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Google's 'Don't Be Evil' Mantra is 'Bullshit,' Adobe Is Lazy: Apple's Steve Jobs

After a big public announcement of the sort Apple had this week for the iPad CEO Steve Jobs often takes time in the day or two afterwards to have a Town Hall at One Infinite Loop, making himself available for questions from employees bold enough to stand up and take one right between the eyes.

On Google: We did not enter the search business, Jobs said. They entered the phone business. Make no mistake they want to kill the iPhone. We won't let them, he says. Someone else asks something on a different topic, but there's no getting Jobs off this rant. I want to go back to that other question first and say one more thing, he says. This don't be evil mantra: "It's bullshit." Audience roars.

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rawrockkillz2849d ago

Adobe lazy? Hahaha. You sir are a silly person.

toaster2849d ago

There's a reason Apple won't use Adobe: because it is crap. There are alternatives like HTML5. Steve Jobs did the world a favor by not putting Adobe flash on the iPad.

Flash is too slow. Anything that uses flash you will see long load times. Some websites use Flash extensively and you'll notice it takes a long ass time to load. Most of the time it's an ad anyways.

Foxgod2849d ago (Edited 2849d ago )

Ofcourse flash loads slower then regular websites, thats because it makes uses of heavy elements that fill a webpage with loads of eyecandy.

And html5 is not an alternative to Flash, Flash i used on top of HTML5, One of the more used alternatives to flash is Microsofts Silverlight.

HTML5 just aims to use less plugins, i doubt it will go entirely without.

rroded2849d ago

looks like u got jobs scared

dirthurts2849d ago

Does apple even use HTML5 yet?

sikbeta2849d ago

@toaster

Well, obviously Flash $ucks Hard, don't tell me that when Ubuntu don't have a Proper Flash Plug-in and make a Dual-Core run at 100% like if I'm converting an HD Video lol, but everything else that Adobe is not BAD, actually IMO is GOOD

toaster2849d ago (Edited 2849d ago )

lol It's sad that FarmVille completely maxes out a dual core when most heavy graphics games don't. Flash is good in small quantities but when webpages are overloaded with Flash or primarily use Flash then it could be a big pain. Flash is like a monster. If you give it 2 cores it'll eat up both. If you give it 4 it will still use all of them completely.

To be honest, Flash is pretty cool when used correctly. But most of the time it isn't.

@ sikbeta
I think the only Linux browser that supports Adobe Flash is SeaMonkey.. lol. That's sad.

baum2849d ago

As soon as there is a phone that gets all the functionality of an iphone includding apps and is an open system (probably google's) I'm dumping my iphone. Apple is a disgrace to tech, putting style over substance in their overpriced products. Google is the future, not Apple or Microsoft.

JsonHenry2849d ago

I did not know that Flash was so hard on CPUs, especially not since it can know be hardware accelerated by your GPU if you have the latest FLASH installed.

But then again, I don't really care one way or the other. Just video. And there will always be a video player available and I don't care which one it is.

However, on topic, Steve Jobs is right. Google is the same as any other company with a bottom line and they are out for themselves and shareholders only.

Nihilism2849d ago

You do realise that flash is now accelerated by GPUs whereas it used to be a cpu only app. Nvidia is paving the way...

PopEmUp2849d ago

I hate to say this, but flash is the reason why such application like google chrome get crash when running it

sikbeta2849d ago

@toaster

lol making a post from FOXKEH FIREFOX 3.0.17, with FLASHBLOCK active

FOXKEH is your Friend:

http://jceb.linuxmerida.org...

Christopher2849d ago (Edited 2849d ago )

It's kind of obvious why Flash isn't on iPad/iTouch/iPhone -- they want flash games to be converted to apps rather than accessible for free via a browser or even a separate flash viewer app. Now, there are issues with certain Flash applications could cause a browser crash, but I could say the exact same thing about iPhone apps.

HTML5 is not a replacement for Flash, so his statement as such is just ridiculous.

His statement towards Google is just way overblown, he's already acting like a General on the battlefield: "Google can't take our freedom from us! We will free those they have been abused by them!"

Major_Tom2849d ago (Edited 2849d ago )

Wow you guys are really naive or just inherently ignorant the reason for all this flash bruha is licensing fees for flash and that you wouldn't need to pay for apps or use the apps at all if you could just use them for free online using the browser.

It's essentially selling a jailbroken itouch or iphone and that's countering their own business model.

Serious LOL's at all the people who think it has anything to do with battery life lol.

HTML5 is still a long way off, and half of the internet is flash so you think magic will occur in the empty space between html and html5. lol, whatever I'm aware this is N4G and logical discussion is usually taking place on the forums but now even the forums are getting bad.

Even with HTML5 do you think it would honestly change with another proprietary media format? Unlikely, if apple can't control the payroll behind the moneymaker then like flash there is no reason to support it.

Apple clearly sees dollar signs out the ass so it's no brainer that they would slander a company that's doing far better than themselves in terms of being on the forefront of technologies and being one of the most well known and loved companies of the last decade and apple cannot definitely say the same.

@toaster um.. have you used Linux, Adobe flash might stutter or not work well 100% but there are alternatives that you can use from either the repositories or one found in the linux store and/or internet.

IdleLeeSiuLung2849d ago

I like Google products and even considering a Nexus One with Android. Yup, even considering dropping $500+ on it for an unlocked one since I'm on ATT.

I personally hate Apple due to the elitist and trendy attitude, but respect them for their products quality and finish. With that said, I'm even more concerned about Google. They have shown time and time again, they don't respect users privacy and they are good at search! What a dangerous combination.

Even worse, and perhaps the most serious issue. Google isn't seen as evil in the public eye and they continually try to do stuff that gives them an unfair advantage that is masqueraded as for the benefit of the people. They basically have people's blessing to do this stuff.

jjohan352849d ago

My slow ass netbook can run flash, so I don't know why Apple is crying so hard about it.

Steve shouldn't diss Adobe like that. Without some of Adobe's products (particularly Photoshop, Lightroom, and other graphical powerhouses), Apple wouldn't be where it is today. They survived when PC/Microsoft took over the world simply because they were touting that the Apple platform is better suited for artists and designers. And that's all because of Adobe's products running on Apple machines! If Adobe decided to cut all of its products from the Apple platform, Apple would be so screwed considering that Apple's largest target audience is the art/design industry.

ATi_Elite2849d ago

Steve Jobs is right about Adobe.

Adobe is heavy and clunky ive found lighter and better programs than anything from adobe.
They suck and are lazy and have a lot of flaws in their security that makes spreading trojens and malware easy.

Apple uses HTML4 and 5 is the new hottness. Way more advanced than Flash
Adobe

Google vs. iPhone = Cell phones produce too much radiation so I can careless but the iPhone is better if i had to choose.

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Letros2849d ago

Seriously, I'd shake hands with T-Pain before this guy.

Letros2849d ago (Edited 2849d ago )

If cool means spelling all your words wrong, then yea he's one slick dude, cool to be stupid, only in America.

JsonHenry2849d ago

Your statement about Tpain (had to look him up) and your default pic says everything I need to know about you.

And I agree with the OP. Steve is obnoxious to put it politely.

RealityCheck2849d ago (Edited 2849d ago )

In my opinion he should focus on the business side of things and put his ego and personal politics aside. If his own customers want Flash on their iPod and iPad, then at least make it an option even if you charge for it. If his own customers want Blu-ray on their Macs, then at least make it a factory option even if you charge for it.

Letros2849d ago

Apple quotes battery life knowing flash won't be used on the device, and Mac users are generally too dumb to know that multimedia functions drain batteries fast. Therefore they just don't let their customers use them, it's better for the customer in the end.

bjornbear2849d ago (Edited 2849d ago )

really? I'd think that's kind of evident =/

the more crap you run in the background, the more processing it requires, hence the more energy.

Don't generalise, especially since "mac users" are a minority and usually use macs for specific functions like graphic design and sound engineering, which means they are far from dumb =/

I hate the notion that Mac users and tech-dumb just because they don't spend their days playing with the insides of their computers =/

Fine, Mac is very simplified and user-friendly...but why the hell is that a bad thing?

Good design is simplifying and streamlining a process to make it easier to work with.

If you want to go ape-sh!t with your computer and make it 100% personal, you don't get a Windows, you get Linux.

But just because you don't want to revamp your whole computer and get a Mac, it doesn't automatically make you "dumb".

I do agree though that Mac's are becoming popular and more "tech-dumb" people are flocking to them, but remember, before they had Mac's, these people had PC's running Windows, but no one said "Windows users are dumb" =P

And I also agree Mac's should have Blu-ray as an option =/ Apple are getting a little annoying with these hardware / software limitations, but so far i haven't been affected so I can't say its bad =/

Letros2849d ago (Edited 2849d ago )

My sister has a new iMac I've used it, I use W7 everyday as well, W7 is so much more streamlined and user friendly than XP ever was. That said I don't see an advantage of OSX over W7 besides high end graphic production, what she does.

Does it not bother people that a company determines what you can and cannot have on YOUR purchased hardware?

Monkey5212849d ago

I'm not going to start an argument, but as a mac user, I really am not bothered by my OS being made by the same people that make my hardware. And if I REALLY want to...I can put on windows as a partition. So I can have the best of both worlds.

BTW, I have a mac since I am a Digital Designer (it's graphic design with a broader range like 3D design). I have tried adobe software on both mac and pc, and it's better on Mac IMO. But I hate flash as a program. Don't get me wrong, I think that Apple should support it, because flash makes up a significant portion of the online space, but it's such a poorly written program and is annoying to maintain (website wise). I personally code from the ground up with basic HTML, CSS, and Java. Then I integrate some flash items if I want later. Anyways, that was my rant....take it or leave it.

sikbeta2849d ago

"If you want to go ape-sh!t with your computer and make it 100% personal, you don't get a Windows, you get Linux."

BEST COMMENT EVA... lol

Add to that, you don't want your Computer to get F~cked up by a little worm or @$$-trojan-H and if you want SAVE a GREAT [%] of Resources

UBUNTU FTW!!!

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Strikepackage Bravo2849d ago (Edited 2849d ago )

on the google full of bullsh%t thing. Like I said before, if google is so interested in making the world a better place, and doing what is right, they would not even be doing business in a country like China that does not even let it's people do uncensored searches on the web!

Wha, why did I get disagrees? So censorship is good now?

JamMyth2849d ago (Edited 2849d ago )

I think you have the disagrees because of your logical fallacy:

1. Google does business with China
2. China is evil because the government censor its people
3. Since google does business with China, it's evil

In order for google to have a presence in China their content is censored--whether google does it themselves or the Chinese government does it for them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

Google is a company, after all, out to make money and they are in China to make money. (not to further democracy or to to a proponent of free speech, they are there to make money--very much like 90% of the manufacturing companies that do business with China (I just made that number up so don't expect a reference)).

I'm guessing you are boycotting Chinese products because of your stance on China's record on human rights? (I'm guessing no, since you're a gamer and pretty much everything you buy is on a gaming system is made in China).

Now, I'm not defending google here, I think they have a questionable policy when it comes to online privacy( http://en.wikipedia.org/wik... but calling them evil for doing business in China I think is unjustified.

And for the record, google is not there to make the world a better place, they're here to make money, without doing evil ("You can make money without doing evil.")
http://www.google.com/corpo...

Strikepackage Bravo2849d ago

I agree with you almost completely, and you made your point beautifully. But I know its not google who chooses to censor, its the Chinese government. However, it IS google who claims to be in business to do more than just make money, they say they want to change the world for the better. At least that is what I have heard, perhaps they never said any such thing.

Whatver the case, if you are allowing the Chinese gov to use your service as another means of censoring its people, then you are part of the problem, all companies need to tell China, either you treat your people like human beings, or we do not do business in your country.

If they are in business to make money, than stop being so preachy and stfu. Few businesses are "evil" or make money by being "evil", google is no better than most companies, to push some myth that they are some kind of corporate saint is just phony.

Nothing wrong with doing biz in places like China if you simply claim to be a pure capitalist company, but when you claim to be some beacon of corporate morality, then you just do not turn around and do biz in places like China, that is hypocritical.

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