Is this the end for Final Fantasy on Xbox?

Final Fantasy on Xbox was once but a dream, until the Xbox 360 generation saw Square finally start to show Xbox some love. Now, it feels like that spell might have run its course... have we seen the last of Final Fantasy on Xbox?

[Christopher]

I hope not. Regardless of this whole "it's how business works" I firmly believe that games should eventually make their way to as many gamers as possible. Make it exclusive for a year, then pop that bad boy on other platforms, limitations depending (I don't think most AAA current-gen games are designed for downgrading to Switch, sorry Nintendo).

Imagine a world where PS5 games are a one-year timed exclusivity and then go to PC and Xbox and vice versa. We would have so little to argue about then. Life would be so much easier. Consumers would win.

[blackblades]

It'll still be on it, they just had re-core on it. Only way for it to never appear on it would be Sony buying square which probably not gonna happen.

[lonewolf10]

No sign of 7 remake though, that is odd.

[shinoff2183]

I wouldn't be surprised that ssony has exclusive 7 remake until the actual whole story is done.

[onisama]

VI remake and rebirth and 16 all not coming to xbox ...but its fine its Playstation its fine if they do it

[RedDevils]

onisama, how about you stop crying about it, and actually buy their games? IF you actually buy their games they would see absolutely no reason to keep exclusive to the other platforms.

[sadraiden]

You're just describing the gaming experience on PC.

[goldwyncq]

Then what's the point of buying consoles at all if we're just going to get the same games in the end? Exclusivity encourages competition, and competition brings out the best in companies because it gives them reason to strive to be better and put more effort in their games than they would normally do.

[sadraiden]

I usually balk at the idea of putting faith in massive corporations to do what's best for consumers because of competition (usually it's a race to the bottom), but I agree, when your business is selling fun times, you have to make your fun time as different as possible from the other guys' fun time.

[Michiel1989]

first part exclusives?

[Tres21]

Ehhh I see a few flaws in that what usually strives a company to do better is profit. Also that only idea also only works for 1st party, 3rd party companies should want to get it out on most platforms if they can. Could you imagine if that idea of exclusivity worked on graphic cards like a game would only run on a certain brand and they said it brings out their best. All that really to say consoles I believe are just more so about ease of use and a set mark for companies since tech is always advancing.

[Christopher]

The same point in buying different desktop products, laptops, TVs, etc.?

And why would competition lessen when games are competing against games, not games locked to hardware competing against other games locked to hardware against third-party games?

[--Onilink--]

Mmm to play those games?… why would I put even a second of caring that someone else will also get to play those games too?

[onisama]

funny that you encourage multiplatform Ips turning to exclusivity when sony does it (silent hill street fighter final fantasy and many square enix games spiderman ...) but wil havily critisize when Microsoft is firing back....being on this site is fun because i can see all the weird species

[neutralgamer1992]

I will give you few examples

How many studios who are now owned by MS will produce games for PlayStation? Besides any games which were already Sony had a contract with?

What about all the studios that Ms bought before zenimax?

Let's go recently besides COD do you think next Diablo, crash, Spyro etc will be on PlayStation?

And the reason I asked those questions is very simple:. Once this fiasco with Activision is over Sony will go on a shopping spree. They may not have $70 billion to spend but they can smartly spend $20 billion and end up with square enix, Capcom and Sega

Me can survive and thrive without Xbox but Sony's success depends on PlayStation. That's why they will want content. If you are a Xbox fan would you be okay giving up games from square enix, Capcom and Sega for what Ms would have acquired?

Fallout
Star field
Elders scrolls
Dishonored
Prey
Redfall
Outer world 2
Diablo 5
Spyro
Crash
Prototype
Hi fi rush
Etc,,,,

Resident evil
DMC
MegaMan
Final fantasy
Persona
Dragon quest
Dragon dogma
Monster hunter
Ace attorney
Dead rising
Kingdom hearts
Star ocean
Sonic
Yakuza
Binary domain
Etc,,,,

[onisama]

spend 20 billions....bro you know that sony is on 2 trillion $ of debts....sony have a income of 7.8 billion yearly...sony cant spend that much maybe if square is gonna sell for 4 billion they may go for it...sony better stick with buying exlusivity for games and rely on laws to protect their leads because without laws Microsoft is crazy rich (72billion income in 2022)

[neutralgamer1992]

you don't know what you talking about, they have more than 10 billion to spend on acqusitions even after spending 3.6 billion on bungie and 256 million on insomniac. What you are referring to is called long term debt. and yu may have missed the point where playstation is more important to sony than xbox is to ms. square enix is a done deal and capcom is next. Only reason all this is on hold is because this would be the worst time for sony to announce they are buying anyone

[darkrider]

That will end. Microsoft path will change gaming, not for the best. The pay to win strategy it's their last card to stay relevant, but will have a deep impact. There is only one thing Sony and Nintendo Can do not lose major 3rd party ip...

[neutralgamer1992]

i think this activision deal will have very severe ramifications on gaming landscape. these xbox fans who are defending this today will be the ones crying foul when others are bought out

[sparky77]

Unless Sony buys SE, it will end up on Xbox.

SE just had another flop with Forespoken, the list of flops is growing and growing they will need all the money they can get. Or the will be asking for a lot more money from Sony for deals.

[Nyxus]

Porting a game to another platform also costs money. Also, FFXVI and Rebirth most likely won't be flops, those are pretty certain to be successful.

[babadivad]

A not insignificant amount of times, porting is done by third parties. They could even ask Microsoft to foot the bill for the third party team.

[zekk]

@babadivad it may actually be more work them we think. Aren't all series x game supposed to work on series s? If so they would have to spend time optimizing the game to hardware 1/3 of the power or face backlash and criticism. From that perspective is it worth porting a game to a system that has a significantly smaller following? Even if they made money is it worth the time and effort?

[andy85]

There is a few flops (not counting forspoken in that yet). But FFXVI and Rebirth are shaping up to be the best in years. I expect them both to smash sales

[shinoff2183]

Just cause some on the internet think it's a flop doesn't mean it will be.

[autobotdan]

Final Xbox Fantasy?

[Thundercat77]

I think is more of a matter of support. The Xbox community doesn't support these games that much and so the publisher sees no value in creating a version for Xbox.

[sadraiden]

Underrated comment. Xbox in general curries far less favor with the Japanese/Japanese enthusiast gaming market. Xbox owners who also really want to play FF are a small group.

[babadivad]

That small group is still millions of people and tens of millions of dollars.

[CBaoth]

@ Bab, if that were the case this wouldn't be a hot topic discussion right now, would it? Reality is unless SE puts it on GP, no one will buy it, which then causes MS to have to pay more to secure future releases. Just ain't worth it. Doubt me? Why don't ya tweet some head honcho at Sega and ask how copies of the Yakuza games they've sold since the series debuted on GP and MS consoles.

[rlow1]

We hear the same statement every time. Xbox owners don’t play FF or Japanese games. But every time we hear that statement (it’s a lot). Nobody ever gives hardcore data. As though their word is good enough. If you make a definitive statement then you need to back it up with data.

[Nyxus]

Well there is the fact that many Japanese multiplatform games and series that appear on Switch, PC and PlayStation skip Xbox altogether. Series like Legend of Heroes, the Atelier games, the Ys games, etc. There has to be a reason they release on all platforms except Xbox. I think it's a cycle. Not many Japanese games release on Xbox, so gamers who are into those games get another console, so they sell even less, and so on.

[gangsta_red]

@Nyxus

That may be true for the more niche RPGs and Japanese cultured centric games. But it's not true for the more successful Japanese games that have crossed over to Western audiences.

Namco, Capcom and Sega continue to bring their games to Xbox. Square is definitely a Japanese developer who's FF games fits in that category of western appeal also.

And in this case, if Square thought that this game wasn't financially viable to release on Xbox, then why would Sony pay to keep for exclusive rights?

[2moda5gamer]

The data is there though. It's just old hat so people got lazy sharing it.
13: https://www.gematsu.com/201...
15; https://www.videogamer.com/...
7cc: https://www.reddit.com/r/Xb...

There is STILL sales and money there, but each generation it got smaller and smaller, to the point where the costs may not be worth it overall?
Just like Playstation is not the system for you if you wanna play Halo, Xbox is not a FF system.
The difference is brand loyalty as opposed to ownership - the exclusivity deal is really just icing on the cake.

[DarkZane]

Now with Gamepass, Xbox gamers don't even buy games anymore, they just wait until it's on Gamepass. For an AAA publisher, that's bad and even less enticing for them to port it. Add the fact that japanese games don't sell very well on Xbox, it means Japan support for Xbox is going to drop further.

[babadivad]

I have gamepass and I buy far more games than I used too.

One thing people don't realize about GP is it's not just "free games". Just having the service is like always having a sale going on in the store.

Even games that aren't currently on gamepass, if you go to the marketplace, click in deals(accessible simply because you're subscribed) there's often hundreds of games listed at huge discounts.

I have been playing and buying more games than I have time. After I beat Horizon, I have been burning through my insane back catalog of games on Xbox.

Honestly, game pass is the reason why I have bought FAR more games on Xbox than Playstation.

The service is amazing and well worth the price asked IMHO.

[Shadowsteal]

@babadivad

Your comment comes off as a lot of fluff and no context.

Why would an Xbox gamer purchase a game that they already have access to via Gamepass?

[babadivad]

@Shadow

I said I buy games that ARE NOT on gamepass but are still heavily discounted because I'm a gamepass subscriber.

[Chevalier]

@babadivad

Except Xbox own reports show a steep drop off in 3rd party sales. That's straight from Xbox/Microsoft themselves. It's not what you perceive. It's FACT

"Microsoft says that even though Game Pass subscriptions and first-party titles did numbers during the quarter, those gains are offset by a decrease in third-party game purchases."

https://www.gamedeveloper.c...

Then 2022 also confirmed further revenue drops too.

[The3faces]

If that were true and Square sees no value in putting their games on Xbox then why does Sony pay Square for timed exclusity?

[MrNinosan]

Do you have proof they do?

[Nyxus]

But would Square take such a deal if they thought they would miss out on a lot of Xbox sales that way?

[Obscure_Observer]

@MrNinosan

"Do you have proof they do?"

Sony has multiple "exclusion" agreements with third-party publishers, dude.

https://www.eurogamer.net/m...

[gangsta_red]

And yet Square continued to put the main FF series on the system. I always see these comments saying this and while they may sell more on PS, they also still sell on Xbox.

We have already seen Square post disappointing earnings and that's with games on both systems. It can't just be all about Xbox support if this is the case.

In this instance for Final Fantasy it's definitely Sony paying to keep the game off Xbox

[shinoff2183]

More then likely just a certain. Amount of time. I wanted to play stsrfield on my ps and I'll never be able to.

[gangsta_red]

@Shinoff

According to reports it will never come to Xbox

https://www.eurogamer.net/m...

"I wanted to play stsrfield on my ps and I'll never be able to."

It's a shame Sony wasn't able to make Starfield exclusive to PS too

https://www.videogameschron...

[Petebloodyonion]

then why put all spinoff games on Xbox instead of the more popular one?
Final Fantasy 7 Remake is not on Xbox nor will Final Fantasy 16 and FF7 Rebirth (atm)
but Final Fantasy 7 Crisis Core reunion is...
I wonder what would sell more on Xbox?
The most requested remake, The next main game in the franchise, or a PSP remake?

[gangsta_red]

1000%

[jznrpg]

Majority of Xbox gamers don’t support buying any games anymore . They’re expect everything to be on Gamepass now so I could see how more games will skip Xbox at launch at minimum and possibly just skip it altogether . Having the Series S hurts them also having to make 2 versions that won’t sell well anyway and it will depend on the checks from MS , Not all games will be this way but I do think more will consider PS/PC only in the future

[sadraiden]

Final Fantasy is a brand now. It used to be a standard, but now it's watered down and overleveraged. They are mid action games these days, barely resembling JRPGs and barely resembling what made FF exciting in the first place. Xbox players should be demanding more original IPs that can be turned into legacy exclusive franchises, not the meatscraps from the filet mignon that Sony and Nintendo already dined on.

[Shane Kim]

Wasn't the three parts of ff13 the only ones? It never started to be the end.

[Petebloodyonion]

FF XV was released on Xbox also.

[MrNinosan]

FFXI
FFXIII Trilogy
FFXV

And way way later, the old games.

[CrimsonWing69]

I don’t believe so. Look at Persona and NieR Automata. It may take a generation, but I guarantee you at some point they’ll dump them all on Xbox at once.

It doesn’t make sense that they’d release Crisis Core Reunion on Xbox and not include the Remake.

[Chevalier]

Except when you look at sales. UK chart showed 82% of sales were on Playstation, 12% Switch and only 6% on Xbox. Xbox sales are not good

[CrimsonWing69]

Whoa, I didn't say things sell well on that console.

But the fact still remains that at some point it will show up. Maybe even when there's a FF VII Remake Complete Edition with 1-3. It could be a generation from now, but look, Xbox has Persona 3 Portable (a PSP Exclusive) on the console now.

Anything's possible.

[Chevalier]

My point is that things generally need to sell for Square to want to input cost to make an Xbox version. If they don't even make the threshold to break even then no it won't be out for Xbox any time soon or ever.

[CrimsonWing69]

Well things sell enough for Square to put their games on the platform. The only reason you’re not seeing FF7 Remake and FF16 on Xbox is because of deals made with Sony.

Xbox has gotten DioField, Star Ocean, and FF7 Crisis Core.

Things like Valkyrie Elysium and Valkyrie Profile Lenneth have some deal with Sony, but we Don’t know if it’s timed or full exclusive.

The other thing you have to realize is Crisis Core Reunion was specifically released to tell Zack’s story so FF7 Remake would have more context and give people his backstory, which will be important for Rebirth.

I feel like you wouldn’t just release a PSP exclusive on Xbox or Switch without knowing at some point the full story will be release on everything. It just seems weird otherwise.

[shinoff2183]

I've got no issue with ff on xbox. I'd say just leave it off switch though or mostly whatever Nintendo is doing cause it's under powered. I'd rather not see it get dumbed down.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Of course it is. FF7 remake is never coming on Xbox. Phil should work out a way to get PC games to work on Xbox.

[MrNinosan]

Yes, because Phil is the engineer 🤔

[GhostScholar]

Yes it is. 7 remake not coming was the death nil

[Hofstaderman]

Sad thing is multiple final fantasy games were released on the XBOX platforms but the sales were abysmal. Thereafter Square went with the platform that had the sales. It’s called business.

[shinoff2183]

In Xbox players defense. Ff13 was eh and ff 15 was the same imo.

[Elda]

It's a business. XB needs to get a 3rd party multiplat developer to develop an exclusive game for its platform instead of buying a whole 3rd party multiplat publisher.

[Obscure_Observer]

"It's a business."

It is. And since Sony is making disgusting exclusion agreements to prevent third party games ever comes to Xbox, do not expect MS to play fair with them.

Sony will get what they deserve.

[BehindTheRows]

This might be the most ironic comment I've ever seen posted on this site.

"disgusting exclusion agreements", "play fair"

You can't make this up.

[Shadowsteal]

You got it backwards. Microsoft started their acquisition spree 5+ years ago. Sony made these deals to compete instead of purchasing developers and publishers at the same rate as Microsoft.

[Obscure_Observer]

@BehindTheRows

"You can't make this up."

I don´t need to. Facts speaks by itself. Sony will get what they deserve. Fire against fire. Glove´s off. It´s simple as that.

@Shadowsteal

"You got it backwards. Microsoft started their acquisition spree 5+ years ago. Sony made these deals to compete instead of purchasing developers and publishers at the same rate as Microsoft."

Nah, dude. Sony has been doing it for a long time, since the PS1 days. They did the same thing to prevent FFVII to come to others platforms, among many many titles back in the day.

Since nor SEGA or Nintendo had the amount of money Sony had at the time, SEGA was merciless crushed as Sony made almost all third party games exclusive to Playstation. They didn´t had to do that. SEGA was third at that time.

Now they´re facing a company that can fight back and harder. And I don´t pity them a bit.

[BehindTheRows]

You didn't give a single fact.

I'll give you one — companies strike exclusivity deals (Microsoft is certainly one of them). Another? Some even buy WHOLE PUBLISHERS to compete in this arena.

Those are the facts. What ever it is you think Sony "deserves" for doing what your favorite team has also done is irrelevant in the scheme of business.

[Traecy]

Get what they deserve? Getting what they deserve is Sony being the best popular platform to play AAA interesting exclusive games on the popular console that is the PS5.

[Elda]

LOL! The irony of your comment. You're still envious & jealous of Sony PS popularity, something you need to get over asap. It is what it is.

[shinoff2183]

Microsoft has never made a third party deal obscure observer. Yea they definitely have. In fact ms is doing something even more disgusting by buying multiplatform publishers.

https://www.nintendolife.co...

It was more Nintendo on the square going to Sony. Also before Sony was in gaming. I can't remember square games on Sega consoles. So was Nintendo being disgusting against Sega to.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

They should ask for Sony to pay more for COD.

[Chevalier]

You gave ZERO facts and can't back up a single thing. Plus you're wrong. You're a hypocrite. Go ahead explain Bethesda then.... oh right you can't. How about Hellblade 2? Warhammer Darktides? Stalker 2?

[Obscure_Observer]

@BehindTheRows

"Those are the facts. What ever it is you think Sony "deserves" for doing what your favorite team has also done is irrelevant in the scheme of business."

Don´t play coy. This is not about regular exclusive deals that all publisher make by funding development and/or marketing costs.

This is a nefarious practice that Sony has been doing behind close doors to prevent games from ever be released on Xbox. This is straight up payments to secure that a third party game will never reach Xbox even after the said game had be announced for the platform.

https://www.eurogamer.net/m...

This a VERY SERIOUS accusation! If MS is lying, then why Square/Enix and Konami didn´t call them out???

YOU know why!

This will be the very reason why Sony will get what they´ve been deserving for a long time.

What goes around, comes around.

You just watch.

[BehindTheRows]

I didn't "play coy". I gave you set of facts and you danced around them like an elephant dealing with a mouse.

[gangsta_red]

It all depends on what Sony does. If they choose to keep paying for exclusivety for FF then it will continue to miss Xbox.

[Nyxus]

Exclusivity period for FF7 Remake has ended.

[gangsta_red]

Its already been reported that Sony blocked FF 7 remake from going to Xbox

[Eonjay]

Sony can't 'block' a game from appearing on another console if they don't own the game. Square is the publisher. They may sell content to Sony but Sony can't demand it. That's not a thing.

[shinoff2183]

You got a link for that remake block

[gangsta_red]

https://www.eurogamer.net/m...

And before you reply with the standard "according to MS" excuse, Sony hasn't denied this and I doubt it would be legal for MS to publicly accuse a company of something they didn't do.

[Chevalier]

Sony can't block a game owned by Square Enix. Absolutely 💯 idiotic you even believe this garbage being fed to you. Want to talk about locking out fans? Bethesda says hello. Hellblade 2 says hello.

Also how about Stalker 2? Warhammer Darktide? Seriously gtfo

[gangsta_red]

Sony can absolutely make deals with Square to keep certain games off Xbox for however amount of time specified in whatever contract both parties agree to. SF V should tell you that.

💯 Idiotic if you believe it can't happen.

Hello Bethesda, can't wait to play Starfield

Hello Hellblade 2, can't wait for a release date.

Hello Stalker 2, hello Darktide...anyone else I should say hello to being one of their fans that gets to play these games?

[Chevalier]

Sorry you're such an idiot. The whole omg Sony is evil and stops games from coming to Xbox. Do you know how stupid you sound?! Xbox the company worth $2 trillion can't afford to outbid Playstation 1/10 their net worth?! Do you actually believe that? Because if you do then your even dumber than I thought.

Maybe it hasn't occurred to you Xbox would have to pay for Squares losses to get exclusives. That threshold is probably significantly higher considering how much they would lose from Playstation and Nintendo. For example Crisis core Xbox One and Series S/X with 70 million consoles ONLY had 6 percent of sales. Think about how bad that is. Switch had 12% and Playstation 4/5 had 82%!! So how much would Xbox have to pay to account for 94% sales lost between Switch and Playstation? Would it be worth it to Xbox? NOPE. Would it be worth it for Square to alienate their whole fan base for 6% of their sales? Definitely not. They would stand to lose significantly more by losing their fans. It cost 10x more to get back a customer that is lost versus keeping the one they built a relationship with.

Playstation sales for FF absolutely dominate Xbox and its NOT close in any way shape or form. Don't forget just last year Xbox confirmed their biggest loss was guess what?! Third party game sales was their biggest revenue loss. That's not going to change any time soon.

As for your waiting for games. No surprise at all. Only idiots stick with the waiting for so long. Congrats you're one! Have fun waiting!

[gangsta_red]

"The whole omg Sony is evil and stops games from coming to Xbox. Do you know how stupid you sound?! "

I don't know...since I never said that.

Wow, I love how you managed to type a lot and still said absolutely nothing.

But let's proceed anyways....maybe it hasn't occurred to you but Square has been going through a lot lately.

https://www.gamespot.com/ar...

They recently sold off their western studios, studios that made well known games like Tomb Raider and Deus Ex.

Let's also not forget they took a huge loss with two marvel games not being as successful as they had hope.

https://www.dualshockers.co...

Let's also not forget Outriders that didn't strike gold for Square Enix

https://www.techradar.com/n...

So after all those losses you truly believe they would limit their number one, cross over JRPG hit to one console? Even if they didn't sell as much on Xbox, they still sold, enough even to keep releasing titles and enough to release spin off games on the system also. Do you think they would pass up a possibility like that if they weren't getting an exclusive deal from Sony?

Keep in mind they weren't selling as much on Xbox 360 and Square still took Versus which was originally a PS exclusive, changed the name and released it on Xbox and has been since up until now.

So it's not hard to believe or come to a logical conclusion, follow me here, for Sony who has been knowingly paying for multiple third party games to be exclusive, who has been paying to keep games off GP to now also pay Square to make the latest FF and FF 7 Remake exclusive to PlayStation. You know, the same way Sony paid to make SFV exclusive, a point you conveniently missed after you said Sony can't block a game that isn't there's, lol.

"Only idiots stick with the waiting for so long."

I just so happen to be waiting for Wolverine, Spider-Man 2 and...and....ugh, I am such an idiot!!

[Chevalier]

"ugh, I am such an idiot!!"

Agreed!

But to your poor points in general. The 3rd party sales drop off on Xbox reported by Microsoft themselves by the way is ALL 3rd party games overall NOT just Square Enix.

With already low sales on Xbox for many publishers the point stands that Xbox would most likely have to pay quite a bit to offset losses from Playstation/Nintendo which for extremely minimal gains. Meaning it's not worth it for many publishers to alienate the fanbase for Xbox exclusivity.

Just look at Mages for example. Their games were exclusive to the Xbox 360 then when gen 8 came around the studio said they were no longer making ANY Xbox exclusives and going forward all their games would come to Playstation and Nintendo. Guess what happened?! They actually stopped releasing Xbox games and releases are all now on PS4 and Switch. Why? Because not enough Xbox customers bought their games.

Sony doesn't own Final Fantasy which you keep bringing up. At the end of the day if Square Enix is okay with Playstation exclusives then it's just because Xbox sales being so low don't outweigh the benefit of exclusivity. Final Fantasy 7 broke records for example and the sequel will as well. Name a single Square RPG that where Xbox outsold Playstation. You know why you can't? Because there are none.

Another point against your tirade. Remember Octopath Traveler part 1?

https://octopathtraveler2.s...

https://www.xbox.com/en-US/...

Explain why Square AFTER releasing part 1 ONLY on Xbox/Switch Consoles isn't releasing the sequel on Xbox, but, on Playstation and Nintendo consoles instead?! Want to bet Square didn't see any sales on Xbox and decided to not waste their time.

[gangsta_red]

You're repeating the same tired talking points with no shred of evidence.

So Xbox sales are so low that Square puts their spin off RPGs on Xbox but not their mainline, highly popular JRPG, the only JRPG that has western appeal. it has nothing to do with Sony buying exclusive rights, this is what your argument is? Even when Sony is currently on a third party exclusive rampage and has bought exclusivety for Silent Hill Remake, Forespoken and FF Remake?

"Sony doesn't own Final Fantasy which you keep bringing up."

Not once did I even say this, if you're going to try and have big boy conversations try to at least keep up and not make shit up. Sony doesn't have to own FF to make a deal with Square to make the game exclusive to their console, the same way they did SF V...you know that game that I also keep bringing up that you also keep ignoring because it kills your whole argument.

Yes, smaller games miss Xbox, but there's no articles wondering where is Octopath 2 because it's no where near as big as FF. So back to the point, emphasis on POINT, Square's biggest flagship title Final Fantasy was a multiplat game, along with other flagship titles from Japanese companies like Tales of from Namco, or Resident Evil from Capcom that always come to the Xbox. Because despite lower sales, it still sells.

I mean for f@#!* sake...

https://www.videogameschron...

Square even had to remove the PC tag and made no comment about "Coming to PC" because of the deal made with Sony....so Mr Finance, is that because PC sales are so low too? That Square won't even bring it to PC? Or is it the obvious answer that even a simple child like you should understand but can't, that Sony paid for it to be exclusive for PS5.

[Chevalier]

Facts.

https://www.gamedeveloper.c...

This is why it's easier to consider doing exclusives for Playstation and Nintendo. Xbox 3rd party sales drop. Plus their overall revenue went down another 13 percent. So those 3rd party sales will be even lower this year.

Not some garbage that you think might be true. That Microsoft/Xbox themselves confirming their sales for 3rd party games dropping.

Feel free to check Ubisoft, 2K, EA, Activision Blizzard and virtually every major publisher quarterly revenue showing Playstation absolutely dominate sales over Xbox too.

"Silent Hill Remake, Forespoken and FF Remake"

Okay which Silent Hill or Final Fantasy game EVER did Xbox sale come close to Playstation?! FF13 games Playstation doubled Xbox. FF15 80+ percent of sales were on Playstation.

As for SF V came when Capcom was almost up for sale and not doing well. Playstation paid the development cost.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/...

"According to Capcom, the game is a PlayStation 4 console-exclusive due to both Sony and Capcom having "the same vision for the growth potential in the fighting game space". "

"On June 12, 2015, Capcom further clarified that the game would not be released on any other platforms due to a development partnership between Sony Computer Entertainment and themselves"

[Orchard]

Meanwhile, back in the real world, 99% of third party games come to PS and Xbox.

Also, Sony have been reporting decreasing third party game sales since 2019.

I wonder what your excuse will be if they report that trend is continuing in their earnings call this week.

[Chevalier]

"Meanwhile, back in the real world, 99% of third party games come to PS and Xbox."

Nope not according to Microsoft/Xbox.

https://www.extremetech.com...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/...

Weird didn't you say you dealt with FACTS Orchard?!

Wait if 99% of the games are on both systems then why does PS5 have 547 games versus 387 on Series X/S?!

Oh look at that a bunch more games on Playstation than on Xbox. Weren't most games on both?! Wait is that 160 MORE games on Playstation?! FACTS.

So yeah. FACTS prove you wrong Orchard. You know how you ask for FACTS then can't offer any?! It's fine. I just proved you wrong!

[Orchard]

Lots of those games are tiny ones though or first party etc. The reality is, the majority of the 3rd party games that people care about, are multiplat, unless a platform holder locks it down. Heck, even GOTY 2022 is a cross-plat game.

So, name me all the big games that came to PS5 and not Xbox Series in 2022, which were the result of the developer deciding that "people don't buy games on Xbox'.

Obviously, you can leave out any PS Studios game + games where Sony has paid for exclusivity.

I'll wait.

[Orchard]

Checking in here - do we have a list yet? or maybe it doesn't exist.

[Youngindy21]

That's Square Enix's loss. There's so many games begging to be played, it doesn't make much sense to keep FF exclusive to one platform. Won't be long before Square becomes irrelevant in the gaming space.

[Soulsborne]

They got games like ..... uh... halo?
Xbox is a thing of the past. MS is all about that gamepass fodder.

[northpaws]

Honestly if their games sell well on XBox, you think they would just skip it for fun? It is a fact that not enough XBox gamers care about FF, it is not they choose to not releases games on XBox, but more like XBox gamers choose to not buy FF.

[HyperMoused]

Havnt played any since OG playstation Korean Boyband fantasy simulator is fine not being on xbox, im sure some people will miss it though.

[gold_drake]

its difficult.

Square unfortunately is among the greedy ones. i know they're a Business, but they are not shy when it comes to following the trail of money.

they will go where the money is, where their games sell the most.

and thats playstation and pc. for their big titles.

[MegaLogic]

I would say yes and that perfect !!! I want Final fantasy to be A Sony Exclusive and Elder Scrolls to be an Xbox exclusive , like the good old Sega V SNES days. It's a good thing , a healthy thing!

[forevercloud3000]

Sony is able to get preferential treatment from square for a fee very key reasons.
1. Sony owns stock in them again. Giving them a lot of pull.
2. Sony has typically had a great working relationship with them, only became rocky during ps360 era where they broke contracts with Sony over MS moneyhats and a falling out over their bread winner ffxi. This proved to have a negative effect on their brands. They r strongest together.
3. Final Fantasy XIV. SE biggest cash cow ever, it has a substantial base on playstation devices, making it even more vital that they maintain a good working relationship with Sony...else repeat the FFXI debacle they had when console models shifted. The game Square pitched the mmo to MS, MS did not want to funnel more money into Square bcuz what they needed was already done, weakening SE association with all things Playstation. What they didn't foresee is a complete reversal of efforts from Square to grow MS userbase, especially when Sony still throws them a few coins for exclusivity.
4. SE games sell dramatically less on MS hardware. Their fanbase almost strictly exists on Playstation and Nintendo. With Sony paying for timed exclusivity on the base it was already gonna sell most on....just makes economic sense.

[Chevalier]

Yep. Pretty much even at the height of Xbox sales with Xbox 360, FF13 Playstation sales doubled Xbox and FF15 80+ percent of sales were on Playstation. Just not worth the localization cost to put games on Xbox.

[BrainSyphoned]

Japanese games and gamers are nothing more than a yearly talking point for Phil. I rank it #2 behind waiting for the next E3.

[Knightofelemia]

What because one game isn't on Xbox that spells the end of the franchise on Xbox? FF7 remake probably has some sort of deal worked out between Sony and SquareEnix. If Final Fantasy was done on Xbox pretty sure Reunion and Strangers would have bypassed the Xbox platform and the older Final Fantasy titles would be pulled off the Xbox store.

[Flawlessmic]

for the big numbered releases it certainly looks and feels that way.

but honestly did FF ever actually properly arrive for MS, they had 2 main lines games ff13 and 15.

[Godmars290]

Haven't there been FF games on Xbox?

They also had a partnership with Square back in the 360/PS3 days. Given that seems to have soured, with none of those exclusives being received well, would think that might have to do with Xbox's apparent shut out.

They've also never had FF11 or FF14 despite multiple attempts.

[Kekewei]

Stop whining, considering the Elder Scroll and Fallout are all going to leave playstation, it's all fair now. MS play by their money, Sony is on their good 3rd party relations.

[MADGameR]

MS will have to pay Square Enix some MON-NAY if they want FF on X Box because it won't sell. Remember, X Box fans don't buy games unless its called Forza.

[Zeref]

Honestly I already accepted that Final Fantasy is not coming to Xbox anymore. And to be frank I probably won't miss it. I played FF15 only recently and I wasn't impressed at all.

If FF16 has a similar combat system where it feels like the game is playing itself they can keep it.

[wiz7191]

I’m glad I own both so I can enjoy every game that comes out ..