Xbox Claims Console Market Growth Is Stagnant Since 6 Years, Discusses Call Of Duty On Game Pass

Microsoft has shared plans regarding bringing the Call of Duty series to Xbox Game Pass & has shared some insight on the console market.

[Hofstaderman]

Stagnant for XBOX, yes

[Kornholic]

Since Xbox Series console sales are even weaker than Xbox One's, stagnant is a bit misleading - it's shrinking!

[VenomUK]

Nintendo would disagree with him, over the last six years it’s had fantastic growth both with Switch hardware and software.

Sony would disagree with him, it launched a new console during the pandemic and eventually got it leading the market in new sales and its subscription service and multi platform game sales are thriving on PS5.

It seems like Phil Spencer is reflecting on stagnant sales of the company he has led for a decade and is disingenuously projecting its failings as a comment on the state of the entire home console industry.

[crazyCoconuts]

Technically growing at a slower rate

[--Onilink--]

By that argument, every single Sony and Nintendo console have sold less than the PS2 and DS so they are also shrinking…

I really dont understand why people here keep saying that Nintendo and Sony are proof what he is saying is wrong, both companies most successful devices are 20 years old, and considering that the DS came out at practically the same time as the the Wii, the Switch basically has to compete against both

Assuming the PS5 is literally at the half way point and Sony is already starting to reduce sales forecasts, its likely to at best do around the same numbers as PS4, which are great sales numbers, but not showing growth in market size, if anything, if Xbox is selling less than last gen and Sony sells the same, again they actually failed to capture that market Xbox lost

Yes, Xbox as a brand to sell consoles has gone downhill and they have been terrible at it since the 360 gen ended, but everyone else is literally selling the same or even less consoles than they were 20 years ago, its literally what a stagnant market is…

Software sales are not quite the same as the console side, though given how expensive games have become, being a million seller is usually not enough anymore anyway

[peppeaccardo]

When a company has no vision and the only matter of interest is profit, all the moves it makes are NOT for the players nor for the evolution of the industry, They have played it safe and brought no innovation and relied exclusivelly on a lame subscription model that is backfiring on them on all directions. Typical american corporate greed !

[Shikoku]

That's is on purpose no matter what Spencer says about being committed to "physical media" the CEO of MS has stated the company wants all of it's properties in the cloud and they want every thing digital because then it's a subscription service not ownership. It's a corporate mandate and he just like the Wins team have to comply with the corporate vision. So its by design, this so all to push people further and further to digital only. Mattrick tried it too fast and this is slow death by a thousand cuts. They bought all those studios to bolster game pass not so they could be multiplatform. The multiplatform is so the FTC and others don't claim monopoly on them.

[StormSnooper]

I’m not sure why Xbox fans don’t demand that MS have a VR headset. It’s so strange.

Come to think of it, it’s a sign that MS wants out of console market and into service only future. In the past, this would have been blasphemy to console gaming players…

[Einhander1972]

It's not profit that drives them, it's control, they want to control gaming the way they control PC.

[EvertonFC]

I'm Pro playstation as many on here know but laden and Andrew's both said the same.

[1Victor]

“SURPRISE “ said no one after reading this
“Spencer mentioned that Microsoft’s intent is to have the full portfolio of games from ZeniMax, Activision Blizzard and Xbox Game Studios day one on its premium subscription service”
Another 180* turn or does that means CoD on PlayStation+ premium day one “free” as well 😱.
A billion dollars franchise dropping to a few millions, this will be the final nail in the eyes of the all powerful investors.

[ChasterMies]

A lot of folks like to point to Nintendo as a sign of growth but Nintendo only has one console now compared to two back in the Wii / DS days. Overall, Nintendo is selling 100M fewer units than a couple of generations ago.

PS5 is growing marketshare at the apparent expense of Xbox. Overall the number of potential PS5 and Xbox owners has not increased in the last two generations.

[Software_Lover]

I don't think you know what growth means.

[porkChop]

Nah, he's not wrong. Though it's been longer than 6 years. The console market has been comprised of roughly 200-250 million gamers for decades. It hasn't actually grown at all. Market share between the 3 manufacturers change but the overall size of the pie is still the same.

[shinoff2183]

Mnot back in the ps2 Era. Under 200 mill for the 360 ps3 wii Era also.

[porkChop]

The PS3, 360, and Wii totalled out to around 275 million units. Considering the 360s RROD and PS3s YLOD and accounting for replacing broken systems, that would still be in the 200-250 million range.

The PS2, Xbox, and GameCube totalled out to just over 203 million. Bricked consoles were far less common that gen, though it could technically have been slightly under 200 million.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

The entire market is stagnant. Show us the console with 300 million sales.

[Christopher]

What's interesting is that the console market overall hasn't 'grown' but Xbox has shrunk while PS and Switch have grown to fill in their loss of market. So, yeah, he's right, but the phrasing is interesting since the console market has shrunk for them and grown for the others.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

It’s still largely the same overall numbers of console gamers just that market share structure has changed.

[Christopher]

Yes.... I just specified how that market share structure has changed. But, yeah, you can say exactly what I said with less info?

[neutralgamer1992]

phil it has been like this because xbox brand hasn't been helping grow the industry. If xbox console were at 40 million instead of 26 we would have healthier industry

[BillyCrystals]

Console sales
10 million - Game Gear
10 million - TurboGrafx-16
9 million - Dreamcast
9 million - Sega Saturn
6 million - Series X

[Jingsing]

The only thing that is stagnant is Phil Spencer. Time to go.

[DarXyde]

I don't see the point. Nothing would change.

Honestly, I don't see much difference between what the Xbox One was supposed to be under Mattrick and where they're going now.

People worried about used games going away. Now you've got game pass and you can't really share that.

People worried about DRM and always online. You need a connection for the sub service.

People were worried about MS spying on your consumption habits. They kind of come out and tell you as much with game statics, don't they?

I don't think Microsoft has changed their trajectory with the difference in leadership. They just package the same vision in a way that is now palatable.

I see them though. They've got the average muppet fooled, but not me.

[Shikoku]

They haven't because it wasn't Mattrick that was behind that it was a corporate strategy for all MS properties. Mattrick just tried to do it too quickly. Phil is lubing you up before he slides it in, while Mattrick just tried to ram it home dry, by pushing the BS "power of the cloud" nonsense.

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

I think it's going to be hard to salvage the brand at this point, no one is buying Xboxes, and it's got a reputation that there are more games on other systems. They would need to push out a slew of high quality exclusives over a consistent period of time, that means that they would have to change the way they manage the entire brand. I also don't think the Xbox has a killer app/game, I struggle to think of anything that I consider to be a big system seller for them after the 360 days (Halo isn't what it used to be).

[NotoriousWhiz]

Xbox's market is shrinking for sure, but PS5 is also behind PS4 (but just barely).

https://www.vgchartz.com/ar...

[S2Killinit]

He only does what MS wants. He is just a suit dressed up as a gamer.

[BrainSyphoned]

On today's episode of "Phil says" we gleen "Insight"
From a guy that has been having to hide his brand's numbers for years because he hasn't managed anything besides trying to copying Netflix with the world's largest corporate spending account. Unlike Phil, Netflix actually manages to release quality in-house content and is a good place to find Japanese and Korean titles. But yes, the console market is a stable slow growing market. How about you leave it and go play on PC where your company that runs the world's computers already failed with their own storefronts and has to release their games on Steam.

[gold_drake]

for them? yes.

look no further than the ps4, ps5 and the switch and hpw successful they've been in the last 6 years

[Workshyskiver]

That's missing the point though. Even when you look at Playstation, the market leader, its not really grown the total pool of people buying their consoles. Its just capturing the majority of what has been a fairly stagnant market since the sixth generation.

Total sales across all relevant platforms
6th Gen- 209 Million Total: PS2 155m, Xbox 24m,GC 22m, DC 9m
7th Gen- 273 Million: PS3 87m, X360 84, Wii 101m
8th Gen- 289 Million: PS4 117m, XBO 58, Switch 125m

The only real driver of growth has been both the Wii and now the Switch. The others have just been split between Playstation and whoever the other competitor has been.

[shinoff2183]

I swore ps3 was 89

Also where the wii u

[TheCaptainKuchiki]

Lmaooooo, PS and Nintendo would highly disagree

[The_Hooligan]

Both Sony and Nintendo have done great this gen, especially Nintendo. I mean anytime you sell more than 100 mil consoles in a generation is a huge accomplishment. I am sure PS5 will do more than 100 mil as well. I do however agree that the growth rate of the consoles has not seen a steady increase. This does not mean the consoles are not selling because the numbers for PS and Switch are amazing or the gaming market size as a whole is not growing, it means there are other means by which people can access games and that has caused the growth rate of the gaming industry to grow but the consoles themselves have not seen a huge growth rate. PS2 for now is the best selling console (switch might take that crown), so if we were to add all the PS2, Xbox, Gamecube (~204 mil total) add all PS3, X360, Wii (~274 mil) add PS4, Xbox1, WiiU (~189 mil) and the current gen with PS5, Xbox series, Switch (~210 and counting), the numbers for each generation has not grown as much. This is just my opinion based on the numbers I see, it does not make me right.

Off topic: Kuchiki, I thought you had died by your own bankai! lol

[TheCaptainKuchiki]

Xbox is the only one holding the gen back as far as growth rates are concerned. Both the PS5 and Switch are outpacing their predecessors and setting new sales records, which should mean higher growth rates. However because the XSX is selling slower than the XBO, it lowers the overall growth rate of the sector.
Xbox is the weakest link. Therefore, the claim is WRONG, the growth rate isn't stagnant for the other 2.

[OptimusDK]

As the most here you dont really understand the concept of a market.

[TheCaptainKuchiki]

Blablabla. The market isn't stagnant, especially not with the covid boost.

[Terry_B]

Maybe he is good in Diablo 4 (which is not difficult) but has the Xbox Head he is stagnant.

[anast]

ouch

[Terry_B]

yeah..that typo will pain my ass for hours now. Didnt see it before ^^ (has instead of as)

[anast]

Not worried about the typo, we all make them. That was a good burn.

[EasilyTheBest]

Some of you are missing the point. It's stagnant for Xbox PlayStation & Nintendo.
"Using consoles as an example, he said that there are around 200 million global households that will play console games, and that number hasn’t really changed in the last 5 or 6 years."
Basically it looks like all console makers can't get much above this number.

[Gamingsince1981]

He is saying that because xbox has failed every gen, even if that was true , they are failing because they can't get even a small share of that 200 million households because Nintendo Sony and pc have it all, there is no room for xbox anymore

[Chevalier]

You do realize current Gen between Switch (140 million), PS5 (55 million) and Xbox Series (25 million) is already over 200 million right?! Maybe do some math

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Switch is last gen.

[EasilyTheBest]

He said around 200 Million but you're missing the point totally

[crazyCoconuts]

Right. It's a zero sum game - it's not entirely accurate but directionally close I guess.
So PS goal is to get a bigger slice of this fixed pie.
Xbox collapse will help with that. Post Xbox, they'll have to start looking to sway PC and Switch gamers to grow.
Everyone talks about mobile, but I don't understand what it takes to be successful in the mobile market in a big way. Like how do you repeat a Candy Crush? I don't think anyone knows tbh

[EvertonFC]

Agreed, I think people still prefer the bar/pub, going out for a meal during there evenings etc.
Shawn layden has already stated it's been stagnant for everyone.
I think the main problem is 100 games a year releasing with casuals only buying 2 games a year and not being interested in many genres.
I personally like lots of games and buy 1 full price game every month and either a 3rd party or indie game too, but the casual is just playing Fortnite most of the year with fifa and cod in-between and nothing else.
I'm amazed more studios are not closing tbh cause some of the sales figures for indie and 3rd party games can't be meeting targets.

[Einhander1972]

That's a bad take, your just trying to shift this away from Microsoft.

There was enough growth to drive an industry to record profits pretty much year after year. That was until Phil moved the industry to subscriptions which couldn't possibly pay for the types of development costs hat AAA games take.

This was a predictable outcome which myself and many others have been saying since game pass was announced, but of course constantly Microsoft and xbox fans like yourself refused and continue to refuse to take any responsibility or even admit what the problem is, and instead, as you just did, try to deflect the blame to anything but your own choices.

[Chevalier]

"He said around 200 Million but you're missing the point totally"

No its an idiotic take you're trying to run with. PS5 will reach 100+ million and if Xbox reaches say 50 million and Switch hits 150 million that's already 300+ million consoles. That means for the first time ever BOTH Nintendo and Playstation will have 100+ million sellers in the SAME generation. So he's already wrong on multiple accounts. The main point of 200 million console gamers literally goes down the drain.

Also consider this. Phil scoffs at 200 million console gamers and yet the biggest streaming platform has 200 million subscribers in Netflix. That's with billions of TVs, phones, PCs and consoles. So want to explain why topping out at about 200 million is a bad thing? You seriously think that Gamepass comes anywhere near Netflix type numbers ever? Netflix spends $10 billion a year for content. Disney will be in the black for the first time ever this summer has about 150 million subscribers. So explain to us again how 2 huge entities like Netflix and Disney available on literally billions of devices is a bad thing while your at it? If you think Gamepass can reach 100 million you're dreaming.

[raWfodog]

Just because the console market is not growing, that doesn't mean that it is not a viable market anymore. When new consoles drop, that 200 million potential buyers and that is a damn good market number as far as a hardware manufacturer is concerned. Xbox is just doing a bad job at trying to get those consumers to invest in their console(s).

[Jayszen]

Right...I think Spencer really means that there is a finite number of console buyers and most are choosing Playstation. I wish this guy would just shut up about telling us how the market is...

[anast]

He's warming everyone up.

[Hofstaderman]

Every screen....

[anast]

What do you think he has in store for the Xbox faithful?

[Hofstaderman]

@anast a world of hurt and dissapointment

[S2Killinit]

MS goal is to scorch console gaming and so they constantly want to diminish the value of consoles. That is their plan.

[Aloymetal]

110%!! I said this a while ago, MS couldn't care less about the console space/industry especially now when the have already face the inevitable and had to throw the towel, they will gladly pick up their bags and leave the console space like it never happened and leave a whole mess behind because at the day they still got momma windows and its infinite cash flow.

[Aloymetal]

And this year will be even worse for the green brand, those hardware and software numbers will keep shrinking.
You know things are really bad when the xbox series are on a steady path to sell less than the xbone.

[anast]

Android will be their next platform.

[Silly Mammo]

Phil is laying the groundwork with excuses for why MS will get out of the console business

[S2Killinit]

MS works overtime to prepare everyone for minimizing consoles, theor plan is to do away with console gaming because they couldn't dominate like they had hoped. Now they are trying to destroy console gaming to shake things up.

[ironmonkey]

Yeah when your only strategy is to go full multi due to lack of support and digging into windows fund, you have to try your best to make a bad situation into a pr good talk situation. Tell the people who bought theirs games and consoles that this is very ,,, good.

[XiNatsuDragnel]

Stagnant for Xbox man, because console market has grown plus consoles are being sold in more places than ever so... I don't what you're talking about Phil.

[Einhander1972]

"Console Market Growth Is Stagnant Since 6 Years"

Hmm that's around the same time you pushed the industry into a subscription model... thus destroying the profitability of your own platform and causing the first stagnation of the industry in an industry that has seen constant growth for 40 years.

Take note Phil that it's your platform that is struggling the most, where sales of software have become practically non-existent, and profitability is unobtainable through software production.

And my personal note is that no matter what numbers he gives out in heavily manipulated investor presentations and sales numbers that sites like vgchartz project, things for xbox are much worse in reality

Phil has done nothing but drag the industry down, the recent merger layoffs only further show his effect on the industry and where things are headed under Microsoft leadership.

[FGHFGHFGH]

One thing people seem to forget is that XBOX made gamepass because they had shittty sales. Meanwhile PS4 sold almost 2 billion games (most from any console)
https://www.tweaktown.com/n...
It's software sales where they make money from (well at least SONY and Nintendo)

[hiroyukisanada]

@Hofstaderman I came here to say just that!🤣
Xbox is out here trying to convince their fans that the
industry is collapsing because THEY can't convince anyone else to buy their products, so they need to buy the entire industry in the name of "growth."

[neomahi]

This is getting pretty pathetic. Xbox has been having problems for GENERATIONS. The Xbox 360 had a major problem is Red Ring of Death. Everyone I knew that had one we'd be having conversations about how many Xbox's they'd been through, and everyone had it happen to at least one Xbox 360, and somehow, everyone seemed that was still all okay.

Following the Xbox One reveal, consumers really started to see Microsoft's business practices. I don't think everyone understands just what Microsoft has done with contributing, advocating, and evangelism of monotization of games, and practice Sony (as it seems at this point) and in the works of steering in the opposite direction and it seems Capcom, at least once, seemed to agree with. With the PS2 when Sony was King, you paid $39.99 for your game and you got it all and it was quality tested to no end, because there was no software updates. Today, Sony have several times (even in the midst of Games as a Service on the rise) supported that old way of thinking. Legends was free DLC for Ghost of Tsushima. Valhalla was free for God of War Ragnarok, and even RE4 VR was free DLC to PS5 owners of Resident Evil 4 Remake, as it should be. But, instead, we have $100 Digital Deluxe versions of a bunch of lousy digital content that doesn't merit the cost, it's content that should be included with the $69.99 price tag that just went up. Paid DLC, microtransactions, and lootboxes and card packs all are the result of Xbox business practices that have taken over, because Xbox had to find a way in to compete with Sony and Nintendo that had hard earned well established relationships with devs and publishers. Xbox was easily convinced, and saw eye to eye with fellow North American publishing company Electronic Arts and Activision as well as Ubisoft that advocated for it.

Now, that Xbox are being seen for who they really are, the sympathy wheel is starting to turn, by the sort that are the diehard Americans. Americans only watch baseball, eat apple pie, and will only buy a Ford, a Chevy, a Dodge, or a Harley Davidson. Suddenly, out of knowhere, because Xbox is choosing to flounder, and has been, now everyone expects it of Sony. Gamers have also tucked Nintendo aside considering them as non-existent in the console wars and leaving them in the shadows, that's it time to bring them back to the forefront and part of the conversation again as Xbox's troubles seem to be blamed on Sony, that without Xbox there's no competition, which is crap. Valve are PlayStation's competition on PC (which has been that way forever. Gabe Newell has ALWAYS been anti Sony and always advocated for Xbox, regardless of who has the most reliable hardware), and then there's Nintendo. Like it or not, I don't, mobile gaming with is crap games for a cheap cash grab, is also a threat to the industry and it's business practices that nobody cared about until the Wii. Sure, people are playing games, but they're crap.

This whole pity Xbox because they're going multi-platform is a reflection of their poor business practices, including Phil Spencer whose just as guilty and was part of the Xbox One reveal and strategy as all others, not what Sony and Nintendo have done right. Xbox's failures are their own doing by their own choices, Sony has a moment of it, and learned from it, and Jim Ryan was taking them back down that path. Whoever replaces him needs more of the Kaz Harai, Jack Tretton, Andrew House approach where customer service and satisfaction is key, not pockets to pick clean

[MeteorPanda]

didnt they restrict kids gaming to like 2 hours a day?

[RiseNShine]

Always funny to see Microsoft say how bad gaming business is after spending billions in trying to create a gaming monopoly.

[Elda]

It's currently not stagnant for Sony PS & Nintendo consoles.

[Markusb33]

He cant be speaking for other platforms, that would be insane

[CptDville]

PR factoids.

[RhinoGamer88]

Phil is still the master of keeping his job when the data shows he and his executive crew should have been fired years ago...

[FyBy]

I was very surprised, that Game pass has only 34M subscribers. It cant justify itself. Absolutely not. But I believe, Xbox can do it with brute force. Maybe COD will lure new subscribers in. One thing is full game price, where even there developers say, that it hardly pays off. Other thing is small game pass fee, where people are happy, that they will save lot of money. How the hell can this pay development, if people save lot of money on games? I cant simply believe, that this can lead to healthy competition and quality games. It seems to me more like destructive behaviour for game industry. Im not saying Sony is like angel. They pay for exclusives. I dont like that too. But still I think, if someone pays studio for example for one year exclusivity, it can still pay off to developers. They will get money from company and can push game on other platforms. Its maybe not so good for players. But if everything would be good to players, maybe games will be free. And there will be no developers at all.....
Maybe Im more pesimistic then the reality is? I dont know.

[jznrpg]

Xbox console market is in decline just like their sales of games, though games sales fell off a cliff for them because of their desperate gamepass move.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

The same customers are buying the next iteration of (insert console name). There’s never been a 200 million PlayStation console. Same 100+ million every gen. That’s not growth.

[Chevalier]

The same people buy COD every year, same with Madden, Fifa etc. So why is it that having consistent revenue from the same people buying now is bad? Pretty sure Activision Blizzard think so too.

[__y2jb]

Endless growth is simply not possible.

[Dandizzle]

Phil just can't stop giving off douche bag vibes

[franwex]

Maybe discs drives are more expensive because they are used less-yes. But compared to 30 years ago with proprietary cartridge slots? I’m sure a $3 trillion dollar company can work out a discount with manufacturers.

[Asterphoenix]

MS hasn't made many good decisions for a long time running the console market.
Like I said if it weren't for MS having the money that they have if it was any other company they would be out of the console race a long time ago.

[PhillyDonJawn]

He's not lying. Numbers will tell you that. I assume some of you don't know what stagnant mean

[HyperMoused]

Well thats because anyone who wanted one probably has one...six year cycle is pretty long.

[Moe-Gunz]

“For You” ~ Bane Voice

[Nacho_Z]

I guess for Xbox a stagnant console market spells doom because it means GP has peaked and their business plan was based on GP expanding.

For Sony it's business as usual, sell a load of consoles, sell a load of games, it's all good.

[HyperMoused]

The play anywhere thing having the games on PC didnt help and, and now bringing xbox games to Sony wont help, its pretty clear MS wants to go away from physical and be all software

[cammers1995]

This dude is so pathetic.
Constantly spreading lies and misinformation. Microsoft needs to fire him before he ruins the brand even more. Xbox brand is stagnant. PlayStation and Nintendo are selling like crazy. Phil Spencer is a cancer.

[neomahi]

Isn't gonna make you much more money, because you have the same number of subscribers that are playing the game for free. I very much doubt that PlayStation fans are gonna jump ship to Game Pass that's $14.99+ a month, why? Because they still have to pay for Xbox Live, in order to play it, and when Call of Duty is all they're gonna play, and they plan to play it for the year, what's $69.99 as a one time payment versus $14.99/mn. They're gonna have to buy an Xbox console that's another $499 and they're serious gamers, right? So they're not gonna get a Series S that's underpowered and could give their competition the edge. And, if they're smart and buy the physical copy, they can trade it in and get some money back, or they keep the disc and play it forever. If the game was old-school, if would have split-screen like GoldenEye or if they could LAN party like Halo then they could LAN party which means if they liked the game enough, they could always go back and play it later. On Game Pass, like Netflix, they come and go. One day it's on Game Pass, the next day it isn't because Game Pass only has so many slots. It's the same on Steam. They buy it once, they don't need Xbox Live or PlayStation Network to play it with friends and PC gaming, unlike consoles, is still free online multiplayer. Need I go on?

[Miacosa]

There is a misconception that magically the large mobile gaming audience that is trained on free to play and 99 cent games will up-convert to spending $10-15 a month renting or spend $70 on title purchases. The fallacy comes in this thought that the upper cap of 300 million core gamers that make up the engaged gaming market can exponentially grow. The mobile audience will not enroll in the numbers necessary to offset the costs that Xbox is incurring to produce the games core gamers want to play. Doing the multi-platform releases on Switch and Playstation is the best way of increasing the piece of the capped 300 million core gamer market.

[tbagmonster]

total bs, if you create something everyone wants, it will sell regardless

[chobit_A5HL3Y]

ms spent nearly a 100 billion dollars the past few years trying to BUY success and not grow their own studios, and what did they get? redfall was complete trash(lol), darktide was actually pretty good, but the devs are stupid af, and bethesda... starfield has got to be one of the most average, generic games in the past decade, and some people actually thought it stood a chance to be goty? l.o.l.

[Stuart5756]

They're not good at gaming, simples. Rich enough to pretend they are, rich enough to appear as though they are, but dumb enough to release tremendously faulty hardware, annoy and ostracize their best devs, arrogant enough to spend stupid money buying up IP's/studios and naive enough to act like the whole industry is in the same position as them when really they're just the school bully that turns around one day and goes 'hey, where did all my cretin followers go? Have they realised I'm horrible and gone to play in the other, nicer, more fun playground?'

Yes. We all have

[Unknown_Gamer5794]

Another day, another interview by the leader of the third place console claiming he knows anything about the market.

[Minute Man 721]

It is for everyone

[neomahi]

Look at him continue to gripe and complain. Xbox goes multiplatform so everyone starts saying everyone else should. When did everyone start backing Xbox? Or maybe it's just the Xbox crowd with the Xbox Live mentality just just throw fits and the PlayStation community are mature enough to just ignore it but now everyone says "Oh, Sony should do the same thing!"

Look if Nintendo, who all they do is gaming, that's it, no end-to-end ecosystem like Sony, and no services like Microsoft, aren't even on PC yet, then the gaming industry isn't in that condition everyone thinks it is, so I don't know why PlayStation are even on PC. The PS5 is selling well enough and if the industry looks to Nintendo as the authority on how to manage the business, then having 100% console exclusivity is a solid way to go.

Xbox just can't bear the fact they've lost so in Phil's mind "I'm not going to go down alone!"