Ghostwire: Tokyo on Xbox Series X Worse Than PS5 in Terms of Resolution, FPS, Ray Tracing

Microsoft may own Ghostwire: Tokyo developer Tango Gameworks, but the new Xbox port is inferior across the board.

[Jin_Sakai]

When a Microsoft first party studio puts out a better game on PS5. Lol

• Worse Ray Traced Reflections
• RT Shadow misalignment
• Lower Resolution
• Up to 13% lower FPS

[Lightning77]

Yeah so much for MS trying to sabotage the PS version of games. Jim Ryan made that claim with COD.

Is MS doing this on purpose? Probably not.

[IamTylerDurden1]

Maybe they just have bad hardware and did the best they could on xb? Maybe S was a factor? Who knows?

[The Wood]

Ryan is talking about future iterations

[crazyCoconuts]

MS can easily "fix" this problem in exactly that way. If this bad press gets the attention of the Eye of Sauron this won't happen again

[kayoss]

MS is just plain incompetent, period. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure this out.

[SullysCigar]

Yeah, this is a tough pill to swallow.

Just seems like the latest example of studios mis-firing once stuck in the Microsoft swamp. We all know what happened to Rare, we're seeing right now the trouble Arkane/Bethesda are having getting a game that looks and plays like Redfall to run above 30fps on series X and now we're seeing the downgrade for an existing game in Ghostwire Tokyo.

I wonder if Microsoft are just so desperate to get some games out that they're pushing the devs too hard and ending up with unpolished/unfinished products, just to hit their preferred release schedule? Or perhaps, in this case, the devs are committing to a release date on the mis-guided preconception that the series XS will be as easy and quick to develop for as the PS5 was?

[darkrider]

Remember the excuse of Sony got marketing deals... Yeah... They must also have with redfall....

[Abracadabra]

There goes Sony's theory that Microsoft would put a inferior version of their games on PS5. LOL.

[IamTylerDurden1]

Dumb af. A game that was deep in development before the deal was official, that launched a year early on PS5 would not be sabotaged ffs. They want the initial impressions of the game to be good. It wasn't a simultaneous release. They wouldn't kill their game with a garbage version day 1 just to spite Sony. Not when that was the only console at launch. Lord you try-hard fanboys are weak mfers. Childish, half formed arguments that are moronic.

Let's kill our game at launch with a broken version so it fails and then a year later release a superior version on XB that f***ing nobody will care about because the game's rep will already be in the toilet. At least have thoughtful and well supported arguments if u want to fanboy. God help the social media gaming wars. Sad, weak, rhetoric from those who can't form compelling, new ideas or rational arguments of their own.

[Abracadabra]

Yes you're so right, people that don't understand sarcasm are dumb af...

[Ninver]

@iamTylerDurden

Rip em a new one mate

[kayoss]

Well Sony is right. They know that MS cant even make their game look good, what you think they can make a PS5 version of the game look good?

[gangsta_red]

Looks like Sony sabotaged their timed exclusive for Xbox! Someone call the FTC!

[IamTylerDurden1]

What? A jk that Sony sabotaged the XB version? Ok, i can dig but the FTC comment showed your true colors. Gangsta green? Change it. But ofc there should be no regulation in business. Great point. Let the biggest companies do anything they want. Brilliant. It's always the best thing. MS should buy Embracer and Tencent next. It helps competition. And how dare Sony oppose industry altering acquisitions that clear impact competition and revenue. No company would fight something that could drastically impact them for the negative. Petty Sony with their political connections. Luckily MS isn't petty nor has political connections. Idc if ppl can't tell sarcasm or simply disagree. 99% of fans are mouth breathing muppets with regurgitated, uninteresting thought. Both sides.

[gangsta_red]

...wow...a bit of advice, learn the art of subtle sarcasm instead of insane rantings.

[CBaoth]

nice deflection. You can't even admit that a MS dev had almost a year to fine tune an UNREAL engine IP (cuz you know MS studios are allegedly masters of Unreal lol) to perfection to illustrate the differences between the two consoles and couldn't. These are the Hi-Fi Rush guys by golly. You know your GOTY dev of 2022 with the bestest game evar....well since that 2D sidescroller came and went. So much for scaling huh? Series G rears its ugly head again. No wonder they cancelled the PS5 version of Starfield, they can't handle the fallout (pun intended)

[gangsta_red]

You should really start charging rent instead of letting MS live rent free in your head.

[masterfox]

xbox series x should cost 350 dlls and the S 150 bucks imo.

[thesoftware730]

What a dumb opinion lol.

[ChasterMies]

Oh, they will, just like the Xbox One and Xbox One S fire sales during last gen.

[SoulWarrior]

It's on gamepass so none of this matters.

[luckytrouble]

I'm pretty sure gamepass isn't supposed to be an excuse for games to be ported badly. Maybe try having some standards.

[SoulWarrior]

Sorry I should have left a /s on this lol.

[AmUnRa]

You forget the /s.....

[BrainSyphoned]

That is certainly how MS brass sees the gaming division.

[Destiny1080]

inferior in every possible way, from there own studio

well they did say it would take two are three years before we witness the extra 10% power

[z2g]

I’m sure it will get patched up. They always do…. On both sides.

[Bathyj]

Well that's all fine then.

[kingnick]

Microsoft need to do a much better job of polishing games before release. Just because their games are on Game Pass that's not an excuse to release games that clearly need more time and polish.

[Bathyj]

And Sony is worried about Microsoft gimping their games on PlayStation? It's the other way round. There's a school of thought going around that Microsoft are deliberately making games no one would buy to make gamepass more attractive.

But seriously no one still believes that worlds most powerful console talk anymore do they? Microsoft don't even say that anymore.

[Elda]

I'm playing it again on the PS5.

[Rimeskeem]

I think it's clear that Sony actually worked with devs to make their console. I mean, they worked directly with Epic to make UE5. They have also given loads of resources to their devs to actually make in-house engines. Besides ForzaTech and SlipSpace, MS pretty much relies on third-party engines such as Unity, UE, and whatever the developer they are working with has made.

In contrast, Sony has helped develop:
PhyreEngine
Naughty Dog's
Decima
BubbleBath
Kinetica
GT Sport engine
UE5

[kingnick]

Epic would have closely worked with Microsoft on the creation of the Xbox Series, the same is true for Sony and the PS5. Epic is the same company that told Microsoft 256MB of RAM was insufficient and 512MB of RAM was necessary on the Xbox360 and Microsoft obliged.

The reason Microsoft did not include more proprietary tech like Sony did with RAD Tool's Kraken decompression technology and accompanying hardware is all these extra processors and subsystems have to be accounted for in future console emulation layers and Microsoft has to worry about game compatibility with PC as well.

For better and worse developers have gotten used to porting to/from PC<>Xbox being a relatively simple affair.

TLoU Part 1 is an example of how developing a game around a non-industry standard can come back to bite developers in the arse when it comes time to port their games. We're probably going to see more of the same issues from Sony games ported to PC.

It's also partly why Forespoken on PC was so lousy and required so much RAM as the game was clearly lazily optimised for PC, they didn't even do a good job on PS5 with some baffling tech choices.

Microsoft spending a lot of money on new game engines isn't a wise idea given the current state of their recent past and current output, they need to focus on creating good/great games.

[BehindTheRows]

The Last Of Us is one example and bad one at that. Sony has now released plenty of games on PC and hardly any of them have had those problems.

Exception =! The Rule

[gold_drake]

the ignorance and stupidity of some of the com.ents here haha.

"SONY MADE IT WORSE ON XBOX"

get a grip haha

[Destiny1080]

that's what its looking like, right know

the facts are simple, the xbox version has been sabotaged and its looking like an inside job

more details will be released in the coming weeks

[andy85]

Or its just the fact that this extra power on paper isn't what it's cracked up to be? So many times Sony have come out ahead when in practice with the extra power it shouldn't do once. Maybe the talk about the dedicated audio chip freeing up performance and the split ram was actually correct. And obviously only one system spec not two to optimise for makes it easier too.

[gold_drake]

ur using strong words right there.

the facts are not simple, just because its running like shit on xbox. its not rinning smoothly on ps5 either.

[kingnick]

It wasn't sabotaged, it just wasn't given as much care and attention as the PS5 version of the game. Happens all the time with Xbox and PC ports so I'm not at all surprised.

[AmUnRa]

O boy you are realy delusional, dont deflect the mess what MS is doing on PS, demand better from MS. But you guys are blinded by the MS pr that you dont see whats going on....

[Games1st]

It’s designed for PS5 first then ported to Xbox. It is rushed to gamepass.

Xbox is harder to develop for meanwhile PS5 is similar to PS4 dev tools.

[kingnick]

The main problem with the SDK for the Xbox Series was it wasn't ready early enough whereas the PS5 SDK was in a better shape at a comparable points leading up to launch and sometime after launch. Developers haven't been complaining about the state of the Xbox SDK for a while now.

Really a quite baffling series of events as the PS4/XO > PS5/XS hardware share a lot more commonalities then most other console transitions.

It seems like Microsoft is rushing games to fill deadspots in their yearly pipeline but given Ghostwire wasn't technically impressive on PS5 either it's probably mostly a case of developer shortcomings.

[Aussieguy]

I think MS only really have Turn 10 that can make amazing graphics for their consoles. Everyone else needs to learn how to get the most out of their consoles.

Sony on the other hand have: Naught Dog, Guerilla games, Insomniac and a couple of more. I cant remember them now, as I only own a Series X this gen and not up to date on Sony's Devs anymore.

[kingnick]

Sony are better at sharing tech between their studios too. Maybe if Microsoft had fully developed the Slipspace engine in-house using a variety of talent from different MS studios it'd be in far better shape.

Hopefully MS learn their lessons and stop outsourcing to temporary contractors wherever possible, that's one of their biggest issues.

[46player]

And no haptic feedback. If you don’t own a PS5, better that you don’t know the difference. Just stick with Xbox and keep hoping for more 1st party games.

[kingnick]

A lot of people myself included turn off rumble for better battery life and because I don't want the extra vibration as I've had enough of that due to past jobs I've worked using handheld tools.

Just because you see value in something doesn't mean everyone will or value said thing to the same extent.

I'd say quality of games is MS's biggest issue going forward as they've got tons of games in the pipeline but will they be good/great or disappointing like most of MS's current gen efforts have been. The reviews Halo Infinite got IMO were crazy given it felt more like a beta to me.

[Redemption-64]

This just throws shit in the face of all those who accused Sony of paying to make Xbox versions of some games worse. What is your excuse now? Is Sony paying Microsoft to make the Xbox version of one of these own games worse?

[StarkR3ality]

The game ran like shit on PS5 at times so if it's worse on Xbox then by god avoid 😂

I remember an interview that Epic did with DF back when the 2 consoles first released and the Dev kit on PS5 was very similar to PS4, where as the one with the Xbox was much different and was harder to get more out of.

Reminds me of PS3 but obviously flipped, if you give the on paper better specs to a Dev to take advantage of then you'll see the difference. If it's a Dev that's either unwilling or incapable of getting the most out the hardware you're screwed and it'll be worse across the board.

The bad thing is, is that Xbox has maybe 3 Devs that I have confidence in that will show off the hardware, Turn 10, Coalition and Ninja Theory.

The rest of their what feels like a 100 studios at this point, I wouldn't trust to hard boil my eggs, not good enough.

[kingnick]

The Evil Within games made odd tech choices too and I never particularly liked the look of id Tech 5 used by The Evil Within and the derivative engine used in The Evil Within 2.

[shadowT]

Lower quality, but Xbox Game Pass

[SinisterMister]

The industry is heading downhill.

[InUrFoxHole]

Face palm xbox

[YourMommySpoils]

Typical Xbox inferiority. Upgrading their duracell controls should be their first step.

[Youngindy21]

Xbox has rechargeable batteries. You just have to purchase them.

[gleepot]

The thing about digital foundry is: nobody cares