Why NOW Is The Time To Abandon Ship On The Wii

SlapStic.com editor Ryan Rigney explains why he recently sold his Wii, and why he believes all hardcore gamers are cheating themselves if they don't follow suit.

[Nathan Drake]

If I were you I'd wait until Nintendo start playing the "We can't make enough Wiis to meet demand!" card,that way you can make an easy profit off ebay/craigslist.

I expect them to resume their shenanigans sometime in February,so hold on just a little longer

[RKRigney]

In the article I specifically mention that the Wii is selling on Amazon for about $320. That's a $70 profit if you bought yours at retail.

[IdleLeeSiuLung]

The console that used to get the least playtime was my PS3, but it is now the Wii. PS3 finally got a decent game library and the Wii, well it has a craptacular game library except for Zack and Wiki, Metal Slug Anthology....

[dexterwang]

Agreed... I abandoned wii long ago and just sold my Wii this xmas to a buddy of mine... hope he doesn't come knocking on my door anytime soon...

Wii is dead for hardcore gamers but I used to use it at parties to get everyone to do some casual gaming... and it worked great. But now I got Rockband, singstar and LBP for ps3, which rocks in parties, and my Wii sat for a long while collecting dust.

[rockleex]

I just don't like it when people tell me the Wii IS aimed towards gamers like me!

Really? Cause if it WAS targeted at gamers like me, then I WOULD be interested in it!

Even my hardcore Nintendo friends are backing away from the Wii. They are now looking towards PS3 and 360 for their gaming fix.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with this because the Wii will still sell outrageously to "non-gamers" for lack of a better term. And yes, that's the main audience that Nintendo is targeting with the Wii.

[mint royale]

I don't need people telling me what or what not to buy or sell. If your happy with the wii then play it if not then sell it. What is this guy? A damn salesman?! The wii has a few decent games coming out soon so I will check them out and pass judgement on them myself unlike many on here who will never play them but just call them crap.

@drake - nintendo never played that card - the popularity of the wii took them by suprise and it takes time to buy new factories and set them up. Thats why it took a while to increase production. But last april tehy increased production from 1.6 million a month to 2.4 million a month to meet demand and will likely increase this again to 3.2 million a month next april. Good enough?

[Thatlalala]

This is what will happen if Nintendo's crappy shovelware like WiiPlay continue to outsell the the MGS's, the GTA's, the Halo's, the Bioshocks, these games and these experiences will dissapeer. Developer's are already starting to notice that you can still sell millions of copy's of a crappy games to retards with a dev cost of $100. Me being the Hardcore RPG and FPS fan, wants those big name games, so I will continue to support the consoles that offer me those experiences,so devs can still see there is an actual "Gamer" fan base, and not a fan base that consists of my grandma her friends, and my 6 year old sister.

[mint royale]

Are you saying there will be no MGS5, GTA5, Zelda, FF14? That is just an irrational fear bourne out of jealousy of the wii's success. One minute 3rd parties aren't supporting hte wii, the next there going to cancel all their projects and put shvelware on the wii. Which is it? And have you even looked at the wii's lineup next year before bashing it? It is far from just shovelware.

[Thatlalala]

Yeah for now. It's obivous the the Dev Team behind WiiPlay has made way more profit the even GTA. With having a smaller team and a lower dev cost there's more of the pie to go around to everyone. How long until other third party dev's catch on and actually make good games for the wii. As soon as CoD or Madden is actually good on the Wii you'll see them starting to abandoned the other two consoles, it's just smart busniess, bigger install base, lower dev cost= bigger profits.

[mint royale]

CoD games will still be made. But instead they may have worse graphics with better controls. When the xbox 720, wii HD and ps4 all release in 2011/2012 then maybe we will get the best of both worlds.

[Anon1974]

I was talking to a co-worker who's wife wanted a Wii and he thought this was the perfect time to get her into videogames. We started pricing it out, The Wii, extra controller, charge kit, old school controllers for old Nintendo games and we realized that it came out to the same price as a PS3. I tried to convince him that he should go that route, (or even the 360) to take advantage of his new hi-def TV but he was adamant that his wife wouldn't play them if he did. That's when the light bulb went on in my head and I realized, I don't play may Wii. It's been untouched for over a year. I kept holding out hope for a great game that I'd just have to play - but I don't have time to play all the great games on my PS3 right now as it is.

I sold him mine my Wii before Christmas with everything for $400. I hope he gets more use out of it then I did.

[IzKyD1331]

On ebay, Wiis are going for over 350(for just the console), I'm thinking about selling my Wii but I'm waiting for the mega drought before I do (yes, I really do have a Wii, despite my hatred for Nintendo this generation)

[Voiceofreason]

Yes selling more console in a month than Sony sales in 6 is all off of fake demand for the console..You are the perfet example of a SOnyn sheep. Your ingnorance knows no bounds. Even when reality proves you wrong in true moronic fashion you keep on saying the same thing over and over again... Sadly you are probably so inbred you actually feel you have a valid point. However anyone with even a 10th of their brain working can figure out you do not become the best of all time in sales by holding back shipments. Than again any 3rd grader could have figured it out after 2 years.. No its only single digit IQ Sony fans that seem to be so ignorant they cant even grasp something so simple.

[Gue1]

The Wii is a piece of crap that it's hurting the core market. Thanks to Nintendo now we have a half-assed DQIX for DS... Who that **** plays a 30 hour jrpg on a freaking portable for gods sake! Only japanese do this kind of ****. This game deserves to be on consoles but not on the Wii but on X360/PS3. And what about Monster Hunter 3? Another game that going to be another half-assed quick buck using the not so innovative Wii aspects... So sad.

The Wii's good to play **** like Wii-fit and other crappy games that we don't care.

[Homicide]

I don't think there was a reason to buy a Wii in the first place.

[SaiyanFury]

I never boarded the ship. I got my Xbox 360 in November of 2006 and my PS3 in December of the same year. I've never had a Wii, but 2 of my friends who owned a Wii sold it in favour of a PS3 merely because they became bored with it. My wife has one but she rarely plays on it.

[JD_Shadow]

Why is it that every time someone says something you don't agree with, you automatically assume they're some Sony fanboy? How do you know he doesn't have or like the 360? Part of the reason why PS3 owners get such a bad rep like they do on this site is because people like you never stop labeling people as ignorant fanboys so easily.

It IS true that companies will hold back production to increase demand. This is called BUSINESS! If you have seen reality, then please enlighten us about it, because we're more than willing to see the "REAL" figures you have. No, I don't agree with this article (he said that he didn't want ANOTHER good FPS because he had a 360, which screams ignorance right there, and the original S&P was awesome, and I didn't know they WERE making a sequel to it). I really wish they would get to releasing Earthbound on the VC already since it's going at a snails pace to get that on there when every RPG fan seems to want Nintendo to get it on there. However, even though I own a Wii and hope that Nintendo at least balances this whole thing out soon because I like the system, I'm constantly being labeled a PS3 fanboy because of some of my views against the 360. Me owning a Wii (OR a DS) gets completely ignored, like you're doing and ignoring that some 360 owners will also own a Wii.

Again, why the ignorant labeling? And why is it that you got away with blasting him for what you just assumed without even proving one single point you made?

....wait, did you even HAVE a point in that diatribe besides "shut up, Sony fanboy"?

(Oh, btw, I KNOW Nathan prefers the PS3, but he never said he hated the 360, and he's not the only one that gets labeled as a *PS3* fanboy way too quickly).

EDIT: Nevermind. I just looked at some of your other comments you made on this article. That's really all you have: Calling people Sony fanboys automatically as if it's ONLY Sony people that ever trash a system. All of this while insulting EVERYONE who you have any sort of disagreement with. Kind of ridiculous that we HAVE to agree with you on EVERY SINGLE LITTLE THING or else we're Sony fanboys somehow.

Seriously, did someone at Sony kill your dog or something?

[Anon1974]

He seems upset at something, but for the life of me I can't figure out what. Did someone say the Wii wasn't doing well in sales? I don't see it.
He's upset at something Sony did, or maybe a Sony fan did to him but for the life of me, reading through the posts I can't seem to pinpoint who on earth he's responding too. The guy probably checks under his bed for Sony fans at night.

I question the motives of anyone that posts online for the sole purpose of slamming a group of fans. Stick to the topics dude. When you can't make your point and just resort to insulting others, it's time to take a break.

[iseven]

thought it was cool playing games with my parents. everyone was really into that system. 2 months later, it's collecting dust. There no good games out there for it! Now, I have to save up for either an Xbox or a PS3.

[RKRigney]

There ARE good games for the Wii. Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Super Mario Galaxy, Boom Blox, Mario Kart Wii, The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Super Paper Mario, Geometry Wars: Galaxies, Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, World of Goo, and Toki Tori are all great. It's just that for about a year almost nothing good has been released on the system and it doesn't look like anything will in the future. "Hardcore" just isn't the direction Nintendo is headed anymore.

[Mahr]

"Super Smash Bros. Brawl... Mario Kart Wii... Boom Blox... World of Goo, and Toki Tori are all great"

"So I had only purchased ONE good game for my Wii in 2008."

So the latter four are great but... not worth purchasing?

[RKRigney]

I play Mario Kart Wii at my Girlfriend's, Boom Blox was a gift, and I played World of Goo on PC. You're right about me forgetting Toki Tori in the article though.

[Sarcasm]

The Wii has some good games, but come on folks. It's just targeted (obviously) towards a different crowd now.

I used to have that anti-Wii feeling like a lot of people do. But it's changed. After seeing how happy it makes my niece and nephew, and a few of my other younger friends. I'm all for it. The Wii isn't the doom and gloom of the games industry as people are making it out to be.

The only problem I think people should have against the Wii is the shovelware. Now there's no real excuse for that, and those developers are just trying to cash in on a quick buck.

But for you "H8RdC0r3" gamers out there, just enjoy your PS3/360's in peace. There's plenty of games coming out still and there always will be. Just as long as there's developers like Epic Games, Kojima Productions, Insomniac, etc. etc. there will always be hardcore games and just as long as we keep buying them.

[Thatlalala]

No, its just that MGS4, GeoW2, Res2, Fable 2, Left4Dead, GTA4, and Fallout 3,are better games for the hardcore gamer. Hence the the reference in the title to "Hardcore" gamers.

[OGharryjoysticks]

If you could rainbow all the levels in Pixel Junk Monsters you are a monster.

[NNNW]

.... but with 2 players.. lol

[ElementX]

I'm putting mine on Craig's List tomorrow. I used to have a 34" tv and wii looked alright, now with my new 46" the games look pixelated and rather unplayable.

[Mr Tretton]

I will never get on the ship to begin with.

[tiberious151]

Nah, Im saving mine for 09. Theres a few games that look pretty good, so will see how they pan out. I like something different once in a while and the wii does good in this area.

[mastiffchild]

if you were gonna sell your Wii the time was last jan not now. There's a lot of interesting games coming out this year for gamers on the Wii. I can't wait for MP1 and 2(hopefully with the mooted online multiplayer)remakes, Madworld, The Conduit, Cursed Mountain, Fatal Frame 4, S&P2, Punchout!!, NMH2(how did he miss playing that one last year-great game), Deadly Creatures, New Pikmin, Red Steel2(I've heard UBi are really pushing the boat out on this one after the firsts failure and with Motion Plus and Wii Speak support for the new online element it should be great)and a host of others including a few decent RPG's and VC/Wiiware releases(I loved both WoG and Lostwinds last year).
No, the Wii hasn't had the games recently and so far third party games have been basically poor(hats off to Z&W, NMH and Boomblox last year while Okami was better than the original like Resi4)but I really think it's changing this year and I'm glad to still have both my Wii and PS3. I think I'll play more PS3 than Wii again this year but it might be closer as both Ninty and third party developers do more for gamers(and to educate the new audience who won't buy party games forever and WILL want real gaming as they go on-if Nintendo don't adress this they may lose the new lot to Sony and MS and that's why there's a leaning back to better games this year. Third parties also know the huge install base of the Wii is an untapped market that needs games now it hasn't gone away so expect more and more better stuff for the little white box).
So , again, I'm happy to have the Wii for both the different controls(really hope the Conduit gives us the shooter we expected with good online this time as the controls deserve better)and the change it offers. Plus some of the Wii games this year look really interesting and different(playing Spore Wars at a shop and it looks gorgeous even on Wii)from anything on offer from the HD consoles(not that I won't be playing KZ2, Uncharted2 or FF13 and GOW3 this year but still).Fatal Frame4 and Deadly Creatures especially look different to games on PS360 so the Wii might surprise a few in the coming months.Also expect a new Zelda by Xmas(announced at E3 2009 I predict along with, I pray, a new Kid Icarus(seriously Ninty how many times has this rumour failed to die-it's what people want!))and a few more heavy hitters too(Wii game for Resi from Capcom is another almost cert for 2010). Good to have around as MP3,NMH,SMG, Okami,LoZ:TP,SSBB are games I still pop in even now and this term the 3rd party devs are giving gamers much more and some of the stuff is much more inventive for Wii.Yeah, there should be more but I do think it's coming and because of the Wii's differences it has to be more inventive and thats good for gamers everywhere.

[Panthers]

This is a good article and the reason I never got one. I always have fun when I play it, but that is because I barely ever play the thing. I know it would get old fast and the games would never last. I knew that when the thing released. I cant believe so many true gamers bought into it.

[Mini Mario]

Well i still play mine the most for the exclusives alone. Plus the old gems that are hard to get. Super mario RPG was never realeased in Australia (or urope) so playing these games (and not on my computer :-s) finally after so long was almost like getting a new game. Guess if u live in the US u wouldnt really understand...its all good i dont expect u to.

Ps3/360...very similar librabry...very few exclusives. BUt still good games none the less (too bad they couldnt combined their librabry and make a single system...but hey that's cRaZy talk, *cough*). I play my ps3 for fighting games mainly, like tekken, dbz, street fighter, sorry i just hate the 360 D pad.

Altho for some reason i still cant SSF2 Turbo HD yet on the PSN, even tho Live has it....

But in the end the controls for the wii are flawless on a FPS (if devs are lazy and careless), and im pretty sure there are a few more coming out this year.

[SprayandPreycom]

then i realized that it dosent have a hard drive to save any of the games so at most you could get like 5

i just bought a yobo instead and have been collecting the old school ones the yobo can use the old school N.E.S. controllers 2 i got about 50 games so far

so i didnt buy a wii but heres a vid of the new WII MASCOT MUST SEE !!! THE NEW WII MASCOT

[Voiceofreason]

with 512mb of memory and Nes games are only 1-5 megs, you honestly that stupid you think it can only hold 5? Just another example of someone whose hate for Wii is based off of their ignorance more than anything else.

[Lon3wolf]

I sold my Wii within 3 months of owning one the majority of games released were just dire (not the Wii's fault I hasten to add). For me Nintendos quality control on 3rd party games just hit rock bottom. There were some good ones Zack and Wiki stand out from the ones I played.

[stpiio]

What were you thinking nintendo!

Probably, Money > Hardcore gamers

[Senden]

Lol come on.. hardcore gamers abandoned the wii after the gimmick became old (generally 1-2 weeks!) There is a reason why the majority of wii articles you see here are purely sales figures.. why? because it lacks quality games. Look at every single website/tv show that does their favourite games of the year.. the wii has like a total of two games on there and one is only there because of it's gimmick.

[darkequitus]

I had two consoles that gathered dust. The PS3 in the early days(sort so it gets love now) and the wii after 2 weeks (too many games, vast majority being shovelware. I did myself a favour and gave it to my nieces where it would be put to better use. Even they now want a 360.
The VC was the best part of it.

I have nothing against the wii, just nintendo allow and untold amount of shovel to plague the system. However that is nintendo all over. They have always gone where the money is. The wii is this deacde Rubiks,ScoobyDoo, HulaHoop, Space Hopper, Cabbage Patch Kid, power Ranger.

[Voiceofreason]

Another moron trying to make a case with no proof to back it up.. Lets look at the FACTS shall we there Sony fanboy? BTW nic of you to hold on to the PS3 for over a year before it got any AAA games but you sale the WIi in a week of it not.. Easy to see your bias. Anyway lets look at facts, something you Sony fans refuse to do because facts show your console is a complete POS that never gets played.Casual Wii games = Wii sports(free nobody buys it),Wii play(10.00 game that comes with a remote),Wii Musice, Wii fit. ok now for their core releases. Zelda, SPM, Mario Strikers, SMG, Metroid,Fire Emblem, Wario Land shake it, MKWii.. Now maybe its me but someone would have to be a complete moron to think they abandoned any of their real fans(brainless Sony fanboys dont count as Nintendo fans) or just a clueless moron of a Sony fan trying to convince others of his beliefs through ignorance.

[elorm9]

Before you go on making such accusations, I hope you realize that it's not just Sony fanboys who are against the Wii.

[farhsa2008]

Now is the time? I would have said the day after it was released, it is a complete gimmick with very little games to back it up

[SpartanGR]

The only reason i still have my Wii is VC and a couple of future games like Dragon Warrior and Fatal Frame.

[oldsnayke]

I don't like the approach that Nintendo is taking. They are no longer focusing on hardcore gamers, it's all turning to a "family thing". "Buy our console so you can play it with your FAMILY!" I am quite sure that 90% of true gamers prefer to play their games by themselves or with friends. They're not going to play Resident Evil with their paralyzed grandmother.

[ChickeyCantor]

How old are you? you sound like you missed loads of years.
Nintendo was always after families. But they failed at it times after times resulting in core gamers buying their system and little to no "casual" gamers.

Nintendo always went for the friendly image why the hell do you think most of miyamoto's work comes out as a cartoon based game?

[SaiyanFury]

Technically, Sidar's right Nintendo always pursued the "family friendly" image. Although I do think they've gone too far with that image this gen.

[ChickeyCantor]

eeee...
Isn't this what they wanted?
So how did they take it to far? i don't get it.

Meh people are just scared it will take over the world and "core" games will collapse into a black hole of doom

[N4g_null]

I don't know I don't mind nintendo's approach this gen. I'm working more than playing games now yet I'm happy with 09. 08 had it's moments but as a whole the industry is only catering to the casual core. The industry's biggest problem is PC gamer invade. Lots of PC like gamers this gen. They all call them selves hardcore too. It's almost like they are trying to be cool.

Sure every one is in to some thing different but if you started on the PS then yeah the Wii is not for you. Yet if you've been playing since the 2600 or atari then please realize gaming may not be for you any more.

The funny thing is HD consoles are the reason why companies are shutting down not the Wii. These hardcore gamers are not buying these games... because there are not as many any more... Seriously the HD games are simply on the wrong system it seems because the gamers that give stuff a chance are still playing the Wii and loving it.

I find the same guys that hate the Wii are the ones that will end up killing their own HD system of choice by not buying that HD game they keep hyping or either hype a game in away that other gamers don't really care.

It's weird but the new mix of gamers remind me of metrosexuals... very confused in a strange new land some time. I know I'll loose bubbles but you guy seem to complain more than relaying what is so cool about what you are playing.

Rarely do I find true fans of gaming on this site any more. Back in the day a hardcore gamer played and tried every thing. Well because he was hardcore.... That's why they loved japan.

I'm glad these guys don't want a Wii... let them move on... Why keep bad attitude in your company?

Besides the best is coming...
Monsterhunter3
TVSC
conduit
motion plus
Steel Battalion Coming to Wii confirmed(how hardcore is that!)
Sin and punishment2
Madworld
nomoreheros2
That sweet 2d ninja game by vanillaware
And that giant killer game made by the guys that did final fantasy.

I don't know gamers these days just jump on what ever is the next power ranger in their lives I guess.

the end of 08 didn't have lots of games but hey neither did the other systems.
Fall out, little big planet,... Help me out guys because I didn't see any thing I wanted to play other wise?

Hell you guys got soul calibar... is any one still playing that? Probably not because you guys are not really hardcore gamers. The same will happen to Street fighter 4 watch and capcom knows this. I mean bomber man to the VC games are keeping busy and some quake wars.

HD gaming will fail because they are catering to wanna be hardcore gamers. The hate on this site along shows how much fun you guys are actually having playing games.... Which isn't much.

[kobonline]

If you really think that Nintendo is hurting the industry, I suggest that you do some research and check the facts.

Nintendo is doing more positive things for the industry right now than MS or Sony...

They are bringing new people into gaming across the board.

I hardly play my Wii, but when the family comes around, it's an instant party machine, so it has it's role.

Nothing but haters, Kill yourselves.

[Parapraxis]

Bringing in new people, that's great.
Leaving your long time deditacted fanbase behind and not making more than 1 game a year for them, that's a failure.
It's not as though Nintnendo can't afford to put out a good amount of "hardcore" titles every year to keep their traditional fanbase happy.

[resistance100]

"Nintendo is doing more positive things for the industry right now than MS or Sony... "

In the short term yes, in the long term who knows. The casual market is a risky one and it can all backfire on Nintendo very quickly and then the industry could be in a worse state than it was before.

And also what you have failed to mention is that Nintendo is also doing more Negitive things to the industry than MS or Sony.

Still just because they are doing positive things, doesn't make the console any good. Nintendo forgot about us and now i won't ever go back to them ( i was preatty much a Nintendo Fanboy for years). Xbox and PlayStation is were i game now.

[madpuppy]

The Wii is a disease and if we are not careful it will infect every developer and Console maker in the industry. The desire for the almighty dollar will kill innovation and strangle all the art out of games till we all have to deal with watered down light casual games with no soul.

[darkequitus]

You to appreciate that nintendo has stuck two fingers up at the people who made them what they are. Do they owe anything? yes. Hardcore gamers will buy games no matter what. Casual gamer see his more as a luxury.
Again, I am not against the wii, just the fact that amoung all the shovelware, nintendo has put a little or no effort into the hardcore sector.

[Voiceofreason]

I bet the 4 ppl that are crying back not only never owned a Wii but own a PS3 and are just pissed off Sony fanboys who want to try to convince anyone they can Wii is bad. You're all idiots who need to banned from the gamer zone... Not one of you can back up any of your claims with any facts. PS2 library proves anything you say about the Wii hurting the industry wrong. The Wii's game releases prove that they are not leaving anyone out. Sales prove that gamers buy more Wii games than anything else. It amusing to see die hard SOny fanboys that would buy Pong and consider it next gen if it was only on PS3 trying to slam another console because its owners actually play it.. Lets not forget there SDF girls that PS3 gets the LEAST amount of play time.

[madpuppy]

@Voiceofreason

I happen to have a PS3 and Xbox 360 and the Wii. in my home. The Wii has been moved to the small tv in the third room for when the Kids come over. and you know what, they nag me to let them play the other 2 consoles.
To me that is telling. eventually all that will be left will be Rehabs and old folks homes.

[tonsoffun]

you know what?

I hate all this nonsense: the Wii is aimed at an entirely different crowd than those who would described as 'hardcore'

I understand why some people don't like the Wii, but even if you purely look at it as a gateway to serious games, then the Wii has a lot going for it.

The games are fun and mindless. You should know by now what you are getting yourself into.

[darkequitus]

Nintendo never said they were abandoning the hardcore for the casual market. That is the point. It would be different if they did, at least we would know where we stood. Instead, because i has all taken off for them, hey go where they think where the most money is. No problem with that. However, they palm off saying they do hardcore. When the reggit character was challenge on that at E3, he could only come up with a pathetic response

I bought the we partly because of the something new hype to complement my 360 and PS3, but I did not expect to have very little but shovelware to play with.

[tonsoffun]

I do agree that ninty should just stop the pandering: if they are going to abandon the hardcore, they may aswel admit it. I for one, don't mind.

I know what the wii is and so should everyone by now.

Bubbles to you bud

[madpuppy]

It is for very young children and people who find a game controller like the 360/PS as confusing as flying a fighter jet. I would put the Wii in the same category as those v-tec video game machines and the Leapfrog learning system....except you don't learn anything except how imprecise the Wii controller is.

[Voiceofreason]

Never touched one, you're 12, this is your first gen of gaming, You were dropped on your head as a child... Trying to come up with a reason for you to be as retarded as you are and ignorant as well.

[madpuppy]

you are a foul and angry person. You must be a metallica fan.

[-SIXAXIS-]

You should've abandoned Wii the minute it came out.

[kesvalk]

oh look, someone named SIXAXIS bashing the Wii... hummmmm...

now go to hell...

[Enigma_2099]

...so they spend 2008 telling you that the PS3 will fail, now their New Years resolution is to tell you you should do the same for the Wii?

Lemme guess... they think that the 360 is the way to go, right?

[SwiftArsonist]

hardcore gamers = ps3 and 360. casual and little kids = wii. pick one and move on.

[Roth]

I've said this all along. Wii is for casual gamers, its a good entry for people to get into gaming.

But all the hardcore gamers that got a Wii, I knew they'd get bored and eventually need an Xbox 360 or PS3. Wii isn't a bad system, its fun, but its not for the hardcore gamer.

[Boty]

You should never abandon you console, just because someone said to. Its not right. Even though I am a PlayStation guy doesn't mean I want any of the consoles to fail. I hate the Wii and the 360 but I don't want some Wii or 360 owner to give up what they love just because the media or some friend said to.

Gaming FTW!

[celldomceen1]

Rather harsh right there I like the wii the only problem is that I rarely play so at this point I can't justify the purchase its fine for a party but more people in my circle want to play gh or rb2 and that being said I can't have enough parties to play the Wii as much as I would like because IMO there is nothing to play alone. How many times can you play zelda or Mario?

[Gr81]

Whatta joke. And now we have the fanboys out and about echoing the same non sense. Unreal. Yeah, I'm gonna listen to some goober on what I should do and when I should do it. New years resolution I hoped for N4g to make was to stop posting nonsensical articles, o well.

I can't believe two years later we are still seeing the whole "casual gamerz vs hardcore gamerz crap" gimme a break. "Nintendo is hurting the industry" Wow, just wow. Without the Big N where would our industry be? High Revenue and lilttle to no profit, you know what that means? Yeah companies going belly up. Some folks are straight dellusional.

[ChickeyCantor]

I would be cheating my self as a gamer if i won't be playing games like Zelda, Mario, Pikmin, Metroid etc etc(and games like madworld or the conduit).

I will not miss out those games, if he thinks i will, then he is an idiot period.
Any one listening to this guy is an idiot.
Make up your own mind don't be a sheep.

[mastiffchild]

IDK why we get people slagging off the Wii. Nobody claims that you should drop your PS360 for one and this year there's loads of interesting games for real gamers coming out on it. I'm not gonna give up my Wii and miss the next Zelda when it lands(probably Q4 this year) and we have great looking, innovative games coming from other devs than Ninty themselves this time too. Madworld is a game that would cause a stir on any platform while the likes of The Conduit and Fatal Frame 4 finally look to make use of what the Wii has which is the way to decvelop for a platform-build on it's strengths and differences to get new experiences.
I didn't want to miss out on Okami and SSBB(and would also have missed Boomblox and NMH)last year and there's way more coming out on Wii this year(Deadly Creatures, for example, is unlike anything coming out on the high def consoles and isn't "casual").I'm not going to miss KZ2 or GOW3 for my Wii but equally when there are great Wii games on the way why should I miss out on them just because your gran likes Wii Play?
A good game is a good game is a good game. SMG and MP3 would have been good games whatever platform thy came out on.Yes on PS360 they would've looked shinier but they have great(and different) controls and there's more like them on the way, and as I said, not just from Nintendo this year.Can't we just enjoy good games whatever console they come out on? If you've got a Wii-keep it.That's my advice after seeing what's coming out(and that's even before we hear when the next Resi or Zelda is coming on the console and neither will be long mark my words)as I'll be keeping mine 'cause I like games.

[jack who]

want a girl? get a wii

[pixelsword]

...This backwards strategy helped them dominate the hand-held marked with the Game Boy, and it works for consoles obviously, but don't think it won't have repercussions down the line in terms of their hardcore image.

[Magic_The_Celt]

you need a wii then jack, iv heard youv never had a girl XD

[Game Whisper]

i don't agree with the abandoned ship part, but i do agree that besides for few releases, wii has almost entirerly forgotten the hardcore. i personally hope nintendo learns a lesson from this generation, and the make the wii2 (or whatever the next console will be called) will actually make 3rd party developers want to make more hardcore games for it. if not, well, what the hell is iwata doing then?

on another note. i call u, rigney, a fanboy (i hate fanboys. they love one and hate others)

i love my wii and 360, but i hope nintendo learns a lesson from this

[ChickeyCantor]

I don't get that, why are people relying on Nintendo so much, why does Nintendo have to bring out 100 of core games every month?
What about third party developers? you people pretend they don't exist.

Third part developers screwed the image big time with their sh/tloads of "casual fun". Just recently third party developers pushed more money in their budgets and are creating more wuality games.
If they did that from the beginning non of you would be saying Nintendo is forgetting the hardcore gamers.
I'm not saying this in defense of Nintendo but seriously, why do people expect so much from nintendo? what about Thirdparty developers?
It's time they put more effort in their games, no gamer should hang on Nintendo that much.

[N4g_null]

Nintendo did learn a lesson from this. Sell your console at all cost. This should be the main goal of a console manufacturer. People that are complaining about games from nintendo just need a reason to be pissed it seems.

If there are no games for you then you really need to blame the 3rd parties. If you grew up with nintendo games then you know they mostly make E for every one games because they are a console manufacturer. They have to reach every one so that their platform is viable. This has always been the case until the PS brand but due to SONY pricing them selves into the PC market nintendo can continue making consoles.

Nintendo has never really been a PC like game developer. That is basically what you guys want who don't like the Wii. If you are a hardcore gamer you can not discount the VC which is a hardcore gamers dream unless you are new to gaming.

For some reason there is a gap between what a hardcore gamer was back in the day and what he is today. You can blame it on many things but I believe it's because more new comers joined that where not truly hardcore.

If you've played the Wii "hardcore" games so far you will realize they are actually still pretty hard. Example most people have not beat metroid prime 3 it takes a lot of skill.

There is a reason why so many like online gaming because there you can find a bigger noob than your self. It's true because most people quit an online match before getting beat.

I think nintendo learned not to worry about the band waggoners that call them selves hardcore and focus on people who are not closed minded.
I remember G4tv doing a special on hardcore gamers and how much they spend. Then Krazy Ken asking for $600 for his new system. Kids can't get a second job... even the hardcore don't see it... there will always be more kids gaming than the hardcore because it has not developed into a mature way to spend your time yet. Even the HD gamers will grow out of make believing sooner or later. I mean really if a grown woman played with baby dolls no matter how much of a crazy it was people would not except it.

The funny thing about this is kids are suppose to play games. There clearly is only a small amount of hardcore gamers who still play compared to the ones that played years before. Every thing is becoming casual and pop and no one is to blame really. The PS was a success and every one claimed it had better graphics back then. The hardcore gamer died off right about then.

This gen should be like the 16 bit age on steroid yet companies are shutting down and down sizing... Thats no golden age at all in my eyes.

[bobdog626]

Where im from the Wii is like the Cell Phone .People are Fighting to get there hand,s on it and the Wii Fit is like Gold.We can't Keep it in Stock..How Many has Sold by now 35 to 40mil?Like it or Not the Wii is here to Stay

[BigMassacre]

Only one true reason I keep my Wii. Dragon Quest X.

Feels good to have a PS3 and a Wii.

I don't know why people are all like "OMG Sellz your Wii nowz". There still may be some great 1st party games. And, if you have another system, you can just let the Wii watch you play some other games. Win-win situation!

[Dringostarr]

2008 wasn't the greatest year for the Wii hardcore. The Xbox 360 had a far better line-up, so did the PS3 (although slightly less so).

However, the Wii is still home to a lot of little gems. WiiWare and Nintendo's big titles (Mario/ Zelda/ Metroid etc...) are well worth holding onto the system for. And Wii Sports is actually really good.

The problem isn't that there isn't hardcore titles on the Wii... it's just there isn't enough and Microsoft's 360 is better for it.

But there are hardcore titles coming. Many have been listed already, and just look at what Sega (Mad World/ The Conduit/ House of the Dead) and Ubisoft (Red Steel 2) have planned. There's still plenty there.

I am fortunate enough to have invested in all three games machines. And I have barely played the Wii since Smash Brothers in the Summer. In fact, my Xbox 360 is my preferred machine (and I am a really big Nintendo fan). But I won't sell it. It's worth it for the Zeldas and Marios alone, and there are some top hardcore games coming.

If you are a hardcore gamer, then yes perhaps the other machines are the better option. But if you're a retro gamer or a Nintendo fan... then keep your Wii. It's very capable of pleasing both those demographics. Lets just hope Nintendo show us some of the games that have been working on soon...

[kewlkat007]

That's when you abandon ship me mates...Right now this ship is Plundering the Seas, even Sinbad can't stop them.

What a Har-Dee Har Har Article...lol

Currenlty listening Winamp: Zelda: Ocarina Of Time - Zora's Domain

[pippoppow]

Seems like shooter fans are the ones who like to deem themselves "hardcore". If that's the case then the Wii was never for you to begin with. Nintendo has always been the family friendly console. Besides, they are coming out with more games in 09 like fragile, Madworld and The Conduit which are looking very good. May actually be a good time to pick one up this year if anything.

[Gr81]

All this "no hardcore games" thing is really ridiculous as no one can even describe what kind of game that is. All we have are opinions on what hardcore games or gamers are and that's not good enough if you are going to start labeling things.

Also Sidar you too I agree with, for some reason Nintendo is pegged as a shovelware company when third parties are the ones releasing ponyz and such. I don't think a single company releases as many quality titles in a single year than Nintendo does.

[kesvalk]

the guy on the article seemed desperate to make you sell your Wii...

famboys are just strange...

[Faztkiller]

i will never own a wii unless someone gives it to me then i will sell it
and get games

[Suga Shane]

They say "Ignorance is Bliss" so 90% of you must be the happiest people in the world. Those who claimed to have sold their Wiis most likely never owned one in the first place and have an amount of hatered so vast that their console is not in 1st place that they conceive any excuse they can to convince others not to purchase one. I own both a Wii and a 360 and must say that my Wii gets more play time. My 360 is for games that I can not get on the Wii and I no longer play those games online because I do not agree on paying to play online. Yes, Nintendo is pulling in a profit this gen but how long has it been since it has been number 1? for that matter how long did Sony rake in the profits? I will not say negative things about the PS3 because I do not own one. It appears to me that most of you on here that complain that Nintendo is targeting families are obvisouly not old enough to of been around during the time Nintendo saved the video game market in the U.S.and brought fourth a family console hence the name family computer in Japan. Those not old enough were brought up on the PS2 and Xbox, maybe the PS1, and belive that being hardcore is a FPS with extream gore levels and language that would make most sailors blush. I consider myself hardcore not because I like the run and gun games but because I spend countless hours on a game to find every little secret reguardless if it is MGS or Super Paper Mario. The sheer amount of 360 nut jobs on this site shocks me and constant negative posts concerning the PS3 and Wii should be just cause to rename this site N4XG (News 4 Xbox Gamers). I have ranted to long and must now prepare for the uneducated and degrading comments that are heading my way but fear not I have my grain of salt.

[SeraphimBlade]

Sin and Punishment TWO?! That freaking CONVINCED me to hold on to my Wii!

[sonic989]

you are completely morons
first the ones you are saying are sony fans they are actully
the wii causal owners who dont know anything about technology
thats why they dont know that an nes games takes 1 to 1.7 MB
then a 700 MHZ system cannot be for hardcore users if you are hardcore you will think about the quality which is the wii's main issue you cant have physics you cant have an amazing AI you cant you cant etc why cause its a 700 MHZ system just like the xbox 1 and the GPU is nothing special also
and dont say the controller cause sony and MS are by faaaaaaar richer than nintendo they can make there owns
and yes you mini mario you resistance 2 is a 720 p game ok but it has physics and graphics and everything ok what does mario kart have
and if you want to compare mario kart compare it to GT five
and remember sony can make a wii beating controller but nintendo cant make a cell beating or a blu ray beating techs because of money and te name as a brand
and sony will always be richer than nintendo ok
at the end its just like sega nothing special
lastly te playsttion as a name is far better than the wiiiiiiiiiii
its for kids man

[N4g_null]

Seriously SONY can make a Wii beating controller and nintendo can not make a cell beating chip?

From what I've read IBM made the Cell and the real Cell systems are used in large network with opteron doing the work that the cell can not do.

Did SONY provide the compiler for the cell nope that was IBM also because you know IBM made the chip and SONY payed to have it made. Sega did a similar thing in the arcades and nintendo did the same with the N64.

Oyeah you do know IBM made the processor for all 3 consoles right? I've never seen a chip with so much hype get a rub on the back for being matched by a less hyped chip, like the xbox 360 one.

Now I've yet to see a FPS use the sixaxis correctly for a FPS. No one is arguing about the PS3's controller replacing the mouse and keyboard set up.Maybe because it sucks even kojima talked about how the killzone guys tried to use it to open doors...LOL We did that all day in metroid and even swung from the ceiling.

Oyeah you need a core duo at least to run HD games the way you are explaining. There is a reason why all those hyped up games are no longer talked about... the physics wasn't that incredible and the AI was just as forgettable. There is a reason why HD gamers must have online play because AI still sucks.

After the Wii I'm sure nintendo could easily put a few HD4870x2 in their next box since they are making a profit.

I wonder do you know what the PS2 was running at when it beat the 700 mhz xbox1? Yet the PS2 got a res evil port while the xbox didn't...

The hype is over.... hype will only sell your console for so long... you need more talent. It's a fact that more HD companies or supporters have went under this year than Wii supporters.

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

sure it's been in the box all year due to my 360 or PS3.

But Mad World is one of only a very small handful of games coming this year that... has me holding it out a little longer... and I mean little...

[Flare149]

I've been saying this about the Wii for awhile. Nintendo did the same thing with the GC, they sold all of the AAA titles first to generate lots of sales and hype, and then for the end of the consoles life they released practicially nothing, just to try to sell a few more units by releasing MP: 2 and Twilight Princess on it. They just added this strategy to targeting the casual gamer demographic and:

- created a huge amount of hype
- the hype resulted in huge sales of AAA titles
- owners clammoring for other games bought crap shovelware titles
- Wii play, inlcluded with the system, encouraged multiplayer, so families began to play and other casual gamers took intrest in these simple games that "tied their families together"
- Nintendo continues to make cruddy games that casual gamers know as the norm (and thus ask for nothing more) while somewhat satisfying hardcore gamers with their first ever online games and old hardcore games from N64, SNES, etc.

That was basically their entire strategy, and sadly it worked. Now all Wii owners have nothing left for the next few years while the 360 and PS3 owners have a lot of good stuff coming. I know I considered getting a Wii, but really I only want it so I can play classic games and the GC titles I did like (mainly the James Bond ones, they had addicting multiplayer)

[fatstarr]

by that logic i shoulda sold my ps3 and my 360 when they were in dowward slumps and games i dont want to play come out... but i think some games on the line up i cant wait to play... and tales of symphonia 2 was a good game it got low scores because it followed the "old school rpg" elements because to me all the new school rpgs are just perfect 10's

also we hardcoare gamers havent noticed it but casual saved our industry
because i dont see the amount of ps3's sold in its life time to be the same amount if casual gamers didnt exist.

[sonic989]

your brain is about to explode
i see ok go and your GC 1.4
with no upgrade except controller which sony will release one in 09 maybe
and for the wii fans stop talking about the industry and the high definition cause it will break your little brains fools go and enjoy your resident evil 4 on GC 1.4
and leave RE next gen for us ok Sony forever

[sonic989]

animal crossing ds 1.7 could last a year hah
then home could last me a decade you stupied anti tech casual

[Amplitude]

Does anybody even play with it anymore?

[Amplitude]

I got my wii a couple weeks after launch. Got up every morning to stand in line at multiple stores (Multiple people working to get it for me. :), and i feel bad to say that i didn't use it once between Zelda and Smash Bros. After i got bored of Smash Bros, i haven't touched it once yet again. Even had a 6 year old girl come over and not touch the wii- she went straight to the PS3 to play Super Rub'a'dub and LittleBigPlanet.

I'm not going to SELL the wii, it does look okay sitting up there, and on special occasions people will still play Wii Sports, but the wii is definitely a massive failure right now. Sales don't make a console, games do.

[tk]

Just strange that the media try to downplay the Wii success, and try and paint the PS3 as a "failure", then awards for the XB360 as "best hardware". Bias? Idiots?

The Wii is not going anywhere.

[Shnazzyone]

nope, I'm holding strong. I'm not going to sell my wii just because some jack-off at a gaming site told me he's jaded to the wii. I think he is going to be kicking his own ass when oodles of top notch games finally hit the console and he has to find one and buy it all over again.

maybe if Sin and punishment, madworld, the conduit, MH3, punch-out, tenchu and dead rising ALL end up being terrible games. I could possibly consider it. If it wasn't for the fact i have so many old school titles at my disposal on the system that i'm certainly not bored with it.

This guy is plainly just trying to fan the flames on the hardcore gamer backlash nintendo is recieving right now. What moron throws away the #1 system of the current gaming gen? Someone who doesn't know their history that's for sure.

[Darkfocus]

I was a massive Nintendo fanboy until the Wii came out and even for a while I thought it was great but then I quickly became disappointed with it. It's not that it doesn't have some great games(Super mario Galaxy,SmashBros, Zelda etc.) its just that it doesn't have very many and that previous nintendo systems had much better games(I was really disappointed by the difficulty level of Prime 3 and the linear nature 1 and 2 are in my top ten favourite games and twilight princess's was seriously lacking difficulty I know it was still good but go play any other zelda they all feel better then TP well not those 2CD games or whatever they were thats an exception) the gamecube last gen was my only system and I never felt like the games were lacking ever I've also had every previous Nintendo system and loved them all the wii just feels lacking. But I still like Ninty because the DS has amazing
games. Plus I wouldn't sell my Wii because its great for emulation of old classics via homebrew(you can fit alot more games on an 2G SD card than the wiis 512m HD) if you don't have a pc in your room ;)

[pcz]

the classics- mario, metroid, zelda etc.. you can't buy that level of quality and true gamer experience on a ps3 or 360.

it might sound like a good idea on the spur of the moment. but 2 years down the line, you will realise just how special those memories of mario galaxy and even twilight princess were. those are truly quality games. you actually feel enriched by them, better off.

but by all means, go ahead and sell it for the 'cheap' thrills of halo or even gta. trashy experiences that leave you with a bitter taste.

[Darkfocus]

while i think halo and the most recent gta are bad other systems defiantly have classics too so stfu you go that way --->
cause you certanly don't belong in this zone
and while galaxy is great(one of the best games this gen) and probably equal or better than super mario 64(what I liked about 64 was the abilty to get any of the stars not just the one you selected when you enter a level) Twilight princess is the worst zelda (with the exception of those 2 CD games that really bombed) I've played them all

[pcz]

''friendly and civilized discussion...'' stfu is hardly friendly or civilized.

i'm comparing experiences between what i have played on wii and other consoles.

just my personal opinion that most of the 'acclaimed' ps and xbox games leave me with an empty feeling, they are soulless. i dont care if you agree or not, its my opinion.

[Darkfocus]

while stfu is a bit harsh you just said "wii= true gamers choice
the classics- mario, metroid, zelda etc.. you can't buy that level of quality and true gamer experience on a ps3 or 360." while there are equally as good games on all 3 systems thats biased

[rumplstilts]

He seriously doesn't know what hardcore means or is. If you read some of the comments on the site you will unhderstand what I'm saying. He is basically a noob.

[Sickr]

What a completely idiotic article.

I can't believe someone even bothered to submit it.

Anyone with an ounce of braincells can see the potential in Wii.

[solidsnakus]

lol dumbasses. im already ahead of the curve, i didnt buy a wii in the first place and never will.

[rumplstilts]

Whats with all the Sony fanboys swarming over the nNintendo ones? Between my Wii and computer, I don't have enoughtime to play all my games. I have 11 Wii games and 5 of them are 1st party and only one crappy 3rd party game (Dragon Blade : Wrath of fire). My first game console was the PS1, then I got a PS2 followed by Gamecube and now I have A Wii and also picked up an original Xbox because of a few really good games. When you thihnk about it. Keeping a Wii even if it doesn't have tons of great games (I think it does btw) is perhaps one pf the most hardcore things ever. And btw for Xbox fanboys, Gow is actually extremely casual. Thin plotline, mind numbingly easy gameplay and blood, violence and swearing do not make it hardcore.

[Darkfocus]

there not necessarily Sony fanboys I'm not(only Sony franchises I really like are MGS, and uncharted). I like all 3 systems I just don't like Nintendo as much this generation as previous gens but I still like the Wii enough to keep it around and it has had some great games just not as much as it should have. lol I wouldn't call gears hardcore(hardcore in my opinion are games like contra,super metroid,ninja gaiden 1 though not 2, and battletoads for nes seriously thats one of the hardest games on the system) but its certainly not casual I just can't picture my parents playing it :/

[rumplstilts]

Retro games rule.

[badz149]

wtf are you doing here bashing Sony? and only Sony fans?? have you read the article? this guy said he now prefers 360 more than Wii and thus 360 is the best and he sold his Wii for that reason! if you really want to make sense, bash the guy who wrote the article, not specifically bashing Sony fans for that matter which made you look stupid! it's ok and good for you if Wii is the best for you but you can't stop/curse people for selling theirs because it's not you who bought the damn thing for them!

[jaybdemented]

the only reason i got one is for my woman. i only play it when she ask me 2.

[pixelsword]

...gesic cream to help you recover from the Wiimote injuries.

Ha!

[BrotherNick]

Lol, why just have one console, and play certain types of games. Open your mind, there are great games on both sides of the spectrum. :)

[Mikhal5569]

From what I am reading I can divide the readers here into very distinct groups. Older more mature gamers who understand that the Wii is a new breed of gaming. And the other group, young so called "Hardcore Gamers" who are scared sh!tless that the Wii will forever change the face of gaming.

The fact is that the Wii has already hurt the PS3 and 360 far more than anyone wants to admit. Nintendo has proven that the Wii is NOT a fad and that a lot more people want to play games than the "hardcore" want to admit. Nintendo realized that game production is getting way too expensive and offered a cheaper option to produce games for big compans and smaller companys alike.

Now, while we sit here and helplessly watch our precious developers slowly drop like flies, we are starting to see more and more games switch to the Wii console because it is a more logical choice.

The list for February and March alone show that developers are beginning to take the Wii extremely seriously in this tough economic time with triple AAA titles like the, Madworld, Sonic and the Black Knight, Rune Factory Frontier, Tenchu Four, Little Kings Story, House Of The Dead Overkill, Deadly Creatures etc.

And what scares you All even more is that your favorite company's whether it be Microsoft or Sony are already copying the Wii so they can stay a float. 360 avatars ring a bell? Ever heard of Sony making a motion controlled controller? (no I'm not talking about the crappy siaxis.)

Your all scared, because your little worlds is changing and the only thing you can do about it is, cry.

[Mahr]

"triple AAA titles like the, Madworld, Sonic and the Black Knight, Rune Factory Frontier, Tenchu Four, Little Kings Story, House Of The Dead Overkill, Deadly Creatures etc"

As much as I'm looking forward to most of those games, I think it's a little bit premature to call them AAA titles -- as it is for all games that have yet to actually come out. Remember when a lot of people were touting the original Killzone as a 'Halo-Killer', and the game itself wound up mediocre at best?

[BrotherNick]

Hehe, AAA is a hardcore term. Let's just say a decent lineup for core games.

[McDaygo]

What is Hardcore? Does it mean a ravenous gaming fanatic? I would think "Hardcore" gamers would own all 3 current gen systems.

[hulud86]

These articles are why I have problems with N4G. These crap "PS3 is Doomed!" articles are the #1's everyday. shut up with this crap already.

[lizard81288]

some of the comments say that the wii/nintendo/3rd parties don't make "hardcore" games anymore?! nintendo has always been about family type stuff. mario, zelda, donkey kong. nintendo is getting more 'M' rated games now too. the earliest violent nintendo game i can think of would be Conker's Bad Fur Day, and that was for the n64. i wouldn't say nintendo has abandoned us. as long a good games like mario, keep getting pumped out, everything should be ok.i mean its not like madden, which comes every year. the wii looks like it will have many great games this year, so i wouldn't sell the wii just yet. there really hasn't been much for the wii this year though, i just got tatsunoko vs capcom, which is a wii exclusive. i haven't stopped playing it since it got it. the wii just has a bigger audience now.
hopefully now we can move on from "video games kill people" or "Video games make children violent", type crap now that more casual people are playing them now. and yes, the wii has lots of shovelware, but didn't the PSX and PS2 also have shovelware too?

also i bought a wii for the type of games too. i don't really care for FPS, which the ps3, & 360 have so i bought a wii, which has what type of games i play,action/adventure games, and next year looks even better for the wii.

[TruthbeTold]

The Conduit is going to be great because it has the best control system available on a console shooter that has yet existed. Mad World looks like it will be awesome. Sin and Punishment as well. Personally I'm looking forward to Punch-out and Wii Sports resort/Wii motion plus. And if Monster Hunter 3 comes to the U.S. it will be a first day purchase. Keep in mind that Nintendo hasn't revealed a whole lot regarding their releases for this year yet. A Zelda game made from the ground up for Wii is in our relative near future.

If you happen to have moved on, or enjoy another console better now then more power to ya. But don't act as if some b.s. epiphany is a shining light for all gamers. Alot of us still enjoy our Wii even as we enjoy our PS3's and/or 360's. And truthfully speaking, the time to abandon ship on the Wii for profit purposes was a year or two ago, when the things were going for $500 on Ebay with nothing more than Wii Sports with it. I've got almost 30 Wii games, most of them heavily played. If I sold them all at half price and the console for 300'ish I'd make an easy grand and change. Not worth it though.

[Pika-pie]

I bought my Wii when they first came out. Sold it 6 months later and never looked back. Deffinatly was not the console for me

[SprayandPreycom]

the wii has its place..

[AWBrawler]

Gears of war franchise SUX. anybody taking points about me not bashing a game, hear me out first. Gears is the "BAd Dudes" of this gen. its pretty and you feel like a bad dude when you chainsaw a guy. hell if they add marcus phoenix saying "I'm BAd!" its bad dudes. It will be forgotten 10 years from now. Bad dudes was awesome for its time. punch kick, sweep kick jump kick shout "I'm bad" in 8 bit glory. awesome. but who the hell would play that now? no one or a select few. Gears run, duck, shoot, chainsaw. Hear Delta shout manly "I'm Bad" type phrases, get pissed off by Cole trains sterotypical stupidity and hoodness. Its the same crap it will be forgotten. hell I already forgot what the hell part 1 had for its sorry cheesy story.

[Mahr]

The President has been kidnapped by Ninjas.

Are you a bad enough dude to rescue the President?

[AWBrawler]

Earth's under attack by locust are you bad@ss enough to kill them?

[Mahr]

XD

In all fairness, Bad Dudes is at least good for the camp value of rescuing Ronald Reagan from ninjas. I'm not certain Gears of War even has that.