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Lack of exclusives for holidays might hurt the PS3 as 360 dominates with Reach

Gamersmint : While everyone's busy flaking the Xbox 360 for the lack of exclusives, it seems Sony's not faring any better with their line-up of games for fall 2010.

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Meisadragon4949d ago

for holidays sony or 360 will own with reach :\

vhero4949d ago (Edited 4949d ago )

Disagree as Black ops will OWN the holidays on both consoles. GT5 and reach will sell well but you cant touch the power of COD.

bobdog6264949d ago (Edited 4949d ago )

Black ops will own on the 360 thats for sure .without LBP and Socom to stop Fable and Kinect this statement might come true.I would not put all my money on just GT5.Not everyone is in to Racecars u know.

zootang4949d ago (Edited 4949d ago )

Well in Europe Fifa 11 PS3 1.2m (not including 360) outsold Halo Reach first week sales. So that can't be bad, then there is GT5.

DigitalAnalog4949d ago

There exists countries "outside" US. You know...

-End statement

vsr4949d ago

US - 1.COD, 2.GT5
EU - 1.GT5, 2.COD
Asia - 1.GT5, 2-20. Japan Games

Overall = Multiplatform winner = COD
= PS3 winner = GT5
= xbox winner = COD

Reach has No chance

Heartnet4949d ago

Cant say halo reach is dominatinating the holidays.. 2 of ma friends are already trading it in lol

Information Minister4949d ago

Shooters are the most oversaturated genre of this generation. The new entries in the COD and MOH series will keep trigger happy gamers busy for the next few months. I don't see why they specifically need an exclusive title for that purpose. Unless it's for the bragging rights, but that's immature fanboy territory.

As for Halo dominating the sales, I just don't see that happening, unless you're talking about North American sales only. American media often forgets about the rest of the world. In my country (and many other European countries) GT is a lot bigger than Halo. Just this morning a co-worker asked me when is GT5 being released and if a PS3 price cut is expected during Christmas season. He's going to buy a PS3 just for Gran Turismo. And don't get me started on Japan.

Organization XII4949d ago

GT4 on the ps2 looked better than Forza3 on the 360, so imagine how GT5 after 6 years how will it be on the PS3..

Reach is a kids game compared to GT5, this article is pure BS..

mikeslemonade4949d ago

Same, I traded in Halo Reach along with other games to get 2k11 on both systems.

Also GT5 is the only game this holiday that will sell systems. The other games are just taking advantage of the holiday rush.

ZombieAssassin4949d ago

I don't get it, Doesn't the xbox only have 1 exclusive this holiday and it came out a month ago. We can't consider Fable an exclusive anymore since it's going to be on PC. I hate articles like this all they are doing is looking for fanboy hits and avoiding the facts. GT5 and Halo are pretty much on the same scale now it's just GT is more of a Euro game and Halo is more of a US game, doesn't matter though because Black Ops will outsell them both on their respected consoles and we all know both GT and Halo are of higher quality than CoD so sales don't=anything.

ExplosionSauce4949d ago (Edited 4949d ago )

It came out a month ago in September. It doesn't count as a holiday game does it?
I don't think so.

How does 360 game hurt the PS3?
Maybe if it was a multiplatform game...?

Army_of_Darkness4949d ago (Edited 4949d ago )

Lords of shawdow, GT5 and black ops will be the last games I purchase for this year:)

emekcrash4949d ago

Not everyone is into RPGs and "moving your hand around the room like an idiot" you know. Fable 3 will sell bad anyway.

kneon4949d ago

GT5 will move system, Halo won't.

If you are a Halo fan you've got a 360, so any incremental sales due to Reach are mostly just people upgrading to the new box or people replacing dead Xboxes. With GT5 it's a different story, a lot of people have been waiting just for this game before buying a PS3. It wouldn't surprise me to see a 20%+ pop in PS3 sales worldwide in November.

sikbeta4949d ago

lol this is for real? Bwahahaha... someone forgot The Real Driving Simulator....

GT5 FTW!!!

Sarcasm4949d ago

I love how fable's going to be on pc

ThatsGaming4949d ago (Edited 4949d ago )

CoD doesn't sell consoles. Exclusive content does. Nobody will buy a PS3 over 360 because of CoD. It is about differentiators this holiday.

Kinect, 10 new exclusive Kinect games (Your Shape, Kinectimals, Kinect Adventures, Kinect Sports, Joy Ride, Sonic Freeriders, Zumba Fiteness, Motion Sports, Dance Central, Dance Masters), Halo Reach, Fable III, 360 slim, and a dashboard update

vs.

Move, 4 new exclusive Move games (Kung Fu Rider, Eye Pet, Sport Champions, and Racket Sports), GT5, and probably a firmware update.

Black Ops will sell more than anything else, but that isn't going to push new consoles (Other than people who don't have one yet). And if a person is going to buy a console because of CoD they will probably be buying a 360 because all CoD DLC is first on 360 until 2012.

elmaton984949d ago

We know that but is too bad that kodick is the boss of activision ( anyboby know of a good killer)

Aquanox4949d ago

Less than 1 month until the 360 overtakes the PS3 in Europe. By the end of the year, the gap might well be 8 million again, and this time growing.

SaberEdge4949d ago

I think Sony will do just fine with GT5, the Move games, and multiplatform games. Not to mention that just because certain games came out earlier in the year doesn't mean that people won't be picking them up this holiday. Games like GOW3, Heavy Rain and Demon's Souls will still encourage some people to finally pick up a PS3.

Same goes for games on the 360 like Halo Reach, Alan Wake, and Splinter Cell Conviction. Just because they came out already doesn't mean that they won't have any impact on holiday sales.

It is kind of crazy, though, just how many PS3 exclusives are being packed into 2011. I don't know if I have ever seen so many high-profile exclusives crammed into one year. I can only hope that I, and other PS3 owners, can keep up with all the great exclusives coming out and that the games don't end up with lower sales simply because they are competing with so many other outstanding games.

NickIni4949d ago (Edited 4949d ago )

"10 new exclusive Kinect games (Your Shape, Kinectimals, Kinect Adventures, Kinect Sports, Joy Ride, Sonic Freeriders, Zumba Fiteness, Motion Sports, Dance Central, Dance Masters"

"..Move, 4 new exclusive Move games (Kung Fu Rider, Eye Pet, Sport Champions, and Racket Sports"

Woah! Those games sound fudging awesome! Day 1 purchase for me!!!!

Seriously though, sales mean sweet FA to me as a consumer, I just care about what decent games are coming out, rather than all this Move/Kinect cannon fodder. And that this year is GT5, COD and Fable 3. Pretty bleak for this time of the year IMO.

HolyOrangeCows4949d ago

Sorry, ps3-haters; GT5 did NOT disappear.

zag4949d ago

SSSSHhh DigitalAnalog = They think baseball is played all over the world.

it's best they don't know about other countries.

snoopgg4949d ago

Well lets see, theres the Medal of Honor coming out tomorrow, Black ops and the Badcompany2 Nam expansion pack coming out in November. These 3 shooters are enough to keep busy with until Killzone 3 comes out.

Narutone664948d ago

I'm into driving simulator so I'm good to go with GT5.

raztad4948d ago (Edited 4948d ago )

I totally dont understand the rationale of this article, probably it is because I'm not giving it a hit only to read a load of Bullcrap.

How is even possible someone claim that PS3 have no exclusive this holidays when the biggest exclusive game among all the Sony portfolio is about to be released in a few weeks?

I mean we are talkin about frekin GT5, the game which its $40 DEMO sold almost 5 million of copies. See PS3 sales skyrocket both in Japan/EU. I dont expect a massive peak in NA, but it will sell well.

My conclusion is someone in Gamermint has to be retarded, but why am I surprised?, probably is the same guy that asked KZ3 developers (at Eurogamer expo) if KZ3 was coming to the xbox.

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BrutallyBlunt4949d ago

Call of Duty is coming on the Playstation 3 so it's not like a exclusive shooter needs to fill the void. Gran Turismo 5 will surely sell extremely well which will exempt Halo Reach's popularity. Plus it's unknown how much of an impact Gran Turismo 5 will have on hardware sales. I expect a jum in Japan but not sure how dramatic hardware sales will jump in other regions because of it. Probably the same as Halo Reach.

So what's left isn't much, we have Fable 3 on the XBOX 360 and the Sly collection on the Playstation 3. I expect Fable 3 to sell at least 2 million while the Sly collection will struggle to sell 1 million. As for hardware spikes of those, i'm not expecting a huge impact.

Kinect is really the wild card here. It could really push the XBOX 360 during the holidays. I'm sure i will get a lot of disagrees over that one but game forums are often infiltrated with the more hardcore gamers and don't necessarily give any indication of how things sell.

gaffyh4949d ago

There will not be a hardware spike due to Fable 3 and very unlikely that Halo Reach even caused a massive sales spike in itself. The only thing that could cause a big sales spike for 360 is Kinect (if it is a hit), and the next banhammer wave which I'm 99% sure will happen 2 weeks after COD's release.

GT5 will cause a big sales spike for PS3 especially in Europe and Japan, but also possibly in the US.

BrutallyBlunt4949d ago

I'm not sure where all this optimism for Gran Turismo 5 stems from where some think hardware sales will jump dramatically yet those same people are often pessimistic about the impact of games like Halo Reach on the competing platform. Is this mainly bias we speak of?

The reason i think it will happen in Japan is because Japan has been slow to adopt the Playstation 3 and have held out on HD consoles. They obviously don't care about the XBOX 360 over there. As for other territories why is Gran Turismo 5 so much more of a hardware seller than Halo Reach? After all, we already had a taste of Gran Turismo on the Playstation 3 and it sold very well. So it's not like Halo is saturated on the XBOX 360 while Gran Turismo is a new IP.

I think it's fair to say some here are mainly biased, which is nothing new.

hamburgerhill4949d ago

You make some good points so no need to disagree. This coming holiday will be packed with surprises and probably a pretty close race in terms of overall software sold.

Biggest4949d ago

His points aren't true at all. We've had a console sales update from Japan just about every week. The PS3 trails handhelds in Japan. It is above the Wii and PS2. So it isn't true that Japan has been slow to adopt the PS3.
Gran Turismo is expected to shift many consoles because it is the first true iteration in the lifetime of the PS3. Halo: Reach is the third in the 360's lifetime. Diehard fans of each game, which are the people that pay $300+ just to play a specific game, usually buy the first version available. It isn't that Halo: Reach is thought of as a lesser game. Halo isn't new on the 360. Gran Turismo in full will be.

BrutallyBlunt4949d ago (Edited 4949d ago )

It took until April of 2008 for the Playstation 3 to sell 2 million units in Japan. I think that's safe to say it started off slow (by Nintendo and Sony standards). By comparison it took until April of 2007, a year prior, for the Wii to hit that milestone in Japan. The Playstation 2 was also a fast seller in Japan to put things even further into perspective.

The Playstation 3 is currently outselling the Wii and i imagine Japanese gamers are eagerly anticipating Gran Turismo 5, like the rest of the world, but i do expect a larger spike in Japan for hardware sales when it ships.

So if you still want to disagree that's fine. However it is clear many here suffer from bias syndrome. Some are even listing Move games while neglecting Kinect games. Dance Central and Your Shape could be big hits and also sell XBOX 360 hardware. Yet we see the same old thing here, optimism on one side and pessimism on the other. Hardly productive for any real debate.

My bubbles are full so carry on without me. I'm sure this debate will continue to disprove everything i have said.

gaffyh4949d ago (Edited 4949d ago )

@LevelHead - Of course that is all my opinion based on the trends we've been seeing for a while now. There have been 4 Halo games on 360, the only one that really saw a sales spike was Halo 3, since then it hasn't shown a massive spike (a little but not much), because everyone who wanted a 360 for Halo, already has one.

Fable is not that big of a game, Fable 2 was a disappointment, and did not live up to many many people's expectations (including myself). A lot of the people who bought Fable 2 have said that they will not buy Fable 3, so I wouldn't be surprised if we see a dip in sales from that franchise. As mentioned before, anyone that wanted a 360 for Fable, already has one, so it won't cause a massive spike.

GT5 is the first proper GT game for PS3, so it SHOULD cause a very big spike in sales. There are many people who are waiting for this game and did not take the plunge with Prologue simply because it has the word "Prologue" in it. Plus, GT is one of the only games that Sony actually advertises well. I've seen more advertisements for GT5 Prologue and GT PSP than I have for all other PlayStation exclusives combined.

This doesn't make your opinion invalid, just that most people don't expect those games to make much of an impact. But as you said, Kinect is the wildcard here, and is the biggest possible differentiator for MS. I can see casuals loving Dance Central, but will they buy Kinect for it or are they okay with the Wii? That's the question.

plenty a tool4949d ago

more people are need like you..

gaffyh, everyone knows which team you bat for already. where are you getting all this fable2 was a disappointment, and people who bought fabl2 wont get fable3 crap from??? let me guess, the idiotic commentators on n4g right?!

i'm sorry, but you are just another a nobody trying to downplay anything that is not sony. you dont what halo has caused or what fable,gt5 and cod will cause either. imo you are just talking shit!

i dont mean to pick on you, but you have nothing! and talk like you are an authority!

anyway, i already have reach, i have cod, fable, gt5, moh, hot pursuit and cod on pre-order...i personlly dont care who sells most, as the two most important 360 and ps3 sales were my own!

elmaton984949d ago

Are you buying the kinect shet or just talking bullshet cause I got a 360 as well and I'm not buying it ( maybe for my dog) n I'm telling you move us way better than kinect. Nobody wanna jump around like an idiot. ( come on who wanna pretend your hand's a gun phew phew phew haha) - Kevin buttler- ha

ThatsGaming4949d ago

The other wildcard is the 360 Dashboard update and the continued marketing of the new slim 360. A lot of hard core gamers stayed away from 360 because of reliability. Now, there is no reason for them to stay away with the slim.

Microsoft has this holiday in the bag. The only way PS3 stops this is if they drop the price hammer in the next 30 days. And that probably isn't happening.

bananlol4949d ago

I must disagrre with you ThatsGaming, its probably the casuals that are affraid of the rrod. The "hardcore" are those that are willing to endure the knowlede that their system may break down just to be able to play whatever they want. But i wont formally disagree with you because as you say the slim redesign and superior realiabilit will promises greatness for the 360. this comming from someone who hate the 360(hardware) but love the games on it.

Marquis_de_Sade4949d ago

"A lot of the people who bought Fable 2 have said that they will not buy Fable 3"

May I see a link to prove this? As to me it sounds like complete and utter nonsense.

vhero4949d ago

I think GT5 will impact sales more than Reach purely because anybody who wants reach already got a 360 for previous Halo game whereas nobody bought a PS3 for Prologue. Lets be fair there are people out there who will buy a console for GT5 as racing games are their number 1 type of game. They prob even bought a 360 as a stop gap till GT5 came out. (which MS knew they would and good on em for getting 2 forzas out before GT5)

gaffyh4948d ago

@plenty a tool/Marquis - The proof is myself, I was severely disappointed with Fable 2, it was nothing like what Molyneux said it would be, and if you frequent other gaming forums you'll see A LOT of people who have given up on Fable because of Molyneux's over-promises.

@Plenty a tool - EVERY post on a thread is an opinion, whoever takes it for fact is stupid. My points are made from experience and logic, it's a fact that Halo Wars and ODST made very little impact on 360 sales is it not? Then it's safe to say that this COULD be because people already own a 360 for Halo. We'll have to wait and see what Reach does, it's a fantastic game (currently playing on my 360), but I don't think it will be a huge system seller.

I'm glad that LevelHead is here, even if I don't agree with his opinion, and he doesn't agree with mine, at least he can make a comment without attacking other users. Bubbles up to you LevelHead for having a level of maturity that seems to be lacking from N4G these days.

Marquis_de_Sade4948d ago (Edited 4948d ago )

Vhero, me and several of my friends bought PS3's just for GT5 prologue, I wish people on this site wouldn't make such generalisations.

Gaffyh, the Fable franchise has a broad appeal, not just towards "core" gamers, but also those more casually inclined, many of these more casual gamers probably have no idea who Peter Molyneux his, let alone feel let down by his constant over promising and under delivering, this is why I disagree with your previous comment.

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JUDALATION4949d ago

What the HELL is this guy smoking??? There are many games coming this Holiday season for the PS3 and while they are not AAA games … they are more Family friendly and cheaper than the competion. The Ps3 clearly has the edge in the upcoming games this Holiday season. Gt5 is going to sell at least a MILLION by the end of the year, The Shoot is a game that offers alot replayability and Family friendly, THE Fight Lights out is Gritty and a totaly unique experience…Time crysis is A great value for the features on the disk, and PSN has 2 great releases that will spread just by word of mouth…Kung FU LIVE will be the best Moctionless game this year… and Dead Naction will be the first multiplayer horrer scroller on the ps3… Combine that with the fact that every person with a pulse will be running to black opps as their FPS OF CHOICE… the Ps3 will have an edge in those looking for somthing else… Halo will be competing with black opps this holiday but these games are unique.

ion6664949d ago

This story should be the opposite. Has any one seen xboxs uncaged fighters it's a total dissapointment .the screen tells you how to throw your kicks and punches,... Wak. The fight , you can throw any thing you want .who wins you decide

mgsfan4949d ago

doesn't that agency come out soon

INC NATE21314949d ago

Can I just say something please...for all you guys who say halo reach doesnt have a chance, you guys do know that week 1 total sales are 5.32 million right. and you do know that mw2 first week sales were 4.89 million right? and black ops pre order sales for 360 at least, are only at 1.2 million, while reach had a total of 1.9 million. Im not that big of a fan on halo, i still dont own reach so that just proves it, but reach will decimate all sorry.

WiiPS3beats3604949d ago

In america, America doesn't = world, haven't u heard? FIFA 11 with 1.2 mill sales topped reach in Europe, and in japan it didn't even hit the charts shows u how mostly only us gamers like halo, black ops will top halo on ps3 and 360, who knows about 360 only, gt5 is racing more universal but it's only on ps3 time will tell how big gt5 really is considering gt5p sold over 3mil with a like half the ps3s, I'm a fan of halo so dnt bs me I got halo3 day 1 gt5p no so I'm no fanboy I will be getting gt5 tho

CimmerianDrake4948d ago

In america, first you get da Xbox, den you get da Halo, den you get da women.

SeanScythe4949d ago

WTH? I've got to many games to play already, Thanksgiving to Christmas are always Multiplat months. We have MOH, COD:BO, we just had DR2. Not to forget BF:BC2 Vietnam DLC and RDR Undead Nightmare DLC coming. Then GT5 is coming and Dead Nation. LBP2 would have been over shadowed and would have gotten the respect it deserves. We have way to much and it's best to let these massive AAA games fight then let LBP and KZ3 come out after the new year.

Jaces4949d ago

CoD: black ops
MOH
GT5
Assassins Creed Brotherhood

There are far more better games than Halo Reach already on the way, Fable III really has no chance since the last was a disaster, specially coming up against CoD, MOH, and GT5 (we all know GT5 will be in the millions sold, don't try to deny it, it's been proven for each GT game).

Kinect....I think will be lost in the hype of CoD tbh.

moparful994949d ago

It amazes me how people think that gt5 is going to flop because it doesnt have 2 trillion pre-orders here in the us... But as always ps3 games have managed to sell 2-4 million copies without tons of pre-orders.. gt5 dominates europe and japan, here it sells very well so combined you have a huge title that is guaranteed to sell alot...

moparful994949d ago (Edited 4949d ago )

Polyphony digitals internal report..

Note: These numbers represent millions. Dont be confused 1,000 k = 1million

Gran Turismo Series Software Title List
Worldwide Title Units (k)
Gran Turismo 10,850
Gran Turismo 2 9,370
Gran Turismo 3 A-spec 14,890
Gran Turismo Concept Series 1,560
Gran Turismo 4 “Prologue” 1,400
Gran Turismo 4 11,060
Gran Turismo 5 “Prologue” 4,950
Gran Turismo PSP 1,960
Total 56,040

lelo2play4949d ago (Edited 4949d ago )

I have nothing against Gran Turismo, but the question is ... how many of those are with bundles?

Take for example Gran Turismo PSP. I seriously doubt it sold almost 2 million in normal retail. I would say that more then 1.5 million of those "sales" come from PSP bundles.

nunley334949d ago

GT5 will outsell Halo and COD this christmas. It had outsold Halo i know everytime and this year won't be any different. There will be lots buying the PS3 just for GT5 AND MILLIONS already have. I like cod and i may get it just because i have friends who will get it but i will get medal of honor and cod as an afterthought.

GMWPS34949d ago

I would believe most of the people who bought GT5 prologue are very aware of GT5 coming out and are itching to buy it. Since 4,950,000 bought prologue, how many (worldwide, i.e. USA plus all the other countries!) do you think will buy GT5 within November? Hint. It's going to be more than 1 million!

Marquis_de_Sade4948d ago

Samusfan, Halo 3 has sold over 10 million copies on a far smaller install base than when GT5 has done similar.

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ReservoirDog3164949d ago

Whatever. I only need one exclusive this holiday season. Sly Cooper Collection.

gm9994949d ago (Edited 4949d ago )

lun mera ps3 dont lack exclusive gt5 = 4 ps3 exclusives and 6 xbox 360 exclusives

avengers19784949d ago

While PS3 may not have alot of exclusives this holiday, they do have Move and a ton of content for that with quite a few exclusives for that coming out soon. The Shoot, Time Crisis, and Lights out are all coming out shortly.
GT5 will be huge-- The EU love them some GT, and picking up ground there will be big for Sony.
There are tons of games coming out exclusively for sony from now until 6 to 9 mos from now(KZ3, Infamous 2, Resistance 3, Twisted Metal, LBP2, and Last Guardian) That I think they will be okay.

360 has Reach and Fabel 3, Plus Kinect and whatever that brings so I think that they will be okay for the holiday season as well.
I'd be conserned for what after the holiday has if I were a 360 owner. Gears 3 is all that seems to be coming out, and from what I've already heard is that it was pushed back several months.

TheLastGuardian4949d ago

Gran Turismo 5 and The Sly Collection are both must buys imo.

TROLL EATER4949d ago (Edited 4949d ago )

halo reach and cod will own this fall. facts

solar4949d ago

oh come on. this year is the year of the PS3. like, 2008, and 2009, and this 2010 is. well thats what im always told. the PS3 has great games, but it still doesnt beat out the 360 in NA. the major gaming market for consoles.

aka, the easiest market to make money, sell lame DLC, sell shovelware, and brain wash idiotic consumers. Sony, MS and Nintendo will have a field day on idiotic console consumers again this holiday season. no different then any other year. and the consumers that actually care about games will be screwed again. hello mainstream!!!

kwicksandz4949d ago

"CoD doesn't sell consoles. Exclusive content does. Nobody will buy a PS3 over 360 because of CoD."

this statement is wrong. tonnes of people pick up a 360/ps3 cause they heard all their friends where playing mw2, i expect the same of Black ops

Rainstorm814949d ago

SO by the logic of this article.....2011 is just a PS3 land slide.... huh??? With at least 1 exclusive game releasing nearly every month??

You guys on here really underestimate GT5 i see...... Prologue is reaching 5 mil and it isnt even a real GT release

DORMIN4949d ago

Exactly.

Some people are REALLY underestimating the GT series. I know 4 people personally getting PS3s for that game come winter. I don't know them to be gamers, they are more car enthusiasts.

Scary694949d ago

All I have to say is DAMN some of you mofo's in here are delusional..LMAO

solar4948d ago

delusional about what?

punkpop1014948d ago

PS3 fanboys rage at full force.Look at the disagrees hahaha.

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coolbeans4949d ago (Edited 4949d ago )

Other than holidays, sounds true...I guess. lol let's just ignore the months after the holidays though; *rolls eyes* what kind of gaming site is this? I've never seen the problem with one blockbuster exclusive during the holiday, especially if one's hyped for it AND it promises to offer a great variety of content.

InTheKnow4949d ago (Edited 4949d ago )

Nobody has been sitting around waiting 7 years for GT 5 to release. I doubt that game will move many consoles...if any. If you wanted a PS3, you would of bought one already a long time ago. GT 5 is a game from yesteryear and while sales will be ok, it'll never sell like it did in the PS2 100 million console gen.

Third party is critical to any systems success, something M$ has learned the hard way from last gen when they lost nearly 4 BILLION dollars trying to go it alone with exclusives. Sony tried that and look where that got them this gen??? COD will be the highest selling console game this year and possibly this gen.

M$ has positioned themselves perfectly with there franchise player, Halo, selling incredibly well and several high quality shooters coming out for the heavy hardcore shooter demographic on XBL. MW2 sold 3 million more games on 360 Vs PS3 and the dlc was even more one sided. M$ of course has noticed and signed a multi-year contract with Activision for timed exclusive dlc map packs...something the hardcore shooter gamer wants.

2011 has been a great year to own both systems as the games are getting better and better but M$ had the best line up by far and are finishing with a bang with Halo reach, Fable 3, Windows 7 phone, and Kinect to smash through the sales barrier. Many expect M$ to jump ahead of Sony by 10++ million when the dust clears over these next couple months.

SeanScythe4949d ago

Excuse me bartender can I have what he's having it seems to put you in lala land.

SeanScythe4949d ago

BTW there was only one true Spartan winner in 2010 and it wasn't a sissy in rainbow color armor.

HDgamer4949d ago

I see you're already not in the know again. Third Party devs aren't the key, first party devs are.

DarkEdson4949d ago

first off let me just say that the whole reason i got a ps3 was gt5, i'm that guy that has been waiting for this game to come out for years. i know it sounds like i'm a loser or something, but you need to understand how much the gran turismo brand is loved by the community. contrary to your belief i think gt5 will put the ps3 ahead of the 360 this holiday and i know alot of people who don't play video games but love gran turismo and will be buying a ps3 to use for this game alone. unlike shooters gt5 will have a much broader appeal, as everyone can identify with driving a car. hell you can even use gt5 as a preliminary drives ed for your kids to teach them how to drive. by the way everyone who wanted Halo, Fable, Gow and pretty much any 360 game already have a 360. so that leaves kinect to be the sole way for the 360 to move hardware and to be honest after everything i've seen about it makes me believe that it will be a bigger failure then the sega cd.

coolbeans4949d ago

Have to disagree with you there considering how many more titles they're able to churn up. Time and time again they've been able to offer more innovation this gen.

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Seijoru4949d ago

Are you fucking kidding me? They have Reach we have GT5 simple as that. We started with Heavy Rain and GOW3 vs Alan Wake. The rest were fairly solid exclusives like MAG and Modnation Racers. It had plenty of variety.

cyborg4949d ago (Edited 4949d ago )

is def a blockbuster, however, A SOCOM 4 or a LBP 2 would have ensured Sony dominates this Holiday.

Reach has already sold millions and two exclusives would have def helped cover grounds faster.

Don't forget Fable 3 is due for release too.

BrutallyBlunt4949d ago

"it doesnt benefit ps3 but it does hurt 360 sales"

To what extent though? Gears of War sold millions yet it came to the PC. Bioshock sold well even though it had a simultaneous PC release. It sold poorly by comparison on the Playstation 3 which again shows the impact of console exclusives and timed exclusives. Fable 3 will be no different and can be used in a debate to what the Playstation 3 will have this holiday season.

Fable 3 will sell in the millions, regardless of it being on the PC. Compare previous Fable games to Playstation 3 exclusive game sales and it's easy to see how they compare to the impact of the overall exclusive library, (true exclusives to consoles exclusives) library.

dp2774074949d ago

@ levelhead look i wont disagree with most of what you say because there is truth in it, but im saying that a pc version of fable will hurt 360's sales to some degree, and Fable 3 might sell as well as some ps3 exclusive games but honestly how often does an actual 360 exclusive game come out compared to a ps3 exclusive game.and i thought fable came out in december of this year, is it next.

jetlian4949d ago

fable 3 will be out oct 26 so 2-3 weeks and pc sales will be a 1/6 of the 360. pc isn't a big market anymore outside mmo

plb4949d ago

Fable 3 is also on PC afaik

cyborg4949d ago

But it won't be releasing this year i think. No release dates yet

kissmeimgreek4949d ago

yah but its not coming out on pc till next year. and its still a GFWL exclusive.

lowcarb4949d ago

And then in that case you might as well add ME2, Conviction, and xbla summer titles.

BrutallyBlunt4949d ago

So how does Fable 3 being on the PC benefit Sony or the Playstation 3 exactly? I'm pretty sure we have Gran Turismo on the PSP and Little Big Planet yet sales on that platform don't really mean much on the XBOX 360 does it? Sure some Playdstation 3 owners may buy Fable 3 on the PC instead of supporting the XBOX 360 but numbers indicate the impact of console exclusives can and do suggest they add value to that platform. I'd say sales of the upcoming Call of Duty will support that notion.

dp2774074949d ago

it doesnt benefit ps3 but it does hurt 360 sales

punkpop1014948d ago

Why the hell did you get disagrees?N4G makes my day.

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HSx94949d ago (Edited 4949d ago )

lets be honest here, the children own holidays, everyone buys things for kids on Christmas, you honestly think a kid wants to play Gran Turismo?
Maybe for us teenagers and adults, we might enjoy it, but a 12 year old and below may not have a fun experience, especially those people who dont have steering wheels, because I thought GT was kinda boring, but when I bought a wheel, the experience changed and it was a lot more funner.

Biggest4949d ago

"Sorry, honey. I know you wanted those $1500 earrings for Christmas, but it's a holiday for the kids. I won't be buying you anything."

Is that how it goes? Or do people buy people junk for Christmas, regardless of age? And yes, kids do enjoy Gran Turismo. I was a kid when the original was released. I played that game almost as much as FFVII.

dp2774074949d ago (Edited 4949d ago )

i was 11 or 12 when gran turismo came out and i played it all the time.I even played the orignal need for speed when i was like 10...remember when you would get pulled over and it would cut to those cheesy cutscenes of the cop coming up to your window and saying some silly stuff.

evrfighter4949d ago

I'd buy my kids something awesome before I decided to drop $1500 on earrings.

sooooo

what exactly are talking about biggest

mrcash4949d ago

splintercell, and Mass effect 2.

TheLastGuardian4949d ago

There are plenty of multiplatform games coming out this holiday but i think all consoles have a lack of exclusives for Q4 2010. The PS3 has GT5, Move and The Sly Collection, 360 has Fable 3 and Kinect and The Wii has Kirby's epic yarn, Donkey Kong Country Returns and Epic Mickey. Overall the PS3 dominated 2010 in terms of exclusives just like they have every year since 2008.

ReBurn4949d ago

"They" and "we"

People need to let that choosing sides junk go and play some games.

visualb4949d ago

+ this article doesn't make sense from a business stand point.

GT5 =/

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goosepoose4949d ago (Edited 4949d ago )

thats true. sony and their team of decision making people cant expect me to play gt5 until lbp comes out. i cant believe its one exclusive to go before the year ends. i always feel ripped off when i buy multiplatform game, oh well. thats how it is.

@dp277407 you forgot /s. anyway, i dont play fable because not because its multiplatform because its exclusive to the 360. COD, you said we. and i SAID ME. i will never buy a cod game because only when person needs to own it. and he is buying it. other titles, such as ol vanky and whipboy. well, i dont know guys ......(blushes), i am not feeling so 100% about those games. i guess (blushing again with one leg up), i might purchase one or 2. back to my point, one exclusive is not enough, esp since a certain exclusive was delayed (which i really thought was going to come out in november).

and trust me, there is not a soul on this planet that completed any gt game 100% without mods. 24 hour endurance races, without saves (ps1 and ps2 days). do that shit without a mod and you will be bored out of your mind.

dp2774074949d ago

I know right thats retarded...I mean gt5 has only a handful of cars in it(if your a titan) and that has to last us all the way till january because we dont play those multiplatform games like fable and cod.

stuna14949d ago

Speaking from a once unbelievers point of view, I never realised the impact GT would have on me, until I actually tried it! It kind of hard to explain really. Maybe it was the idea of actually getting a chance to sample the huge variety of different automobiles that I knew I had no chance in owning in a million years or, even the graphical fidelity that closely mirrors their real life counterparts. In my book gt is really a work of art! It might not get everything perfectly right 100% of the time, but what I will say it's perfect by human standards. That is how a lot of fans view GT in the own eyes, and ultimately that is why it will sell.

dp2774074949d ago (Edited 4949d ago )

how is fable exclusive to the 360 when you can get it on pc too...and i said we meaning all the people that will buy cod and fable sorry if for a minute you thought you had a friend, didnt mean to excite you.@ below seriously are you an idiot why pay more for a version thats not as good looking and doesnt run as good. You discredit the pc and say people dont have one good enough to play games on or people dont use them to game when your upset that 360 games can be played on the pc and there cheaper and better on the pc so you try to say well the pc doesnt count.

mrcash4949d ago

lol not this again, the discussion is about ps3 and xbox, and between those 2 consoles the game is exclusive. It's soo stupid, to hear people talk about I can buy it for pc, I'm not saying you are, but console gamers rarely buy pc games if they can get them in console.

Biggest4949d ago

Why would a PS3 owner buy a 360 and $60 game if they have a PC already?

SeanScythe4949d ago

Oh and it's cheaper on pc anyway.

Moonboots4949d ago

Fable 3 on PC has no release date and looks like it won't be hitting until next year.

I'm not waiting till next year to play a game like Fable 3. I will get it on my 360 and enjoy it this holiday. I don't think the differences are going to be anything to make a fuss over. Getting it cheaper is a nice incentive to PC only games who have to wait.

SaberEdge4949d ago

Hey, I understand that some people have gaming PCs and will prefer to wait to get Fable 3 on that platform, but don't act like everyone has a gaming PC.

I would love to get into PC gaming, but I don't have the money to spend and I already have several consoles to support. Just on the PS3 and 360 it is hard for me to keep up with all the games I want to play. My computer is a crappy old laptop that couldn't begin to play any modern game.

For people like me, Fable 3's "console exclusivity" is as real as any exclusivity. That is, if I want to get Fable 3 I have to get it on the 360.

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FrigidDARKNESS4949d ago

i only see GT5 selling at least 800k thru the holidays. There aren't very many car driving gamer finatics anymore...or the genre is getting bored and prefer the the fast action titles in shooters. I t's going to be very interesting to see how GT5 performs when COD BO drops.

Stealth20k4949d ago

you do realize that gt 5 prologue......a demo

sold 5 million

Motorola4949d ago (Edited 4949d ago )

I bought GT5 prologue for 10 bucks. that sold me on the FULL gt5.. i think that was their intention cuz if so..it worked and more than half of those 5 million will get GT5. I dont celebrate christmas so december is just new years for me.

FrigidDARKNESS4949d ago (Edited 4949d ago )

in its life time not in a month. My statement is that it won't get the sales that every one think it should during the holidays. It will get over 5 million in sales during its lifespan.

Biggest4949d ago

You guys fell for that troll? He said there aren't many car driving gamer fanatics anymore. Doesn't get much more stupid than that!

despair4949d ago

@FrigidDARKNESS

The "car driving gamer fanatics" are still there and strong as ever its just that they did not have a proper game for so long. Now GT5 is a huge system seller, I know quite a few people who bought a PS3 for Gran Turismo 5 but got GT5 prologue instead, now even more will buy for the real full game.

ukilnme4949d ago

Everyboby that wants GT5 already has a PS3. Sounds familiar doesn't it? I am sure that only applies to one console. That aside, I have no doubt that GT5 will sell millions of copies quickly but I don't think it will move too many consoles. Just my opinion though and if it gets some peoples panties in a bunch...oh well.

despair4949d ago

@ukilnme

actually it wont work for GT5 as well as Halo(I assume that's what you're referring too) Halo had 2 full games on the platform(3 including halo wars) before Reach came out so yea most Halo fans would already own the console, but GT5 prologue was the only GT game to be released on PS3 and it was not a full game. Sure many person bought PS3s for it but many would also be waiting for GT5 proper or sold their systems after prologue, it was some time ago.

I'm just saying GT5 is a console seller and Halo is also but most bought it for Halo 3 and still owned it for Reach.

redDevil874949d ago

"i only see GT5 selling at least 800k"

Well then don't look at GT5 sales because your eyeballs will explode!

FrigidDARKNESS4949d ago

im saying it will sell 800k for the holidays not in the millions as everyone expects.

Heisenberg4949d ago

So you think GT5 will sell millions and do very well, but for some reason you believe over the Xmas holidays, when game sales are as high as ever, for obvious reasons, is when GT5 will sell the least? That's ridiculous. Why would sales start out low, at a time when games sell like crazy, and then after the game's been out for a while and xmas is over, the sales inexplicably spike and continue selling millions? That is illogical to say the least.

GT5 is one of the most anticipated games of this gen, why would the millions of people chomping at the bit to get their hands on it for years, now decide to wait and pick it up a month or two down the road after it came out? Especially around the holidays when everyone will either be buying it as a gift, or buying it with their loads of xmas money and the post xmas sales on.

mrcash4949d ago

GT5 will sell extremely well, it should sell a good 4-5 million in its first month world wide and Cod bo isn't competing against it.

mrcash4949d ago

Most people have enough money to buy more than one game in three months.

Babypuncher4949d ago

"There aren't very many car driving gamer finatics anymore...or the genre is getting bored and prefer the the fast action titles in shooters"

i sure am glad you're around to let me know that i shouldn't be a "car driving gamer finatic" anymore. guess i better go preorder black ops so that i will be entertained for 45 minutes in early november

heyheyhey4949d ago

800k? are you serious?

i think people seriously underestimate GT here, it's been away for so long people have forgotten how colossal a franchise it is

this is one of those stalwart Sony games millions of people buy Playstations for.. this is Sony's big one

maxcer4949d ago

he's right, its all about FPS these days. trust me black ops will outsell GT5 easily.

coolbeans4949d ago

This kind of talk makes you sound soooo foolish. Is basically what Mass Effect 2 got during JANUARY is what the 5th main iteration into one of the most popular racing series will get (sales-wise)? Read this post back to me and then tell me you didn't just laugh at what you said.

Eu4949d ago

I would really be surprised if those 800k you said werent sold in the first 5 DAYS (whole world)....and Im being quite the pessimist.

visualb4949d ago

madness...just unrealistic madness

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Sony Patents To Prevent You From In-Game Harassment By Reading Your Emotions

A new patent recently published by Sony wants to gather biometric data of gamers to track whether one is being harassed using AI tools.

Profchaos2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I hope this is one of those patents that never comes to fruition.

I already dislike the fact you can pay a significant amount for a online service buy associated games and content on said service and get banned from that service over potentially a misunderstanding the bans are already handed out for flimsy reasons

I'd rather see money invested in a ban that simply removes the offensive players ability to communicate with unknown players allow them to continue party chats with friends but not with Joe blow on cod.

exputers2d ago

Agreed. Blizzard recently banned a college Overwatch 2 player who's dependent for saying "shit." Pretty harsh.

Profchaos2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

How rediculas really. You can't say a word that's allowed in most PG films and prime time TV but the game is based around killing the enemy team using guns, explosives etc.

It's just backwards.

just_looken2d ago

What your talking about is called block list

In 2006 a spaceship dropped of the playstation 3/xbox 360 i say that that generation was the last great gen with game functions/tech that has yet to comeback

Anyhow the playstation 3 if you block listed a id they could not talk to you in chatroom with either text or voice. But that was pre mind fucked 2018 when people were more human than sheep.

But hey gta 6 is coming out billion dollar budget without a single player custom character creator and without singeplayer coop off/online something saints row 1-3 had on the xbox 360.

z2g2d ago

Take my social security and bank account numbers too! Here’s a picture of my wife and our address.

phoenixwing2d ago

Cmon where's the pictures of your children. Don't hold out on them.

H92d ago

At this rate I feel Sony will eventually sell a room to play games in it where they can monitor your every breath

jambola2d ago

I genuinely get a bit worried sometimes when a friend says something that could be offensive In a party
Because I have no trouble believing some bans would happen when in a private party for saying something wrong

SegaSaturn6692d ago

I want them to censor erotic content by measuring my groin temperature so i dont get too distracted while playing black ops 2.

Popsicle2d ago

Terrible idea. Not only do I not consent to providing my biometric data, the potential for mishandling biometric data is almost a certainty. Positive stress and negative stress can produce similar changes in biometrics. Interpreting the precise emotion a person is feeling is not only invasive but could be easily misconstrued. I hope this never comes to fruition.

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Sony Could Increase Your Game's Difficulty If It Sees You Complain About It

Sony has recently published a new patent that wants to dynamically handle the games' difficulty and gameplay based on the player's emotions.

jznrpg3d ago

This is something I might use. Sometimes I play some good games but they don’t have difficulty option and are a little too easy.

Profchaos3d ago

Souls games will be like that players struggling make it harder

PassNextquestion3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

I think if used correctly it could work well

jambola3d ago

cool idea
cool idea for horror games especially
the way it's explained here sounds like it could never be forced hopefully, so that's ok with me

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Sony Taps Bungie's Head of Revenue to Lead Live-Service Games

Sony has recruited Bungie's head of revenue Jaremy Rich to head up its live-service gaming division, Rich has announced on social media.

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ChasterMies23d ago

Please do not put Destiny’s monetization into Sony’s first party games. The monetization is what’s driving players away from Destiny.

just_looken23d ago

The new temp boss is the sony cfo bean counter so i can see this being a thing get every penny.

Cacabunga23d ago

PlayStation officially losing it.. fans will never support gaas games

just_looken23d ago

@car

The new boss did a interview in japan he wants to tap into the mobile market like nintendio so he give 0 fucks about gamers/fans

https://www.pushsquare.com/...

Redemption-6423d ago

@Cacabunga
You only speak for you and those who think like you, but most fans will support what they want. Playstation and PC fans are literally supporting Helldivers 2 and that is a gaas. Maybe you wouldn't, but many more would if they like it.

Huey_My_D_Long23d ago

@Redemption-64
Look, Im not making any judgement calls about this guy, but I will say that Helldivers 2 GaaS model is unique to Helldivers, and legit the only other game I can think of thats similiar was the Avengers game except HD2 pass is still better.
The fact that you can earn in game currency in a way that doesnt make you feel like you have to grind forever, as well you being able work on that pass that you bought...on your own time without a time limit...that right there is fucking huge to me, and I can't name any game other than avengers that avoided trapping players with FOMO logic...I think GaaS on HD2 shouldn't be compared to the rest of the industry...it should be copied.

Einhander197223d ago

Cacabunga

Helldivers 2...

Redemption-64

In Europe it's a 60 40 split favoring PC.
In the US its a 60 40 split favoring PS5.

So PlayStation owners supported the game just fine, it's not getting carried by PC or anything like that.

FinalFantasyFanatic23d ago

@just_looken,
I'm perfectly fine with the way Nintendo entered the mobile market, I never touched their mobile games, meanwhile, the console/handheld stayed the way it is. As for being a bean counter, he's probably going to reel in these massive budgets that Sony's studios have had lately, I haven't played Spiderman 2, but I cannot see how they almost tripled the budget for that game.

@Redemption-64,
That's an exception to the rule, I'm expecting a lot of these GAAS games from Sony to fail, to be fair, they only need a few to succeed, but I would have preferred that they put more of their resources into other types of games.

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DivineHand12523d ago

True their monetization is driving players away and at the same time, their decision to chop out content and convoluted systems is keeping new players away from the game.

Joe91323d ago

I don't think that will happen based on how things worked out at Naughty Dog now that we know what we do, seems they had the option to fully commit to live service games or stay making single player experences so they gave up on their live service game. We are not sure how things came about with Bend making a live service game but I hope that was not a forced situation. Sony doesnt seem like they are forcing studios to switch up but we will see, Sony's bread and butter is single player games it is how they dominated the console market.

Obscure_Observer23d ago

Yeah, I though Sony learned something from all their failures in the LS segment under Bungie´s disastrous leadership and supervision which led to games been cancelled, studios closed and all the people laid off.

Looks like Bungie still plays a major role in Sony´s LS initiative and Sony is not backtracking on their GaaS plans.

S2Killinit23d ago (Edited 23d ago )

Are we forgetting that Destiny is also a highly successful franchise? I feel like that definitely deserves mention here.

Besides, there is no reason why a person cant learn from past experiences.

Joe91322d ago

I agree, people act as if Destiny flopped when it came out lol it took 9 to 10 years for the numbers to fall yet people are still playing it add the success of Helldivers 2 no wonder Sony is going forward down this path.

S2Killinit22d ago

Personally, I see no problem with Sony also having service games as long as they make good ones, and more importantly they deliver the AAA story driven games that they are known for. So yeah, I agree 100% with you.

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Christopher23d ago

I mean, this person made some pretty bad decisions at Bungie. I hope they've learned from them because I definitely don't see those type of ideas as good for PlaySation in general.

CrimsonWing6922d ago (Edited 22d ago )

Honestly, what’s to learn from? How to make people happily continuously dump money into a single game over its life-time? Buy season passes continuously for several years with a smile on our faces?

GaaS is a design decision that is everything wrong with this industry. The fact that Helldivers 2 did so well and people defend the monetization because it was $40 and is a fun game, scares the sh*t out of me to see that the door is open and all shift will probably be to replicate that in future games. We already know the ROI for traditional game dev cost isn’t doing it for them.

I thought with Jimbo leaving we’d see a change for the better… I’m not so sure now.

S2Killinit22d ago

Service games are being offered by everyone. Sony cannot afford to only create single player AAA games. No one can. They already said they will be doing both.

Abnor_Mal23d ago (Edited 23d ago )

Ps5 gamers in 2023 seemed to play more live service types of games, so regardless to how people feel about them, numbers don’t lie and Sony is going where the money is. I mean look at the excitement around Helldivers2, people are showing that they want live service games.

Christopher23d ago

They play long-time existing live service games like CoD, Fortnite, Apex Legends, Destiny 2, and the like. Mass majority of new live service games are considered failures and aren't moving gamers away from older games.

just_looken23d ago

Yep the huge issue with live service is they need paid players along with a reason to play them.

You forgot mobile market that also taps into that player base as well as the eve online style games there is only a certain amount of krakens/whales blind supporters compared to the amount of live service games we have its not sustainable math wise.

700 restaurants making food for every seat for 1000-3000 eaters just does not work out

Einhander197223d ago (Edited 23d ago )

Christopher

I am not a big live service fan and literally own zero of the games you listed, but that is not true, unless you call games that aren't the top games to be failures.

There are tons of live service games that are profitable.

Games don't have to be the biggest game ever they just need to make more than they cost.

I challenge you to show professionally prepared data that shows that more live service games fail than make enough to keep going.

Because all the data that I have seen shows that live service is less of a gamble than making a big AAA budget game which needs to survive off retail sales.

FinalFantasyFanatic23d ago

I sometimes wonder if we're at saturation point, where it's hard for a new game to join those ranks unless it's particularly exceptional, people only have so much time and money to devote to these types of games.

romulus2323d ago

Correction, they have no issue playing good live service games

shinoff218323d ago

Lol it's not even a quarter of the ps5s sold. Helldivers may have been a hit but let's not say most are enjoying it because truth is most(the real most ) don't care about it.

S2Killinit22d ago (Edited 22d ago )

I play what is fun. If a live service game is good I’ll play it as long as its not a money scheme which Helldivers is not.

And Im a single player gamer.

mastershredder23d ago

How do you kill a franchise that already been killed?
Destiny’s grind, cash-in-on-playbass-cha-Ching, and pop-culture-insertion mainstream-me-too bs totally killed any rep Bungie had. Sony/Bungie, if you are doing this to ward-off players, it’s already working.

crazyCoconuts23d ago

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