell 8 million of anything your making good money. Good job Sony, I love your console more than anything besides my guitar. I will say this i am a fan boy and i am proud to be one. Sony is the best company ever. And i am glad that there are getting some love with the PlayStation.
"Kinect is pretty bad and boring." Well, if you've only spent two hours playing Kinect Adventures in the store, then you would think that. Kinect Sports is excellent (and not boring). Dance Central is excellent (and not boring). "Sony is the best company ever" is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. They may be a good company (I love my PS3 and Move) - but the fact that you want to have babies with them is clouding your judgement and making you sound like a fool.
I'm pretty sure he said "MY KINECT"; as in, he owns a Kinect and doesn't use it much!
What? And who said that Sony isn't expanding their user base? They just broke 50million units sold worldwide! That's a remarkable achievement for being the most expensive console to date. Btw, selling peripherals had never been a purpose of increasing user base. Peripherals are to open new options to the gamers, and to bring profit thats all. Don't tell me, you actually think every Kinect is brought fresh out of a new Xbox?
PS3 wasn't the most expense console ever. Neo Geo.
True that Neo Geo is indeed the most expensive console ever by extra $50, but that console is one crappy shit! I game with my SNES follow by a PSone in the 90s. Before that I was still gaming on my Saturn. Neo Geo was like a one huge farce! It is like selling the PS3 on Ebay for $2000.
Still not bad though 8 million it means devs will continue to support it in the future. I noticed a lot lately since I bought my new 360 (loving it by the way) there are a LOT of Kinects pre-owned in my local stores and they keep reducing the price as they are having trouble shifting them CEX are now selling for £70 and only giving you £30 for something that was £30 on launch! That comes with there own 1 year warranty too.
Yup - because there are no new games. After E3 this year, Kinect will be hot again.
aren't you the one who said move was failing to sell lol, it nearly toppled ten years of eyetoy sales all within a couple of months and is only 2m behind kinect, not bad for a peripheral without a 500m maketing budget:-D
Well then you should tell that to MS because although Kinect sold 10 million, software sales have barely increased above what they were. Meaning in effect, Kinect is either not expanding the install base, or it is, but as with the Wii..people aren't buying games lol
and without the 500 million dollars marketing too.
"Sony is also lying their ass off. They have not sold 50 million PS3s to consumers, nor have they come close to selling 8 million Move controllers to consumers. Sony is using the old shipped to retailer numbers as sold. Microsoft meanwhile is using sold to consumers when it comes to Kinect." See, there are dumbass fanboys everywhere.
Yep its that way everywhere people will never change they actually believe MS can track sold numbers to consumers because one guy once on a forum said they can.
its quite impossible to track how many of a product have been sold to customers, shipped numbers are the only relevant numbers as theyre the only one that anyone knows. what you can say though is that if retailers continue ordering them repeatedly and cant keep them in stock, than shipped will be close to sold. both the move and microsofts dance machine shipped and sold numbers are relatively close
I'm not debating whether they do it or not, but it is definitely not impossible! Many companies track directly to the consumers, you need only ask a question every time they place an order and they have to call you to order. Or have a profile of how much each retailer keeps in stock and do the math every time they order, it's called a customer profile!
lol butthurt much the real sales wont be far behind those figures as you can only ship what retailers want and at the end of the day they aint gonna let lots of ps3's or moves be gathering dust, just accept the fact that they both in demand and stop being a fanboy, ps ms always uses shipeed figures as well, there is no real way to track how many has been sold to the customer outside of the us (npd will track all us related sales)
hold on a minute.... yet every sony fanboy likes to shout "stuffing the channel" when talking about microsoft... seriously n4g and its fanboys are beyond belief
they said its not a race but a marathon and this shows while MS had a huge success with natal but spending 500million on advertisement and renting space in time square to show it off was a big part of it now i am not saying move has had no advertisement that would be a lie but not even half of what MS spend i think both sony and MS are happy with the success and that was the first year now with better software by hopefully both companies more core game might be able to get on it Bigpappy i see your point but if they sell 40million each and sell 100million consoles which both are on pace to do they would be happy how soon before sony also launch move with ps3 for same price and give the controller for free? both companies will drop the price for motion controller and its system in 2011
not only did they spend 500 million on advertising but they had to buy the product also... they didnt make it, someone else made it and had been trying to sell it to sony (who said they didnt want it) and microsoft stepped in and now have to pay for the tech
baught the company for 20-30 million
@jetlian microsoft didnt acquire primesense, the company that made the tech behind kinect. - primesense is a privately owned company, microsoft doesnt own any part of it. microsofts acquired canesta (i believe this is what youre getting mixed up), which provided gesture control tech for sonys eyetoy on the ps2. it hints that microsoft is using the same gesture control schema that sony used in ps2's eyetoy in x360s kinect (actually it more than hints it, it pretty much confirms that they have the same gesture control limitation). primesense isnt in any exclusive deal with microsoft, at the moment theyre already licensing kinect technology to acer, who hopes to be selling their own kinect (which will obviously be named differently) in competition with microsoft.
Actually, the first tech company that MS bought was 3DV - that company was probably the first to come up with the idea. It then made an agreement with Primesense in order to get access to their tech and later on moved to buying Canesta as well. Add to that tons of R&D spending from various departments in MS (speech recognition, image processing, etc). So the actual tech in the Kinect is actually the fruits of 3 DIFFERENT tech companies R&D and patents + Microsoft own internal developments. There's so much effort beyond bringing such a thing to the market, that no wonder Nintendo and Sony where both afraid to pick up the glove when approached by Primesense - the sensor itself is not of much use without all the effort and R&D spending to make it worthwhile. Good luck for anyone trying to compete with it now...
I think future iterations of the PSEye will incorporate some of this technology as it matures, but I feel it will be even more ubiquitous than that...PC's, baby monitors, digital walls and projectors, TVs, etc.
ya difference is xbox comes bundled with kinect and PS3 does not. 8 million or not it's a big boost for everyone's business and adds variety to those who want it. I like variety, the wii is not variety, if I could play certain wii games with no motion I'd be happy.
@ps360PCROCKS then u must have disagree with Neko_Mega "Guess you didn't see how well Playstation Move Bundle with Socom 4 is doing then" i hope u weren't one of the guy who agree with him cause that would make you a hypocrite, but i doubt you are one right ps360pcrocks? Although how is that bundle doing, i'm actually interested.
I bought the 320GB Sports Champion bundle from Walmart for $350.00. Sony will probably have several bundles to appeal to differing tastes. Where do people get the misconception that bundles are bad? I was buying another PS3 and was going to get the Sports Champion Move bundle anyway. I got lucky enough to find the 320GB/SC bundle and it saved me $100.00!
what the hell are you talking about baodeus? i never said bundles were bad either. The xbox is SOLD with no choice but to own a Kinect, pS3 isn't.
You can get both the 4GB and 250GB without Kinect bundled, with the 250GB costing as much as the 4GB with Kinect, $299. Maybe the Kinect bundles aren't selling at your local Bestest Buys.
I worked at best buy til last week and we don't sell xbox 360's without Kinect. I know this because I had to tell people you're stuck with it whether you want it or not. Go to their website it says "store pickup not available" we sometimes had the 4GB without it but it seems like Best buy doesn't want to do that because it lowers your purchase amount. It's all about the green!
Until there are Kinect/Move games out that are honestly worth playing, why are we attacking/defending them? Right now it just means people are buying both, only to let them if not the systems they're on collect dust.
I'll admit I haven't played Move much at all since it came out and I don't like playing shooters with it. Probably selling it next week to help pay for the games coming out Tuesday. If it really picks up and becomes really interesting to me later on, then I'll gladly rebuy it, but right now I just don't need it personally. That's just my opinion folks, don't hate.
But thats not good for Sony's reputation Mr Tretton, love it like your job depends on it. Don't make me get Mr. Butler over here to 'persuade you to' In good nature of course :)
Kev works for ME bro.
Don't talk for "people", you probably don't buy game for move, or even don't habe move, but others do, and play old one too..so stop being in the "people" mind, you don't know what they are doing.
No, I don't have Move, but I've heard too many "people" say they hardly use it. See reviews for Move titles under six. Games for MC for all systems by all obvious accounts are under delivering and if "people" like yourself can't even admit that things aren't going to get any better.
Sony manage to sell 8 million move controllers, That's good though, remember last march when M$ said that they manage to sell 10 million kinect?, that's not bad also! So I Can't helped but to think, Why is that, that Xbot feels so angry about this NEWS? Butthurt? What is their problem about this? Oh Yeah I get it now, They are anxious and threatened that this year PS3 along with Move might outsell Xbox 360 and kinect?. Well if that happens, they should accept it. I find it hilarious when these 360 fanboys keep on telling other people that these Status of PS3 sale are all lie. WTF
I run a Kinect fansite. I don't care about Move's sales. Why? Because I play GAMES, not systems. I own Kinect. I own a Move controller, the KZ Gun, and a navigation controller. I have fun with both. I enjoy playing a bit of Tumble, Hustle Kings or Killzone 3, before switching and firing up Dance Central or Kinect Sports. I find it hilarious that anyone even cares about the numbers. We know that both companies have sold enough to keep game publishers interested in publishing games for the systems, so what does it even matter to us? Are we going to stop buying games for Move if Kinect sells more? No. Are we going to stop buying games for Kinect if Move sells more? No. People really need to grow up and get a life.
I agree with you friend..
All i care about is more games coming out for Move does anyone know when Sorcery is coming out? i hope it gets shown at E3.
Question is: what is one 'Move-controller' unit in Sony's view?
I think Sony did a calculated risk move with PS Move. They knew what they was getting into and they also knew who were they targeting to. Move might not have billions spent in advertisings but isn't the games what this is all about? Implementing PS Move in harcore games such as Killzone 3 and now SOCOM and plenty others to come is very smart and it will award Sony in middle/long terms, the were never looking into short terms I think.
I still find issue with how Sony can track Move sales. Do they count every Wand as a sale? Every Navigation controller? Every PSEYE? Bundle? ect.... It's very difficult to actually track. I own a bundle that I won and it's an okay item, but as someone said earlier most of the "good" games it works with are games I would only ever use an actual controller for. The games like Move Hero's tend to be a huge disappointment.
I believe Sony can able to track the sales of the PS3, Move controller or even Console bundles with the help of the Distributors like Gamestop, Amazon etc. Those Distributors are submitting Annual or Quarterly reports to Sony or NPD??
They basically count everything that constitutes as a unit and can pump up their figures: be it the actual wand or navigation controller, no matter if it sold as a bundle or separately. So basically a customer who bought 2 wands and 2 navigation controllers counts as 4 sales. The funny thing is PSEYE doesn't count as it's not an actual controller (and was released before the move) while the numbers of PSEYE units sold would be a much more accurate reflection of the real user base.
Well my guess is the install base is half about what they shipped, maybe less. So if they are saying 8 million shipped or whatever, I'm guessing half those people bought more then one wand or bought the navigation controller. As I said, I won a Sports Champions bundle and I can safely say using the Duel Shock 3 in place of the Nav controller is clunky and not fun at all, a lot of the games require the Nav controller, so I would suspect half or less then 4 million is the install base for Move. Which is respectable, but they still need to come out with games that appeal to a more casual crowd, Move hero's should have been a nice app but was total trash.
Project ''Kinect'' is by default unstable, motion capture which tracks all(your) movement's can be very frustrating, it's very cheap technology, only game developers have to take care of this shit, for games to work with it. Playstation Move is like a Wii, but with better games/graphics. Also i don't like xbox controllers joystick/d-pad positions, its not symmetrical and the fact that you have to buy a new Xbox every year, pay for online and exclusives i don't like makes me not want to own it. I am happy with my PS3, of course many multi-platform games play on lower frame-rate, but it's beginning to change, developers port games better and they run on ps3 as good as on xbox.
lol why would any one listen to your bias fanboy drivel. Why dont you try focussing on things you like instead of things you dislike which is obviously Microsoft, Xbox and Kinect.
IMHO... aside from the thecnical demo, PS Move has received almost no serious support from any developer. Those eight million controllers will be doing nothing at this rate. Same as Kinect.
I don't care much for neither Move or Kinect but atleast the Move can be used for hardcore games cause of it's precision. What are you ever going to be able to do with Kinect besides dancing games? It seems like all you can do is wave your arms, jump up or down and move side to side with it. People can do all those things while playing basketball. MS definitely needs to add a controller with buttons to Kinect so it can do alot more.
we need more move games and more games that support move i hope it becomes standard like trophies have and not optional tho granted some games can't use move,but if a game can use it then why shouldn't it ? it defiantly brings a fresh feel to games especially shooters.
I wonder what the attachment rate is for move games. I remember reading that kinect only has about an attachment rate of 1 game per kinect sold. Judging by how many more move games there are then kinect I would be inclined to believe that move has a higher attach rate. But who knows?
Playstation move is more practical with some genres like fps,rts,puzzle,fighting & mmo games to name some genres then playing with a dual shock 3.Kinnect lacks a analog,force feed back & buttons which is why kinnect isn't practical for certain genres but feel free to disagree but im just being realistic.
To hell with sales all i care about is having core games that are easier to pick up & play & still retain their core value with certain genres & playstation move is accessory for the job.
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