MS answers Sony 40 GB PS3 New Xbox 360 Bundles

So there is to be allegedly the following offers:those already well-known Xbox 360 Arcade core version is introduced on 03 November 2007 and replaces the present core version. Core with HDMI port, 256 memory card, Wireless Controllers, 1 year Xbox LIVE ONE and the five Arcade games boom boom Rocket, Feeding Frenzy, Luxor 2, contained of UN, and pac-man, at the price of 279,99.

The Xbox 360 Premium VALUE luggage is to cost 349 and likewise on 03 November 2007 appear. In it a Xbox 360 Premium and the two plays Forza 2 and Viva Pinata is contained. (allegedly some dealers think over it after the plays for separating and to sell the console alone for 300 euro).

Activision and Microsoft bring a Call of Duty 4 Bundle. The price for it is to amount to 385 and to contain apart from the play a Xbox 360 Premium with wireless Controllers and HDMI connection. Also this package will appear allegedly at the beginning of November.

[BLaZiN PRopHeT]

this is what it breaks down to.

Arcade Core: 279.99
HDMI, 256 Memory Card, Wireless controller, 1 Year Xbox Live, Arcade disk containing 5 arcade games.

Premium Bundle: 349
360 Premium, Forza 2 and Viva Pinata.

Premium Standalone : 300
Premium 360

CoD4 Bundle: 385
Premium 360, HDMI, CoD4, Forza and Viva Pinata

not sure if any of these will see North America.

Edit: @Snukadaman there was no mention of COD4 i think if they added that to the deal it would sell like crazy in the states. and a premium 360 for 300 would sell also.

[Snukadaman]

http://kotaku.com/gaming/le...

[wageslave]

"Arcade disk containing 5 arcade games"

I hope they release this to retail. Xbox LIVE Arcade Unplugged Volume 2?

[solidt12]

ha ha! or at least it should contain the shipping box.

[Primetimebt]

XBOX= $350
40Gb= $400
XBOX Breaking- 6 weeks without a console
PS3 Breaking- priceless.

I think speaks for it self

[Snukadaman]

300 for a premium is cool but with m$ piss poor price drops maybe not....i love how 3 people actually disagreed with me for showing the bundle thats out on the 9th...i didnt show no sort of opinion...ahh well.

[felidae]

they can cut prices like they want... real gamers want a PS3, sorry MS

[Sayai jin]

Wow, so you mean that everybody that owns a 360 or Wii, or PS2, etc is not a real gamer? What about people who own 2 or even all of the current platforms? Come on, you can come up with something than that. These companies will always find a way to counter on another.

[TheMART]

Huh? Real gamers want a system without any games?

Explain that to me idontcare. You sound like a moron. Is the gamestore you're selling games in funded by Sony?

[tatotiburon]

real gamers wants real games...PS3 doesn't have any

[TheExodus]

I think sales figures over the last year prove that "real gamers" want a Wii. That having been said, I've been mulling over a 360 purchase since Space Giraffe was released. Problem is that neither SKU really appealed to me. The core has no wireless controller or HDD, but appearance appeals to me while the premium has a wireless controller & HDD, but I have an insurmountable aversion to chromed plastic. Come November one of the arcade SKUs will be coming home with me, provided MS doesn't go & chrome the DVD tray.

[Vertius]

You still flipping the "No Games!" card?

You should keep up with the releases. I'm getting seven games for my PS3 over the next three months. No games, eh?

[funkysolo]

I hate these xbots that claim PS3 don't have any games...What games are they playing besides Halo2.1 the extension edition and bioshock which anyone with a PC can play. Everything else is on the PS3. Halo3 sucks by the way. I just finish it yesterday in one sitting, worst game I played this year by far(7 hours). Gears of war runs circles around Halo. Halo3 is garbage and I can't beleave it got a 10/10, I guess some reveiwers got there christmas bonus early this year. 640p what happen to HD gaming, I guess it was supposed to be a xbox1 title

[jiggyjay]

got owned!

[Nightrider128]

We all know your not a gamer any way so why does anyone care what you say? Because i really don't.

[demolitionX]

if u don't recognize PS3 games, it's ur own problem to solve. I am a gamer since the commodore 64 PS1 PS2. gamers like me and NOT like u will pick PS3 no question, with the new PS3 price cut, it's cheaper. at least it has a blu-ray disc worth $400!!! MS is desperate...just watch up ur sh!t box get crushed in 2008. I will be here laughing at u.... hahahahahahahaha

[Elginer]

I guess that means that real gamers like to wait and wait and wait for games. Guess all the movie watching keeps you busy. Oh wait thats not gaming, my bad.

[Shankle]

You've clearly never player warhawk, resistance or motorstorm

[lawman1108]

And the 4 million with PS3 (and I have each) are right. You $ony bots don't get it, if the 3 RROD could not kill the xbox nothing will you know why? word of mouth. The system has great games that you have to play and now they all have HDMI (which I wish my unit had ) . $ony missed the boat and gave MS a year head start with a system that is easy to program for. Deal with it, $ony will have it's fair share of hits if it starts to MAKE GAMES.

[lmao247]

your a real gamer if you own any of the next gen systems because they are all early in cycle and if you cared enough to buy them and actively buy games, which is hard on some systems, then you are a gamer.

[Spike47]

needs to find a way to not get countered by ms's price drops.

if they make a price drop in america, they must first introduce the 40gb ,

and then later drop the price of the 80gb or make a 160gb around christmas incase ms plans on overshadowing the price drop with their own price drop.

[TheExodus]

I'm actually more excited about the "arcade" SKU than that pending 40GB PS3 & that's going to be a BIG problem for Sony come Christmas. That having been said, MS is actually starting to IMPRESS me because as time goes by they continue to add value to the 360 which is in stark contrast to Sony who seems hellbent on ripping any component out of the PS3 that isn't needed to boot a Blu-ray movie.

[SofaKingReetodded]

the only REAL competition the PS3 has is it's own high price and Sony is starting to eliminate that. What pisses these xbots off to no end is that most people would rather stay last gen and just wait for the PS3 to come down than buy an xbox.

[wageslave]

"the only REAL competition the PS3 has is it's own high price and Sony is starting to eliminate that"

Its interesting that you'd think that. At no time in the future will the PS3 ever be less money than the Xbox 360. MS will counter any price move to keep the prices roughly in line with what we see now.

This Xmass, MS added value and kept prices stable. PS3 removed value and dropped the price.

PS3 has many many problems besides price. Lack of downloadable games. Lack of GAMES (goto metacritic and lookup the scores on the libraries of the two, its not even remotely close). Lack of TV Movie offerings. Poor PSN implementation. The PS3 has terrible design, it just _looks_ fugly.

MS has free Internet TV. 3rd Party Devs love working with the Xbox 360. XNA Express is free for hackers, and the XNA-Tube is coming. MS is going to have new Television Series produced exclusively for Xbox 360. And on and on and on.

MS isnt going to be sitting still. They are anything but static. We dont even know what is going to come in the Fall update yet. But whatever it is, Im sure it will be MS pulling FURTHER away in terms of its overall offering.

MS is _accelerating_ its lead.

Oh, sure, PS3 has the MPAA/RIAA Sony Studios / BMG mandated proprietary format play...but hey.

My next desktop will probably have a HD-DVD and/or Bluray (my choice) for about $50, and I'll just use my Windows Media Center to play them over the network from my Vista Ultimate box. Cheap. Easy. Future-proof. Or I can get a HD-DVD player... if I _wanted_ (i dont).

Blueray, meh.

[PopEmUp]

Why would Sony introduce 160gb ps3, don't you know that is useless to bring an sku of larger hard drive simply ps3 can upgrade to a larger hard drive even with the 20gb version ps3. It great for sony to cut the price of the 80gb version of ps3 to $499 and than bring the price of the 60gb to $399 with a bundle of one game (uncharted drake fortune or rachet and clank 0r warhawk with b-headset. Anyway about x-box 360 fanboy saying that ps3 have no games, um are you stupid or what? Cause what I'm seeing it that You are, ps3 have great but if not the best, games like resistance fall of man, motorstorm and warhawk I can't see your point of saying Ps3 no games, and even if ps3 have no games why it still sell and x-box 360 keep competing with console have no games and if ps3 do have games it like x-box 360 will be competitive to ps3 than would it?

For though of you saying resistance fall of man is not as good well is because you has never played or even own the games So why don't you guys just STFU because all you guys just talk shiit because you don't owned or play the game

[HarryEtTubMan]

Its a joke... 360 will never ever sell 50 million consoles... the biggest games have been released and it has been out 2 years now...16 million consoles?(not even that many) Most people dont care about Fps. The people that wanted Halo mostly bought a console and thats the only "KNOWN" game on the 360. Gears is just starting to somewhat make a name for itself. Like u wouldnt pay 400 more for a PS3 with Blu ray... all the best franchises, internet, everthing is better except u miss out on Gears. Halo is worth missing out on. I'm getting a PS3

[TheMART]

"(allegedly some dealers think over it after the plays for separating and to sell the console alone for 300 euro)."

Like I said already. A Premium 360 for 299 Euro. Doesn't matter if there is a PS3 hitting 400 Euro. Best and most games are on the cheaper alternative.

This Christmas will be 360 all over again

[Grinchy]

yes.....ps2

[SofaKingReetodded]

yet the Wii overtook it in seven months?? yeah that's some demand there bud. I don't know what's funnier seeing you clowns get owned by SONY gen after gen or the fact that you actually believe MS ever has a chance in hell of beating the playstation.

[Imalwaysright]

Who disagreed with Grinchy??? Ps2 still is the best console on the Market. For 1 360 AAA game i can name at least 15 AAA games for PS2. As a hardcore gamer i would rather buy a PS2 over a PS3, 360 and Wii combined.

On topic now. After PS3 price drop it doesnt matter what M$ does to save 360. Sony gave gamers the best library of games for 2 generations and i would be very surprised if even 5% of PS owners picks up a 360 over a PS3.

[Snukadaman]

you dont think the wii being 250 bucks against the xbox 360 at almost 350 bucks has nothing too do with the wii selling more...way too live up too your nickname friend. the wii is in a worst situation then the ps3 with no games but it outsellls both the ps3 and xbox360. price has alot too say in what people buy, regardless of not having games.

[Jrome]

That doesn't seem to have as much worth as the PS3 40 gig o.O. The only thing appealing is 1 yr free xbox live :p.

[wageslave]

Xbox LIVE costs less than $3.50 per month... the Wireless controller, the Xbox LIVE Arcade Unplugged-like collection are what makes it a super price.

Sure, the $50 worth of live is good, but a Wireless controller for Xbox 360 (and PS3) costs about $45.

[reaperxciv]

for as long as you want, if you know how, paying for xbox live is no longer an issue for crybaby fanboys

[Grinchy]

I feel that now there is enough different sku's. Enough choice. The price is about right all round, so instead of trying to out drop eachother they should now just concentrate on the GAMES.

[ghost305]

*first off im no sony fanboy and i own a 360.

If Microsoft thinks these silly bundles are going to counter the 40GB PS3, they better think again. Why dont they drop the price sr8 up:
Premium for 200 dollars, Elite for 300 dollars and eliminate the core. Too many SKUs confuses the consumer, we are not shopping for Notebook or Desktops, we are shopping consoles.

[Mikelarry]

they just announced a price drop a while ago where have you been???

[wil4hire]

skip.

[BIG49]

Dumb ass

[IRONMAN_X57]

MS keeps digging themselves in a bigger hole and now its about to be filled

[TheExodus]

@IRONMAN_X57: Yes, MS has been digging themselves a BIG hole since the original Xbox launched, because they needed somewhere to put all the money they're going to start raking in come November!

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

umm what money? They haven't made a cent of profit yet.

Wow man its true that they haven't made profit yet.

[BIG49]

sure

[HarryEtTubMan]

Micrsoft had to take out almost 4 billion to make the 360 and another billion cause the one they made blows up. PwNeD . PS3 RULES!

[molotov99]

sony loses more money on a console that doesn't sell and is over priced. so you should be the one who "knows what your talking about b4 you speak"

[ParaDise_LosT]

to have the Falcon chip since they're new in production...

[Skynetone]

you had two years and this is the best you can do viva and forza, LOL

BLaZiN PRopHeT It could come with a hundred games but if i dont like them games i still wont buy it

[BLaZiN PRopHeT]

so a premium 360 with 3 games HDMI wireles controllers for 385 isnt good enough? last time i checked that was less han a 40 GB ps3. does that 40 GB ps3 come with any games? oh yea you forgot COD4 with is a new game last time i checked.

[BIG49]

go home

[doomsonyman]

i'm sorry but microsofts ubsession with sony makes me laugh because it shows how much microsoft wants to be like the big S its sad really and it just makes me smile

[aaquib5]

Look at all their products. Vista, Zune, XBOX. They all emulate successful recipes with a little bit of a twist. On Vista it was...Sorry, I can't think of anything. Vista is the XP layout with Mac OS's features. Zune is a copy of iPod with wifi. And XBOX is obviously a copy of Playstation.

It seems like Microsoft is so focused to respond to Sony rather than focus on what they need to focus on: Innovation. Sony is a proactive company so they create games like LittleBigPlanet, EchoChrome and Killzone 2 to expand video games in general, as well as provide core games with what they want(ala KZ2). Microsoft is reactive, they respond to Sony's strategies and add that twist in, instead of creating their own. The only unique think I can think of that Microsoft ever created on XBOX was XBOX Live, and Sony, instead of emulating their strategy, is working on the most ambitious project for online on a console: Home.

[ReBurn]

Yep, Microsoft was so intent to follow Sony this time around that they launched a year before the PS3 and as a result have a larger user base, a lower price point, more games and better third-party support.

Sounds more like a leader than a follower to me.

[BIG49]

lick my left nut, go read a post about the punk station

[ALMIGHTYPS3]

I got the power!!> PS3

[BIG49]

mail me some of that stuff your smokin

[lawman1108]

Tool

[Mallow]

I used to say Xbots were the worst of the bunch but I have come to the point that fanboys of any system are quite bad.
If you didn't think MS would come out with some other bundles then you're crazy and they're good deals.

I've been a fan of the PS systems since day 1, I had a PS3 first, etc. I gotta' ask though

"MS keeps digging themselves in a bigger hole and now its about to be filled"

Really ? Do you really believe what you just typed ? I really hope not.

[aaquib5]

Why would Microsoft throw in free XBox live with the core? Most of the stuff on XBOX live needs a hard drive, and core users dont have one. They should throw it into the elite to make the "free online" feature of PS3 less compelling.

[TheExodus]

Yup, I know I'll have to buy a HDD separately, but I hate the chromed DVD tray that much!

[power of Green]

So many people in here saying Xbot!, is this thread filled with teens and children?. Free games will help big time this sort of deal has always been a console pusher.

[bootsielon]

Raising the value a little for the core and dropping its price to 279.99 won't really help. 249.99? Maybe, but only if they had a Wii-like game with a Wii-like peripheral. Scene-it just won't do. Dropping it to $199... now we're talking business. I already have a 360, but droping the core to 199 would force Nintendo to follow suit; in fact, Nintendo might as well drop it hard to 149 (financially, they can; but of course, they wouldn't be able to meet supply... who knows). I want a cheap Wii so I feel like buying one (because I refuse to pay more than 149.99+Tax for 2 gamecubes duct-taped together).

They should make an Elite+HD-DVD bundle to compete with PS3 on a "Super ELITE" way. I would still opt for a PS3, but it's nice to have a choice.

[aaquib5]

Microsoft could drop the core to $99, but Nintendo doesn't care. I don't know a single person that said: "The XBOX is only $280 now, Im going to get it instead of the Wii." The Wii attracts the broad gamers and $250 isn't really a lot for them. It's a lot for me because Wii's game sucks, and the fact I spend $1000 on PS3 and 360, so I'm spoiled and the Wii's games won't do it to me. However, many casual gamers are buying the Wii and it is the FASTEST selling console of all time. Nintendo can't keep supply up, they're on fire. These casual gamers are impressed with Carnival game, Wii sports, games like Mario, etc. They aren't impressed with the graphical fidelity of Gears of War or Uncharted: Drake's Fortune.

Also, I doubt Microsoft will have an Elite HD DVD console, because not only will it add to the size of the console, but it will make PS3's price look A LOT better.

[power of Green]

Why are there so many angry Sony fans in here. Go play your PS3.

Crying talking about your sick of people saying the PS3 has no games at the same time spewing the same sh*t about the 360 in 2008.

[DJ]

Every other post from you involves some kind of outcry against "angry Sony fans", when you're the one that always seems pissed off. It's just a website.

[molotov99]

a heard of sony fanboys only means that their console isn't worth playing because they're spending time on forums rather than playing their console. why do you think many xbox and wii fans arn't on the internet?

[doomsonyman]

@aaquib5 i applaud you, you said everything with amazing grace and truth. bubble for you

[mikeslemonade]

In America the new 360 bundles looks appealing because it's Microsoft and there's Halo, but in Europe where the 40GB PS3 is, the 360 isn't even relevant there.

[wageslave]

Go have a look at the sales numbers every month up until now, and come back and tell us how the Xbox 360 doesnt matter there.

Are you smoking crack? The Xbox 360 is _also_ outselling PS3 in Europe. The only place that is not the case is Japan.

[Infernus]

The 360 is big in the UK. Less than a month ago I read that the 360 isn't that big outside of the UK in Europe.

MS is slowly losing the European market. It lost the Japanese market before it really started. The NA market is the place the 360 is now pinned into and it's not enough to win in the long term...

[MADGameR]

SONY's sword is tipping Microsoft over a bit. When SONY makes their BIG bang announcement in 6 days, SONY will overpower the balance.

[tomfoolery]

We're swimming in a pool of Sony fanatics.
N4g has become a bitter Sony wasteland.
There's hope though!
When the PS3 finally has a few games worth a spit,(oh Lord,please make it fast),
a big portion of them should clear the hell out and help this site regain some of it's former glory.

[MADGameR]

I'm not a SONY fanboy, I defend all 3 consoles and have respect for all 3 companies. I am a GAMER.....I guess if I say something positive about the PS3, you come pointing at me as the fanboy? 360 fans are worse than PS3 fans. AND if PS3 had no games, it would'nt sell not even 1 unit now would it?

[Lightning Mr Bubbles]

So MS bundles with a game, the whole package still costs you $349 or $389 and the PS3 40GB costs you $399.

Bundles aren't as affective, nobody wants to pay extra for games they don't even want.

[BloodySinner]

Stupid comment. The point is, the Xbox 360 is STILL cheaper.

[wangdiddy82]

You mean the 360 had nooooo games in its first year.. Stop getting it mixed up with the ps3.. I forgive you because I own a 360 too..

[Lightning Mr Bubbles]

Some people might not like the games included and the price is still $349 or even $389.

[BLaZiN PRopHeT]

so then buy the core for 280 or as it says in the article premium for 300. and if you dont like those games trade them in. its not costing you anything.

[SDS Gamerfiend]

This is a very, very good response! If I didn`t already own my Elite, I would have to go for the premium 360 with cod4 and forza bundle!

[test123123]

Great counter and kill that SH*T 40GB P$3 cut down version no PS2 compatible. What a crap.

[ToastyMcNibbles]

since this is a 360 article im going to come here and just bash on it! i love the console wars...this is whats fun about it...its funny...as for ms you can clearly see they are desperate...they see the 40 gig ps3 at 400 so they feel threatened...thats the only way i see it...ooooooo i cant wait to see the responses ! you 360 fiends are sooooo pathetic...still clinging onto the same ol excuse that ps3 has no games...as i recall...the deathbox pleasefixme didnt have sh*t at its first year until gears of war dropped and you alll know it to be true so dont deny it...from what i see...i have 7 ps3 games....more than half of them exclusive to the system...you guys talk about how sony has lost exclusives left to right but in the process we are gaining so many more exclusives from it....the truth is...sony will dominate from here on out...deal with it...hey im not gonna just keep bashin on ms...i have respect for what they have done for the business...all good...i mean after all...all they do is steal exclusives from sony (since they cant come up with any themselves) and then claim them as their own...damn...seems like alotta work...im impressed...nice article by the way

[Lightning Mr Bubbles]

But their price advantage is dissolving. Like Sony can't just bundle a free game also.

[wageslave]

"they see the 40 gig ps3 at 400 so they feel threatened..."

Are you joking? Sony launches PS3, it sells like a donkey. It slashes the price as fast as it can, and pulls out features and hardware.

And you think _Microsoft_ is running scared? The Playstation is in _serious_ trouble and is falling faster, Sony's new 40GB model is a move of desperation.

MS adding games and components into a Xmass Bundle is just making Sony's life _MORE_ desperate.

What colour is the sky in your world man. Developers are demanding that Sony cut prices. 3rd party titles are being pushed back, cancelled or going mulit-platform. Playstation 3 is in _serious_ trouble of being the PS3DO of this generation, and you think MS is worried?

MS has so many irons in the fire, and coming at Sony from a thousand directions - the pace is quickening, and MS is pulling further away. Sony's customers are the ones that should be concerned.

There is little doubt that MS has already won the USA market (The Largest) and is winning handily in EU.

Im going to _love_ to hear you all cry when Dragon Quest, Kingdom Hearts and/or Final Fantasy go multi-platform. Square has already started to talk about needing to expand sales in the West -- how the fcuk do you think they're going to do that?

The writing is on the wall man. Youre just tilting at windmills. Dont piss on my leg and tell me its raining. The fat lady is taking her bows.... and a hundred other obvious ways to tell you you're being dillusional.

[DJ]

In fact, their gaming market is about the same size as our's, and expanding much faster. Xbox 360 has a noticeable lead in North America, but is almost nonexistent elsewhere in the world, and it's important to have a strong presence in all three territories in order to gain #1 status. This is actually reason why the 360 was surpassed in worldwide sales by Wii and is facing a dwindling lead against PS3.

[coxyefc]

just shut up and play games you bunch of weak minded idiots.

[JCDenton]

It's interesting to see how far this idiotic fanboys (on both sides of the fence) can go! I mean - "We" and "They". Rock on, kids!

[Meus Renaissance]

I was expecting a price drop, as were people like Bloodmask and POG as they argued that a cheaper Xbox 360 would appeal to the mass market and compete directly with the Wii.

Clearly Microsoft feels that, for whatever reason, they cannot or do not feel that a price drop is necessary/feasible. Although these bundles will sell, I doubt they'd compete with a cheaper PlayStation because simply, we all have the impression that the vast majority of those interested were waiting for a price drop more so than an influx of new games; so if we go ahead with that assumption (that's all we have here on this board) that this happens then what would bundles of hardcore games appeal to? The Mass market? Or the market whom already own the console?

I think the later. Anyways, great fall for gamers all around.

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

I agree they should have dropped the [price instead, they are competeing with SONY and NINTENDO they are second place atm, yet they still want to fight the 3rd place rather than go for the 1st place. Bad move.

[DiLeCtioN]

the 40gb is coming and the ex playstation gamers are coming back...just wondering what 2008 is gonna be like,no more delays please T.T

[TheMART]

"aaquib5 - 1 Hour ago
15 - 1 year LIVE with only the core? Naah
Why would Microsoft throw in free XBox live with the core? Most of the stuff on XBOX live needs a hard drive, and core users dont have one. They should throw it into the elite to make the "free online" feature of PS3 less compelling. "

You're wrong on that one.

I guess you aren't up to date. The 360 Core is replaced by the Arcade. The arcade includes a 256 MB memory card, which does the same as the HDD: it enables you to make an online profile and go on live, one can play online games, one can interact with the friend on the friendlist, save games, and even could do some smaller media files. It can't cope with demo's/large video files, but people that buy an Arcade/Core probably aren't into that stuff also. So one year live, pretty interesting. Those people could be drawn into online while not interested at the start, and buy a HDD in the end with it, to make fully use of XBL

[reaperxciv]

you could get xbox live for FREE indefinitely even after your FREE xbox live subscription has expired.

To all crybabies who insist that you have to pay for xbox live, that isn't an issue any longer. Xbox live is FREE, if you know how to do it.

[00]

Might have to by the core just for the free xbox live.

[reaperxciv]

dude, you can get an xbox live subscription for free indefinitely...

just pm me if you are interested.

[Lightning Mr Bubbles]

I like to have a definitive console. I've been on both bandwagons, I'm been on the PS3 bandwagon and there's a lot of things to worry about.

So I've jumped on the XBOX 360 bandwagon. But then I start to worry also. Because honest to god, once you get passed Halo 3, the future doesn't look all that good for XBOX 360. It just doesn't.

When I jump on the 360 bandwagon I have some fears about the future, What killer games to have to look foward to? GTA IV is multi, but I do get some exclusive Episodes. There's Gears of War 2 in the future, and Mass Effect is this yeah pretty sweet. Bioshock 2?

Then I look at the PS3 side, there's potential there. MGS4, FFXIII, Killzone 2, FFXIII Versus, new Rockstar Exclusive could be someone great for all I know if they have enough money to try to beat GTA. Rumored FFVII remake which I think is gonna happen eventually. And then there's the fear that the development focus will switch more to PS3 in 2009 and beyond if it's really more advanced.

But then back to the PS3, Rockstar new IP could be crap for all I know and even rumors of FFXIII going multi platform. And at the moment, most third party games are a little better on XBOX 360 because 360 is the lead platform. So I have no idea what's the best console this gen. I keep trying to find the definitive consoles and I just can't. So I'm very bitter and unhappy with this gen.

[BLaZiN PRopHeT]

just get both its not that serious. and i have never seen you on the 360 bandwagon your always bashing the 360 every chance your get. as a matter a fact you tried to down play the bundles twice in this thread already. also i could name a ton of games for next year but it wouldn't matter to you anyway.

[Meus Renaissance]

I bought the 360 when it launched. Had/have a great time with it as I feel I've had the best from it. After a few months, either I will sell it or give it to my brother who plays it more than me now.

PlayStation 3 will be my future and only console because I'm confident that we will see the games to justify it. I'm already very happy with it especially with the upcoming games e.g. Uncharted and Ratchet.

Plus its a great built machine, I cant emphasise this enough. I'm very wary of my Xbox as it feels clunky and vulnerable in comparison. But go for the console that has your type of games on it at the end. That's what I've done.

[EZCheez]

You would have just waited two more months. These ext two months are loaded with great games for the PS3, the 2.0 update, and the beginning of the open beta for Home. There isn't really a need to abandon anything. If you like what both consoles offer, then get both. I will probably have a 360 within the year, but that doesn't mean I have to dislike my PS3.

We are all on this site for one main reason. WE ALL LOVE VIDEOGAMES. Sometimes we just forget about what it's all really about.

[Lightning Mr Bubbles]

Right now I changed already. And yeah I know there plenty of 360 games in 2008. There's plenty of PS3 games I didn't mention either like Heavy Rain, or White Knight Story, or Little big planet, or Gran Turismo or Infamous or the rumored Shadow of the Colossus 2.

I only named the biggest. I'm sure you're gonna feed me crap like the stradegy game Halo wars, or maybe Fable, and Too Human, or feed me the Alan Wake bullcrap. I'm talking about huge killer games.

[Meus Renaissance]

No huge killer games, that can be compared with Sony's lineup, has been announced for the 360 in 2008. This is why people claim Sony will win 2008.

Why did you jump in then? Final Fantasy? Even if that turned out to be multiplatform, which I dont believe it will, by the time that happens the PS3 will be as cheap as the 360 anyway. It'd depend what console you'd want to play it on and also what other games you'd want beside it.

[segasage]

sony downgrades the PS3 as well as its price and every thing is fine.

ms upgrades the core systems and offers a free year of xbox live with a cheaper price but ofcourse this is a negative sony lemmings eye.

The gamers that will never ever own the console have the most complaints.

fanboyism at its best.

[psycho360]

Without games ps3 40gb bundle will not be that successful considering they've dropped BC. What do you expect people to buy for ps3? LAir? Resistance ? Motorstorm? 1 year old games? Where as 360 has bioshock, H3, Ace 6, ME, PGR4 ie. 2 already established and released AAA titles and 3 more on the way along with MP goodness of AC and COD4. Ps3 upcoming releases are at the very least sketchy, no one knows if UT3 will be rlsd this year or not, neither HAze nor Drake are established AAA titles so people will have to wait for reviews before throwing in the money.

So this holiday, 360 is looking more feasable than ever from a gamer's perspective who's not a die hard fanboy of sony or nint.

[Meus Renaissance]

No one is interested in the 40GB. Everyone will want the 60GB with 2 games and BC for £49 extra.

I just feel that Sony will do very well this holiday.

[pshizle]

360 bundle is looking damn good and the ps3 sucks a big one

[BLaZiN PRopHeT]

do sony fans in this thread really think sony will drop the price of the ps3 again anytime soon? if they drop it again within 1 year id be shocked as hell. i wanna know how much money they have already lost with the first price cut and now how much they are losing with the 40GB ps3.

[The Wood]

ms shouldn't need to cut its price or counter anything sony does but guess what, they have done before and are doing it again. that 299 price in the uk has now just made the elite look a little weak considering theres no hddvd bundled with it the only thing the elite has that the new psku doesn't have is the large hdd. if you think thats not going to make a difference come xmas then you truly naive or just an extreme fanboy. if you think that retailers like amazon wont include 300 blu ray or pirates or spiderman blu ray of whatever with a game or two then you've been living in a box, period. official bundles are 1 thing but retailers will do their own thing and sony AND ms know this. This xmas is gunna be crazy for retailers. i think ill be avoiding bluwater and lakeside this year, eff that sh*t for a laugh

edit

difference in terms of hardware not bundled software

[PimpHandHappy]

MS is reacting to Sony! Just like the Elite coming out after the PS3 was launched....

[segasage]

"sony now has competion"

[demolitionX]

bots say no PS3 games now, what about ur box won't have games in 2008...bingo!!!

[ReBurn]

And I understand that the only reason that Sony has such a killer 2008 lineup is because those are all of the games that got pushed back from an initial 2007 release window. Name a single Q1 game that is being hyped that was intended to be a Q1 game.

[ElementX]

Is the cheaper PS3 coming to the US or just Europe and other territories?

[UltramanJ]

I'm holding off buying my second 360 until they show up. Anyway, I found a few comments amusing.
The first being PS3 has "no games". Yeah, if you don't count Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, Haze, Burnout, Orange Box, UT3, Heavenly Sword, Oblivion GOTY edition, Warhawk, etc then yes there's just no darn games to play.
Second being Lighting and his bandwagon jumping. How about bucking the N4G trend and just embracing gaming in general instead of playing sides. I honestly hope you didn't sell your PS3 when you jumped on the 360 bandwagon. This holiday season the 360 wins hands down, but from the looks of things the PS3 has a far more promising future lineup.

[sheng long]

I can't believe some of you guys are still holding on to the ps3 has no games card.

UltramanJ:
the only reason microsoft wins this holiday is HALO 3. the game will outsell anything in the planet. as a gamer however, give me Orange BOX (multi) Uncharted or R&C (PS3) over halo 3 any day of the week.
NOTE: i'm not bashing HAlO3 in any way as it's a good game, but i'm more excited about the games i mentioned.

[Bathyj]

No games on PS3 just doesn't cut it any more bots.

PS3 will have has many good games in 2007 has Xbox had. The difference is PS3 are coming in the next 3 months, Xboxes have been and gone except for Mass Effect. I've been buying all the good Xbox games this year while PS3 was in drought, and you know what? There weren't that many.

Guess which consoles getting a grand of my money this year and which one will likely get none. Ha no games my arse.

PS.
As for the topic,
Sony Acts, M$ reacts, nothing new here.

[segasage]

"No games on PS3 just doesn't cut it any more bots. "

very similar to ms and its rrod issue, when the new falcon consoles are coming, just like PS3 and Games.

funny ps3 lemmings continue to hold on to the notion, "the ps3 continues without games but swear it has games."

do me a favor look up the sales of

heavenly sword,
lair
warhawk

of course halo 3 has surpassed all 3 which was expected but why these games not selling so well? with over 4 million ps3 owners whats the total sales of all those games?

it's not just about having games but are the games selling? the 360 has been out a year longer but the game attach rate is quite HIGH. very high.

ask yourself, do the ps3 have games that sell consoles?

the only reason sony sold a little more than ms a while back because of "price-cut" not because there was games to move sales. now with the 40 gigger with "BC" we'll see how this holds up.

Great move by Ms and these bundles are not bad, especially the arcade. we'll see this holiday if "PRICE" talks.

good luck and good night.

[Gahigiddy]

While PS3 actually has been getting games and after this holiday season that will be irrefutable (though I doubt your kin would care)

[Gahigiddy]

PS3's value has forever been higher than 360's, it was obvious, and hard to learn I suppose, that value doesn't sell consoles. Great games and/or affordability sells consoles.

Great games in varied genres ONLY PS3 will get this year (Singstar, R&C, Uncharted, GT5P, Haze), a PES bundle - PES is HUUUUGE in Europe, and an immensely more affordable entry cost.

No one cares about 360's cost. In this case, it's not a substitute, so NO MART, you're WRONG. No one who wants a PS3 will care about 360. PS3 is more valuable at 400 than 360 at 300 (which it has been going by in mainland Europe for the last 7 months and STILL LOSING to PS3).

So yeah, too little too late MS. Europe is Sonyland this Xmas (remember, PS3 never even had an Xmas season in Europe)

[solidt12]

They should make system that doesn't have all the current issue's the Xbox has now like disc read errors and the red ring of death.

[TheDynamo]

Prior to the PS3's price drop, I predicted that the XBOX360 would open up a 10 million console lead on the PS3 after the Christmas season. With the new SKU's being released by Sony, the only thing that will happen is Sony's PS3 selling in line with the XBOX360 during the Christmas season. No one will blow anyone away when it comes to the Next-Gen Consoles. The Wii is going to dominate the season and the XBOX360 and the PS3 will be there to pick up the scraps. We all just have to deal with that.

So at the end of the day, we'll be in EXACTLY this same position a few weeks after Christmas:

Wii - 1st Place (Wii will have a wider margin on both consoles.)
XBOX360 - 2nd Place (XBOX360 will sell phenomenally, but lose ground to Wii.)
PS3 - 3rd Place (PS3 will sell extremely well, but still be behind the XBOX360 by approximately 7 million consoles.)

Note: The Halo 3 Effect and shortage of Wii consoles may push Microsoft in line with the Wii's sales, but not MORE than Wii's sales.

There you go. Talk amongst yourselves.

[power of Green]

Sony's last effort to compete with this dumbed down console; be thankful MSFT is allowing Sony to stay in the market they could easily monopolize the industry.

#45 who cares about Halo 3! why do you people worry so much about Halo; that you have to insult it any chance you get, no ones cares how you feel about this title.

Its Huxley you people should be worried about(Possible new Halo 1000 times better with way more to offer and looks twice as better graphiclly, this will make the 360 version of URT look simple in comparieson).

Video:

http://www.n4g.com/xbox360/...

PICS:

http://www.huxleygame.com/i...

http://huxley.gameamp.com/g...

http://www.huxleygame.com/i...

[DJ]

Very low polygon counts.

Vegetation only loads for a certain distance, then becomes nonexistant.

No self-shadowing.

Only characters cast shadows, not the environment nor the vehicles.

Lighting itself is just a simple Distant emitter, with almost no dynamic lights in the scene, even from the gravity booster exhaust (which are just textured polygons).

Low anistropic filtering + lack of normal mapping.

The list goes on and on. This might have been impressive like two years ago; against heavyweights like Unreal Tournament 3 (which you mentioned, ironically), this is nothing.

[PimpHandHappy]

lol

How long has that game been in the works? I do hope its good thou because that and ME are the only games of interest coming in the next year that might get me to buy a 360

[Figboy]

i won't get into the backwards compatibility issue, but Microsoft and Sony are both in good positions this holiday season with their respective price cuts. of course, i'm assuming that here in North America, the $400/40gig PS3 will hit in the next few weeks.

the bundles Microsoft are offering are solid. you get everything you need except for a hard drive in the "Arcade" bundle.

and a PS3 at $400 is a very good price.

i mean, think of it from a consumer perspective. not a holiday shopper, not a soccer mom and soccer dad shopping for little junior, but as an *ADULT gamer (i'm 28 years old, and buy my *OWN toys, thanks).

as a consumer, it's all about what value they are getting for their dollar.

you can get the "CoD4 Bundle", which apparently includes the Premium 360 with 20gig HDD, HDMI, CoD4, Forza and Viva Pinata, for $385 (just going by the first post's summary).

or, you can get a 40gig Playstation 3, which doesn't come with any games, but comes with a Blu Ray drive, built in Wi Fi, HDMI, etc, for $400, just $15 more.

an HD conscious consumer would probably go for the PS3, but the 360 deal isn't a bad one either.

like i said, both companies are positioned for a happy holidays, really.

it basically just boils down to personal preference and taste:

are you a Mass Effect or Uncharted kind of guy? a Halo or Unreal Tournament 3 kind of gal? do lovable Pinata's, or wisecracking Ratchet float your boat?

both consoles are offering some solid entertainment this fall, so it's simply about what type of games the consumer is interested in.

there's no right or wrong choice here.

the competition between Sony and MS is most certainly heating up, and the kid gloves are off. consumers will ultimately be the ones to benefit from this.

[u got owned]

its over for Sony... lol

[VaNdAl]

its over for xbox

[mesh1]

ill wait till ps3 gets good games then ill buiy a ps3 for dirt cheap but atm its still garbage atm 0 games all ps3 games are terrible inc rrom i will buy the ps3 maybe ;later next year when i can seee games that push gameboundry as sony claims with cell till then i will play the best games on 360

[Leg-End]

you obviously typed that with your knees...

[Leg-End]

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[IRONMAN_X57]

dont you get it!!! sony is doing this on purpose, they know the 40 GB will sell out but some ppl wont buy which leaves them to the 60 GB which will most likely have a price drop, damn you dudes dont know jack about buisness

BTW look at this cool beta concept of the brute

[Dogswithguns]

360 doesnt sound good to me.....

[BADBOYEK4]

You SONY Fans needs to wake up and smell the Coffee. SONY is a FAILING company and the 40GIG PS3 is the LAST Stance for SONY console Division. SONY Laid off Employees World Wide, Closed Sony Shops World Wide, Borrowed 80 million Dollars from a BANK in JAPAN, and SOLD Half of the Companies INSURANCE to help with the LOST MONEY on the PS3. This is what Microsoft wants, they know SONY dont have Nowere Near the MONEY they have. Hell Microsoft make more Money in a Quarter than what SONY makes in a YEAR. HALO 3 Sold 3.8 million in 5 DAYS, that got the ATTENTION of all the DEVELOPOERS World Wide and Let them KNOW, if you make a good on the 360 it will SALE.

[djt23]

XBOX= $350
40Gb= $400

40 gig of spaces
256mb of spaces

come on

[caffman]

elite with 120GB with 3 games =£300
60 GB PS3 with 2 games (after price cut) = £369
40 GB PS3 with no games = £299
I know which I think is the better deal!

[THE TERMINATOR]

These are bundles not price drops. They dont really have the same effect. The Ps3 bundle in Europe didnt sell as well as a price drop would have. This will have no effect MS is screwed and they are sh!tting their pants. Most people want a PS3 and at this price its a bargain!!! MGS4 ALL THE WAY. WAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHAHAHAHAHHA A

[sumfood4u]

Eat a Banana an B~E~Z!

[bklynrecca]

40 GIG BUNDLED WITH RACHET AND CLANK....SINCE IT WAS DELAYED A WEEK ...THAT WOULD TOTALLY BLOW AWAY ANY BUNDLE MS BRINGS OUT

[THE TERMINATOR]

CAFFMAN
RROD also included in the bundle

[caffman]

I've had a 360 nearly 2 years and no problems and great games. Unlike my PS2 which I had to change 3 times because of bad lasers. That is why I'm in no hurry to get a PS3

[dfcm2003]

If the Xbox360 is the Holy Grail, why even try to counter the PS3? I know, because now the PS3 price is right, and has more features, and all these great games are coming out before the holiday. LOL what a joke MS is. OR They could just give every 360 Owner a $50 trade-in on an UPGRADE system. LOL People are already wanting to upgrade on the new falcon, Yea give MS more of your money for the same P.O.S. with a different chip. LOL

[GamerForever]

I have been a gamer for 22 years now. I log on n4g everyday 10 times or more a day to see whats happening in the gaming world. First i would like to say well done to n4g for makin it the best gaming site for breaking news on upcoming games and technology. Keep it up!!

I have read many many comments from users on this site and everytime it goes on about xbox360 vs PS3 mostly. It's funny to read them so keep them coming. :) Altough most of u prolly dont know what ur talking about!!

Now lemme say what i think about all this MS vs Sony crap:

Sony has made a name for itself in the console market with the PS1 & PS2. At the time there was nobody that could rival the technology in their consoles. This made sony PS1 & PS2 the console to buy and many did. Microsoft was allready a very well known company at the time but their maket was purely software and that made MS king of the OS. MS having a much more worldwide base with their OS on nearly every pc in the world became bigger then sony.

MS decided to have a go at the gaming market with the xbox since gaming on pc was allready booming. They knew all about the technology avaliable DX7 DX8 DX9 DX10. They had formed a good alliance with ATI & NVidia so they knew what was best around. Sony allways had their own engineers. The xbox came out and it was much better in graphics then the ps2 but didnt have the games plus xbox came out much later then ps2. Most console devs where focused on ps2 allready only few on xbox.

This time around its a different story. XBox360 came out 1 year before the sony ps3. MS had allready given many devs their tools to make games for it. Many devs were allready very familiar with the tools as they are same as pc dx gaming tools. MS went to ATI for their gpu technology. Sony went to nvidia. MS know how ati tech and nvidia tech works trough thier pc gaming support. To me ati is and still will be for many years to come a leader in gpu technology. Im not saying that nvidia are crap but their technology is a bit inferior then that of ati. This was proven recently in an article which i read on n4g, latest mid range ati pc card beats on benchmarks latest high end nvidia card. MS did the right choice to choose ati and i think the gpu in xbox360 beats hands down gpu in PS3. The funny thing is that both console's gpu are based on dx programming gpu's from pc technology. I also read long ago that sony rushed into getting nvidia into ps3 because of problems with IBM cell.

Sony put blu ray drives into ps3. I dont understand why as their is no real benefit in this for games. The blu ray in ps3 is there purley to watch movies and nothing else. MS did the wise thing and put dvd in xbox360. Dual layer dvd can hold over 8gb of data. Its gonna be while before games will need more storage space then 8gb on a disk. Compression tools are getting better as well so it might never happen. Mass Effect is gonna be mega big in terms of data and still fits on a dvd.

The IBM cell has its place in a computer not the ps3. Many here say it makes better physics in the games. Many devs said u wont even see the difference between the two.

Games wise the xbox360 is very dominant at the moment. PS3 will get good games dont get me wrong but the xbox360 will have more impressive visually looking games. I dont like halo 3 i think its nothing special. Mass effect will blow it away.

The recent ps3 systems are to me a desperate move from sony. MS can outdo every sony move now because they have the hold on the market. The new sku's from MS will sell more then the ps3 becuase of price and games available and upcoming ones. I see ps3 games as more japan orientated. Games that are not like that go multiplatform. MS dosent need japan market yet. MS is focusing mostly on europe as NA is hooked on 360. Japan market will come surely but slowly for MS.

Anyways ill stop here for today. Bloody long for my 1st post.

Peace

[caffman]

good post. bubbles to you

[THAMMER1]

I think the PS3 fans know this too. I just feel they really do not want to accept it. I feel all gamers need to relax and just have fun and stop letting the media control how we feel about our hobby.

GAMES

[Pekka]

Blue Dragon has 3 DVD's and Lost Odyssey will have 4 DVD's on 360. These are probably the only ones right now but I'm sure there will be more games on several discs soon. Are those discs needed is another matter...

[TheExecutive]

1. Every successful console in the last 15 years introduced a new format to the gaming world. Games are going to require more space as this generation moves on. (this is one reason why i believe that MS will have a new console out by Q4 of '09).

2. You should definitely know that in the first year of a consoles life great games are hard to find and you should also know (if you have been doing your research) that the ps3 has a very good game library for it being out for less than a year.

3. MS, Nintendo, nor Sony has any kind of "hold" on the market as of yet. There were over 140 million people that bought a last gen system. 12-15 million people can hardly be considered and kind of "hold".

4. MS has some very exciting games coming up, most notably ME and Alan Wake. MS doesnt need to lower the price of their consoles, they need to make it more reliable. If they want to have any shot of counteracting Sony's onslaught of games next year (LBP, KZ2, MGS4, GT5, FF, 8 Days) they better start with their hardware.

[MANTIIS]

"Sony put blu ray drives into ps3. I dont understand why as their is no real benefit in this for games. The blu ray in ps3 is there purley to watch movies and nothing else."

It is this uneducated comment that diminished your post for me to the "caca" pile of forum posts. Maybe you are thinking about the way HD-DVD works with 360? There are already a number of GAMES that utilize the Blu Ray medium on the PS3.

One more thing to EVERYONE...I want to make clear that I don't "bash" the GAMES of 360, but the garbage HARDWARE itself. While I am more in favor of the PS3 as the hardware of choice this gen, I am very disappointed with the way MS, for "all the deep pockets you xfans claim they will use, " have ripped us gamers off with their defective, rushed hardware this generation <remember, I've been through 3>, thus, trying to strong arm market said garbage with the same funds & philosophy they do their other garbage-Windows & IE. For every generation since '96 (the fourth generation of games) Sony has offered something good to give gamers, now this generation they offer the best. Disagree all you want, dispute with rhetoric and supposition, but in the end-if and when Sony wins the market and has the best games venue (again), if you find yourself in that possible future buying a PS3...for all your hypocracy, the more fool you.

[spike]

XBOX 360 is awesome. Great system. PS3 dont stand a chance

[THE TERMINATOR]

Yeah the 360 is so awesome that it cant even run its flagship title in true HD. Yeah us Ps3 owners are screwed (sarcasm).

[Tyrael]

One more SKU and i swear to Jah im gonna shoot someone

[TheExecutive]

It doesnt need bundles, or new SKU's. IT NEEDS RELIABLE HARDWARE AND FORWARD THINKING. It lacks both at the moment.

[nrdygrl87]

why dont they first try to do something right and make a console that works. they keep putting out that crappy hardware that breaks. the xbreak is crap.

[MANTIIS]

Valiant attempt at competing MS, but THIS IS NO VALUE. Viva Pinata? LMAO!!! Forza 2? ok Forza 2 is better than Viva, but PGR4 would have been a better choice or including Halo 3 would have earned my respect (that would be REAL competeion)

Still, I am relieved that the PS3 package is still 10x better...

PS3-

Blu-Ray player (movies/games)

Bluetooth

Built in wi-fi

Free online gaming/downloadable content & Home (PSN)

Stable hardware

Interchangeable hard drive (non-propietary) and OS

The best graphics and most powerful architecture in current console technology (Nvidia & Cell)

Tivo-like service coming soon

Thousands of games (with backwards compatibilty), incredible software line up beginning '08 with exclusive access to the most beloved franchises in the industry( God Of War (YES!), Gran Turismo, Final Fantasy, Tekken, Killzone, Unreal (you know Epic saves the real eye candy of the Unreal Engine for the flagship game, and more)

Excellent customer service, and more.

360- for 50.00 less-

Viva Pinata & Forza 2 free or 5 arcade titles free including Pac Man

Access exclusive Halo series

Pay for wi fi adapter

Extra Controller with Call of Duty bundle or Arcade package only

Best "current" software venue

Propietary HDD, not upgradeable unless you PAY for the upgrade (storage capacity limited)

X-box Live free for one year (then you pay 50.00 a year afterward)

Older version HDMI port

3 year warranty free (unreliable hardware, 33% failure rate confirmed by retail statistics <I've been through 3 myself>)

No advantage to paying 50.00 more for Elite model except for larger capacity propietary HDD.

Now if you're blind (or just gdamned biased disagree, but which one here is the better value?

[teto83]

just pay $50 more for a PS3 and refuse to live in fear of the RRoD!!!

[GamerForever]

Blue dragon has 3 dvd's why..typical fantasy japanese game with loads of cgi movies that take loads of disk space. 3 dvd's would come to 26.5 GB of space. Blu Ray holds 25gb of data. There is mention that sony is making 50 gb disks now. Because of compression problems for the cell processor games on the ps3 will need lot more storage space then 360 games. Blu dragon would have fitted on 1 dvd if they use the ingame engine to do the movies but japanese fantasy rpg games are movies really. I remeber playing FF7 i think it was 7 yeah on PS and finished the game. Most of it was like a movie and you get to play a bit there and then. The japan market loves those kinda games. As i said PS3 and blu ray is good for japan devs. The western devs have created such good game engines that movies nearly look as good as cgi movies and no need for extra space cause of better compression.

Regarding the hardware yes MS made mistakes and lots of failures on 360. My 360 is in for repair after 9 months. Still i would'nt bash the 360 for that as i know i have better console then ps3 so im ready to wait. My bro had his 360 from beginning of cycle and never had problem. The most powerful architecture nvidia and cell haha. The problem devs are facing its because these two dont really go together because that was never the plan for sony. Nvidia was the last hope for them because of problems with cell. Devs couldnt do nothing with cell so sony put a dx based gpu in ps3 to make it a bit easier and get the ps3 on the market. Still 360 ati gpu is more advanced then PS3 nvidia gpu. The nvidia gpu cant keep up with the cell so this cpu will never reach its full potential.

You say about the HDD and OS. If i want an OS i would buy a pc not a gaming console. Both consoles are based on pc technology. If MS (the king of os) wanted they would easily put os on 360 too but it dosent need one its useless. Its main purpose is for gaming.

Xbox live yes u have to pay little money for great service and lots of features which psn has nowhere to be seen. Home? I trust ms to have something up its sleeve to do something even better. MS know what online is all about. Sony hasent figured it out yet.

Bluetooth has no real advantage on the wireless system in the 360. If there is please explain to me what they are as i would like to know. Knowledge is power they say.

Wifi i have the option to do it but i opted out as i have a router and just hooked my xbox to it trough utp cable. I dont find wifi more relaible the direct cable connection. The technology is still evolving and from where im from we dont have timber walls but 12" thick bricks dividing rooms. This created problems for hotspots with wifi so i dont need it. If ill want it i have option to get it.

As for tivo service ms allready has plans to do this with digital tv trough marketplace.

140 Million people went for sony because there was no real competition. this time round there is. Sony says the ps3 will last till 2012. Xbox360 will last till 2010. When MS makes new console (hopefully not name it xbox720 cause its a crap name really) sony can kiss the market goodbye. This generation is still too close to call i guess but it looks like MS is gonna be a leader like in many other things allready. Its too powerful for sony to handle.

Peace

[MANTIIS]

I'm glad that you love your 360, even though it is taking its first of many visits to the repair shop. It is interesting to hear how you downplay each of the technological features that PS3 has to offer over 360. You don't like Bluetooth? Fine, then stick to your interference prone, radio signal. Don't like Wi fi? Awesome. But, that does not delineate the fact that Sony offers it for free. Sure, Live is a better service all around, but if you ever play a lag free session of Warhawk on PSN, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference (oh, and the connection is free). Oh, you're saying that Sony is going for 50GB Blu Rays with games? Perhaps you are unaware that 50GB dual layer blue rays already exist, and that Sony is gunning for 100 GB four layer discs, and there are experiments for 200GB six layer discs. Cell has a hard time compressing this data? I don't believe that, none of my save files are very large, maybe 1 or 2 MB, and considering that I can upgrade my HDD to any size I want, who cares? The Japanese like games like Blue Dragon? Then why was it such a failure in Japan? Not enough 360's in homes? Sony can kiss the market goodbye? WTF? With 200 million PS2 users, all Sony needs is a small percentage of them to take the lead in this battle. Who do you think the 40GB PS3 is aimed at? You are wrong about the PS3 GPU not reaching its potential, and that 360's GPU is more powerful, as well. On paper, PS3's GPU is 50MHz faster than 360's and has no problem working with the Cell(RSX was custom built for it)-when you consider that not all of PS3's 7 SPE core's are currently being utilized in games, its amazing then that there are already games available on PS3 that are impossible to duplicate on 360 (Heavenly Sword would be one). Consider also, that the speed at which instructions are transfered to GPU via CPU in 360 is not all that fast with its 1MB of L2 cache vs. PS3's over 2.3MB of L2 cache (larger instruction usually translates to MORE on screen). Plus, the unified memory architecture of the 360 is not a friend of the workhorsed GPU (it has to share its resources with the CPU) and this is probably why the system overheats and RROD's so much. I have always preferred Nvidia to ATI, anyway (as do most PC gamers). Look, I;m not trying to take anything away from you, but I will not read on as someone laughingly tries to technologically diminish PS3 under 360. There is no comparison, and now that the 360 ports are dying down, you might start to see that in the graphics. If you love your 360, great, you seem to be a big fan not to care that it unreliably crashed on you...but I think it sucks. Talk to me after Christmas, smart guy.

[sheng long]

No real competition for ps2? funny you don't consider gamecube, dreamcast and xbox "real" competion.

your mini "article" is so biased you can't expect anyone to take you seriously.

[TheDynamo]

I love when people come on here and give honest, intelligent, unbiased opinions about the console war. Thanks, Gamer Forever. The Sony Fanboys feel that they have to attack you personally because they can't counter against anything that you've said. I read your initial post on the website yesterday, and it speaks volumes. You have to understand. There are a number of people on this website that aren't intelligent enough to give a REAL argument without getting personal. That's just a sign of a lack of intelligence by letting emotion determine the direction of their comment.

Sony has a HUGE uphill climb on their hands, and the people on here know it. Even if Sony started to outsell Microsoft by 100,000 consoles a month, they would still be years behind. And Microsoft will continue to put out banner titles and price drops.

Unfortunately, Sony Fanboys won't listen to reason. Good try though...

[joydestroy]

yeah if CoD4 was bundled here...that would sell some hardware.
the US is getting the Forza 2 and Marvel Ult. Alliance bundle.

[0LDSCH00L]

"360 fans are worse than PS3 fans." Your obviously an idiot!