Steve Ballmer: "We cannot let intel do chip design on Linux ever"

And Bill Gates says: "I asked our people many times if there is
any backsliding on their not using Linux for this."

[Pennywise]

And yet another shady piece of evidence against MS.

You guys keep giving them your money... American or not, the business practices they use are a poison. I am surprised how supportive people are of them. Ask Steve Jobs about it.

[DavidMacDougall]

I'd say all big companys are shady but say what you want i love Windows XP but nothing else they've done

[Lord Anubis]

this whole MS trying to force intel to drop support for linux drama has been well documented. THis adds to what's going on. Too bad for microsoft Intel has released a linux OS for netbooks.

[Genesis5]

They have a strong paranoia when it comes to giving consumers a choice on an OS.

[The Lazy One]

are we posting news about microsoft from before their anti-trust suit?

is this supposed to be surprising to people?

[Death]

http://query.nytimes.com/gs...

Bill Gates and Microsoft helped Mr. Jobs to bring Apple back to profitability before they went under. Since 1997 Mr. Jobs has become incredibly wealthy and he also runs Apple very well. While most of the credit belongs to Steve Jobs, that 150 million was critical to his early success and helped him get the company moving in the right direction.

-Death

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Maybe it's an age thing Death? Not sure many know that MS actually bailed out Apple. LOL Love it how he says one more piece of evidence when this is just regurgitated "evidence" from 9+ years ago.

[ThatArtGuy]

Of course Microsoft bailed out Apple. If they didn't they would have been hit much harder, and in higher numbers, with the anti-monopoly lawsuits.

[Kaneda]

When they bailed out Apple, at that time it was benefiting to them. M$ is filthy rich with that 150 mil! If they still invest that money today. That 150 mil grew like 3000 times what they invested before.

M$ didn't consider Apple as a threat before. Because they were so BIG. But now Apple grew up! And if Apple is still doing good in the future. It will continue to take away market share from M$.

[Joey Greco RULES]

MS bailed out Apple.
Apple needed it.
It was a goodwill gesture, not a business decision.
Most of you were old enough to remember this.
Get over it. Not everything MS does is negative, and you obviously dont understand anti-trust laws.
so shh.

[Godmars290]

And in the case of MS, some more than most.

its never been a question of creating a product with them and letting it sell itself. Its always been we must be the market leader even at the cost of a product's quality.

@Joey Greco RULES:
MS bailed Apple out at Government insistence.

[AAACE5]

Microsoft is a corporation, and just like anything else, once it becomes corporate... people don't matter and traditional morals go out the window!

It's kind of like being a fanboy!

[Pennywise]

Dont act like MS bailing them out has anything to do with the kindness of the company's heart. It had to do with gov't pressure, self preservation, and most likely a guilty conscience. Read up on when Bill and Steve were buddies.

Quit acting like I am young. I am probably older than most posters here.

[killzone2flop]

Linux is crap only retards use linux Steve Ballmer you tell them how it is your the man.

[PeptoBismol]

suck his d*ck why dont u

[djtek184]

:0

[Graphics Whore]

You feed the troll, the troll lives.

You don't feed the troll, the troll just looks pathetic and lonesome in his troll attempt.

[BGDad]

Ive seen trolls this is just a mere puppet in my world. He dances and sings but no one cares or listens he just sits by himself in his little world chanting in his mind how cool he really is...

Bottom line Killzone 2 roxors my soxurs...

[blackbeld]

Shut up pp... Microsoft is going down soon very soon.. LONG LIVE OPEN SOURCE LINUX!!!!!!!!!!

[Mikerra17]

This guy says that only ideots use linux, when the fact is that really only smart people use linux because you have to know things to get linux to work

[evilmonkey501]

so I will paraphrase.

Microsoft: intel will you make us a chip?
intel: sure....(intel goes and tries)....(comes back) (says) your operating system is crap, but in runs everything else ever made just fine. Its definitely your operating system...go fix it.
(Microsoft): ok...we will fix it but just enough so that it works and then we can introduce windows 8 as better and faster.
(intel): ok...as long as you pay us well go along
WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!
MICROSOFT IS SCAMMING THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cryymoar]

you're just mad because you need windows to do everything for you. those who oppose linux and anything that is open source are just either too afraid of the idea of having to know exactly what you are doing on the computer, or don't know anything when it comes to computers. and since computers and video games go hand-in-hand, you sir are no one to be talking about video games or talk down on the PS3. You probably don't know WHY the CELL BE is so great, or why CELL + BDR + XDR + RSX = the SUPERIOR gaming console. you probably didn't even know that a byte has 8 bits, or that a kilobyte has 1024 bytes and NOT 1000. just get off of N4G dude. you have nothing to contribute, if N4G was your parents, you'd be a bastard child. Not even xbots care what you have to say.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Time for these guys to change their name from boycottnovell to boycottmicrosoft. Expect more old documents with a fresh new coat of hate on them from this site throughout the week.

Submitter, nice touch with the pic!

[Death]

It has nothing to do with end users like you and me and everything to do with the server software at that time. Microsoft like any business works very hard to maintain it's position. I would expect them to agressively go after any business opportunities. If Intel was looking at moving over to UNIX and Linux, what did you expect Microsoft to do, throw up a white flag and quit?

-Death

[Lord Anubis]

this came recently to light. At least read the story before you start kissing it.

"WE CONTINUE exploring Microsoft’s mischiefs which were intended to derail Intel’s support of GNU/Linux. We make careful use of antitrust evidence that appeared very briefly in 2007 and then pulled due to a secretive settlement. Previous posts on the subject include:"

[Death]

Did you read the so called "evidence"? It's various email replies from Microsoft employees that are trying to save an account with Intel. I didn't exactly see anything "criminal" unless you think working to try and resolve issues with a vendor as being horrible in some way.

I like this, it's very sensationalist, "We make careful use of antitrust evidence that appeared very briefly in 2007 and then pulled due to a secretive settlement.". If this issue has already been resolved in a court of law, what does this blog intend to do that a court hasn't? I enjoyed the first season or two of the X-Files just like everyone else, but I'm not sure this blog rant is able to justify the poor helpless trees that had to suffer in order for it to see the light of day.

-Death

[Lord Anubis]

resolve an issue?. I guess you didn't read anything. Bill Gates and Ballmer were trying to prevent Linux from spreading further and thus assisted Intel as much as they could. That wasn't the first time doing it. They tried to stop Walmart and Dell as well. That's uncompetitive behavior. It's not something that has been resolved as Microsoft continues to stop the advancements of Linux in government agencies around the world.

[Death]

I'm not sure I understand your point. Perhaps GM should start telling their customers to buy Toyotas? You are correct in stating that Microsoft was trying to stop Intel from using UNIX. You might want to sit down for this, but I hear the guys at Coke don't want people drinking Pepsi. They have gone so far as to introduce new flavors based on Pepsi products and have gone even further by buying other smaller ocmpanies in order to remain competative. Bic and Gillette are fighting over Razors, Sony and Samsung over TV's and believe it or not Apple sells over 75% of the worlds MP3 players and pretty much crushes everyone that comes to market which includes Microsofts effort with the Zune.

It's a crazy world.

-Death

[Lord Anubis]

oh son, see Coke made new flavors in order to compete. Sony and samsungs make new tvs to compete with each other. Razor comes up with new technologies for the "closer shave" but when you go and try to stop another company from using another competitive product by making deals to supply them at dirt cheap prices to avoid the agency from using linux or giving them for free or even assisting them to keep them happy. In Dells case they were threaten to raise the price of XP during that time but of course it was a bluff or they would have been sued. That my son is being anti competitive.

Do you get the point now? Microsoft didn't go and create a new product to better compete with linux they wanted Intel to stop support for linux. Luckily Intel has finish their Linux OS.

[Graphics Whore]

Lord Anubis, you're smarter than this fellow, don't boil down to his level. Death literally thinks he's always right even when he's wrong, don't bother dude.

He's very shrouded in his self thinking.

[Death]

I find it odd that this article is supposed to incite us to anger over Microsofts "evil" ways when we are not getting all the information needed to form an intelligent opinion. From these emails all I see is a company trying to retain a client. It's not unusual in any way.

As far as the conversation I'm having with my dad is concerned, here's a question. What do you think happens when you own a restraunt that serves Coke products but decides they want to serve Cherry Pepsi instead of Cherry Coke? Usually Coke will send someone out and rip out the machine or at thevery least remove their products. Last place I worked the company had purhchased a vending machine that was serviced by Coca-Cola. It was in a private break room used by employees only. We placed Mountain Dew in it since we liked it more than Vault. When Coke came out on a service visit they removed all the Mountain Dew, didn't replace it and didn't pay us for it. Funny how that works.

As far as your claim Microsoft didn't create a new product to compete, read the emails. The issue they had was in creating a custom OS that would transition Intels exisitng UNIX applications to the new Windows NT. Once again this has nothing to do with Intel using Linux on client machines, it was about server applications in 1999.

-Death

[mirroredderorrim]

Actually, it DOES have to do with the end user, because we are the goal of ALL companies, then our wallets.

[Llort]

Are rampant child molesters and beastial sexual predators. None of them have a moral compass because of their lack of intelligence. Avoid discussion with Xbox Fanboy, they'll just bring you down to their level and beat you with the experience of failure.

[free2game365]

Considering how much Intel supports opensource things, and how with their new chips they're trying to cut down on the use of directX, I don't see how MS think they can win this.

[tudors]

anything MS does is Anti-competative? so what about in New York where you bid for your hotdog stand, on a visit to NY my partner spoke with a owner of a hotdog stand and he told her it cost him $200,000 for the year, so really anyone who just bought a hotdog trailer, has the contacts for the wholesalers, got his business plan etc, but guess what he cannot possibly hope to outbid the established business,this may seem a stupid point but I myself am a business enthusiast but large corparate companies such as supermarkets completly price the small businesses out of the market, whats that american site 'best buy'? just look at some of there deals and tell me they don't kill small business.

I just don't understand why people don't realise that this is really common, but we only seem to be hearing about it when MS gets brought up, name me a business that isnt a little ruthless and I will show my arse to the queen.

[Lord Anubis]

because you see it everyday it makes it right? You do realize that big companies like Best Buy or walmart buy in large sales from distributors around the world. If they buy from china and not from the US like the small guys that is not their problem. If they start to disrupt the smaller guys then they can be sued for bringing down prices to take out the little guy.

[jelydonut]

This is basically a example of microsoft trying to push themselves into a market that they have no hold in. I do chip design so i know this. The fact is, is there is only 1 package available for a windows platform to even do chip design. All the rest (the big boys) use linux/solaris. Also, the main reason it would be a issue is most chip design packages were originally written 20 years ago and modified further over the years, making porting more difficult. Not to mention how pissed I would be if I'm running a script which can take a day to complete, only to have the windows box blue screen. It's only 500k/year software, why need stability?

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

What a desperate attempt.

[edgeofblade]

This is business. Business is cut-throat. And Microsoft is the best at doing business.

Microsoft has every right to lock out anyone they want. It's a platform mediated market, and they own the platform. They have a level of control they can exercise to do what ever the hell they want. If I were in MS' position, I would have done the same thing.

The real issues that get me steamed are competitors suing them down to size because they can't compete any other way.

To date, every piece of Microsoft litigation actually infringes on Microsoft's rights as a business in an allegedly capitalist society. If people don't like it, they can do Mac or Linux. But for some reason, the world STILL runs on mother fing Windows.

[Darkseider]

and here I thought there would be a video of Ballmer throwing chairs and swearing... Ooh well maybe next time.

[darthv72]

MS makes OS for PC. Intel makes chips for PC. Linux makes OS for PC. To Intel, it shouldn't matter what OS is being used. It is the job of the OS programmers to make their software work with whatever hardware is available.

Or is there more to it?

[Bumpmapping]

darth yes Intel was planning on using Linux beacause M$ OS was garbage....So instead of M$ making a more stable OS they used dirty tatics on Intel 2 assure they would never use Linux.Microsoft doesnt want competion beacause they will never suceed, just like Zune and there Xbox brand, hence them trying to monopolise every market they go into.

[edgeofblade]

That was... incoherent. If you think that beyond a doubt, Microsoft will never succeed... that it's some how fated that Microsoft will fail, then it's clear you have an irrational hatred of Microsoft. Microsoft is a business, the same as any other business. Apple wants to eliminate Microsoft. Linux wants to eliminate Microsoft. That's because Microsoft is #1 and will be for the foreseeable future.

So, it's fine for Apple and Linux to walk all over Microsoft in court because you think they're evil? So the minute Microsoft fights back, Microsoft is upsetting the natural order?

It's sickening the capacity for human thought and logic we are capable of, and you present this half-baked Microsoft hate in place of rational thought...

[Bumpmapping]

My hatred has to do with there scummy buisness tatics wich have never changed, you're the one defending a company for years screwing consumers.If you for one second think thats some false accusation or consparisey theory on my part so be it....I've dealt with them long enough to know "me" as the consumer is right. If you hold them so dearley in your heart to defend a company thats been caught with there pants down more then once, then you my freind are a sheep!

[WLPowell]

... That's all the proof you need.

[Death]

Microsoft is bad for creating the Xbox brand to try and compete with Sony who owned over 75% of the market. (Never mind that people actual enjoy the system and games). The Zune is another horrible thing for Microsoft to create to compete against the ipod which owns the MP3 player market by an incredible margin. These are both bad things to do since Microsoft is trying to "own" these markets too.

On the other hand, Microsoft is the marketleader with PC OS's, but it's more than ok for Linux and Apple to stake their claim of a market owned by Microsoft.

I guess that makes perfect sense. It's not even a little hypocritical.

Here's an antitrust case against Apple over ipods inability to play competing formats. http://www.informationweek.... They must be the devil too.

-Death

[DJ]

Not gaming market as a whole. The actual gaming market is pretty much a 50/50 split between Nintendo and Sony.

[Jrome]

People always point fingers at microsoft without looking at the other companies as well.

[Death]

Not just by your assumption that consoles and handhelds are the entire market, but by your not giving Microsoft even 1 percent of the market with their efforts with the Xbox brand. I think it says alot that you don't even consider the Xbox a competitor on any front.

Here's one to think about, games are also sold for the PC which uses Microsofts Windows platform. This platform is paid royalties just like consoles. If you want to use gaming as a whole, you may want to rethink your figures and add PC gaming into this mix. Apple should also be included since the ipod touch and iphone both play games very well.

You inadvertently brought up another interesting point. Nintendo had a stranglehold on the handheld market for many years. Sony entered into the fray with the PSP and it was seen as innovative on their part. Microsoft entered into the console market and it is viewed as a bad thing even though they brought a HDD to the party and focused on online play.

-Death

[Pennywise]

Death, we see your name at the top of your posts.... why do you sign off with it too, like it was given to you at birth?? The way you speak and act like everything you say is set in stone is pretentious enough.

[Xiru]

Lol, linux is far from crap. Its the most stable OS for business use and great for home use as well. Think of it like this:

MS = 360
Linux = PS3

One is more stable and reliable, the other is more popular but has a chance to fail. I'll stick with Linux... :)

[Obama]

I have used Linux once, but I like it a lot.

[Raoh]

RE: apple

It was in microsofts best interest to help apple. without apple there would have been no competitor putting microsoft in an anti trust breaking situation...